Not only that but maybe have to have a Carmode. No disrespect to armada bike but my first sideways was the audi E3 could use by jazz/datsun mold from rotf
In my personal canon, Sideways has his Armada colors, Cybertron head and weapons, and Bayverse alt-mode in addition to some Jevil (Deltarune)-inspired detailing (I gave him jester shoes and turned his horned helmet into a jester hat).
The fact that he's overlooked a criminal, Sideways was the coolest villain in Armada and maybe the Unicron Trilogy. Nobody could have played him better than Paul Dobson.
This extends to Punch/Counterpunch and Doubledealer, too. Punch/Counterpunch has the potential to be reworked as a DID system; modern fiction seems to have forgotten that Doubledealer has two robot modes (the bird is his Decepticon form). We need more wildcards like them and Sideways, dang it!
Please no! Punch/Counterpunch has been written with a split personality before and it is a problematic depiction of DID for a few reasons. The way his alter ego forms is just that Counterpunch was origially just a disguise and stress made him become a full on personality which is not how DID forms. The other issue is that he uses the Evil alter trope which is not a real thing. There are persecutors but they are not evil, they're misguided protectors. Finally there's also the fact that in fiction there's a story were Counterpunch manges to kill Punch being rebuilt with 1 robot mode rather than 2 which is impossible. Alters can not be killed. What would actually happen is that Punch and Counterpunch would intergrate into 1 personality. He is one of the worst depictions of DID in Transformers to the point where I'd rather they just forgot that part of his fiction and never write him that way again.
@@RialVestroI’d say that that’s more of a problem with those specific stories, than the concept itself. Hell, with the modern interpretation of the Deception origins, one could EASILY rewrite Counterpunch to be a misguided but well-meaning bot, convinced that the Deceptions are the only ones that understand his case.
To be honest, I think you could do Punch/Counterpunch as a rival to Sideways or someone Sideways took out as he might be able to figure out what Sideways is scheming and even add that Punch/Counterpunch could be used to secretly give the info about Sideways and what he’s really trying to do to the Decepticons and other factions to attempt to unite them. I’m sure that it would be really interesting seeing Sideways and Punch/Counterpunch trying to outwit each other while not fully revealing their hand either…
Sideways has to be my favorite villain in Transformers. A mysterious trickster who you can never know if is telling the truth. I personally do like the idea of all variants of him being the same guy, especially with the angle that he's playing a "character" each time, being his typical trickster self. Yeah, I'm aware he has died a lot, but I like to imagine despite dying he is able to regenerate in either the same universe or a different universe with a different form, explaining why he reappears in Cybertron after dying in Armada. I'd love to see a figure of Armada Sideways made in Legacy or some future Generations line and that's probably the only thing left I want in my collection that I don't have yet.
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons: 1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time. 2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it. Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years. What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
@@milestinker2178 Oh dang... I had no idea about this. I have a whole story with Sideways planned out with him being a singular entity so to know that the idea originated from a lie is crazy! Probably still sticking to the concept, however
With the whole armada to cybertron thing, I’m never convinced they were never connected as there’s proof there was work going on in the American side on Galaxy Force as a sequel so the “Galaxy Force is standalone” statement shouldn’t be said with no asterisks to mention something. Also Energon is about unicron regaining energy and showed he could revive any transformer from Megatron to Alpha Q’s forces so Sideways regenerating away from prying eyes and leaving isn’t too out of the question and thus allowing room to return in Cybertron in his new mode that no one recognizes (people say that’s a plot hole I call BS) heck he works closely with Starscream who became a blank slate after his revival and after going with Megatron to the Energon Sun comes back with great evil ambition just like Megatron. I think there’s a good argument to be made regarding the connection no connection thjng
So basically, you want to make Sideways the Transformers equivalent of (the original concept behind) Yu-Gi-Oh's The Tricky; a single monster with several spell cards all with unique effects attached to him.
The best part about this, for selling the toy 's pitch to Hasbro in this hypothetical is- you've just pushed an "army-builder" figure. A character/mold for the customer to buy mutiple times for a troop builder display.
This was a great concept for Sideways. I hope one day we got a brand new figure/mold for him as well since I don't think a retool would do the character justice
I was just a kid when i watched armada and the concept of betrayal in cartoons was foreign to me. I was completely shocked when it was revealed hes actually a bad guy even tho its obvious from his design. Hes also my favorite character in armada.
For a legacy figure I think he would need to be a voyager price if we wanna have the minicon and some type of faction changing gimmick, maybe it’s like ER double dealer where it just a panel that flips. A deluxe price Ishtar be to small for the headmaster minicon and the change gimmick so he might be a bit smaller for a voyager but had the things to be armada sideways. It’s kinda odd how sideways never got a titans return figure or headmaster when he’s a well know unicron trilogy character and a double headmaster.
We didn’t get him or the alleged IDW Hot Rod retool in Titans Return because that would require John Warden to acknowledge a non-G1 character, and we know his GEEWUN butt didn’t like doing that.
Honestly I'd be fine with either voyager or leader for armada sideways. Just make it done right. He needs the faction switching gimmick, and he needs his 2 minicons.
