@@SportsTalkTech Shallow pool, I heard the gutter system was dawgwater, The aquatic centre being kilometres away from Olympic Village and the fact olympic village has no AC so people are uncofmortable af. A bunch of shit has led to no WR and 2 OR.
Someone forgot to mention this to the US mixed 4x400m relay team. They broke the world record by a full second and will probably set another world record in the final
While he has a more critical point of view and is outlining the complexity of running a WR, where did he actually use scientific data (or theories) ? If he was using actual scientific proof and/or data, there would/should have been links to sources and/or publications in the description ...
We can add sources. You are right. We didn't put them and usually on our explainer videos we add them. We can fix that when we get time. I haven't seen any published data that highlight the statistical significance of track speed from the previous track in Tokyo. I can share papers from academics who work with Mondo, primarily in the United States, as well as some in Italy. Most of these academics don't focus on the speed of the track; discussions around track speed seem to come primarily from Mondo's marketing materials. You can find newspaper articles, including a recent one by the AP, but we can update those sources. r Regarding the physics, I am not sure what you want in energy or propulsion that standard concepts fronnwhat I gather. I'm not sure if you are critical of that, but typically, discussions about track speed involve energy return and reducing slippage. Those elements are pretty standard. If you need more information, we can look into it when we have more time. If you spot any errors, feel free to point them out. Also we could be wrong on this. Sports is guess work too.
@@SportsTalkTech What I meant is that if you would use actual statistics from scientific studies, you would have listed your sources. In this video you mention 2 main deciding factors that can make a track fast: energy return and propulsion (slippage in your comment), but you never mention which study that determined that those factors are deciding and you don't provide any numbers comparing those factors for different kind of tracks. I'm not trying to say that your video/description should contain that information, it would certainly limit your audience more if you did. I enjoyed the video and I'm glad you are trying to temper expectations a bit 🙂. I'm just responding to a comment of someone that said "some science to back up opinion" and I just wanted to point out that you didn't use any proven scientific theories or quantifiable data in this video ...
That opening in Hayward can only allow head winds, it's in front of the running direction. Only thing that it does is give head winds to distance runners.
He improved his WR record by 1cm. Mondo has been doing this for the last few years (improving the records by 1cm). WR earlier this year, then again at the Olympics. Impressive for sure, demolished no. He demolished the Olympic record, not the WR.
You all say this, but it’s now clear you have not watched the video. If you did, you might come to a different assessment. Do that, and then let me know.
I’m sure it makes a big difference. I was a swimmer and you could totally tell, and measure on your times between good water and bad. Temp is a factor, salt vs chlorine etc. it sounds crazy but true.
I feel like this is a weak message. Obviously athletes peaking at the right time is more important, but that’s a given at the Olympics. Most of this came across as just skepticism without any information to support or undermine the claim. Additionally, 3 world records in Tokyo is a decent number. There will always be generational athletes in one event or another, and I think it should be obvious that those are the kind of athletes required to break a world record regardless of the track conditions.
I hear you. Predicting times and records is part of the fun, but we never really know when they might happen. So many factors have to align perfectly for some records to be broken. I could be wrong, and we might see a lot of records fall in Paris, which would be great for the sport. I'm just skeptical. I guess we'll see starting this week.
I hear you, that would be a fascinating experiment to run. Many athletes might risk injury trying to navigate a cinder track. However, with advancements in sports science, modern athletes should still perform better. That said, technological improvements in track surfaces/ equipment certainly play a significant role in enhancing performance.
That’s a good question. Bob was an exceptional talent, excelling in both American football and sprinting. It’s tough to compare athletes across different eras, but given his ability and what’s been said about him, he likely would have been running times comparable to the best. He didn’t have access to the modern technology and sports science we have today, but you’d have to think he’d be up there with some of the top performances we’ve seen.
