had 2 seperate pits installed after superstorm Sandy with Zoeller pumps and check valves at the 2 lowest corners of the basement. so far so good! they are almost 10 years old now.i know replacement should be at 7 years max but i check on them all the time. when one finally dies i will just replace the bad one because the interior piping is looped so if one pump dies the other will pick up. i also keep a floor pump around as last resort i figure. i do flush out the pit once a year with hot water and dish soap and if real bad vaccuum the crap out. one issue ive had with both pumps is the plastic pit box overtime bowed andbellied inward in the center of the box just enough to wedge the float stuck in the on position. the metal guard didnt help the float because the bellied part curved just enough under it causing the float to get stuck on the side wall. i ended up wedging things so it wouldnt get stuck but due to vibrations it goes back to the same spot so im gonna cut the pipe add in some angle and space it better from the wall. thanks for your video!
Great work Steve get er out and install that liberty..zoeller pumps have had a problem with the float switch for the past 6 to 8 months now a lot of recalls on pumps installed
That rubber stuff that you are trying to get off the pipe is that As seen on TV flex tape. That shit is a nightmare to get off. It was put on a seam on my shower, big mistake, needed to get goop remover spray (unsure of brand) that dissolves adhesive to get it off. I almost was going to just burn it off and I would have if it was on something outside and wouldn't burn.
@@papiboom6969As cheap quality as the brand new ones are. It would probably outlast anything I would buy. Plus the biggest thing that fails on them is the float switch, and it has already been replaced.
I've had pretty good luck with Barracuda pumps, the one I'm using is a 1/2 hp pedestal sump pump, it's the old model with the cast iron base, the new ones have thermoplastic bases that crack and break if you look at them wrong, bought it for $40 N.O.S in the original packaging, one of the last good cheap pedestal pumps due to all the new models having plastic bases and even cheaper motors
I can’t believe the amount of water these sump pumps spit out. A buddy of mine needed one. His place gets about 6 inches of water if the sump pump decides to quit . They can always tell when it quits. The hot water quits because 6 inches of water puts the water line above the hot water heater burner. No hot water? Sump pump quit working. Nice work Steve
My Zoeller sump pump failed on December 16th and we came down to find 2 inched of water on the floor. the water even got to a brand new 20 inch Husqvarna chain saw which was a Christmas gift from my mom to my step father. luckily when I removed it from the box it was un touched. I put back in a Zoeller as the one we had lasted us 15 years. I did film it and might upload it if I like the video I put together.
@@throttlebottle5906 your definitely right I suggested a water powered one. I plan to revisit it and install the backup and recipe it outside instead of going into our sewer. I'm only 17 and this is my parents house so I will have to get it past them first before I can change anything.
Running any pump to failure is a bad idea, unless you don't mind a flooded basement. Periodic change out and routine visual inspections are necessary for any system. Having a replacement on hand and failure alarms are also a good idea.
No pipe 1/8 relief hole. No wonder your pumps are failing on you. Zoeller specs one and their training videos say the one they have on their low housing is prone to clogging from debris as it's low in the sump. Also, newer pumps have a lower on/off travel of 4" vs 6-7" of 25 years ago. This causes them to cycle too often.
I need help sump is shorted out I took it out of it’s hole and took it apart and it still doesn’t turn on. When the float goes in the up position it shorts out I need help!!
EVERYBODY READ: Liberty pump switches will fail too. I have seen several of them fail on top of my own basement flooded. The pumps themselves are great quality. Same with zoeller, so if you pick on zoeller, you must also pick on liberty. A good solution is to buy a piggyback FLOAT switch and install it with a MANUAL sump pump. A "Levelguard" electronic switch is another option.
Just curious, if the pump still works, why not set the float to the top, so that it WILL stay ON, and use a separate float switch that you plug the pump into? Is this a good idea? Is this a bad idea and WHY?
The very best sump pump I’ve come across and highly recommend is a Ion ‘technologies Storm Pro BA-33i. It’s a 1/3hp high energy efficient motor with a no moving parts digital pump switch. If you want a very quiet powerful and reliable long lasting sump pump that has a energy efficient motor that doesn’t have a high amperage draw that dims all your lights every time it discharges look no further. Combined with a quiet design check valve the pump discharging makes virtually little sound and is perfect for those with finished basement living quarters, home theaters or bothersome noises on main floor coming from a traditional design sump pump.
@@DRWebster93 This pump switch on the Ion BA-33i uses digital water sensors inside the mechanism not a diaphragm to activate the sump pump. Very similar to the LevelGuard product and a good comparison. FYI, Emecole has a RUclips video on this Ion switch.
