Air Reverb - Behind the Scenes with Spitfire Audio!
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
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It's the reverb plugin we thought we'd never see - the legendary acoustics of the Air Lyndhurst Hall captured by Spitfire Audio in a plugin. Join me for an exclusive behind the scenes look at the making of Air Reverb. But what is it like to use? I'll give you a full walkthrough and demo of the plugin in action. Can it recreate the magic of the space that recorded everything from Inception to How to Train Your Dragon? Join me to find out
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A video from Guy Michelmore makes my day. His enthusiasm is infectious 👍
I finally bought this reverb after a lot of hesitation and I am totally won over! Pure happiness for my wooden flute 🙂
Yes yes yes, I went and bought it. Amazing, absolutely amazing. A lot under the hood. I put it on my French horn track, and it brought it alive. Almost as if the player is playing it.
Thank you for sharing Guy and Spitfire Audio, great sounding reverb! Wonderful to shortly experincing Air studio!
Although I cannot evaluate this reverb plug-in yet, it was wonderful to be able to see the historical scene of IR sampling in this beautiful hall. It has become my favorite video.
Guy you are fantastic. Thank You
Thanks for this Guy!
How utterly, fascinatingly bizarre! Amazing.
That is so HEAVY DUTY!
Wow!😮
Amazing! Love seeing the BTS.
Excellent video, great interview! It was interesting listening the reverb used as a send... I imagined the way it was designed it was supposed to be used as an insert. Sounds lovely in any case!
When some people say "How much?!" for a plug-in, this is why. The amount of planning, time, effort and investment doesn't come cheap. Thanks Guy for the insight.
I did convolution of signals at uni, but I gotta admit: over-lapping sine-sweeps is a really clever timesaver - never would've thought of that!
Yes, the techniques in engineering used to build this, or any device or building, are actually a form of art. The science behind this is beautiful, as you already know.
Saludos desde Argentina
This reverb will find a home in many studios including my own. This will be a great tool for placing instruments and ensembles in Air. Especially useful for those samples recorded dry like many from the Vienna Symphonic Libraries. That being said I along with Anne-Kathrin Dern (we seem to be the only 2) have a concern about those libraries which have been recorded wet (with natural hall reverb) and this accounts for most sample libraries I have.With Air Reverb added you have two reverbs going at once and I hear (for lack of a better term) reverb artifacts. But with only Anne-Kathrin and me hearing this, the rest of you guys are fine. Still with Air I an put my dry samples in Air.
I was thinking of getting Berlin Studio Reverb plugin as it does a similar thing but for a different studio obviously, but now that has given me pause for thought ❤
sounds marvellous!
Intro price 280,-- (ends June '24) regular price 350,--
out of my budget, so for the time being I stick to "Auburn Panagement" which does a pretty good job with source and reverb positioning for less money.
I expect there to be occasional discount or bundle sales in the future.
Can you please take a look/review of EW Hollywood strings 2?? 😃
This is the first plug-in I've been sincerely excited for. I wish there was a free trial. Increddibly reluctant to spend that much money without being able to have a go.
Examples don't really do it justive.
The difference moving outside to inside is so dramatic. Sound engineering starts with the room. And philosophy folks, boundaries that extend the possibilities.
Just don’t forget about the tune.
I'm glad they did this, in case Air ever closes down.
BBC SO owner?
Very interesting video. Do you remember, Guy, when Air studio people said "we'll never sell an IR of out studio"? 😁
I would love to have a demo version of this plugin, just to know if so many convolutions IRs melt my CPU. Especialy when I've to load an instance per sound source/instrument if I want to be realistic.
Having musicians in the hall would change the reverb, wouldn’t it?
Great point. I wonder if they thought of that. Maybe they will add a feature for that.
flesh dampens, especially HF. I wouldn't bother modeling further than that, it'd be wank. I'm sure there's some raycasting solution for it but~
I guess if we can think of it right away, they most definitely have too; I’ll trust their expertise over mine ;)
Good and obvious point. I hope Spitifre had thought about compensing/mimicking that. At 350€ and without any demo version when I write today, it's the less to do, in my opinion.
@@FLH3official It's 279 Euros now.
When you said 16th August I WAS LIKE NO WAY I HAD AN EXAM TOMORROW 😭😭
I was gonna give this reverb a miss after splashing out on Cinematic Rooms Professional. But you're really selling this to me.
I wonder what CineSamples Brass libraries sound like through this.
I do love and adore Spitfire but slapping a bit of CineSamples Brass on something always sounds good.
I don't need another reverb, I don't need another reverb, I don't need anothe....
How much was it? :) Introductory Offer you say? :)
279 Euros instead of € 349.
Not at that price, lol. Won't be long before everyone else gets on the band wagon .
you need an option of the audience and musicians being in there for authentic sound, the reflections are much different without people. An empty hall sounds much different than a populated one especially one with a large reflective floor space.
Crash test dummies wearing cardigans
Can't wait to start bootcamp. I am on holiday at the end of July so hopefully I can get finished up for then. But I'm right in saying we have 6 months to deliver our final piece if we fall behind?