I have shorts vid that I thought covered it but we didn't. The IOC wanted something more creative, and the color, I believe, is in part a tribute to France and what the organizing committee wanted as the color of the games. ruclips.net/user/shorts-jhjrL2tSDo?si=Y485yomV-xbEvDNF
I want to go on record and say that all world records can eventually be approached and broken. There will be a ceiling at some point, but I don’t believe we’ve reached it yet, especially in the 200 meters. Even in the 100 meters, I think there’s still the potential for a low 9.5 or even below that. I believe Bolt could have possibly run a 9.5, maybe even a 9.49, and I think he could have gone sub-19 in the 200 meters if the conditions were right and the competition pushed him. That being said, I think his 200 meters record is the weaker of the two world records he set. Can athletes get close to it? Potentially. We’ve already seen Yohan Blake run a 19.26 in the past, and before we start thinking about breaking Bolt’s 200 meters record, people should consider what Blake did. As for whether these records might be broken, I find it hard to imagine them falling in Paris or any major championships where athletes are doubling or running multiple rounds. If Noah Lyles, for example, decided not to double, he might have a better shot at it. In my opinion, it’s more likely that the record could be broken on the Diamond League circuit or in a one-off race where an athlete is in peak condition and everything aligns perfectly. But I’m almost certain that any athlete who breaks these records will need ideal conditions, including something very close to the allowable tailwind limit. That’s my take on it.
@@SportsTalkTech Michael Johnson was able to double in 200 and 400 and still break world records during world championships/Olympics. I mean the last couple of 200 m world records has been Johnsons and Bolts. Both did it in two Olympics and one world championships. The thing is that all the athletes have prepared and sharpened their form extra just for theses events. All the best are there too, unlike in some meetings. In addition to that, nowadays the top athletes don't have to run the first round. There are only three races including the final!
I hear you, but if you follow what I am saying in the video, the records for Sydney and Mondo fall in line with the argument. The mixed relay is also expected. If you watch the video until the end, I would love to hear your full take.
Merci pour votre contribution à la discussion, et je suis d'accord. Cependant, je reste préoccupé par le fait que les protocoles anti-dopage ne sont toujours pas infaillibles, même s'ils s'améliorent.
Paris has an overwhelmind and unpleasant stench that seems to seep into every corner. It's really bad in warm weather. I can never be sure if it comes from the infrastructure or from the French people themselves.
You think, explain. How many track world records have there been? The mixed 4x4 relay is a young event, so that's expected. Mondo breaking the Pole Vault WR is less about the track and more about him being a generational talent, which I also discuss in the video.
@@SportsTalkTech Sure I'll explain it for you... 1. Title says "World Records at the Paris Olympics"...not "exclusively track & field records that I personally accept as valid." 2. Go back through track & field records set at the Olympics for the last quarter-century and there's virtually no difference in the amount (and type..i.e. type of events, and WR vs. OR) between this year and the last 6 Olympics (maybe even more, I just didn't bother to look back any further.)
I hear you. The video, though, is about the track, despite the title not being exactly specific ( appeal to a few more eyes.) Let me know what you think if you watched it.
@@SportsTalkTech What I think is my point still stands. Even if we disregard your title as shameless clickbait, we're still seeing no difference between the amount and type of ORs and WRs set at this Olympics versus those in the past... I'm not even following that closely, but I know of at least one more WR set today in W-400m hurdles. Feel free to come up with yet another excuse as to why that one doesn't count either, I think it's fair to say your prediction has come to be proven false.
Yeah, feel free to say what you want about the title being clickbait-that doesn’t bother me. Honestly, I don't spend much time deciding the title or thumbnail for the channel. What I'm saying-and I'm not sure if there's a misunderstanding or disagreement here-is that Mondo, the company that designed the track, hyped it up as the fastest track in the world, claiming we should expect tons of world records. There are newspaper articles on this. Also, they said the same thing for the Tokyo Olympics. Every year, there's marketing hype about the speed of the track, though probably less so from the actual track designers. When you look at the academic papers they publish, they don't focus much on how fast the track can make athletes go. They might be right about the traction control on this Paris track being better than before. However, despite the hype, we haven't seen tons of world records in Paris. Sure, there have been some, like the mixed relay, Sydney McLaughlin's 400m hurdles, and Mondo Duplantis in the pole vault, but that's it. If Mondo was hyping the track, how many more world records are we expecting in Paris compared to Tokyo? They never gave a specific number but implied we should see a lot. If we end up with just a couple more records than Tokyo, it doesn't really prove the track is faster, and you can attribute it to the speed of the track. Breaking records takes more than just a fast track-there are other significant conditions, especially for sprint records. Most of the sprint records we're seeing now aren't even close to the records. So, sure, you might not like the title, but my point is that Mondo expected tons of world records, and that's just not happening. Even if we get one more record than Tokyo, it's not that impressive, and it can't solely be attributed to the track. That's the point I am making. Hey sorry you wasted your time watching the video.
