Most reviewers fawn over the basses they review and rarely ever mention the negatives, if any. So I appreciate your candidness. Going by what you've said, I'd probably go with the V5 or the Squier Paranormal in butterscotch, if considering a jazz style. Even your cat gave the V7V the benefit of the doubt, but walked (jumped) halfway through.
This is a great review. I just bought the Vintage V7 in White Blonde - before seeing this review. I don't think it would have changed my mind. I really like the bass. I ordered good aluminum replacement knobs and an AlBridge replacement Sire Bridge. The bass is beautiful and sounds fantastic. I stand by my purchase 😂
Thank you! To be fair, my V7 vintage is like one of my most played and favorite basses - after all the mods. The bones, like all Sires, are absolutely spectacular. Upgrading the hardware and electronics made this bass THE Jazz bass in my stable. I stand by my critique of the preamp- having the same preamp in the V3 and the V7 IMO reduces the value in my opinion. That's why I think they nailed it with the V5. V7 bones and hardware (not a fan of the V3 hardware), passive electronics. IMO I can't think of a more perfect blank canvas for a Jazz.
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when it comes to preamp knobs, it's "never too much"
I got the V7 5-string (v2) with the swamp ash body. I have to say that I barely use the preamp, but the V5 wasn't released when I purchased it. Looking back from now I would probably buy the V5 in natural. The knobs aren't a deal breaker to me, as the Harley Benton Knobs from Thomann fit on the Sire pots. So in case you wan't chrome knobs or something, just spend a few quid and the problem is solved. Be warned though, the Sire pots are made of a relatively soft material and the Harley Benton knobs have "screws". So don't tight them up too much. Overall the V7 was a real eye opener though. I also have an AM Fender Standard Jazz Bass from 2012 and in terms of quality I don't really see any difference. Yes, I really don't. For example the neck pocket on my Sire was definitely cut more precise than the one on my Fender. Considering that the AM Professional basses now cost even more than the AM Standards, I don't see any reason why you would ever spend so much for a J-Bass nowadays. The MIM Fenders might be a different thing, but considering the price and looks of the Sire I would suggest to buy the V5. But don't get me wrong, I love my AM Fender Standard. :) Regards
Oooo! 7 knobs on the preamp! What is the world coming to?! What's the big deal, We remember our friends' names, where different foods and products are in the aisles of a supermarket, the names of the players of our favorite sports team, the names of our favorite songs of our favorite groups on our favorite albums, etc, etc... I have a Specter and if I move either of the volume knobs up on the bridge or neck pick up 1/4 of an inch the tone changes which is great! I think all the knobs on the Sire are fantastic and allows you to shape many sounds for many different types of songs & genres. I for one love it!! Way to go Marcus! Keep up the great work bro!!!
Awesome! I have some great V3 stuff coming very soon, will be comparing a ton of different preamp options using a stock V3 as a platform! Honestly, V3 is one of the best value entry-level Jazz basses out there.
I have the V7 and compared the v3 and v5, the punch is better, and has warmer tones. It is more expensive but has a standard bridge. I wish it had the roasted maple neck. I couldn't get the V5 or the V3, both were sold out at the time os V7 is all they had. I had to pay more for it but the build quality is much better than most bass at the same price point.
I'm still enjoying my V7 5 that got in 2016!!! The only things that I replaced are the plastic knobs with metal ones, the pickup covers, and the tuners. I've tried a number of string brands and have settled on DR High Beams and Fat Beams. I've bought and sold many basses but this one ain't going anywhere!!!