It sounds like they are opening a portal to another dimension, trying to channel Bach or something? Those pipes in the back were pretty impressive. I wonder if they effect the sound waves as well? I like the idea of plugging and placing any instrument in a VST library and placing them in the actual 3d enviroment of a studio. Be cool to see different studios in 3d, and place intsrument(s) in the studio where ever you desire. Great Vid thank you Guy.
Noises remind me of setting up Sonarworks calibration
It's all about impulse responses - so the process is pretty much the same (also with Amplitube Tonex IR cab loading).
crazy how this was in August last year...
There is something about Air Studios. It sounds beautiful out of the box. Things can get muddy quickly though if Reverb settings are set higher than they are supposed to. However, I find the sound of Air Studio to be 'smooth on the ear' for the lack of better word.
can you rout the mics out to separate channels? Like routing the surround mics to rear in your speaker set up
Guy, I really hope I have the same energy as you when my beard is the same color. I think if I keep making trance music that won't be an issue. Always really crazy to see inside huge spaces like this, as a producer in a little home studio we are always after that big open room sound!
Let me know when they do Abbey Road Studio One ;-)
Instant buy. Then we don't need any other reverb ever.
So fascinating. Yeah relaxing. I don't know why I sort of enjoy the sound of feedback well controlled outside of between music. And I just saw a story on the news today talking about how they're trying pink noise and finding that or they think they're fighting that it's helping people sleep. Well I certainly have sleep issues I don't think that's gonna help. But I could see a lot of people who are used to having an air conditioner or similar running and then not having that anymore. So many people are used to traffic noise etc. and then go to a place without it and it affects them. I myself have an issue with background noise having live with a computer running constantly that had a bad fan bearing for the last four years. I am deeply affected by constant noises. But there's so many interesting things within the sound realm that you would necessarily think of that end up being something in a way.
So, along with many other products from other companies, I have the BBCSO Core edition. I was wondering what mike they used to record that, since it only has one mike/reverb layout. I would assume the tree mike, I'm just not sure. If one of you could enlighten me, I'm seriously considering buying this plugin, and just wondered if the mike setup of my plugin would make any difference in the sound quality I get.
Also, I have a friend who thinks that this reverb takes a lot of RAM and UI power to function, especially with multiple instances of the reverb running in the DAW. Am I right in assuming this? If so, does anyone have any pointers to get a good mix without too much RAM power being used? Thanks a lot, and thank you so much for the video, Guy! I learned a lot!
I think there are two other reverbs that do something similar: MIR Pro from VSL and Inspirata Immersive from Inspired Acoustics.
Very nice! What about the KU100 binaural head though? Is there a binaural mic in the reverb ?
atoms version of air reverb will be released next for $750. 😀
I'm a bit puzzled by this. The sound of the Air Lyndhurst Hall is one of their main selling points for most of their libraries like Spitfire Symphony Orchestra, but it would be silly to add this particular reverb on top of itself so to speak. Guy's workaround of using mostly close mics has some drawbacks, the signal is drier but also especially for strings a bit harsher. So I assume their marketing target is people who own other libraries.There's a risk of cannibalising their own products, for instance why buy Spitfire Symphony Orchestra and not some other maybe cheaper library if I can get it to sound similar? If you could position sounds anywhere in the hall like MIR Pro 3D supposedly does it would be more interesting but probably a lot more expensive. I still hope they release a demo.
Excellent point.
You're thinking only of VI people but this is useful for real instruments recording too,smaller studios.
This verb will sell like cake.
Wondering why the directions are swapped back to front. From the conductor perspective back would be at the bottom. Weird.
You can have it either way up
EW Spaces II and Liquidsonics Cinematic Rooms, are good. I wonder that you might have to put an Air instance on various tracks when positioning each instrument in the room, particularly doing solo set ups. Good idea, but maybe CPU hungry. There's another plugin that you can adjust the ceiling height in the room already out.
Imagining how loud a processor would be if you have this running for all the instruments
Why not on a bus?
@@LeeGee bus is good but a FH doesn't sound the same as a trmpt. They are on different sides of the room and they interact with each other differently. That means 2 different presets which means higher processing
Is this the same AIR as in the MPC’s? (Sorry for the noob question)
It's cool Spitfire has done this. Since they created their own player I've not been a big fan of the verb available in there--sometimes it works nicely on some voices on others you can crank it all the way up and get mud more than verb. So this seems very promising--I wish Spitfire, as it's their first plug in, showed more of a demo as to how it is activated with the samples--in their walkthrough they are punching various buses and so forth, but it's all off camera. I don't know if the manual explains this clearly. Do you have to load various instances for each instrument you want to run through this verb? I'm guessing yes. How can or does that affect your speed in using it? Only time probably will really tell. I'm left to kind of assume it's easy to load and use, but I'm left to the dangerss of assumptions. As most companies venture away from Kontakt we're all left with having to learn/get inside the head space, of all the companies brains and how they deal with every aspect of instruments in sample land. I presume they designed this mostly to work with their own products well, so that's super promising. Just a matter of if I just need to buy it and then learn how to use it with digital performer without too much hassle. I admit I'm probably being too cautious.
