We can take any word and run with it. Gotta stand for something. Consistency, passionate, honest, authentic are all words that are mutated into unrecognizable and useless terms having no specific meaning anymore. I love the term, regenerative. Even iPhone recognizes it 😅. 😂 But organic should keep striving to mean what we wanted it to mean for sure. Great to see Dave and JM together for this conversation. Aloha aina 🤙🏽🌺😉
Mr. Chapman os right. People love Buzz Words no real thinkig, no knowledge just how you feel about it. Politicians and Businesses people know that and love any good Buzz Word. The only way to heep ahead of that is to explain, educate as many people as quickly as possible, to what is real and what isn't. I think buy realy good food from a local market garden or farm is the message to start with. Teach people why that can be better food from an honest grower. I have seen some small farms use just as much bad stuff as any agribusiness farm.
I’m so glad that organic farmers have become organic activists in a much bigger way than even my mom was. And that is thanks to the double edged sword of technology.
I grew up in a family-run supermarket. We were were about an hour from Philadelphia in Ocean City, New Jersey mid 2000s The produce distributors got so bad. Dad, my family started going direct to the wholesale market in Philadelphia and also the surrounding farms to pick up their produce. The system is broken on almost every level. I'll never forget we had a 9-year-old man that grew the best silver corn name was herb and he trusted us when it was time to get paid as he didn't know the basic math to Total his payout but trusted our family hIs Farm now grows dune grass for Dune securement when they pump the beaches back every year
Fantastic conversation, love the great history, perspective, and values here. Only thing that didn't sit right was when Dave said (1:20:30) "now women going into academia don't even think about it" regarding sexism in academia. Based on the experiences of my female friends in academia, I think they would disagree with that. It's better, for sure, but still not great.
Is regenerative now “greenwashed”? Ugh. I’m a Montana person and the cows are a part of this culture and I had real hope. Second edit here. Love this conversation and eye opening. I grow for myself and friend’s vegetables. How do we get truth in labeling so we know exactly where our food comes from. Products in general
Save..share..SEEDS... PRACTICE..DO IT ..LIFE ITS NOT ABOUT THEORIES...NOW HERE..WHERE THE ACTION RESIDES.. THE TRILL..THE JOY.... TOMORROW MIGHT NEVER COME .. PEACEwhitin
People forget how dangerous agricultural work is, and organic is much safer for workers. People who say organic isn't worth it haven't seen the awful cancers and lung diseases in conventional farm workers up close.
The really sad part is the average farmer (I live rural) is more prepared to be confrontational than to think about his/their use of toxic chemicals and whether such effects his neighbours or even himself long term. Six years ago, we had half the community turn on us when we objected to a neighbour killing our full garden and checking young orchard trees with his helicopter sprayed herbicides (24-D) for thistles and ragwort (NZ hill country). He refused to compensate our loss of food and so we made a complaint to the local authorities. Lies meant the investigation could not achieve the 'beyond reasonable doubt' to prosecute. We were bullied and intimidated out of the isolated area and moved where helicopters are not used. In the new area I note a farmer has a maize field that runs two sides of rural primary school. That field is sprayed out twice a year. Bizarre that parents have not impacted that operation!
Great show. I’m a big follower of JM I have a question regarding the paper pot transplanter. It’s ok to use it in the US but not here in Canada. Is this an example of, what you were talking about. Because if you use the paper pot transplanter then you are not organic. Here in Canada at least. It’s like picking and choosing what you use based on convenience. That’s ok, but you can not also say we are organic but not 100% organic.
Can you talk about the chemical spraying of organic grown veggies and fruit before it is brought into the US from the southern hemisphere and how loosely the word "organic" is now allowed in our food system? Devastating!
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We are lucky enough to be able to listen to this pod while working in the field.
We can take any word and run with it. Gotta stand for something. Consistency, passionate, honest, authentic are all words that are mutated into unrecognizable and useless terms having no specific meaning anymore.
I love the term, regenerative. Even iPhone recognizes it 😅. 😂
But organic should keep striving to mean what we wanted it to mean for sure.
Great to see Dave and JM together for this conversation.