Giving this spin to sideways gives me the end of shin Godzilla vibes if those mini creatures actually got free before being cooled down. Really like this take too cause it gives him an army builder vibe. Just a bunch of sideways swagged out with unique details to their faction besides their logos. And just imagine the fights they’d get into. If something like this ever did exist I’d want them to at least once do the first episode version of the KR drive kick. Just one or more of them using each other as spring boards to demolish someone
Cool idea, but I'd say Sideways would struggle permeating other factions because of how this strange dude wants to join the faction when they don't really fit in. He could just about pass in the Autobots, Decepticons, Vehicons, Velocitrons, but any faction involving organics he's gonna be stuck - especially Predacons, where he'd be expected to be on the battlefield almost constantly (Predacons don't take in anyone who won't fight), and well, he isn't an organic. He'd stick out like a sore thumb, especially because while his head and faction symbol changes, his body doesn't. So, while having a secret faction, united in their desire to revive Unicron, works, having them be all the same guy doesn't.
context: I'm the one who requested this video. I really enjoyed this video and I love the concept of sideways having multiple bodies, my only question is are his headmaster minicons their own thing or are they like extensions of sideways?
I thought you were going to play with the head combined mode and make THAT guy the real Sideways. Another fun way to play with that would have been to have the two bike body combine into one body but with both heads on it. Would have been original. A character I'd like to see again is Rattrap, or at least someone like him: A little greasy guy with an incredible talent for sabotage. The guy had bombs in his forearms! I was always under the impression Rattrap joined the Axalon out of a desire to get away from Cybertron because of something he did. A guy like him who couldn't listen to Optimus at first totally wouldn't join an exploraton vessel because he wanted to. Was he a spy for the Maximals who made too many enemies? A little underground weasel who pissed off someone and needed to get away while the heat died down? Some sort of safe cracker? The guy clearly had skills and I wish his past was explored more. He wasn't a clean good guy and he could pull a mean Die Hard if he wanted to.
His design is similar to Legacy Animated Prowl (except for the placement of the wheels), so it could made if retooled and given blasters to attach to the forearms. As for the headmaster gimmick, might be too much to ask for two functional mini-figs, unless they made two static head pieces that could fit over the base head to represent his alternating allegiance looks.
It probably would be a prowl retool. Though given how hssbro is doing an awesome job with armada in legacy maybe a voyager figure to fit in the budget for both heads. And a new mold for him. As far as repainting it give it his cybertron colors @PrimeTemple20
I like to imagine a Sideways with no allegiances to anyone but himself. He could be a minion/spawn of Unicron, a disciple of Liege Maximo, a member of the Cybertronian Empire, an agent of the Vok, or some other entity out there. Ultimately, though, he's only out for himself. EDIT: Also, if he were to ever have a holomatter avatar (or his combined headmaster should have a human disguise), it should resemble Sombra from Overwatch, just to fuck with his friends and foes alike.
Sideways is definitely one of the most interesting characters from armada, I have the original release of his toy, and the re-release with animation accurate factions and the minor repaints to the mini cons
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons: 1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time. 2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it. Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years. What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
EDIT: Came for a discussion piece, didn't expect TJ's Story Time! Nice! Had Sideways been a G1 Decepticon equivalent to Punch-Counterpunch, we'd likely still see at least a toy version every now and then. But within the bounds of reality, I think Sideways is underused for three reasons: 1. His name sounds far too much like the far more popular and well-known Sideswipe (this is also likely the reason we don't see Sideburn from Car Robots/RiD'01). 2. Sideways is a product of his time. His Armada toy was amazing by the standards of Armada releases, and his gimmick was unique and interesting. Not only in that swapping the Minicons on his head also made his faction symbol swap, but also that his Minicons could combine into an actual rider for his motorcycle mode, which is a rarity for Transformers. Additionally, his appearance in the show was intriguing. A double-agent isn't something that's often done, but a triple agent working for Unicron? It really gives some Herald of Galactus vibes. 3. His appearance in Cybertron (the series, hence forth referred to as Galaxy Force to avoid confusion with the Planet of the same name). In Galaxy Force, his toy definitely looked cool, but the way his faction symbol changes is rather dull. And the "he's a double agent but maybe his true loyalties lie elsewhere" trick from the show had just been done to greater success in Armada. Not to mention that Galaxy Force (at least the American Dub) dropped the Planet X storyline as soon as the cast left Gigantion.
A great write-up, easily a good chunk of a season if not more. The mystery and reveal of Unicorn. Kinda alludes to his golems in TF Prime, but much better executed than "now I'm a hundred big guys." A pity to write P/CP out. Technically it could work b/c his core bit is different, set up for a one shot psychological drama. But I get it, even if he was elsewhere it would've smacked of "really again?"
Imagine this if you wanna incorporate the dimension hopper theory: after all of these sideways are defeated, it cuts to one, floating in space, no headmaster in sight, then he goes through a portal, looking for another universe to find another unicron to bring to power. (And if you wanna use your omnibot video you can have them chasing him down too)
I always wished Armada had Sideways be a autobot a bit longer, mainly to really drive that knife of betrayal far deeper. Since he was just introduced than the following episode he switches sides, I hope Hasbro give him a brand new figure downline as he was such a cool character. I ESPECIALLY hope Fans Hobby make a third party version of Sideways, I have their Naval Commander Optimus figure on the way and will be getting their Jetfire figure soon.
Oh my God that sounds like a Twilight zone, or a movie that I think I may have seen but can't remember it, and or I would watch it if it came out! Or it may be that I'm just that twisted and I have the same thought process of you. On any of the ABOVE MENTIONED if there's any way you can submit to a movie or TV company, DO IT!!! Simply you just blew my mind. And I don't even know who Sideways, are? They are plural right? Hick fire sideways now I'm confusing my own self. Thank you for the conundrum, wrapped in a question, boxed in an enigma.😂 Love your channel, and always your servant Warren.