Hi Lobster, I own two sire vintage basses which I play through my Ebs rig. I must say for the money they sound amazing!! Yes the “Marcus” tone is there all day and the preamp knobs are not the best which I have changed but your reviews are always spot on! 👍🏾🙏🏿
Great video, once again! Since I'm on the market for a JB with 70's pickup spacing (and for me this seems to make a gigantic difference when compared to 60s spacing), here are my thoughts: V7 vintage ash seems to be kind of a "one trick pony" for the Miller sound. I guess the V7 vintage alder could be a better choice soundwise, more balanced and versatile, and cheaper, but I've never played one. Perhaps you could review one of those... The Cort GB64jj seemed to be really nice, great features and good price, but sounded really harsh (and the pre didn't seem to compensate for this effectively) and pretty much in the Miller sound territory, so, not very much versatile as well. The V5 for me is probably the best choice, considering the vintage 70's tone and look - the roasted neck is also a bonus; I just wish it had a more conventional body wood. The Squier CV 70's, 4 string version, is also a good bass for the money, I guess, but I think you get a lot more bass for little more money with the V5. In favour of the Sire 7 knob active preamp, I have to say that one could very often benifit of the 3 band EQ on top of a tweaked tone control; I think I want to play around with one of those for a bit to make my mind about it better. So.... My strongest contestant for a 70s JB is probably a V5. Cheers!
You are right on the money with your observations. I bought the V7 Vintage (Alder but same color) as my first bass 5 years ago so it was only one of two models they made at the time. It is well built but my biggest gripe was the weight. Being newer I hadn't realized until I played a few other basses that it was the source of some RSI symptoms I was getting. I replaced it with Fender Player series which I'm very happy with...after upgrading the tuners. Love your reviews!
This is the best review of the Sire V7 I have seen. I live in a small town in the Pyrenees and when I go down to the big city I try to test a lot of basses. On this occasion I was able to try the V7 and the V5. The V7 is a worse quality bass than the V5. Unfortunately I could not compare it with a V3. But at least the V3 is cheaper, which allows you to completely change the hardware without having spent a lot on the cabinet which doesn't seem much inferior to the V7. A separate mention is the master volume and tone button in one. It is very sensitive and you have to be careful when you want to change any parameter of these two, because you can easily change the other one too. Very bad solution from Sire... I think without having tried it, it is a better solution to buy a V3 and put the great Sadowsky preamp, which is easy to use and of a great quality. Thanks LEL for doing such a good review, with the only compromise of your experience. You are great!
Hey Lobster, I have the V7 (non-vintage) and V5 . I like the V5 better for its standard jazz bass feel , the quality of the two are the same. My V7 has the metallic red (alder) with the bound ebony board , I play it in passive mode most of the time . I bought mine about a year ago new and it was around the $600 Mark . If I had to make a choice between the V5 and the V7 , I would keep the V5.
I used to own a V7. It was the first bass I sold within six months of getting it .... and that was when they were good value. At that 700 - 800 price range the Yamaha BB734/5a is far better value. I own a V5 Sire and it’s a superb instrument. If gigging ever returns my V5 and BB735a are what I’ll be going out with.
I can get a new 5 string V7 for only $45 more than a new 5 string V5, is it a no brainer? My thinking is that the V7 in passive mode is just a V5 basically it seems, and the extra controls are removed from the equation right?
One thing about Sires is you have to watch where the pickups are wired to the preamp. The preamp doesn't have holes for the wires to go through. There's little copper plates. I got a V7 Gen 2 and it didn't sound quite right compared to my Fender so I looked at some of the connections on the preamp, heated up some of the connections while pressing down on the wires. Finally the sound was there. I so wish the preamps just had holes for the wires to go through.
Swapped the knobs over to metal ones on my V7, EMG for the dual concentric pots and cheap push fit ones for the regular pots. The low diameter of the EMG knobs helps massively with quick adjustments. It's a gen1 with upgrades which I've gigged as my main bass for years now, take it out over luthier builds and Warwicks.
Thank you and great comment! Yours sounds killer. I have some Dimarzios coming for this, already swapped the pre to sadowsky :). I very much dig it and intend on replacing at least the tuners.
@@LowEndLobster I picked up cheap used parts for it over a couple of years, got some great deals on a set of Schallers and some Nordstrands. Only thing I got new was the bridge which is a pain to replace as the string thru holes aren't in a standard place, a Gotoh 404 works which is what I have.