Altiverb vs AIR Reverb - which one should I buy for small & medium orchestra use (no dialog)
Altiverb all the way. So many spaces to choose from and highly customisable as well.
I guess I have to get it and try it but I’m trying to understand how the individual sections get routed into it. Do you open up one reverb per section of the orchestra?
I'm afraid, yes. If you want to be realistic it's an instance by section/sound source at least. So, IR's+convolution= a lot of work for your CPU... And you can't try it as there's no demo version when I write this. I hope I'm wrong.
@@FLH3official should be fine. I'm used to having mulriples. I have about 12 instances of cinematic rooms surround in my template.
@@nicksayaCinematic Rooms , as far as I know, is not a convolution reverb(=with IRs), it's an algorithmic reverb, hence it's far less CPU greedy. It's a different game.
@@FLH3official Sadly you're not wrong - no demo, just an initial offer of 279 Euros.
MIR Pro 3D is more flexible imo. But I like the user interface.
Thanks for covering this, Guy! I like your happy take on these things.
As for me, I will refrain from all things Spitfire until they make amends for their sore mistreatment of Christian Henson. Plenty of other companies to work with!
Impressive just about a years worth of on the ground work (and who knows how much prep) and to release with what looks like such a good presets database to start with.
350 Euro for a reverb plugin... damn...
Best part: Where you pretended to not know what a convolution reverb actually does :D
the only one library to make sense to use with convolution reverb is STUDIO orchestra.
Interesting. I've only watched a few minutes. In this video the natural reverb sounds far too much - so is this really such a great venue?
I will come back to this.
i see just a way to use with dry libraries or real instruments.how would it works with all the spitfire libraires ?
I mean they have not many options to let them sound dry.only with close mics.then it sounds flat
16:55 It's a good thing you didn't say Mark in West Virginia because I don't.
Old, cool Guy Michelmore would say: "You don't need this" . "300 pownds... what?"
Also, old cool Guy, would say **cough Berlin Studio cough cough**
What? No penny whistle demo?
It’s like VSL MIR, but Spitfire MIR 😅 and quite a bit cheaper!
As far as room positioning, I'm curious if this is strictly a "this is how this room sounds when a musician is placed here" reverb plugin. How does it deal with depth? From what I understand, you can't really make it sound like a virtual orchestra is actually in the room if the wet signal is simply being added to the dry signal. When you position a dry signal in a room it seems like there are still eq and transient factors that need to come into play in order to convincingly place that signal IN the room.
I have the same opinion. There was never a case where I was satisfied with adding high quality reverb to drums, piano, orchestra, etc. VIs that already include room ambience are obviously more natural. Many VIs have been recorded at Lyndhurst Hall. Needless to say, the Spitfire orchestra and chorus, and the Steinway. same Piano VI by Simple sam Samples. BFD drum library, etc. I don't find much use for this new reverb effect. Of course, I haven't tried the demo, so I'd be happy if it significantly overturns conventional wisdom.
@@teco6964 Unfortunately there is no demo.
Another great video. Thank you 🙏🏻 Any reason you are not covering The Crow Hill Company libraries? You should. String murmurations, and in particular the small string gestures are sublime. Best I have heard.
Crow Hill and Spitfire are bitter rivals. It would be like having Pepsi content on a Coca Cola sponsored channel
It’s the 16th of August? That’s the last time I go to bed! Next time I attempt to sleep I betcha I wake up after Christmas Day and I can’t miss international presents day followed by food coma …. Nope no sleep for me
I wonder what Sir George Martin would have thought of this ??? He started Air as a better alternative to Abbey Rd - get all the orchestra on the bus 😀😀😀
Abbey Road Studio 1 is next 😅
This would be so awesome. But I think Abbey Road will never do that :D
Hmm, sounds as though the mix/wetness isn't quite right unless they record with an orchestra in the room.
*гай мухомор?*
Bizarre they didn't design it to include Atmos. Why would they not?
Spitfire is years away from Altiverb
Crazy is right. So are these guys "audio engineers?" or what?
They are having a larf!!
Seventh Heaven at $399; Cinematic Rooms $199….£299 for ONE convolution reverb is absolutely ridiculous !!
Money would be much better spent on some ThinkSpace short courses than ONE reverb me thinks…..
Why wouldn't you try this on spitfires' studio series? BBC doesn't benefit from another room, BBC needs a hall
Vienna MIR Pro 3D is much better (also Altiverb and East West Reverb too:)
Your camera person needs some tranquilisers, to stabilise those shakes.
As cool at this is, 300 for reverb is out of reach for 90% of the total buying market
I still do prefer east West reverb sorry
Sad to see such a great composer, sellout
299 british pounds did I hear that right?
No more Spitfire Audio after what they've done to Christian.
That was nasty business. No one should be canceled like that.
@@alontrigger
What happened to Christian?
I haven't seen him on the channel forever. He was fired?
100% Can t imagine having to leaving the sucesfull company he co founded and put so much work into it over such a thing
I think he’s doin ok for himself tho
Isn’t he still a co owner too?
No to Spitfire, they are horrible.
Yes to Crow Hill.