Personally I never liked Sideways being connected to Unicron. It didn't actually make any sense because earlier in the series we see Sideways making secret transmissions to Unicron which if he is Unicron himself he should never need to do. There's also an episode where Sideways actively works AGAINST Unicron as the 3 human children are being persude by him while Sideways is saving the humans. And he's already been revealed as a double agent at this point, he has no motivation to want the kids to trust him, he's just helping them with absolutly no benifit towards his own goals. I wouldn't mind it so much if Sideways were an indipendant character with his own thoughts and opinions but to outright make him and Unicron the same character makes absolutly no sense what so ever and is one of the reasons why I hate Armada more than any other series. Personally I would just make him a regular Transformer who acts as a spy for both the Autobots and Decepticons. There is one other thing that is very under utilized when it comes to Sideways and that's the fact that he has 3 heads not 2. The Armada cartoon rarely ever showed Sideways with his real head without a Mini-con attached. If I were to write my own story with the character Crosswise would be the Autobot, Rook would be the Decepticon, and Sideways would be the true identity. I do kind of like the idea of there being multiple bodies but I think I'd make the reveal be that the Headmasters are actually 2 humans in Exso-Suits piloting human built Transformers mechas. Sideways would be an actual Transformer but not one born on Cybertron. The other 2 are prototypes and the humans have been using those piloted versions to study both Autobots and Decepticons in order to create Sideways, a human built Transformer with a Spark who can think on his own without the need for his human pilot. He still has one who acts as a mentor to Sideways. The humans who created him knew their piloted mech prototypes weren't going to be strong enough to go up against a real transformer so their goal was to create a living Transformer they could influance for their own goals. They would test their theory with the upgraded Sideways who had his own head rather than a headmaster and then stage 3 of their plan was to build Nemesis Prime, a transformer strong enough to rival both Optimus and Megatron but entirely under human control. I'm basically imagining M.E.C.H. from Transformers Prime but with extra steps cause I like the idea of Sideways being a precurser to Nemesis Prime and having a faction of human built Transformers as it gives humans something to do in the story. We could even throw Nightbird, Stinger, and the Morbots in there as well to boost their ranks and show different stages of delopment as humans learn more about how to reverse engineer Cybertronian technology.
Agreed. It’s a great first attempt at a “super mode” Optimus AND very consistent with Ultra Magnus from a design standpoint. Both are cabover robots that slot into armor formed by their trailers- in almost identical ways (core bot balls up into a cube and slots into the open cavity in the armor).
That's an awesome idea either as a concept as a story. Please, bring a continuation of your story in other video! I have been thinking on how to put Sideways on a story involving double agent plot and Unicron, and still having something to do with Minicons, so that makes a double spy and hive mind Sideways army so fresh! Also, QR Code Saideways... only in a video about this dude
The Raptoricons from IDW definitely count as underused. They're so underutilized there aren't even third party toys of them! It'd be cool to see Thrashclaw (leader), Slice, Gnash, and Shred in something else.
I'm gonna play it a bit safe and boring: have him be an edgy Autobot ninja who goes undercover to collect intel with the Decepticons. His Unicron ties actually work better for Rapid Run, his redeco from from Transformers Energon, who I look at as a more inherently evil doppelganger of Sideways.
Just wondering on something here. What is the info on why and or how Sideways got the 2 bots working for him to switching between the two making a different robotic head for a different faction? Apologies just don’t know if that type of background info on the character was ever covered.
Had me checked out as soon as you said cybertron and armada were never intended to be connected, luckily sideways is my favorite character in the series so I did finish the video. I am completely convinced with evidence and what cannot be written off as coincidental writing that Energon leading into Cybertron was always the plan until something changed but it was late enough premise, outlines and designs were made with the sequel intention that for the most part Galaxy Force followed through on minus excising direct references to the old series (though a background character in a government scene looks like Alexis, could be cameo could be coincidence idk)
It's not speculation that Galaxy Force wasn't supposed to be a sequel to Superlink, it's straight from Takara. You can draw links but you could do that for most Transformers series based on the tropes of the franchise.
@@TJOmega I don’t think an evil god dying making a time ending black hole is a trope in the franchise, also the unicron trilogy was a joint effort, there’s even an image floating around of a napkin Aaron Archer used to write the outline of an Energon sequel which was written around 04 if I recall and it aligned with Galaxy force close enough to look like an older plan for the story before changes were made
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Unicron died halfway through Energon and there was no black hole in that series. Again, that part was written for the American adaptation to connect Energon and Cybertron, there was no mention of Unicron in Galaxy Force, it was just a black hole.
@@TJOmega episode 30 Primus explains the origin of the black hole as being born of an imbalance of good and evil with the source of said imbalance was the death of an unnamed evil god. Energon Unicron didn’t die halfway through, like Beast Wars Neo showed prior Unicron can live on beyond the death of his body and find new vessels or in Energon’s case an Orb containing his essence which manipulated Megatron and even Prime to an extent both able to tap into its power before exhausting it when Optimus sealed the energy they had inside himself. Then Galvatron destroyed the orb taking the whole essence back into his body Optimus Supreme fight then the Super Energon Orb where Galvatron crashes in along with the essence thus Unicron trapped within… and through that whole summary Unicron did not die only sealed inside an Energon Sun which then the next logical step would be it’s collapse into a black hole… did transformers even have a black hole prior to galaxy force? None that I can remember
Dude, TJ is 100% correct. Galaxy Force and Cybertron are entirely seperate things. The American dub is not a direct translatation of the original Japanese series. Galaxy Force was never intended to be in the same continuity. Cybertron being a sequel is entirely an American thing. BTW the Kids from Armada and Energon don't even ever appear in Cybertron except for one quick shot that only appears in the American version. In case you don't know in Japan when a character changes forms they typically keep some part of their original name so Doubleface and Noisemaze are obviously not the same guy. Again them both being called Sideways is entirely an American thing.