One spec that people may not have looked at. This is a 7.25" radius fingerboard and narrow frets. Non-Vintage are 9.5" radius and medium frets. It's something to know if you like one or the other or don't even care.
Indeed! I need to do a revisit to talk about that stuff. It's not something I regularly mention in my reviews but really should. I recently put together a J with one of those Fender roasted maple Vintera necks with the 7.25" radius and I loooooove it. The modern ones have the 9.5" radius, and that's what my DIY P has, but the 7.25" radius on the Vintera neck is sweet as well.
My favourite preamp setting now is everything at center (tone at full, both pickups) except mid freqs - I turned the sweep knob 45 degrees to the back and cut it all the way. With slightly boosted low mids and slightly cut high mids on my EHX Battalion I achieved really nice warm sound - and a believable P - bass sound with only front pickup.
Nice! I agree with those preamp settings, honestly the options are nice but aren't needed. I just popped a Sadowsky preamp into this bass (vid coming!) and it suits it MUCH better.
Respect from Dublin Ireland. Your funny! Nice, nice player. And a solid honest reviewer. I have a V3 €350. Also replaced the knobs for nice knurled chome ones.
Those pickups aren't in the other Sire basses. They are specially wound and magnetized to sound like an older bass. It just has that grind. I have an alder, 2nd gen V7 Vintage but I don't play it much because of the neck radius (different from the V7) and the rolled edges are not my favorite. It sounds very much like my Fender MIJ Marcus sig. Hard to beat either for a vintage sound. I agree, it's slightly over priced as well. Good review, although I would've given at least 3 claws 😀
I've owned a few Sires (v7 and p7) for a few years now - great sounding basses BUT I'm not immune to the flaws... The knobs are rubbish, the hardware average... But the weight is a killer! My 5 strings average 10.5 lbs and my back is telling me enough is enough, every time I pick up the bass my back complains loudly. Lighter basses are imminent. Eyeing up an Ibanez EHB or a Sandberg superlight.
Thanks Pat! Oof that is a bit of a boat anchor. I've lucked out with the Sires I've had thus far, but haven't tried a 5'er yet (I have one here that I haven't tested yet). Great comment!
The V7 Vintage also has a smaller fret board radius than the all the others if that's what your in to. I have a V5 fretless on order now, 3 more months till it arrives. I suppose I'll check out your review on that in the meantime.
.......you’re a locking nut. Awesome, I’m glad you finally checked this one out. I got the V7 (1st edition) last year. Used of course (299 +tax) and thought, for the price, look and ridiculous options (that I don’t use, because I have a bad habit of leaving the cord plugged in and wake up to dead batteries), that it looked played and sounded pretty good. My biggest problem with it is that it’s pretty fecken heavy (and I play my Ric 90% of the time.) Also it’s the natural (color) and maple/with white blocks fretboard. Also being 1st edition, it doesn’t have the cool roll over frets. But, at that price, with what I already know about the V7.NO FECKEN WAY would I recommend it either. If you find a used one real cheap and you don’t stand when you play it, it’s real nice. I think you nailed this review. Thank you for sharing. You’re awesome lobster!!!!(Just in case no one has said so lately) Cheers.
Nice video! This made me pretty happy the V5 exists. The V7 as such has been around for a while now and is available lefty which is why I've been eyeing it every now and then. However, the preamp that seems to be centered around that glassy Marcus tone always turned me off because that's not really the sound I look for in a bass anymore. I'm getting the feeling a V5 might just be the bass for me.
Worth noting that the Vintage models have the Bridge Pickup further back towards the bridge than the regular non-'Vintage' My Gen 1 non-'Vintage' alder body V7 came in at €438 in 2017 . I went alder as it suited my finger style playing a little more than the brighter swamp ash. I like my actives. My #1 is my Modulus Q5, so the Knob Array doesn't phase me at all. I AM going to try that Capacitor mod on the passive Master Tone though 👍🏼
@@LowEndLobster I've not played the Vintage V7 model but I think I made the right choice back then, for me that is, going for the Standard V7. Heavy though 9.9lb (4.5kg) !! I'm so glad I stumbled upon this vid. Last night I was noodling with Quanta by Audio Damage and recorded some 'Granulated Frogs'. 🙄 Just now, I added some V7 with a little mangled reverb to take away the 'Dryness'. So far, it's working. 👍🏼 Having fun anyway. 🤪 Be Safe.
