Why we May Not see World Records at the Paris Olympics

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024

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  • @annasdad8008
    @annasdad8008 Месяц назад +20

    We’ve already seen a world record in the mixed 4x400 relay and an Olympic record in the men’s 10,000 meters and the track events have barely started.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +6

      True. Doesn't look good for the prediction so far.

    • @BrockMolden
      @BrockMolden Месяц назад +3

      @@SportsTalkTech lol prediction looks great the mixed 4x400 just started.... and an olympic record isn't a WR

  • @C-R-A-C-K-E-R
    @C-R-A-C-K-E-R Месяц назад +27

    400 and 800 runners are going to have the best chance, because any kind of wind affects them negatively, but the warm conditions help them.

    • @btf_flotsam478
      @btf_flotsam478 Месяц назад +1

      The women haven't seen a record in those races since the 1980's.

  • @lucaskincanyon7393
    @lucaskincanyon7393 Месяц назад +33

    As someone who is a swimmer this can also be applied to the poor swim stadium at Paris right now.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +2

      Cool. Can you say more? I should have been on the poll stuff, too. I know some folks who work on wearables, etc, for the Olympic swimmers….

    • @henry-uf3cq
      @henry-uf3cq Месяц назад +1

      Exactly.

    • @lucaskincanyon7393
      @lucaskincanyon7393 Месяц назад +6

      @@SportsTalkTech Shallow pool, I heard the gutter system was dawgwater, The aquatic centre being kilometres away from Olympic Village and the fact olympic village has no AC so people are uncofmortable af. A bunch of shit has led to no WR and 2 OR.

    • @helixzenith
      @helixzenith Месяц назад +1

      @@lucaskincanyon7393Pan during Men’s 100m Free🗿

    • @Prororo
      @Prororo Месяц назад +4

      Pan zhanle is a beast

  • @78758nate
    @78758nate Месяц назад +12

    Someone forgot to mention this to the US mixed 4x400m relay team. They broke the world record by a full second and will probably set another world record in the final

  • @NelleBligh333
    @NelleBligh333 Месяц назад +28

    Nice to find a channel with some science to back up opinion instead of people just gassing on.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      🙏🏾

    • @_MicZ_
      @_MicZ_ Месяц назад +2

      While he has a more critical point of view and is outlining the complexity of running a WR, where did he actually use scientific data (or theories) ?
      If he was using actual scientific proof and/or data, there would/should have been links to sources and/or publications in the description ...

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +2

      We can add sources. You are right. We didn't put them and usually on our explainer videos we add them. We can fix that when we get time. I haven't seen any published data that highlight the statistical significance of track speed from the previous track in Tokyo. I can share papers from academics who work with Mondo, primarily in the United States, as well as some in Italy. Most of these academics don't focus on the speed of the track; discussions around track speed seem to come primarily from Mondo's marketing materials. You can find newspaper articles, including a recent one by the AP, but we can update those sources. r Regarding the physics, I am not sure what you want in energy or propulsion that standard concepts fronnwhat I gather. I'm not sure if you are critical of that, but typically, discussions about track speed involve energy return and reducing slippage. Those elements are pretty standard. If you need more information, we can look into it when we have more time. If you spot any errors, feel free to point them out. Also we could be wrong on this. Sports is guess work too.

    • @_MicZ_
      @_MicZ_ Месяц назад +2

      @@SportsTalkTech What I meant is that if you would use actual statistics from scientific studies, you would have listed your sources. In this video you mention 2 main deciding factors that can make a track fast: energy return and propulsion (slippage in your comment), but you never mention which study that determined that those factors are deciding and you don't provide any numbers comparing those factors for different kind of tracks.
      I'm not trying to say that your video/description should contain that information, it would certainly limit your audience more if you did. I enjoyed the video and I'm glad you are trying to temper expectations a bit 🙂. I'm just responding to a comment of someone that said "some science to back up opinion" and I just wanted to point out that you didn't use any proven scientific theories or quantifiable data in this video ...

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      I hear you. Selfishly, I would love to see a lot of records; either way, it will be great.

  • @C-R-A-C-K-E-R
    @C-R-A-C-K-E-R Месяц назад +8

    That opening in Hayward can only allow head winds, it's in front of the running direction. Only thing that it does is give head winds to distance runners.