As a fan of the marvel multiverse thing, if we ARE talking putting one in transformers, i think they should it kick off by introducing sideways as the big bad of show/movie, with the omnibots as pursuers, it'd be the neatest thing ever
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons: 1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time. 2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it. Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facebook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years. What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
I honestly think Armada Sideways would have been a good villain for a Legacy cartoon if we had gotten one. I imagine he might have been the one to tear down the boundaries between universes as part of a plan to unite every universe's Unicron and plunge the entire multiverse into chaos. If he was the first Armada character to start dimension-hopping, then he'd have plenty of chances to pull his faction change gimmick to sow chaos among the Autobots and Decepticons of different universes until other UT characters started showing up who could ruin his fun.
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons: 1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time. 2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it. Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years. What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
I think this is all interesting, though I'm unsure if Optimus' principles would allow himself to gain an upper hand through such deceptive means. I'm interested what your take on such a scenario like this would be if Optimus denies Sideways' offer to would as a double agent (supposedly) for the Autobot cause.
Considering Punch Counterpunch was under Prime's command in Rebirth, pretty sure he's fine with this. If anything, gaining inside intel like this puts less soldiers and civilians at risk than waiting for Decepticon attacks to happen.
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons: 1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time. 2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it. Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years. What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
@@milestinker2178 It didn't have the entire fandom fooled. I never believed the multiversal nonsense when it was always obvious they can't be the same character if you think about it for more than 2 seconds. Even the Sideways who are SUPPOSE to be the same guy don't work as the same guy. (Mostly because they're actually 2 different characters the American dub tried to force to be the same guy.)
@@RialVestro there a lot of plot holes in transformers lore. Like g1 characters in beast wars having sparks while they were never mentioned in the original transformers cartoon. If we can ignore that why can't we do the same with multiversel Sideways
I always wanted to create my own transformer show i have my characters created/drawn with their powers and personalities but i think i have to work for hasbro.
Legacy sideways would be the coolest thing. With his faction changing minicons that act as a his rider, he probably has one of the coolest gimmicks.
Not only that but maybe have to have a Carmode. No disrespect to armada bike but my first sideways was the audi E3 could use by jazz/datsun mold from rotf
@@blueraccoon1088triple changer or Minicons. You can’t have both.
@@blueraccoon1088 g1-ification has been taken too far already. Don't give hasbro any more ideas.
In my personal canon, Sideways has his Armada colors, Cybertron head and weapons, and Bayverse alt-mode in addition to some Jevil (Deltarune)-inspired detailing (I gave him jester shoes and turned his horned helmet into a jester hat).
@@blueraccoon1088a bike mode triple changer would be compromised as fuck.
The fact that he's overlooked a criminal, Sideways was the coolest villain in Armada and maybe the Unicron Trilogy. Nobody could have played him better than Paul Dobson.
This extends to Punch/Counterpunch and Doubledealer, too. Punch/Counterpunch has the potential to be reworked as a DID system; modern fiction seems to have forgotten that Doubledealer has two robot modes (the bird is his Decepticon form). We need more wildcards like them and Sideways, dang it!
No, the bird is his decepticon alt mode.
Does munky turn into truck, or truck turn into munky? 😅
Mercenary missile truck turns into Autobot warrior turns into Decepticon bird.
Please no! Punch/Counterpunch has been written with a split personality before and it is a problematic depiction of DID for a few reasons.
The way his alter ego forms is just that Counterpunch was origially just a disguise and stress made him become a full on personality which is not how DID forms.
The other issue is that he uses the Evil alter trope which is not a real thing. There are persecutors but they are not evil, they're misguided protectors.
Finally there's also the fact that in fiction there's a story were Counterpunch manges to kill Punch being rebuilt with 1 robot mode rather than 2 which is impossible. Alters can not be killed. What would actually happen is that Punch and Counterpunch would intergrate into 1 personality.
He is one of the worst depictions of DID in Transformers to the point where I'd rather they just forgot that part of his fiction and never write him that way again.
@@RialVestroI’d say that that’s more of a problem with those specific stories, than the concept itself. Hell, with the modern interpretation of the Deception origins, one could EASILY rewrite Counterpunch to be a misguided but well-meaning bot, convinced that the Deceptions are the only ones that understand his case.
We are Sideways. We are Legion. We are many. We are one. We are Unicron.
*Resisting the urge to make an Alpharius joke*
@@EungsuLee Don't worry I made that comparison.
Sideways get more life chances than cliff jumper gets deaths.
To be honest, I think you could do Punch/Counterpunch as a rival to Sideways or someone Sideways took out as he might be able to figure out what Sideways is scheming and even add that Punch/Counterpunch could be used to secretly give the info about Sideways and what he’s really trying to do to the Decepticons and other factions to attempt to unite them. I’m sure that it would be really interesting seeing Sideways and Punch/Counterpunch trying to outwit each other while not fully revealing their hand either…
Sideways has to be my favorite villain in Transformers. A mysterious trickster who you can never know if is telling the truth. I personally do like the idea of all variants of him being the same guy, especially with the angle that he's playing a "character" each time, being his typical trickster self. Yeah, I'm aware he has died a lot, but I like to imagine despite dying he is able to regenerate in either the same universe or a different universe with a different form, explaining why he reappears in Cybertron after dying in Armada.
