What is a Celtic Torc?
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2024
- The torc or torque was a status symbol for Celts, Thracians, Persians and Scythians in the Iron Age. But where does the torc originate? The oldest torcs appear in the late European Bronze Age.
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I'll never forget this one biker guy I met while at work who wore a thick, stainless steel torc with Anglo Saxon boar heads, a ring on every finger, and a biker mustache. Dude exuded Anglo Saxon chieftain vibes just from entering the room and from then on I realized just how powerful torcs, and that general aesthetic, can be. We should absolutely bring them back.
Hunter S Thompson in his book about Hell's Angels says they resembled Anglo-Saxons
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They are undergoing a resurgence now in fact. You see models wearing neck rings on catwalks.
Claiming these cowardly, over grown children are like a German tribe is the most American thing I've ever seen. Your mind is poisoned.
I always thought torcs were the coolest bit of pagan gear (aside from weapons, of course). The aesthetic is so powerful.
Celts were headhunters. They would wear belts made up of metal rings, fasten the rings to the braids of their horses, etc. Each of these rings represented the head of a warrior they had dispatched. Similar concept to the feather headdresses sported by Plains Indians.
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I think shields and their designs represent the most distinct aesthetics in aryan paganism. Seriously underrated gear.
Visit any museum in Europe, and they are filled with Torcs. They are amazing pieces of jewelery and a bit magical, I'd say...
The content from this channel is incredible. I love being exposed to the traditions and culture of my Celtic ancestors.
Which Celtic ancestors?
It is really SUPERB!! 🎉
@@emmanuelgoldspleen2905 Irish celts
@@Drew_McTygue There were no Irish Celts, so what do you mean?
@@emmanuelgoldspleen2905 Gaelic culture is Celtic, what are you talking about lad?
I made a solid pure silver torc in art school in 1998. I used a couple merrill lynch silver oz bars to make ingots from which I drew the wire to make the torcs. I twisted them up and capped them with silver balls. The silver was $2/oz now it is ten times that.
I always love seeing how connected all the ancestors of modern Europeans were, directly or indirectly in many of their cultures. Such a rich and underrated perspective of our shared histories it makes me glad your channel exists. We certainly need more of it. Great content as always.
There's some beautiful golden torcs, earrings, lunulae etc in the National Museum in Dublin. Well worth a visit if you're ever in town.
you didn't notice the shot of a torc from that very museum at the end! I went in December 2019
It's a great museum. Quite proud of it.
You must visit and participate in the Flora Day Festival, held in Helston, Cornwall. An ancient celebration doused in tradition! I am Devon/Cornish born and bred!
I think I shall!
I'm a simple man. I see a STJ video on Celts, I click play.
Big fan of torcs. Have always liked the large ones.
Its always fascinating to see things you think are tied to one culture end up being apart of many other cultures, for example the tartan.
In Scandinavia they also had multiple torcs, made of 3 - 5 - 9 rows of rigid golden tubes soldered together and lavishly decorated. Chek out the "collars" of Ålleberg, Färjestad and Möne (all in the Golden Room of Stockholm's Historical Museum). They date to the 6th-7th centuries AD. The Germanic oath ring is something different that you can also find in ancient Persia. Roman and Byzantine soldiers also wore torcs, especially the imperial bodyguards.
Yes I have a shot of the collar but decided not to use it as I was not including the large gold collars from the british isles either. The shot at 1:45 is from the gold room in Stockholm!
Fellas, I think it's about time we bring these back!
Got mine on
I really appreciate that you delve into the subject of material culture. Torcs are amazing. Good visuals and info. What a great way to spend a couple of minutes.
Thanks Tom:)
The torc represents two opposing forces being united, the western equivalent of the yin and Yang symbol.
Do you know what is "hryvna" (except that it is Ukraine's currency now)? It is a torq which was worn in Kyevan Rus, then became a measure of weight for preacious metals, the cut of it (to cut is "rubit' ", a cut piece is "rubel") is rubel.
I love these 2-3 minute videos. Keeps the content fresh!
Fantastic content, Tom!
Great video, thank you very much. I think you can make plenty of content using this short video format; it is perfect for explaining single topics such as torcs.
Great video, I'm starting a Celtic Pop band called Torc Torc.
Cheers from Mercia
Great video on a great topic from a great channel
your short format turns out great too!
Love the video!
Great video!
Great video, love the editing. A nice contrast to your usual in-depth analyses.