I tried this bass once, tho' only in passive mode since the batteries where missing. I was not really impressed by it. happy to see that i'm not the only one.
Locking nuts, topless and holiday knobs will quickly become new bass nomenclature thanks to the Sire V7. 🦞, have you thought about starting your own bass company? You seem to have a good grasp on what players like and need.
I was considering Sire when I wanted to buy a Jazz, but as I wanted to sound more like Geddy Lee than Marcus Miller, and I was tired with always tweeking the knobs in an active ATK, I went with a passive Fender Player. TBH I would buy Sire, but I couldn't decide on the model. I wanted "the best", but the higher models are different only visually. And I wanted alder + maple fretboard.
Good review and I think you were very fair. I think they have improved the tuners and I really like the rolled edges to the fret board. I also think these basses sound very good. I hate the bridge design and I think the pre amp is pretty complicated. Would like to see a passive P bass style with the roasted neck for around $500. I agree that the V5 is a better deal. I do give Sire credit for improving the bass over the first generation model. Going to try thier sort scale passive P.
I tried the A/RW V7 Vintage 5 string and It sounded great however I went with the Fender Professional because obviously the value is better and it was just a better bass
Seen a few touring bassists perform with Sire 5 strings, ran through an Aguilar 350 tone hammer and Aguilar 4x10 cabinet and house sound board ( Hollywood Bowl ) the bass sounded great. Not which Sire 5 string it was.
Thanks once more for your no BS opinions. I'm more of a P person, I rarely use the J pick up on my PJ, I was considering the P7, as apparently everyone considers both the V7 and the P7 amazing instruments for the money. Well, I guess I have to hope for an unlikely P5 😛or look elsewhere.
I'd love to get a Sire, but that shipping! Haven't seen many locally - and most people want more than what a new one would cost shipped from the UK to the states for their used instrument.
Sire seems to have their priorities set too straight. Where they do seem to invest in the pickups and pre amp and V5 and above, even the quality. All the other things they skimp out on, it just gives the impression that they were like "eh, fuck it lol" like the fit and finish, the knobs, tuners and the bridge. They take pride in their pre amp and they put the pre amp on every bass which is dope but it just seems like something not for everyone, it's a bit too much. All in all they're great basses, just not for me. The smaller things which I mentioned end up making a larger chunk of the end user experience of getting what they paid for, just feeling something premium in their hands yaknow? You turn the knobs you get a good feel with some tasty resistance, you string it through a good bridge, tune it up, tuners feeling smooth and thing stays in tune. All this makes your $750-$800 a little more justified. I'd rather spend the $700 on a Cort A4.
Great comment my friend! Hit the nail on the head. The Corts at this price point are a way better value and have much higher quality hardware. Hell the $450 GB64jj had hum cancelling pickups!
@@LowEndLobster exactly! Now of course the $750 V7 is better than the the $750 MIM J basses for sure but you can get better. Cort has the GB74JJ too which is in the $600 range and has a badass bridge, hipshot tuners, a MUUCCHHHH nicer neck and a more simple and useable 2 band EQ (imo)
Having owned a 5 string V7, i wouldnt recommend the 5er. HUGE neck dive on the 5 (worst ive ever experienced), hardware is pretty poor, especially tuners, and im not a fan of the bridge design at all - i actually cant get enough room on it to properly intonate the bass. Mine has some dodgy fretwork too that needed sorting. The preamp really is amazing but that's about all these basses have going for them over something like a squier or fender IMHO. Great vid as always, i agree with the bridge pup not getting the traditional J sound
@@LowEndLobster i cant speak for the v5 but id guess it was similar/worse in those areas. That Sadowsky metro express turn up yet? Im considering a 5er of those to replace my V7 5, but there isnt much info about them atm
My vintage v7 will be in next week good review for me seeing that what the bass does well is why I'm buying it I have a p7 4 string lakland 5 which is my main bass a killer but when I'm doing old school r&b p7 passive just p pickups old school 70's funky stuff I can use the vintage on that and for everything else or the above styles my lakland so it suits my needs willnt be my main just 1 to do damage with great review
Thanks Calvin! The V7 is just a great bass that needs some massaging to differentiate it a bit more from the V3. Of the V series, the V5 is my favorite in terms of value and quality. P7 is a great bass and IMO one of the best Sires.