I'd love to see a figure of Armada Sideways made in Legacy or some future Generations line and that's probably the only thing left I want in my collection that I don't have yet.
Legacy is going to go into 2025 and we know there will be more Armada figures that year.
So here’s hoping they’re going to make him.
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons:
1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time.
2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it.
Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years.
What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
@@milestinker2178 Oh dang... I had no idea about this. I have a whole story with Sideways planned out with him being a singular entity so to know that the idea originated from a lie is crazy! Probably still sticking to the concept, however
With the whole armada to cybertron thing, I’m never convinced they were never connected as there’s proof there was work going on in the American side on Galaxy Force as a sequel so the “Galaxy Force is standalone” statement shouldn’t be said with no asterisks to mention something.
Also Energon is about unicron regaining energy and showed he could revive any transformer from Megatron to Alpha Q’s forces so Sideways regenerating away from prying eyes and leaving isn’t too out of the question and thus allowing room to return in Cybertron in his new mode that no one recognizes (people say that’s a plot hole I call BS) heck he works closely with Starscream who became a blank slate after his revival and after going with Megatron to the Energon Sun comes back with great evil ambition just like Megatron. I think there’s a good argument to be made regarding the connection no connection thjng
So basically, you want to make Sideways the Transformers equivalent of (the original concept behind) Yu-Gi-Oh's The Tricky; a single monster with several spell cards all with unique effects attached to him.
The best part about this, for selling the toy 's pitch to Hasbro in this hypothetical is- you've just pushed an "army-builder" figure. A character/mold for the customer to buy mutiple times for a troop builder display.
RID Sideways walked so Armada Sideways can run, the ROTF Sideways showed up for 27 seconds for promotional purposes
This was a great concept for Sideways. I hope one day we got a brand new figure/mold for him as well since I don't think a retool would do the character justice
I could see the legacy prowl figure used as a retool for sideways, idk if that's just ne though.
I was just a kid when i watched armada and the concept of betrayal in cartoons was foreign to me. I was completely shocked when it was revealed hes actually a bad guy even tho its obvious from his design. Hes also my favorite character in armada.
For a legacy figure I think he would need to be a voyager price if we wanna have the minicon and some type of faction changing gimmick, maybe it’s like ER double dealer where it just a panel that flips. A deluxe price Ishtar be to small for the headmaster minicon and the change gimmick so he might be a bit smaller for a voyager but had the things to be armada sideways.
It’s kinda odd how sideways never got a titans return figure or headmaster when he’s a well know unicron trilogy character and a double headmaster.
We didn’t get him or the alleged IDW Hot Rod retool in Titans Return because that would require John Warden to acknowledge a non-G1 character, and we know his GEEWUN butt didn’t like doing that.
I’m fine with the head switching and the faction symbol changing being independent of each other.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHonchoDidn't we get Windblade in TR though?
Honestly I'd be fine with either voyager or leader for armada sideways. Just make it done right. He needs the faction switching gimmick, and he needs his 2 minicons.
One of the most unique characters from Armada. I wish we had a new one.
Noisemaze is actually a much sicker name given that he kinda looks like a bat.
Doesn’t make much sense as there’s a lack of any noise or discord he can cause, most was making illusions that one time
Giving this spin to sideways gives me the end of shin Godzilla vibes if those mini creatures actually got free before being cooled down. Really like this take too cause it gives him an army builder vibe. Just a bunch of sideways swagged out with unique details to their faction besides their logos. And just imagine the fights they’d get into. If something like this ever did exist I’d want them to at least once do the first episode version of the KR drive kick. Just one or more of them using each other as spring boards to demolish someone
Cool idea, but I'd say Sideways would struggle permeating other factions because of how this strange dude wants to join the faction when they don't really fit in. He could just about pass in the Autobots, Decepticons, Vehicons, Velocitrons, but any faction involving organics he's gonna be stuck - especially Predacons, where he'd be expected to be on the battlefield almost constantly (Predacons don't take in anyone who won't fight), and well, he isn't an organic. He'd stick out like a sore thumb, especially because while his head and faction symbol changes, his body doesn't. So, while having a secret faction, united in their desire to revive Unicron, works, having them be all the same guy doesn't.
I love this!
Nightbeat needs to be voiced by Jeffery Combs!
context: I'm the one who requested this video.
I really enjoyed this video and I love the concept of sideways having multiple bodies, my only question is are his headmaster minicons their own thing or are they like extensions of sideways?
I thought you were going to play with the head combined mode and make THAT guy the real Sideways. Another fun way to play with that would have been to have the two bike body combine into one body but with both heads on it. Would have been original.
A character I'd like to see again is Rattrap, or at least someone like him: A little greasy guy with an incredible talent for sabotage. The guy had bombs in his forearms! I was always under the impression Rattrap joined the Axalon out of a desire to get away from Cybertron because of something he did. A guy like him who couldn't listen to Optimus at first totally wouldn't join an exploraton vessel because he wanted to. Was he a spy for the Maximals who made too many enemies? A little underground weasel who pissed off someone and needed to get away while the heat died down? Some sort of safe cracker? The guy clearly had skills and I wish his past was explored more. He wasn't a clean good guy and he could pull a mean Die Hard if he wanted to.
Sideways needs a new figure in legacy!
His design is similar to Legacy Animated Prowl (except for the placement of the wheels), so it could made if retooled and given blasters to attach to the forearms. As for the headmaster gimmick, might be too much to ask for two functional mini-figs, unless they made two static head pieces that could fit over the base head to represent his alternating allegiance looks.