We’ve already seen a world record in the mixed 4x400 relay and an Olympic record in the men’s 10,000 meters and the track events have barely started.
True. Doesn't look good for the prediction so far.
@@SportsTalkTech lol prediction looks great the mixed 4x400 just started.... and an olympic record isn't a WR
400 and 800 runners are going to have the best chance, because any kind of wind affects them negatively, but the warm conditions help them.
The women haven't seen a record in those races since the 1980's.
As someone who is a swimmer this can also be applied to the poor swim stadium at Paris right now.
Cool. Can you say more? I should have been on the poll stuff, too. I know some folks who work on wearables, etc, for the Olympic swimmers….
Exactly.
@@SportsTalkTech Shallow pool, I heard the gutter system was dawgwater, The aquatic centre being kilometres away from Olympic Village and the fact olympic village has no AC so people are uncofmortable af. A bunch of shit has led to no WR and 2 OR.
@@lucaskincanyon7393Pan during Men’s 100m Free🗿
Pan zhanle is a beast
Someone forgot to mention this to the US mixed 4x400m relay team. They broke the world record by a full second and will probably set another world record in the final
For sure!
They actually lost to Femke bol
@@jazzymars30 they went too fast in the previous round
@@FunTimeWithLeo yes
Nice to find a channel with some science to back up opinion instead of people just gassing on.
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While he has a more critical point of view and is outlining the complexity of running a WR, where did he actually use scientific data (or theories) ?
If he was using actual scientific proof and/or data, there would/should have been links to sources and/or publications in the description ...
We can add sources. You are right. We didn't put them and usually on our explainer videos we add them. We can fix that when we get time. I haven't seen any published data that highlight the statistical significance of track speed from the previous track in Tokyo. I can share papers from academics who work with Mondo, primarily in the United States, as well as some in Italy. Most of these academics don't focus on the speed of the track; discussions around track speed seem to come primarily from Mondo's marketing materials. You can find newspaper articles, including a recent one by the AP, but we can update those sources. r Regarding the physics, I am not sure what you want in energy or propulsion that standard concepts fronnwhat I gather. I'm not sure if you are critical of that, but typically, discussions about track speed involve energy return and reducing slippage. Those elements are pretty standard. If you need more information, we can look into it when we have more time. If you spot any errors, feel free to point them out. Also we could be wrong on this. Sports is guess work too.
@@SportsTalkTech What I meant is that if you would use actual statistics from scientific studies, you would have listed your sources. In this video you mention 2 main deciding factors that can make a track fast: energy return and propulsion (slippage in your comment), but you never mention which study that determined that those factors are deciding and you don't provide any numbers comparing those factors for different kind of tracks.
I'm not trying to say that your video/description should contain that information, it would certainly limit your audience more if you did. I enjoyed the video and I'm glad you are trying to temper expectations a bit 🙂. I'm just responding to a comment of someone that said "some science to back up opinion" and I just wanted to point out that you didn't use any proven scientific theories or quantifiable data in this video ...
I hear you. Selfishly, I would love to see a lot of records; either way, it will be great.
That opening in Hayward can only allow head winds, it's in front of the running direction. Only thing that it does is give head winds to distance runners.
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Mondo Duplantis breaks the world pole vault record at the Paris Olympics on the new mondo surface.
Only fitting!!!
Duplantis just demolished previous record
He improved his WR record by 1cm. Mondo has been doing this for the last few years (improving the records by 1cm). WR earlier this year, then again at the Olympics. Impressive for sure, demolished no. He demolished the Olympic record, not the WR.
This aged well💀
You all say this, but it’s now clear you have not watched the video. If you did, you might come to a different assessment. Do that, and then let me know.
Good info👊
Glad you think so!
Totally agree conditions have a bigger part to play in faster times than just the track alone
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I’m sure it makes a big difference. I was a swimmer and you could totally tell, and measure on your times between good water and bad. Temp is a factor, salt vs chlorine etc. it sounds crazy but true.