Is there any information on gold lunulae and their relation to torcs? I understand that those that have been found in Ireland are dated significantly earlier than any torc, around and before the early bronze age. I wonder was the torc originally an adaptation that developed its own distinct style over time.
yess - love torcs - great topic and video, thank you
I always wondered if they were the same thing as a Viking oath ring
there is some connection
Only complaint is that the video isn't longer !
I used to be very against jewelry, thinking it was feminine or gaudy, when I was younger having grown up in an Evangelical church. I am glad I have since adopted rings, mjolnirs, and torcs into my every day fashion. I feel more of a connection with my ancient history and culture than I ever did before
Those were very common among Celts, Romans used to collect these torcs from the killed enemies in battle and wear them as a symbol of warrior power. The more torques a Roman warrior collected, the more it was considered powerful.
Source? "Gotta catch 'em all brah."
Or as Alan Partridge might say:
"We need to talk, about ..torcs" 😅
fascinating video
One of the typical object associated with the (early Germanic) Jastorf culture are Crown-shaped neck rings or in German Kronenhalsring. They look very distinct from the Torcs used by the Gauls and Britons. Most look also rather uncomfortable, so I have no idea how they were worn and for who/wat these objects were made.
Thanks, never heard of those before, then again I've never read about the Jastorf Culture either.
@@damionkeeling3103 Thx maybe Survive the Jive can make a doc about the Jastorf culture because it is one of the first archeologic cultures associated with the Germanic tribes.
I’ve always been fascinated by those necklaces
We need to bring the torc back
There are plenty available online, but they all look inferior to the originals, at least the ones I've seen. I would pay good coin for a quality replica of the Snettisham torc.
If You are interested: google Scandinavian Viking Jewelery - You will find a lot of beautiful stuff!💙💙💙💙💙
don't torc back to me
I’ve got two beautiful torcs custom-made by Crafty Celts available from their website. One is a heavy-braided torc made of pure silver with two Celtic Dragon heads-one on each terminal-symbolising my birth-sign & my love for Celtic culture and my mother’s Irish ancestry, and the other one is an extra-heavy braided bronze Celtic Chieftain’s torc.
They’re both absolutely beautiful and I’m intending on keeping them as family heirlooms for my descendants to hold on to. I’m intending on getting the Chieftain’s torc in pure silver also sometime soon for the same purposes👌🏻
I highly recommend them for anyone who wants their own!
Thanks for the recommendation!! I’ve been looking for a place that makes things in silver. Most of the jewellery available out there is just steel or pewter
@@MadTwatter7 You’re very welcome! Yes I’ve made a few regrettable purchases in pewter myself, and the high-quality stainless-steel purchases I make don’t have the same precious feel as even say a bronze piece, etc.
You’ll definitely appreciate their collection👍🏻🍻
do you have a long form video on these? so hard to find good set of a variety of samples from across the world/time like this. thanks !
Sorry, no
For the algorithm! ⚔️🛡️
Legendary!
Nicely done, Tom. So, when the wearing of torcs is associated with relatively later periods of European history, any depictions of torc wearing among Bell Beaker, Corded Ware, Stonehenge, and Newgrange, etc., individuals in not historically accurate?
they didn't have them
Correct, though the earlier torcs were being worn around the same time as the Trojan War is thought to have happened so still quite old. Before torcs there were gold gorgets and gold lunulae, both mostly from Ireland.
Aha, didn't think so!
Bring the Torc back as a fashion statement
Let’s bring back the torc
Torcs are cool as. I would love one. I heard in the UK you can get them made.
Deepak- great torc. I have one
I have a beautiful dragon-hesded double-twist bonze torc I got in 1993 at a Celtic Festival in Reno. I later found out limited numbers were made in France and are no longer available. Glad i jumped. Essential when I impersonate The Dagda.
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I guess they were an equivelent of our modern gold chains. People back then weren't so different.
My question is: Will torcs make a a comeback in the world of fashion?
I hope so. Maybe we should make it so.
The future is the past so I'd say so
Thin ones could but heavy chains will likely remain more popular as they're less likely to interfere with clothing.
I have a collection of Torcs made in my home of Cornwall from pewter and Cornish tin. Too soft to wear but very beautiful.
A spiral-ended steel torq was one of my first blacksmithing projects. I still have it and still wear it sometimes for ritual.