@@PrimeTemple20 What was cool about the Headmasters is the both combined to a single motorcycle driver as well to ride Sideways in bike mode.
It probably would be a prowl retool. Though given how hssbro is doing an awesome job with armada in legacy maybe a voyager figure to fit in the budget for both heads. And a new mold for him. As far as repainting it give it his cybertron colors @PrimeTemple20
I like to imagine a Sideways with no allegiances to anyone but himself. He could be a minion/spawn of Unicron, a disciple of Liege Maximo, a member of the Cybertronian Empire, an agent of the Vok, or some other entity out there. Ultimately, though, he's only out for himself.
EDIT: Also, if he were to ever have a holomatter avatar (or his combined headmaster should have a human disguise), it should resemble Sombra from Overwatch, just to fuck with his friends and foes alike.
Sideways is definitely one of the most interesting characters from armada, I have the original release of his toy, and the re-release with animation accurate factions and the minor repaints to the mini cons
He really lives up to name as well, when it comes to switching from Autobot and Decepticon allegiances with his headmasters.
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons:
1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time.
2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it.
Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years.
What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
EDIT: Came for a discussion piece, didn't expect TJ's Story Time! Nice!
Had Sideways been a G1 Decepticon equivalent to Punch-Counterpunch, we'd likely still see at least a toy version every now and then. But within the bounds of reality, I think Sideways is underused for three reasons:
1. His name sounds far too much like the far more popular and well-known Sideswipe (this is also likely the reason we don't see Sideburn from Car Robots/RiD'01).
2. Sideways is a product of his time. His Armada toy was amazing by the standards of Armada releases, and his gimmick was unique and interesting. Not only in that swapping the Minicons on his head also made his faction symbol swap, but also that his Minicons could combine into an actual rider for his motorcycle mode, which is a rarity for Transformers. Additionally, his appearance in the show was intriguing. A double-agent isn't something that's often done, but a triple agent working for Unicron? It really gives some Herald of Galactus vibes.
3. His appearance in Cybertron (the series, hence forth referred to as Galaxy Force to avoid confusion with the Planet of the same name). In Galaxy Force, his toy definitely looked cool, but the way his faction symbol changes is rather dull. And the "he's a double agent but maybe his true loyalties lie elsewhere" trick from the show had just been done to greater success in Armada. Not to mention that Galaxy Force (at least the American Dub) dropped the Planet X storyline as soon as the cast left Gigantion.
I love your story idea for Sideways, you should be head Transformers Writer.
Project Starcatcher and a video of a green metoerite/star thingy. Interesting TJ, interesting
A great write-up, easily a good chunk of a season if not more. The mystery and reveal of Unicorn. Kinda alludes to his golems in TF Prime, but much better executed than "now I'm a hundred big guys."
A pity to write P/CP out. Technically it could work b/c his core bit is different, set up for a one shot psychological drama. But I get it, even if he was elsewhere it would've smacked of "really again?"
it could work if his story was the "split personality-ish" and that makes him constantly miss the presence of sideways
Imagine this if you wanna incorporate the dimension hopper theory: after all of these sideways are defeated, it cuts to one, floating in space, no headmaster in sight, then he goes through a portal, looking for another universe to find another unicron to bring to power. (And if you wanna use your omnibot video you can have them chasing him down too)
Can't wait for the follow up for this video series that a lucky patreon suggested.
That's an awesome story! A shame Punch/Counterpunch was excluded, but I love some Star Seeker love.
Sideways: My name is Legion, for we are many.
I always wished Armada had Sideways be a autobot a bit longer, mainly to really drive that knife of betrayal far deeper. Since he was just introduced than the following episode he switches sides, I hope Hasbro give him a brand new figure downline as he was such a cool character. I ESPECIALLY hope Fans Hobby make a third party version of Sideways, I have their Naval Commander Optimus figure on the way and will be getting their Jetfire figure soon.
One of my absolute favorite characters. Will take a new one anyway i can. Legacy animated prowl would work nicely
my favorite armada character!
Dude, I think you just made Sideways into an Alpha Legionnaire.
Oh my God that sounds like a Twilight zone, or a movie that I think I may have seen but can't remember it, and or I would watch it if it came out! Or it may be that I'm just that twisted and I have the same thought process of you. On any of the ABOVE MENTIONED if there's any way you can submit to a movie or TV company, DO IT!!! Simply you just blew my mind. And I don't even know who Sideways, are? They are plural right? Hick fire sideways now I'm confusing my own self. Thank you for the conundrum, wrapped in a question, boxed in an enigma.😂 Love your channel, and always your servant Warren.
Would love ro see more, sideways is such an interesting character and concept, would love to see him again one day
I like it, it reminds me of the Cylons from the Battlestar Galactica show from the early 2000’s.
Personally I never liked Sideways being connected to Unicron. It didn't actually make any sense because earlier in the series we see Sideways making secret transmissions to Unicron which if he is Unicron himself he should never need to do. There's also an episode where Sideways actively works AGAINST Unicron as the 3 human children are being persude by him while Sideways is saving the humans. And he's already been revealed as a double agent at this point, he has no motivation to want the kids to trust him, he's just helping them with absolutly no benifit towards his own goals.
I wouldn't mind it so much if Sideways were an indipendant character with his own thoughts and opinions but to outright make him and Unicron the same character makes absolutly no sense what so ever and is one of the reasons why I hate Armada more than any other series.
Personally I would just make him a regular Transformer who acts as a spy for both the Autobots and Decepticons.