I use an Ion Storm Pro BA33 with a modified longer rod on a Rhombus Vertical Master mechanical switch. Storm Pros use half the energy of a Zoeller. During rainy season my electric bill was 100 dollars higher per month using a Zoeller. No noticeable difference now using Ion. Rhombus claims their mechanical switch has a 250,000 cycle life. Zoeller says 100,000 cycles on their standard switch. My pump runs 10,000 cycles per year.
The purpose of the footer drains is to depress the water table around the house/footers. Think about it, if you perfectly sealed the wall/footer/floor with no water table depression, you have created a concrete boat out of your house!
Zollers engineers cheeped out when they specced the micro switches, the contacts burn shut , too much amperage. They deny that they have a problem. I disable the internal switch in the pump and use an external float or tether switch, get a longer run time, is much more forgiving on the motor. Cheep on the manufacturers part is the name of the game.
I have had failures with every switch, from many manufacturers. I went to a contactor on the wall, a separate level switch, and a pump without a switch in my own home. Been running 25 years now with no failure. Shame these great pumps are unreliable because of the switches.
My liberty switch went out after 2 years. It happens. flooded the basement in 6in of rain water. Word of advice, use a remote switch and piggyback your pump to it. Also, backup wouldn't hurt either.
Hahaha!!! Sorry, mate - but the opening of this video plays like a scene from Goodfellas! Sooo funny. To English people, anyway. Thank you! Love from the UK! PS Please don't send the Pompliani Family after me with one o' them hammer drills! I'm too young to die of a broken outlet hose!
They make a good pump, but their standard float switches are weak. They make two models with improved switches, the M63 and M95. Those two are solid units, but the best thing would be to get away from mechanical float switches all together. Get an N53, N57, or N98 (no integrated float) and use a LevelGuard float switch.
@@DRWebster93 great suggestion! I ended up going with an Ion Storm Pro and the Hydrocheck HC6000. Lots of flexibility and no switch to worry about failing!
Zoeller pumps are good but energy hogs. If your pump cycles a lot during heavy rains your electric bill will be crazy high. The inrush of power every time the pump kicks on is insane. I've switched to Ion Storm Pro. Very good pump, uses half the energy.
@@rustyme1122 The most energy efficient pump would be one with an air filled motor (less drag). Tsurumi Pump makes very nice units. They also have a proprietary "oil lifter" that throws oil at the upper shaft seal. This is important since it would normally be lubricated by the oil in the motor housing.
I don't know what tape that guy use on that pipe but I want a couple cases of that I haven't seen tape stick that good in a long time LOL Keep On Keepin On
3-4 years? You meant 30-40 years should a pump last. At least the two in my basement (a Lowara Domo VX15/T and a KS Amadrainer, bot with external floating Switch and a contactor way above water level. The amadrainer does the regular work, the Domo is for emergencies if there is a sudden Flood. Both of them could handle heavy rain alone if necessary tough. Yes, these are rather expensive, but if I pay just a quarter of the Lowara and it lasts 4 years instead of 30-40, it is in the end more costly, especially if the cheap pumps fail and flood my basement. These two pumps NEVER failed in the last 30 years and there are no signs that I should retire them - the impeller was once changed on the amadrain due to wear and tear, but that is normal maintenance for a pump. I just can recommend to save your basement with professional and reliable pumps, the costs of the pumps are NOTHING compared to the damages the water can do to your belongings or house!
I remember you working on those pumps some years ago. Good work Steve!
The Zoeller M53, M57 & 98 installation instructions still recommend drilling a hole in the pipe.
“I don’t what this shit is but it won’t stop a leak.”
I guess that flex tape can’t replace a plumber after all
That was white duct tape
had 2 seperate pits installed after superstorm Sandy with Zoeller pumps and check valves at the 2 lowest corners of the basement. so far so good! they are almost 10 years old now.i know replacement should be at 7 years max but i check on them all the time. when one finally dies i will just replace the bad one because the interior piping is looped so if one pump dies the other will pick up. i also keep a floor pump around as last resort i figure. i do flush out the pit once a year with hot water and dish soap and if real bad vaccuum the crap out. one issue ive had with both pumps is the plastic pit box overtime bowed andbellied inward in the center of the box just enough to wedge the float stuck in the on position. the metal guard didnt help the float because the bellied part curved just enough under it causing the float to get stuck on the side wall. i ended up wedging things so it wouldnt get stuck but due to vibrations it goes back to the same spot so im gonna cut the pipe add in some angle and space it better from the wall. thanks for your video!