As far as I remember the Mycenaeans also wore Torcs
👍🏻👏🏻I love these [neck] torcs and just the craftsmen ship and beauty of these torcs are amazing- would def consider having one made if I was a necklace man
but I must say it clear to see torcs were used throughout the Iranian/persian world and are a hallmark of indo-european, iranic culture as we can see with the Scythians so I believe these torcs were just as much a part of Iranian culture as they were in Scythian culture and weren’t some thing that were just “borrowed”- as we can see through example from the Achaeminid period through to the Parthian era and the times before these dynasties of note-
thy all descend from the same place and peoples at the end of the day- so it only makes sense
I made one out of copper and wore it a few times until it started turning my neck green.
Get it shiny again and then apply a spray lacquer. There are various products for protecting the polish on brass and even car clearcoat would probably do.
Question I have regarding torcs: referring to arm rings I’ve often read of I have always pictured them in my mind as around the bicep rather than the wrist. Is this valid?
I'd really like a torc.
cool
thanks for the bright info!do u know where the name derived from?
It would be cool if Torcs made it back into western culture, I have one myself.
Tork, Torok means Throat, Torkos means 'for the throat' in Hungarian language, what is Old European language,the language of the Royal Scythians. Torkos or Torque is neck pretzel or neck bracelet, or jewel 'for the throat'.
I'm pretty sure the origin of the torcs was Proto-Indo-European, because you even have the Indo-Aryans, a group of Indo-Europeans, who migrated to Asia, from Central Europe, who went on to become the founders of India, way before the time of the Scythians, and they have torcs on their arms, wrists, and necks, as well.
There are even Indo-European Hittite reliefs found in Anatolia, when a group of Indo-Europeans, the Hittites, had migrated to Anatolia, from the Proto-Indo-European Homeland, and they had torcs, too - arm-rings, and wrist-rings.
I wouldn't even be surprised if torcs went all the way back to the North-Eurasians. The North-Eurasians are the ancestors of the Proto-Indo-Europeans.
When was the earliest date for any metal being mined at all? The answer to this, would answer when torcs first came about, really. I'd like to know, myself.
As always, great content! 💯
torc specifically refers to neck rings really. There are no PIE torcs, rasther torcs are late BA and Indo-Aryans descend from a BA migration from Europe so it doesn't have to go back to PIE. idk what hittite things you are referring to
@@Survivethejive the Hittites, they had arm-rings, and neck rings, in Anatolian reliefs that depicted them.
@@Survivethejive regarding the Bronze Age, Thanks! I needed to know that.
Ancient South Asians wore a similar ornament. Such objects have been found throughout the subcontinent.
Hey Tom, ive noticed on several depictions (mainly Egyptian, Sumerian and Mayan) that have gods carry diving kettlebells/handbags. Anything special or unique about that?
I always wondered why men stopped wearing jewelery considering all the sick stuff there was like torcs, armrings or generally jewelery for men in the bronze age etc or what mayans had.
Hey Tom. What's your opinion on the RUclips channel Norse magic & beliefs? Do you consider him a good source of germanic history?
I have been a guest on that channel
Perhaps a silly question, but how does one put on such a ring? Does it fit over the head? Is it bent around the neck? If the latter, would that mean it is never taken off again after putting it on once?
The earlier ones are flexible enough to bend them open and slide on. Rather than pull them open like you're opening a bag you pull one end up and the other down which preserves the shape better. The ones with solid parts are hinged and some of those also had a catch for holding the two ends of the torc closed.
@@damionkeeling3103 Thanks!
Torc derty to me!
You should start your own store, think of Grim Frost but Anglo-Saxon/Celtic.
Gaule is the indigenous Homeland to the Celts/Gauls.
or was the place named after the people? England is named after the Angles who came from northern germany/denmark/holland
This is actually a REALLY hard question to answer. Gaul was certainly a major, major important area for them for a very long time, but their most original homeland was MOST likely somewhere around Crimea/The Pontus or what is now Ukraine when they lived alongside the Goths, Scythians, and other root peoples that the Germans also came from. The Celts were probably either considered the same overall people as these groups back then, or a main branch of the complex kinship and clan relations among all of those people in that area, but with their own very distinct culture. And because of how they expanded to everywhere from Anatolia to Ireland to the Steppe to Iran to the Levant to Gaul to Iberia to Upper Germany to North Africa, they're very hard to nail down. By the numbers, their longest running capitol/main cultural center was actually Austria, but they did not originate there, nor did that stay their main cultural center forever. Gaul, for the longest time, was probably considered the main and most important location for the Celts, much like Ancient Austria, or how we now think of Ireland. It may not be where they originated, but the term "Gaul" was completely inseparable from the concept of "Celtic", it's what everyone thought of 2000 years ago when someone referred to (what we would call) Celts, and the placename was synonymous with the people all the way until even after Caesar had to utterly dismantle their civilization and genocide tons of them in order to break their complete hegemony over the region.