There is one other thing that is very under utilized when it comes to Sideways and that's the fact that he has 3 heads not 2. The Armada cartoon rarely ever showed Sideways with his real head without a Mini-con attached. If I were to write my own story with the character Crosswise would be the Autobot, Rook would be the Decepticon, and Sideways would be the true identity.
I do kind of like the idea of there being multiple bodies but I think I'd make the reveal be that the Headmasters are actually 2 humans in Exso-Suits piloting human built Transformers mechas. Sideways would be an actual Transformer but not one born on Cybertron. The other 2 are prototypes and the humans have been using those piloted versions to study both Autobots and Decepticons in order to create Sideways, a human built Transformer with a Spark who can think on his own without the need for his human pilot. He still has one who acts as a mentor to Sideways. The humans who created him knew their piloted mech prototypes weren't going to be strong enough to go up against a real transformer so their goal was to create a living Transformer they could influance for their own goals. They would test their theory with the upgraded Sideways who had his own head rather than a headmaster and then stage 3 of their plan was to build Nemesis Prime, a transformer strong enough to rival both Optimus and Megatron but entirely under human control.
I'm basically imagining M.E.C.H. from Transformers Prime but with extra steps cause I like the idea of Sideways being a precurser to Nemesis Prime and having a faction of human built Transformers as it gives humans something to do in the story. We could even throw Nightbird, Stinger, and the Morbots in there as well to boost their ranks and show different stages of delopment as humans learn more about how to reverse engineer Cybertronian technology.
We need a Deluxe Class Nightbeat in Transformers Legacy, and I hope he is a brand new mold.
I just wanted to say Godmaster Optimus/God Ginrai is my favorite design in the franchise
Agreed. It’s a great first attempt at a “super mode” Optimus AND very consistent with Ultra Magnus from a design standpoint. Both are cabover robots that slot into armor formed by their trailers- in almost identical ways (core bot balls up into a cube and slots into the open cavity in the armor).
Cliffhanger?! Come on man I was getting invested too!
He reminds me of DoubleDealer in ways, two mini-cons to change his duel personalities. Next leader of the Pirate faction?
That's an awesome idea either as a concept as a story. Please, bring a continuation of your story in other video!
I have been thinking on how to put Sideways on a story involving double agent plot and Unicron, and still having something to do with Minicons, so that makes a double spy and hive mind Sideways army so fresh!
Also, QR Code Saideways... only in a video about this dude
So this Sideways is Alpharius of TF then.
I won't stop hoping for a Legacy Sideways made from Legacy Prowl.
Not bad but I'd thow in some kind of connection with Punch/Counterpunch if we're keeping to the whole "double agent Sideways" thing
The Raptoricons from IDW definitely count as underused. They're so underutilized there aren't even third party toys of them!
It'd be cool to see Thrashclaw (leader), Slice, Gnash, and Shred in something else.
The Raptoricons were never in IDW. They were only in one prose story and some magazine profiles from Fun Publications.
@@milestinker2178 Ah, my mistake. It's been awhile.
I'm down for what's basically a historically accurate ninja Sideways
Also we need Deluxe Armada Sideways in Transformers Legacy.
I'm gonna play it a bit safe and boring: have him be an edgy Autobot ninja who goes undercover to collect intel with the Decepticons. His Unicron ties actually work better for Rapid Run, his redeco from from Transformers Energon, who I look at as a more inherently evil doppelganger of Sideways.
I'm glad you finally learned Energon and Cybertron aren't actually connected
That’s common fandom knowledge though? As we know Galaxy Force isn’t?
Technically Energon and Cybertron are because those are the English dubs. But the original Japanes versions Super Link and Galaxy Force are not.
Just wondering on something here. What is the info on why and or how Sideways got the 2 bots working for him to switching between the two making a different robotic head for a different faction? Apologies just don’t know if that type of background info on the character was ever covered.
Had me checked out as soon as you said cybertron and armada were never intended to be connected, luckily sideways is my favorite character in the series so I did finish the video.
I am completely convinced with evidence and what cannot be written off as coincidental writing that Energon leading into Cybertron was always the plan until something changed but it was late enough premise, outlines and designs were made with the sequel intention that for the most part Galaxy Force followed through on minus excising direct references to the old series (though a background character in a government scene looks like Alexis, could be cameo could be coincidence idk)
It's not speculation that Galaxy Force wasn't supposed to be a sequel to Superlink, it's straight from Takara. You can draw links but you could do that for most Transformers series based on the tropes of the franchise.
@@TJOmega I don’t think an evil god dying making a time ending black hole is a trope in the franchise, also the unicron trilogy was a joint effort, there’s even an image floating around of a napkin Aaron Archer used to write the outline of an Energon sequel which was written around 04 if I recall and it aligned with Galaxy force close enough to look like an older plan for the story before changes were made
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Unicron died halfway through Energon and there was no black hole in that series. Again, that part was written for the American adaptation to connect Energon and Cybertron, there was no mention of Unicron in Galaxy Force, it was just a black hole.
@@TJOmega episode 30 Primus explains the origin of the black hole as being born of an imbalance of good and evil with the source of said imbalance was the death of an unnamed evil god. Energon Unicron didn’t die halfway through, like Beast Wars Neo showed prior Unicron can live on beyond the death of his body and find new vessels or in Energon’s case an Orb containing his essence which manipulated Megatron and even Prime to an extent both able to tap into its power before exhausting it when Optimus sealed the energy they had inside himself. Then Galvatron destroyed the orb taking the whole essence back into his body Optimus Supreme fight then the Super Energon Orb where Galvatron crashes in along with the essence thus Unicron trapped within… and through that whole summary Unicron did not die only sealed inside an Energon Sun which then the next logical step would be it’s collapse into a black hole… did transformers even have a black hole prior to galaxy force? None that I can remember
Dude, TJ is 100% correct. Galaxy Force and Cybertron are entirely seperate things. The American dub is not a direct translatation of the original Japanese series. Galaxy Force was never intended to be in the same continuity. Cybertron being a sequel is entirely an American thing.