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Perfectly said 🎉
Thanks!!
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_"Track hype killer this is."_ - Yoda.
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I feel like this is a weak message. Obviously athletes peaking at the right time is more important, but that’s a given at the Olympics. Most of this came across as just skepticism without any information to support or undermine the claim. Additionally, 3 world records in Tokyo is a decent number. There will always be generational athletes in one event or another, and I think it should be obvious that those are the kind of athletes required to break a world record regardless of the track conditions.
Thanks for sharing.
Lol,somehow on social media people are predictors
Care to elaborate?
@@SportsTalkTech Sure,on social media people seem to know everything and the outcome of situation but what's the real motive?
I hear you. Predicting times and records is part of the fun, but we never really know when they might happen. So many factors have to align perfectly for some records to be broken. I could be wrong, and we might see a lot of records fall in Paris, which would be great for the sport. I'm just skeptical. I guess we'll see starting this week.
@@user-te4jw8gk7hpeople try and predict everything about literally everything. Not just Olympics
Exactly 😂
While todays athletes have become better overall, there is no doubt track technology and shoe technology has made times faster.
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The high humidity is going to keep times slower. Thick, water filled air cannot get out of the way. It's like running through a wet sponge.
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The high humidity does not create more resistance. This is a myth and not based on science.
6.25 m.
Yeah! Massive from Mondo.
Cole Hocker
Hicham El Guerrouj is still the world record holder from 1998 with a time of 3:26.00.
Put athletes today on cinder tracks lol.. the difference between now n then is all technology(track,gear,peds)
I hear you, that would be a fascinating experiment to run. Many athletes might risk injury trying to navigate a cinder track. However, with advancements in sports science, modern athletes should still perform better. That said, technological improvements in track surfaces/ equipment certainly play a significant role in enhancing performance.
Cinder tracks are injury prone though
@samanimations2002 they are, plus they leave track material on your skin. They would most certainly fail today's environmental standards.
What sort of times ,would Bob Hayes have
set on these tracks? ,faster than Bolt i suspect !
That’s a good question. Bob was an exceptional talent, excelling in both American football and sprinting. It’s tough to compare athletes across different eras, but given his ability and what’s been said about him, he likely would have been running times comparable to the best. He didn’t have access to the modern technology and sports science we have today, but you’d have to think he’d be up there with some of the top performances we’ve seen.
1500m finals...
I wonder why they used this purple pigment in the formulation 🤔
I have shorts vid that I thought covered it but we didn't. The IOC wanted something more creative, and the color, I believe, is in part a tribute to France and what the organizing committee wanted as the color of the games.
ruclips.net/user/shorts-jhjrL2tSDo?si=Y485yomV-xbEvDNF
Great! I hope you are enjoying the games. Are you attending?
Interesting
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This aged well after the 100m swimming freestyle final
The video is about athletics. The track in particular.
It aged well after the prelims of the mixed 4x400m relay
They go mainly for medals, not Olympic Records.
PS: Mondo sucks.
I agree that medals are what athletes want. Could you explain why you dislike Mondo? Do you have a favorite track surface manufacturer?
Nobody breaking bolts record. Not this Olympics.
I agree, especially after running rounds. If those records go, they are more likely to happen on the circuit.
Bolt has two records and his 200 m record could be challenged by Lyles though!
I want to go on record and say that all world records can eventually be approached and broken. There will be a ceiling at some point, but I don’t believe we’ve reached it yet, especially in the 200 meters. Even in the 100 meters, I think there’s still the potential for a low 9.5 or even below that. I believe Bolt could have possibly run a 9.5, maybe even a 9.49, and I think he could have gone sub-19 in the 200 meters if the conditions were right and the competition pushed him.
That being said, I think his 200 meters record is the weaker of the two world records he set. Can athletes get close to it? Potentially. We’ve already seen Yohan Blake run a 19.26 in the past, and before we start thinking about breaking Bolt’s 200 meters record, people should consider what Blake did.
As for whether these records might be broken, I find it hard to imagine them falling in Paris or any major championships where athletes are doubling or running multiple rounds. If Noah Lyles, for example, decided not to double, he might have a better shot at it. In my opinion, it’s more likely that the record could be broken on the Diamond League circuit or in a one-off race where an athlete is in peak condition and everything aligns perfectly. But I’m almost certain that any athlete who breaks these records will need ideal conditions, including something very close to the allowable tailwind limit. That’s my take on it.