So I would say that among the Celts, it matters much less where they originally came from, since they seem to make their home wherever they go, and that whole place just becomes a "homeland" for the Celts, where they dominate its culture effortlessly. Look at Appalachia. Simply because a lot of Celts decided to settle that region and make it their home a few centuries ago, the whole culture and society of that region became a main Celtic cultural hub, where they created their own distinct identity that they fiercely maintain to this day. Anyways, Celts are maybe the single most fascinating people in history and I wouldn't have it any other way.
@@CWCvilleCop Celtic Culture was spread when the Gauls spread across Europe into Britain, Germany, Iberia, Italy, Balkans, Ukraine, even stretching as far as contacting the ancient Scythian Tribes of Kazakhstan and Russian Tribes East while even going as far South as Egypt having contact with the Egyptians. The Etymology of many Celtic Place Names across Europe have Roots in France/Gaule. The Ukrainian Cultures were more similar to the Slavs and Iranians. Most of the modern French People are literal Descendants of ancient Gauls the way many modern Egyptians are Descendants of ancient Egyptians.
Anything celtic comes from Romania and Bulgaria, the oldest european civilisations, the thracians.
@@mihaiilie8808 no, the Balkanid and Dacian are nothing like the Celts, Celtic Culture came from Gaule who spread Celtic Culture across Europe including Dacia and the Balkans.
Nowadays, there are some who wear something similar looking called "tensor rings". They are supposed to be "magical" as well.
I'm guessing that the early torcs were literally money worn around your neck for display.
That is certainly the case in Iberia
Like the nose pieces in India?
@@RipleysSanatorium ... along those lines, yes. A warrior with bling must be a somebody.
They were indeed a status symbol, but their main function seemed to signify an oath or identity more than anything. Sure, a gold torc shows that you're of great means, but having a torc at all means that you're 100% committed to who and what you are and the oath(s) you have taken.
@@CWCvilleCop Speculative but interesting. Regrettably, our Celtic ancestors wrote almost nothing down and we can only guess, speculate and hope about what they thought. What we do know is that they wore gold and bronze of considerable value around their necks and that says wealth display. Whatever else the philosophized about is pretty much pure guess work.
My family gave me a viking style bracelet for Christmas. No idea it was called a Torc. T t t t torc to me. T t t t torc to me.
Hmmm seems like I just saw this??
How do you make it fit properly? With a torc wrench.
Touché. I mean, torc-ché.
Gold is soft and bends easily.
Obviously, torc is a Latin-derived word, torqueo. Do we have any idea what ancient Celts called this particular neck jewellery in their own languages?
Its a broken circle, with no way to open and close them.
You took all about
I have my own copy
Someone depicted us Indo-European enjoyers as a soyjak. I found it funny as Survive the Jive was directly referenced in the meme.
I don't see how a wedding ring is anything but an oath ring
My wedding ring is an oath ring because the inscription says "i bind the oath" and because the wedding vows were sworn on the ring itself
@@Survivethejive Nice, congrats
Torcs
Bring back the torc
Torc it up
neck torgs a made of silver are part of my grand mothers jewllery
I wear my torc every day. ⚡️🪓
Some of these appear really..."tight". Are they quite malleable? How to get them round your neck?
You bend them
Wish you'd make a video about Arkaim and it's recent discoveries.
Did the Anglo Saxons wear torcs?
Is this the origin of the ancient Celtic Beegees song, "Jive Torcing"?
Have you heard of the 16th century Tudor Era shipwreck called the Mary Rose that sunk near the Isle of Wight ? They investigated the DNA of some of the crewmates' skeletons and found two "North African" men and the press immediately jumped on the "Tudor England was Diverse", "Tudor era ship had diverse crew with African members" bandwagon but the data seems strange and the results far fetched so maybe you could try debuking that mess ?
I have visited the wreck as a child. Never heard about this DNA testing
TORC?- and where are the S= slav???
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Probably an Atlantic Bronze age culture
Iranic? Does that translate as Persian?
Umm.... Much more impressive omes from the Bronze age can be founf at the Damish National Museum.
I have been there. I might not have got a shot of them though. Also, the Nordic Bronze age overlaps for 500 years with what everywhere else calls the Iron age
Or better L- lechs, L compare in many many archives arround the world
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Where torcs still used in Christian times?
Ah but you didn't speculate on the symbology very much
I think the Germanic customs are revealing. Even the celtic god holds the torc aloft as germanic people did their oath rings in ritual oaths
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