Great work Steve get er out and install that liberty..zoeller pumps have had a problem with the float switch for the past 6 to 8 months now a lot of recalls on pumps installed
That water level rose quick! Love that Liberty pump, so quiet and looks built strong. That annoying tape must of been white Flex Tape.
You are on point with all your videos I've been doing Plumbing very long keep up the good work I enjoy watching it
If the water comes up 2 feet I'd have 3 pumps in there. Looks like he keeps your dental records down there.
Does you dentist say good enough for this neighbourhood when he finishes you fillings? Did he ask for a discount?
Cool, I saw the videos of you working on that system back from like 2014.
they say to still drill hole in pipe to prevent air lock
That pump that steve installed already comes with a airlock hole drilled into the pump.
That rubber stuff that you are trying to get off the pipe is that As seen on TV flex tape. That shit is a nightmare to get off. It was put on a seam on my shower, big mistake, needed to get goop remover spray (unsure of brand) that dissolves adhesive to get it off. I almost was going to just burn it off and I would have if it was on something outside and wouldn't burn.
3 or 4 years. My sump pump is like 40 years old. Still working fine.
40 years old???? Replace it don’t cheap out as you might regret it
@@papiboom6969As cheap quality as the brand new ones are. It would probably outlast anything I would buy. Plus the biggest thing that fails on them is the float switch, and it has already been replaced.
@@matthewbestdfghy I understand that but 40 years like holy shit how fast does it pump can it even handle heavy rain and floods?
@@papiboom6969 not a problem. Older stuff works better lasts longer. All metal. No plastic parts to easily fail.
@@matthewbestdfghy Ok yeah that does make sense.
How come you don't use the purple cleaner so before you know what parts you didn't miss before gluing
When in doubt change er out mama
Take care all
I've had pretty good luck with Barracuda pumps, the one I'm using is a 1/2 hp pedestal sump pump, it's the old model with the cast iron base, the new ones have thermoplastic bases that crack and break if you look at them wrong, bought it for $40 N.O.S in the original packaging, one of the last good cheap pedestal pumps due to all the new models having plastic bases and even cheaper motors
I can’t believe the amount of water these sump pumps spit out. A buddy of mine needed one. His place gets about 6 inches of water if the sump pump decides to quit . They can always tell when it quits. The hot water quits because 6 inches of water puts the water line above the hot water heater burner. No hot water? Sump pump quit working. Nice work Steve
No purple primer? Got to use it in North Carolina! Great video!!
In new Jersey too
Already swapped the switch outta my zoeller at 1.5 years old (was running for two days stright)
...How long are the switches lasting in the libertys?
My zoeller pump...took switch apart...all wet in inside housing. Good pump ..terrible switches .
My Zoeller sump pump failed on December 16th and we came down to find 2 inched of water on the floor. the water even got to a brand new 20 inch Husqvarna chain saw which was a Christmas gift from my mom to my step father. luckily when I removed it from the box it was un touched. I put back in a Zoeller as the one we had lasted us 15 years.
I did film it and might upload it if I like the video I put together.
@@throttlebottle5906 your definitely right I suggested a water powered one. I plan to revisit it and install the backup and recipe it outside instead of going into our sewer. I'm only 17 and this is my parents house so I will have to get it past them first before I can change anything.
Running any pump to failure is a bad idea, unless you don't mind a flooded basement. Periodic change out and routine visual inspections are necessary for any system. Having a replacement on hand and failure alarms are also a good idea.
A major cause of switch/pump failure is constant short cycling. The sump pits need to be bigger to hold more water so pump runs longer for each cycle.
great job. love your explanations and videos.
That pump was spitting like Nancy Pelosi !!
No pipe 1/8 relief hole. No wonder your pumps are failing on you. Zoeller specs one and their training videos say the one they have on their low housing is prone to clogging from debris as it's low in the sump. Also, newer pumps have a lower on/off travel of 4" vs 6-7" of 25 years ago. This causes them to cycle too often.
I need help sump is shorted out I took it out of it’s hole and took it apart and it still doesn’t turn on. When the float goes in the up position it shorts out I need help!!
EVERYBODY READ: Liberty pump switches will fail too. I have seen several of them fail on top of my own basement flooded. The pumps themselves are great quality. Same with zoeller, so if you pick on zoeller, you must also pick on liberty. A good solution is to buy a piggyback FLOAT switch and install it with a MANUAL sump pump. A "Levelguard" electronic switch is another option.