i'm deciding between harley benton gotoh and v5 right now being a beginner. it was stunning to me how many v7 are there on second hand market. just checking today you can get 5 in my region
Can you install a shadowsky onboard preamp on a V5? It would be actually cheaper that getting the V7V, but you'd have to drill a hole in it. Would you do that to a V5?
You could, but as you said you'd need to drill for the side jack. I'd personally get the John East J-01 drop in Jazz that has the same setup as the Sadowsky but with two stacks and the jack on the control plate.
I owned this gen 1 model. Swapped my Yamaha BB735A for it. IMHO that was a mistake and I want another Yamaha. Mine tho was a 1st gen. How's the weight?
What bass do you recommend for a Marcus Miller-like slap sound under $ 800 Sire V7 vintage swamp ash? Squier CV70's? would the Fender Marcus Miller be better (but more expensive)? Thanks!
Sire V5, Cort GB64/74JJ, ESP LTD GB4, are a few. Hell, my V7 nails the tone especially once I put the Sadowsky preamp in there. That being said, you can put the Sadowsky into a cheaper bass with nice pickups and get a similar effect.
@@LowEndLobster Thanks for answering! the problem is that I would like it to have the bridge pickup in 70’s position and that reduces the options, but I will look at the basses you have recommended, thanks again and thanks for the videos!
Is the passive mode on the V7 the same as the V5? I'm pretty dead set on the regular V7 with the 70s spacing and ebony fingerboard. Now cause of you I'm looking at V5s and P5s and contemplating a fretless 😅
Hi Lobster, Brilliant review, love the tone you're getting out of the bass. I own a Sire V9 Ash 4 string, Do you think I can use 45-105 gauge for the bass? I haven't found much information on this online. Thanks
Excellent video! Sire basses generally appear to be a really solid value for the money but the price of the V7 new is a bit of a bummer. That said, when you were riffing over Run For Cover it really nailed that Marcus tone. I suppose Sire is trying to have a bass for (almost) every price point?
Is it my imagination or does the U5 do "Jazz bass" much more competently than the V7? Every time i go online to research these two instruments I feel like I'm going mad! For such a smaller price point too!
Yeah the 5 series in general, M5, U5, V5 and even the upcoming P5 and D5 look to be killer values. I think the V7 and above need a serious refresher to stay relevant among the model lineup
Good review and excellent playing, but I have to disagree with some of your opinions. I currently own a 1st generation V7 vintage (exactly like yours - white ash) and it's my #1 gigging bass. I have previously owned both a fretted and fretless V7 (alder bodied, rosewood fretboards). At the time, there were no V3 or V5s yet, and the V7 vintage offered several improvements over the standard V7s for me (70' bridge PUP spacing, 7.25" radius, maple fretboard, more color options, etc). I'm also left handed. Even at the higher price now, there are simply NO active J basses for lefties out there at this price point with these features. Can't really complain about, "All the knobs and EQ choices" when you're talking about an active J, and while I agree, the stacked knobs sit a bit too high, the quality of them is not all that different than standard J knobs you'd find on a Squier or Mexican Fender J. I've done hundreds of shows with my V7 vintage, and never had any issues with the knobs. Having an onboard active preamp i invaluable to me, a I can cover virtually any tone I need. The "V2" options now - rolled fingerboard, wooden battery compartment, etc. are all unnecessary, IMO. Bet deal out there is likely to find a used 1st generation V7.