@@SportsTalkTech Michael Johnson was able to double in 200 and 400 and still break world records during world championships/Olympics.
I mean the last couple of 200 m world records has been Johnsons and Bolts. Both did it in two Olympics and one world championships.
The thing is that all the athletes have prepared and sharpened their form extra just for theses events. All the best are there too, unlike in some meetings.
In addition to that, nowadays the top athletes don't have to run the first round. There are only three races including the final!
THE TRACK IS PURPLEEEEEEEEE
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I know it says may not but it really aged poorly
I hear you, but if you follow what I am saying in the video, the records for Sydney and Mondo fall in line with the argument. The mixed relay is also expected. If you watch the video until the end, I would love to hear your full take.
It's really contradicting then
Lyles ain't breaking no dam world record in his lifetime. He's a bonafide hype job
DE MOINS EN MOINS DE RECORDS ,SE SERA DESORMAIS LA REGLE ,LA CAUSE EST TRES SIMPLE : LES CONTROLES ANTI DOPAGE DE PLUS EN PLUS POINTUS.....
Merci pour votre contribution à la discussion, et je suis d'accord. Cependant, je reste préoccupé par le fait que les protocoles anti-dopage ne sont toujours pas infaillibles, même s'ils s'améliorent.
Paris has an overwhelmind and unpleasant stench that seems to seep into every corner. It's really bad in warm weather. I can never be sure if it comes from the infrastructure or from the French people themselves.
Imagine when it happens in India
Well this aged like milk.
You think, explain. How many track world records have there been? The mixed 4x4 relay is a young event, so that's expected. Mondo breaking the Pole Vault WR is less about the track and more about him being a generational talent, which I also discuss in the video.
@@SportsTalkTech Sure I'll explain it for you...
1. Title says "World Records at the Paris Olympics"...not "exclusively track & field records that I personally accept as valid."
2. Go back through track & field records set at the Olympics for the last quarter-century and there's virtually no difference in the amount (and type..i.e. type of events, and WR vs. OR) between this year and the last 6 Olympics (maybe even more, I just didn't bother to look back any further.)
I hear you. The video, though, is about the track, despite the title not being exactly specific ( appeal to a few more eyes.) Let me know what you think if you watched it.
@@SportsTalkTech What I think is my point still stands. Even if we disregard your title as shameless clickbait, we're still seeing no difference between the amount and type of ORs and WRs set at this Olympics versus those in the past...
I'm not even following that closely, but I know of at least one more WR set today in W-400m hurdles. Feel free to come up with yet another excuse as to why that one doesn't count either, I think it's fair to say your prediction has come to be proven false.
Yeah, feel free to say what you want about the title being clickbait-that doesn’t bother me. Honestly, I don't spend much time deciding the title or thumbnail for the channel. What I'm saying-and I'm not sure if there's a misunderstanding or disagreement here-is that Mondo, the company that designed the track, hyped it up as the fastest track in the world, claiming we should expect tons of world records. There are newspaper articles on this. Also, they said the same thing for the Tokyo Olympics.
Every year, there's marketing hype about the speed of the track, though probably less so from the actual track designers. When you look at the academic papers they publish, they don't focus much on how fast the track can make athletes go. They might be right about the traction control on this Paris track being better than before.
However, despite the hype, we haven't seen tons of world records in Paris. Sure, there have been some, like the mixed relay, Sydney McLaughlin's 400m hurdles, and Mondo Duplantis in the pole vault, but that's it. If Mondo was hyping the track, how many more world records are we expecting in Paris compared to Tokyo? They never gave a specific number but implied we should see a lot.
If we end up with just a couple more records than Tokyo, it doesn't really prove the track is faster, and you can attribute it to the speed of the track. Breaking records takes more than just a fast track-there are other significant conditions, especially for sprint records. Most of the sprint records we're seeing now aren't even close to the records. So, sure, you might not like the title, but my point is that Mondo expected tons of world records, and that's just not happening. Even if we get one more record than Tokyo, it's not that impressive, and it can't solely be attributed to the track. That's the point I am making. Hey sorry you wasted your time watching the video.