  • @wilhelmw3455
    @wilhelmw3455 Месяц назад +5

    Mondo Duplantis breaks the world pole vault record at the Paris Olympics on the new mondo surface.

  • @lukamagicgod
    @lukamagicgod Месяц назад +3

    Duplantis just demolished previous record

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +1

      He improved his WR record by 1cm. Mondo has been doing this for the last few years (improving the records by 1cm). WR earlier this year, then again at the Olympics. Impressive for sure, demolished no. He demolished the Olympic record, not the WR.

  • @krunner000
    @krunner000 Месяц назад +3

    This aged well💀

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      You all say this, but it’s now clear you have not watched the video. If you did, you might come to a different assessment. Do that, and then let me know.

  • @courtneyvegan9448
    @courtneyvegan9448 Месяц назад +8

    Good info👊

  • @DG-iu8ck
    @DG-iu8ck Месяц назад +3

    Totally agree conditions have a bigger part to play in faster times than just the track alone

  • @nickinportland
    @nickinportland Месяц назад +2

    I’m sure it makes a big difference. I was a swimmer and you could totally tell, and measure on your times between good water and bad. Temp is a factor, salt vs chlorine etc. it sounds crazy but true.

  • @Gavin_56
    @Gavin_56 Месяц назад +6

    Perfectly said 🎉

  • @JappaKneads
    @JappaKneads Месяц назад +2

    _"Track hype killer this is."_ - Yoda.

  • @brendancroft5290
    @brendancroft5290 Месяц назад +3

    I feel like this is a weak message. Obviously athletes peaking at the right time is more important, but that’s a given at the Olympics. Most of this came across as just skepticism without any information to support or undermine the claim. Additionally, 3 world records in Tokyo is a decent number. There will always be generational athletes in one event or another, and I think it should be obvious that those are the kind of athletes required to break a world record regardless of the track conditions.

  • @user-te4jw8gk7h
    @user-te4jw8gk7h Месяц назад +18

    Lol,somehow on social media people are predictors

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +1

      Care to elaborate?

    • @user-te4jw8gk7h
      @user-te4jw8gk7h Месяц назад +7

      @@SportsTalkTech Sure,on social media people seem to know everything and the outcome of situation but what's the real motive?

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +7

      I hear you. Predicting times and records is part of the fun, but we never really know when they might happen. So many factors have to align perfectly for some records to be broken. I could be wrong, and we might see a lot of records fall in Paris, which would be great for the sport. I'm just skeptical. I guess we'll see starting this week.

    • @gastro_barticles516
      @gastro_barticles516 Месяц назад

      @@user-te4jw8gk7hpeople try and predict everything about literally everything. Not just Olympics

    • @mertholomy8414
      @mertholomy8414 Месяц назад

      Exactly 😂

  • @rjh6037
    @rjh6037 Месяц назад +3

    While todays athletes have become better overall, there is no doubt track technology and shoe technology has made times faster.

  • @ivanterrible7362
    @ivanterrible7362 Месяц назад +3

    The high humidity is going to keep times slower. Thick, water filled air cannot get out of the way. It's like running through a wet sponge.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      😬🙏🏾

    • @SurfcowSlim
      @SurfcowSlim Месяц назад

      The high humidity does not create more resistance. This is a myth and not based on science.

  • @PlMCL
    @PlMCL Месяц назад +2

    6.25 m.

  • @lukamagicgod
    @lukamagicgod Месяц назад +2

    Cole Hocker

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      Hicham El Guerrouj is still the world record holder from 1998 with a time of 3:26.00.

  • @casanjt8515
    @casanjt8515 Месяц назад +4

    Put athletes today on cinder tracks lol.. the difference between now n then is all technology(track,gear,peds)

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      I hear you, that would be a fascinating experiment to run. Many athletes might risk injury trying to navigate a cinder track. However, with advancements in sports science, modern athletes should still perform better. That said, technological improvements in track surfaces/ equipment certainly play a significant role in enhancing performance.

    • @samanimations2002
      @samanimations2002 Месяц назад +1

      Cinder tracks are injury prone though

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      @samanimations2002 they are, plus they leave track material on your skin. They would most certainly fail today's environmental standards.