Aloha aina 🤙🏽🌺😉
Great episode! Can't wait to listen to the next one. Keep it up guys! :)
Wonderful chat!
Great video!
Mr. Chapman os right. People love Buzz Words no real thinkig, no knowledge just how you feel about it. Politicians and Businesses people know that and love any good Buzz Word.
The only way to heep ahead of that is to explain, educate as many people as quickly as possible, to what is real and what isn't.
I think buy realy good food from a local market garden or farm is the message to start with. Teach people why that can be better food from an honest grower. I have seen some small farms use just as much bad stuff as any agribusiness farm.
I’m so glad that organic farmers have become organic activists in a much bigger way than even my
mom was. And that is thanks to the double edged sword of technology.
Great podcast.. we been lucky as biodynamic farmers they haven't ruined our name. Maybe they're early shaming of us was a blessing.
I grew up in a family-run supermarket. We were were about an hour from Philadelphia in Ocean City, New Jersey mid 2000s The produce distributors got so bad. Dad, my family started going direct to the wholesale market in Philadelphia and also the surrounding farms to pick up their produce. The system is broken on almost every level. I'll never forget we had a 9-year-old man that grew the best silver corn name was herb and he trusted us when it was time to get paid as he didn't know the basic math to Total his payout but trusted our family hIs Farm now grows dune grass for Dune securement when they pump the beaches back every year
Fantastic conversation, love the great history, perspective, and values here. Only thing that didn't sit right was when Dave said (1:20:30) "now women going into academia don't even think about it" regarding sexism in academia. Based on the experiences of my female friends in academia, I think they would disagree with that. It's better, for sure, but still not great.
Is regenerative now “greenwashed”? Ugh. I’m a Montana person and the cows are a part of this culture and I had real hope. Second edit here. Love this conversation and eye opening. I grow for myself and friend’s vegetables. How do we get truth in labeling so we know exactly where our food comes from. Products in general
Call it "Not Chemical Farming", buy directly from farmers.
Yep, cows are part of it, it's the easiest production to regenerate
Save..share..SEEDS... PRACTICE..DO IT ..LIFE ITS NOT ABOUT THEORIES...NOW HERE..WHERE THE ACTION RESIDES.. THE TRILL..THE JOY....
TOMORROW MIGHT NEVER COME ..
PEACEwhitin
People forget how dangerous agricultural work is, and organic is much safer for workers. People who say organic isn't worth it haven't seen the awful cancers and lung diseases in conventional farm workers up close.
Yes! And for neighbors and eaters too.
The really sad part is the average farmer (I live rural) is more prepared to be confrontational than to think about his/their use of toxic chemicals and whether such effects his neighbours or even himself long term. Six years ago, we had half the community turn on us when we objected to a neighbour killing our full garden and checking young orchard trees with his helicopter sprayed herbicides (24-D) for thistles and ragwort (NZ hill country). He refused to compensate our loss of food and so we made a complaint to the local authorities. Lies meant the investigation could not achieve the 'beyond reasonable doubt' to prosecute. We were bullied and intimidated out of the isolated area and moved where helicopters are not used.
In the new area I note a farmer has a maize field that runs two sides of rural primary school. That field is sprayed out twice a year. Bizarre that parents have not impacted that operation!
Could it be better to use the term "healthy living soil"? That term seems to me hard to be taken (stolen) by the chemical companies.
Agree, but that is what is happening. No words are sacred.
Great show.
I’m a big follower of JM
I have a question regarding the paper pot transplanter.
It’s ok to use it in the US but not here in Canada.
Is this an example of, what you were talking about.
Because if you use the paper pot transplanter then you are not organic.
Here in Canada at least.
It’s like picking and choosing what you use based on convenience.
That’s ok, but you can not also say we are organic but not 100% organic.
I did not know that Organic needed saving.
my parents were a couple of those hard asses as you said 😊
Can you talk about the chemical spraying of organic grown veggies and fruit before it is brought into the US from the southern hemisphere and how loosely the word "organic" is now allowed in our food system? Devastating!
you guys are all starting to sound like my mom and that poster looks like a poster she had
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