I would have us 45 elbows smoother run. Flow
You need to get yourself some of that tape Steve 😂
Would of been a good idea to dig around the outside of the foundation and install drainage pipe and gravel
Just curious, if the pump still works, why not set the float to the top, so that it WILL stay ON, and use a separate float switch that you plug the pump into?
Is this a good idea? Is this a bad idea and WHY?
I GOT GET SOME OF THAT STUFF,.😱👌 hell of a adhesive,..,,,...vedo Corleone next level✌
The very best sump pump I’ve come across and highly recommend is a Ion ‘technologies Storm Pro BA-33i. It’s a 1/3hp high energy efficient motor with a no moving parts digital pump switch. If you want a very quiet powerful and reliable long lasting sump pump that has a energy efficient motor that doesn’t have a high amperage draw that dims all your lights every time it discharges look no further. Combined with a quiet design check valve the pump discharging makes virtually little sound and is perfect for those with finished basement living quarters, home theaters or bothersome noises on main floor coming from a traditional design sump pump.
Not bad, but pressure style diaphragm switches like that can still fail. I prefer LevelGuard.
@@DRWebster93 This pump switch on the Ion BA-33i uses digital water sensors inside the mechanism not a diaphragm to activate the sump pump. Very similar to the LevelGuard product and a good comparison. FYI, Emecole has a RUclips video on this Ion switch.
I use an Ion Storm Pro BA33 with a modified longer rod on a Rhombus Vertical Master mechanical switch. Storm Pros use half the energy of a Zoeller. During rainy season my electric bill was 100 dollars higher per month using a Zoeller. No noticeable difference now using Ion. Rhombus claims their mechanical switch has a 250,000 cycle life. Zoeller says 100,000 cycles on their standard switch. My pump runs 10,000 cycles per year.
How come my zoeller is 15 years old and it has no issues
what is replacement pump model?
so why dont people fix the water ingress in the house in the first place?
The purpose of the footer drains is to depress the water table around the house/footers. Think about it, if you perfectly sealed the wall/footer/floor with no water table depression, you have created a concrete boat out of your house!
@@theoldbigmoose I mean that sounds ideal. But again the house is old. Very expensive to do.
Cheaper to use pumps than 10's of thousands to dig
Nice job and video
Zollers engineers cheeped out when they specced the micro switches, the contacts burn shut , too much amperage. They deny that they have a problem. I disable the internal switch in the pump and use an external float or tether switch, get a longer run time, is much more forgiving on the motor.
Cheep on the manufacturers part is the name of the game.
I have had failures with every switch, from many manufacturers. I went to a contactor on the wall, a separate level switch, and a pump without a switch in my own home. Been running 25 years now with no failure. Shame these great pumps are unreliable because of the switches.
M63 and M95 have better switches. But you are 100% right, best is to use external switch. I like LevelGuard.
2 pumps, 2 separate pipes, how many electrical circuits?
"Good enough for this neighborhood. Ain't no Taj Mahal. "😂😂
Didn't this basement flood in 2014 and you replaced the pumps? Or was that a different dentist?
He was a Zoeller man until their switches started to fail. Probably right after he put these in.
Peace of mind with a new pump
That's the as seen on TV Flex seal tape!
I am wurried aboud the water line on the pump it tells me both cant keep up with the water in case of heavy rain fall
I’m not buying another zoeller pump either. Switch went out in about 4 years. Replaced pump, then replaced switch in zoeller. I keep it for a spare.
My liberty switch went out after 2 years. It happens. flooded the basement in 6in of rain water. Word of advice, use a remote switch and piggyback your pump to it. Also, backup wouldn't hurt either.
Good job dude
Do you need a mask if your working by yourself?
A duplex system would have been a great system, of course it’s extra money, but it would alternate pumps and have an alarm for failures
That dental tape is good stuff. Keep your teeth in your mouth for 3-months at a whack. Lol.
Hahaha!!! Sorry, mate - but the opening of this video plays like a scene from Goodfellas! Sooo funny.
To English people, anyway. Thank you!
Love from the UK!
PS Please don't send the Pompliani Family after me with one o' them hammer drills! I'm too young to die of a broken outlet hose!
Guess The Home Owner Needs a French Drain Around The Foundation of the House. But After Spring...
Looks like Mr. Flex seal man got there with his tape before you.
they suck the dam switch goes out way to often, the need to make a better gasket.
Good thing the remaining pump didn’t fail.
i bought a zoeller pump cause you said there the best!
They make a good pump, but their standard float switches are weak. They make two models with improved switches, the M63 and M95. Those two are solid units, but the best thing would be to get away from mechanical float switches all together. Get an N53, N57, or N98 (no integrated float) and use a LevelGuard float switch.