  • @MrPaulpops2003
    @MrPaulpops2003 Месяц назад +1

    What sort of times ,would Bob Hayes have
    set on these tracks? ,faster than Bolt i suspect !

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +2

      That’s a good question. Bob was an exceptional talent, excelling in both American football and sprinting. It’s tough to compare athletes across different eras, but given his ability and what’s been said about him, he likely would have been running times comparable to the best. He didn’t have access to the modern technology and sports science we have today, but you’d have to think he’d be up there with some of the top performances we’ve seen.

  • @lukamagicgod
    @lukamagicgod Месяц назад +1

    1500m finals...

  • @ldambies
    @ldambies Месяц назад +2

    I wonder why they used this purple pigment in the formulation 🤔

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +1

      I have shorts vid that I thought covered it but we didn't. The IOC wanted something more creative, and the color, I believe, is in part a tribute to France and what the organizing committee wanted as the color of the games.
      ruclips.net/user/shorts-jhjrL2tSDo?si=Y485yomV-xbEvDNF

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      Great! I hope you are enjoying the games. Are you attending?

  • @shanindtheeed
    @shanindtheeed Месяц назад +3

    Interesting

  • @razyanai5755
    @razyanai5755 Месяц назад +5

    This aged well after the 100m swimming freestyle final

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад +3

      The video is about athletics. The track in particular.

    • @78758nate
      @78758nate Месяц назад

      It aged well after the prelims of the mixed 4x400m relay

  • @lMobiuscidl
    @lMobiuscidl Месяц назад +3

    They go mainly for medals, not Olympic Records.
    PS: Mondo sucks.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      I agree that medals are what athletes want. Could you explain why you dislike Mondo? Do you have a favorite track surface manufacturer?

  • @iEmbarcadero
    @iEmbarcadero Месяц назад +3

    Nobody breaking bolts record. Not this Olympics.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      I agree, especially after running rounds. If those records go, they are more likely to happen on the circuit.

    • @Magnus_Loov
      @Magnus_Loov Месяц назад +2

      Bolt has two records and his 200 m record could be challenged by Lyles though!

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      I want to go on record and say that all world records can eventually be approached and broken. There will be a ceiling at some point, but I don’t believe we’ve reached it yet, especially in the 200 meters. Even in the 100 meters, I think there’s still the potential for a low 9.5 or even below that. I believe Bolt could have possibly run a 9.5, maybe even a 9.49, and I think he could have gone sub-19 in the 200 meters if the conditions were right and the competition pushed him.
      That being said, I think his 200 meters record is the weaker of the two world records he set. Can athletes get close to it? Potentially. We’ve already seen Yohan Blake run a 19.26 in the past, and before we start thinking about breaking Bolt’s 200 meters record, people should consider what Blake did.
      As for whether these records might be broken, I find it hard to imagine them falling in Paris or any major championships where athletes are doubling or running multiple rounds. If Noah Lyles, for example, decided not to double, he might have a better shot at it. In my opinion, it’s more likely that the record could be broken on the Diamond League circuit or in a one-off race where an athlete is in peak condition and everything aligns perfectly. But I’m almost certain that any athlete who breaks these records will need ideal conditions, including something very close to the allowable tailwind limit. That’s my take on it.

    • @Magnus_Loov
      @Magnus_Loov Месяц назад

      @@SportsTalkTech Michael Johnson was able to double in 200 and 400 and still break world records during world championships/Olympics.
      I mean the last couple of 200 m world records has been Johnsons and Bolts. Both did it in two Olympics and one world championships.
      The thing is that all the athletes have prepared and sharpened their form extra just for theses events. All the best are there too, unlike in some meetings.
      In addition to that, nowadays the top athletes don't have to run the first round. There are only three races including the final!

  • @InfinityCuberRS3M
    @InfinityCuberRS3M Месяц назад +2

    THE TRACK IS PURPLEEEEEEEEE

  • @klopsjoker3928
    @klopsjoker3928 Месяц назад +2

    I know it says may not but it really aged poorly

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      I hear you, but if you follow what I am saying in the video, the records for Sydney and Mondo fall in line with the argument. The mixed relay is also expected. If you watch the video until the end, I would love to hear your full take.