BTW the Kids from Armada and Energon don't even ever appear in Cybertron except for one quick shot that only appears in the American version.
In case you don't know in Japan when a character changes forms they typically keep some part of their original name so Doubleface and Noisemaze are obviously not the same guy. Again them both being called Sideways is entirely an American thing.
As a fan of the marvel multiverse thing, if we ARE talking putting one in transformers, i think they should it kick off by introducing sideways as the big bad of show/movie, with the omnibots as pursuers, it'd be the neatest thing ever
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons:
1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time.
2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it.
Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facebook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years.
What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
@@milestinker2178 ever if it was originally a lie, universe-hopping is the most interesting thing about Sideways. Hasbro has to make it canon
This is a story that would allow hasbro to sell a lot of toys if it was official
I honestly think Armada Sideways would have been a good villain for a Legacy cartoon if we had gotten one. I imagine he might have been the one to tear down the boundaries between universes as part of a plan to unite every universe's Unicron and plunge the entire multiverse into chaos. If he was the first Armada character to start dimension-hopping, then he'd have plenty of chances to pull his faction change gimmick to sow chaos among the Autobots and Decepticons of different universes until other UT characters started showing up who could ruin his fun.
Also, if I may ask, what's the QR code on that one sideways in the crowd artwork for? It was a bit too low-res for my phone camera to pick it up.
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons:
1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time.
2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it.
Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years.
What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
Just think if they made some edits to one of the SS Junkion bodies to make a new Sideways...sigh
Just need some more purple pieces and I'll make him out of Lego.
Hope you'll have a good day
Has he just turned unicorn and sideways into transformers version of the borg
I think this is all interesting, though I'm unsure if Optimus' principles would allow himself to gain an upper hand through such deceptive means. I'm interested what your take on such a scenario like this would be if Optimus denies Sideways' offer to would as a double agent (supposedly) for the Autobot cause.
Considering Punch Counterpunch was under Prime's command in Rebirth, pretty sure he's fine with this. If anything, gaining inside intel like this puts less soldiers and civilians at risk than waiting for Decepticon attacks to happen.
But I like multiversal sideways
Turns out the dimension-hopping aspect of Sideways was born out of a big fat lie. Back in early 2005, some jerk made a false claim online that Takara had ostensibly declared the RobotMasters toy of Sideways to be the same character as the other Sidewayses of the time (those being the RID 2001 and Armada ones). This lie was then told to the staff of TFWiki (who, at that point, were still in the early stages of putting the wiki together in its infancy) and they believed the lie for two reasons:
1) RobotMasters was misunderstood at the time as having characters dimension-hopping from different universes (when, in actuality, it only had characters time traveling within the same single universe); this misunderstanding was due to RobotMasters having not yet been properly translated into English at the time.
2) Some of the wiki's higher staff members simply liked the idea and wanted to believe it was true, never bothering to actually consult the source material of RobotMasters itself to verify if this claim was accurate or not (it wasn't), opting to instead take this guy's word at face value even though he was completely full of it.
Consequently, the wiki went on to treat the Sidewayses of Armada/Cybertron, RID2001, and RobotMasters all as the same guy who can jump to different universes, which led to other creators seeing this idea on the wiki, running with it, and later creating the dimension-hopping Animated Sideways and the multiversal imp Sideways who featured in the Ask Vector Prime Facbook column. It wasn't until late 2022 that the original claim given all the way back in 2005 was finally investigated in full and revealed to have been a big fat hoax all along, one that had the entire fandom fooled for 17 years.
What's more, the guy who made this false claim way back then had also previously been a member of the group responsible for "Scorpion Rain", the biggest, most infamous hoax in the history of the Power Rangers fandom, so he was already no stranger to cooking up nonsense meant to screw around with fandoms long before he made his lie about RobotMasters Sideways.
@@milestinker2178 It didn't have the entire fandom fooled. I never believed the multiversal nonsense when it was always obvious they can't be the same character if you think about it for more than 2 seconds.
Even the Sideways who are SUPPOSE to be the same guy don't work as the same guy. (Mostly because they're actually 2 different characters the American dub tried to force to be the same guy.)
@@RialVestro there a lot of plot holes in transformers lore. Like g1 characters in beast wars having sparks while they were never mentioned in the original transformers cartoon. If we can ignore that why can't we do the same with multiversel Sideways
Hes so cool in armada
There should've been a sideways with your logo lol
I always wanted to create my own transformer show i have my characters created/drawn with their powers and personalities but i think i have to work for hasbro.
This isn't about the video topic, but what kind of stories could you come up with for "Blue Cliff Jumper"?
so xmen 97 is back
i want lyzack to return
what did the second sideways do while he didn't have either headmaster?
In 1d4chan, Sideways is a significant character in the Transformers/Warhammer 40K crossover project.
Someone make this a G1 Season 5.
Anyone try scanning that QR code on the left sideways chest in the group shot?
Yes. I got a 2015 article from The Guardian about a green meteor flying over Poland.
Is one of the faction symbols a QR code lol?
Why did you put a QR code for a 2015 news story involving meteors over Poland on one of the Sideways?
Why indeed.
Do a part 2?
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There, that's how you use it.