@@DRWebster93 great suggestion! I ended up going with an Ion Storm Pro and the Hydrocheck HC6000. Lots of flexibility and no switch to worry about failing!
Zoeller pumps are good but energy hogs. If your pump cycles a lot during heavy rains your electric bill will be crazy high. The inrush of power every time the pump kicks on is insane. I've switched to Ion Storm Pro. Very good pump, uses half the energy.
@@rustyme1122 The most energy efficient pump would be one with an air filled motor (less drag). Tsurumi Pump makes very nice units. They also have a proprietary "oil lifter" that throws oil at the upper shaft seal. This is important since it would normally be lubricated by the oil in the motor housing.
I've been using libertys for 7 years now. Have never had a failure. And are quiet. Only problem is float is sensitive.
You are fortunate. my liberty failed after 2 years. flooded the basement with 6in water. This prompted me to buy a backup with my new zoeller.
I don't know what tape that guy use on that pipe but I want a couple cases of that I haven't seen tape stick that good in a long time LOL Keep On Keepin On
Probably flex tape they advertise on TV all the time.
Flex tape don't hold that good I know I've used it LOL:-) :-)
Wasn’t DB Cooper the hockey player that learned figure skating cuz he couldn’t play anymore?
No....he jumped out of a plane after hijacking it
3-4 years? You meant 30-40 years should a pump last.
At least the two in my basement (a Lowara Domo VX15/T and a KS Amadrainer, bot with external floating Switch and a contactor way above water level. The amadrainer does the regular work, the Domo is for emergencies if there is a sudden Flood. Both of them could handle heavy rain alone if necessary tough. Yes, these are rather expensive, but if I pay just a quarter of the Lowara and it lasts 4 years instead of 30-40, it is in the end more costly, especially if the cheap pumps fail and flood my basement.
These two pumps NEVER failed in the last 30 years and there are no signs that I should retire them - the impeller was once changed on the amadrain due to wear and tear, but that is normal maintenance for a pump.
I just can recommend to save your basement with professional and reliable pumps, the costs of the pumps are NOTHING compared to the damages the water can do to your belongings or house!
it's probably that flex seal tape
Wow- Doc's got a $6500 compressor in the flood zone!
No worry, that’s 2 root canals...
@@409novaman 3 but who is counting 😂.
You guys need to eat?? Who would have known! Lol
Awesome 😎 ✌️
Your new videos always freeze at the ads. Anyone else have this issue.
Your a dental surgeon for HVAC stuff
Who need flex tape when you have ''Steve and Molly Crew.''
Two pumps should not share the same 1 1/2 discharge until they get to a 3 to 4 in. You could have been gone in 20 min with a switch replacement.
time for a new used blade.....
A dentist's office?
That air compressor is a quandary!
Had so many bad Zoellers I swithched to Liberty
Happens when people don't do maintenance
When in doubt cut it out ! what a "shit show" !
looks like that white flex tape about had you spanked shit is pretty sticky
They used enough tape.
That’s the flex seal crap
Miss Molly knows the value of a properly running sump pump.... 😉
Flex Seal tape.... Shit sticks like super glue!
Looks like flex seal tape
👍👍😊
Looks like medical tape,
thought Zoeller was the best
Good pumps, crappy switches on the standard models. M63 and M95 have good switches.
Energy hogs. Ion Storm Pro is the way to go.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Btw.. 12 commercials in 19 minutes. I hope RUclips is paying you good.
Steve must like me, I only seen 4. I am amazed how people get upset because free content has some commercials.
@@J-Colt You must be a liberal misunderstanding reality? Where is the "upset" part?
@@WeatherNut27 Liberal.... Yeah great response.
Dont try to fast forward the video. That seems to que up a commercial each time. Fyi
@@kellyscut1761 fast forward Steve's videos? Never! Definitely does trigger one though when you forward.
luckly u have a mask on,,it dont splash in ur mouth
Stupid flex seal tape. Seen it before. Stickier than shit
Flex shield lol
Why are using gloves? I don’t understand why your using gloves...
Elballs momma
Liberty is great. Zoeller is junk.
Do you see what happens when you don't use SOLVENT and cement on PVC? You get a novice using flex tape to seal a joint. Happy Holidays!
At my dad house we flotec sump pump it last 13 yeas intel die
Use the Zoeller M63 or M95, much better switch. Next level, Mama. Next level.
Hope your dentist doesn’t have the same philosophy “ when in doubt rip it out “
Because dentistry and plumbing are the same thing...