    • @klopsjoker3928
      @klopsjoker3928 Месяц назад

      It's really contradicting then

  • @ligidobastian9245
    @ligidobastian9245 Месяц назад +1

    Lyles ain't breaking no dam world record in his lifetime. He's a bonafide hype job

  • @azerarrete242
    @azerarrete242 Месяц назад +1

    DE MOINS EN MOINS DE RECORDS ,SE SERA DESORMAIS LA REGLE ,LA CAUSE EST TRES SIMPLE : LES CONTROLES ANTI DOPAGE DE PLUS EN PLUS POINTUS.....

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      Merci pour votre contribution à la discussion, et je suis d'accord. Cependant, je reste préoccupé par le fait que les protocoles anti-dopage ne sont toujours pas infaillibles, même s'ils s'améliorent.

  • @colmhauser9532
    @colmhauser9532 Месяц назад +2

    Paris has an overwhelmind and unpleasant stench that seems to seep into every corner. It's really bad in warm weather. I can never be sure if it comes from the infrastructure or from the French people themselves.

    • @blazer9547
      @blazer9547 Месяц назад +1

      Imagine when it happens in India

  • @mikerotcherson
    @mikerotcherson Месяц назад +1

    Well this aged like milk.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      You think, explain. How many track world records have there been? The mixed 4x4 relay is a young event, so that's expected. Mondo breaking the Pole Vault WR is less about the track and more about him being a generational talent, which I also discuss in the video.

    • @mikerotcherson
      @mikerotcherson Месяц назад +2

      @@SportsTalkTech Sure I'll explain it for you...
      1. Title says "World Records at the Paris Olympics"...not "exclusively track & field records that I personally accept as valid."
      2. Go back through track & field records set at the Olympics for the last quarter-century and there's virtually no difference in the amount (and type..i.e. type of events, and WR vs. OR) between this year and the last 6 Olympics (maybe even more, I just didn't bother to look back any further.)

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      I hear you. The video, though, is about the track, despite the title not being exactly specific ( appeal to a few more eyes.) Let me know what you think if you watched it.

    • @mikerotcherson
      @mikerotcherson Месяц назад

      @@SportsTalkTech What I think is my point still stands. Even if we disregard your title as shameless clickbait, we're still seeing no difference between the amount and type of ORs and WRs set at this Olympics versus those in the past...
      I'm not even following that closely, but I know of at least one more WR set today in W-400m hurdles. Feel free to come up with yet another excuse as to why that one doesn't count either, I think it's fair to say your prediction has come to be proven false.

    • @SportsTalkTech
      @SportsTalkTech  Месяц назад

      Yeah, feel free to say what you want about the title being clickbait-that doesn’t bother me. Honestly, I don't spend much time deciding the title or thumbnail for the channel. What I'm saying-and I'm not sure if there's a misunderstanding or disagreement here-is that Mondo, the company that designed the track, hyped it up as the fastest track in the world, claiming we should expect tons of world records. There are newspaper articles on this. Also, they said the same thing for the Tokyo Olympics.
      Every year, there's marketing hype about the speed of the track, though probably less so from the actual track designers. When you look at the academic papers they publish, they don't focus much on how fast the track can make athletes go. They might be right about the traction control on this Paris track being better than before.
      However, despite the hype, we haven't seen tons of world records in Paris. Sure, there have been some, like the mixed relay, Sydney McLaughlin's 400m hurdles, and Mondo Duplantis in the pole vault, but that's it. If Mondo was hyping the track, how many more world records are we expecting in Paris compared to Tokyo? They never gave a specific number but implied we should see a lot.
      If we end up with just a couple more records than Tokyo, it doesn't really prove the track is faster, and you can attribute it to the speed of the track. Breaking records takes more than just a fast track-there are other significant conditions, especially for sprint records. Most of the sprint records we're seeing now aren't even close to the records. So, sure, you might not like the title, but my point is that Mondo expected tons of world records, and that's just not happening. Even if we get one more record than Tokyo, it's not that impressive, and it can't solely be attributed to the track. That's the point I am making. Hey sorry you wasted your time watching the video.