Thanks and great comment! My gripes with the preamp are my opinion, and I do my best to address those items with mods vs just complaining for the sake of it. My V7 vintage post mods is one of my favorite J basses. Sire's build quality of the necks and bodies is killer, and I like the pickups as well. The hardware, preamp, and lacking battery doors are my biggest gripes but I've addressed those with an AlBridge drop on replacement bridge, Sadowsky preamp, and Hipshot ultra lite tuners (not worth it to address the battery door situation with mods imo). I think the more simplistic boost only two band of the Sadowsky combined with their vintage tone control definitely fit the J bass vibe better than the Sire one IMO. I find the preamp better suited for the M series or P series, but overall I'm pretty neutral on it. I just replaced my P10 preamp with a John East and IMO get a lot more clarity and zing to the tone. Moral of the story, bass is fun and I'm glad you're enjoying your V7!
@@LowEndLobster Well they do have a passive/active switch on them, so you could always just bypass the preamp. But I have no doubt your mods greatly improved yours. One other thing I forgot to mention on my lefty: it has true lefty pots with incremental taper, which is nearly non-existent on other company's lefty offerings. The earlier cheap plastic battery compartment covers always broke, and mine were no exception, but for $10 on Amazon I bought replacement plastic ones that have held up fine. The wooden compartment they have now (which they see as an improvement worth charging more $ for) would annoy me, as I don't like the idea of having to unscrew a cover to replace batteries, given the flip up plastic ones are much quicker. My mods have been: battery covers replaced, pickups replaced with DiMarzio DP123s (humbucking), Hipshot drop D tuner, a bass ramp I made myself, and The Bass Mute (bass mute.eu). This bass can do it all for me. Extremely versatile now.
i ordered a v7 1gen 2 years ago from thomann...i was really impressed with the tone and overall quality, however i ended up retourning it...it had fret buzz all over the fretboard which i was not able to fix...also i think the preamp sounds really good... but 2 batteries...meh...also i think i am more of a precision guy overall, i like huge baseball bat necks...also like humbuckers in my basses...i would really like to know your opinion on Sandberg basses!? the company is about a 1 1/2 hour drive from where i live;)
I got a V7 2nd Gen from Thomann and returned it. I actually even took two days off to drive there and return it myself, so I could test some other basses. Because buying instruments online is basically a bad idea. On my way back home, I stopped at another music store. Okay, I got extremely lucky, there! It's a story too long to tell, now. However, I ended up getting a NOS fresh out of the box old style (-2015) Sandberg Cali for 775 €. There are worlds between the Sandberg and the Sire! Sandberg is a weird company to me. I never understood or even liked their concept. However, their basses are worth every single cent and I'm so happy to have one instead of the Sire V7. I'd rather buy a used Cali than a new V7. Unfortunately, I do not know how their inexpensive Electra series competes. As far as I know, they are also plek'd, just like the more expensive ones. That will give them quite an advantage over the competition.
What other recommendations aside from sire do you have for a bass under 850? I'm a guitar player looking for something for recording, and find myself favoring the jazz bass sound.
Great question! My recommendation to you sir is not aside from sire, but their V5! IMO a MUCH better value and very solid passive bass that is substantially less than the V7 in this video is new. In regards to drop in preamps, I fitted this very bass in this video with a Sadowsky preamp drop in and it is AWESOME. I want to check out the Audere and (re)check out the J-retro. Also I have a civic too! :)
I don't think I'll be doing a V9 as that model is discontinued, but I have a V8 review coming up looking at the points I brought up in this review. I've reviewed an M2 a while ago, but I feel like I should revisit it at some point as I have an M5 and M7 already in my stable (the M2 was Bully's)
@@LowEndLobster, have you played a V9 at all? I've played an M2 and really liked it, but I've never tried a V9 before./ Do you know why it was discontinued?
Sweet! I love mine too after I swapped out the preamp with the Sadowsky drop in unit, really brought it to life. I didn't think I'd be keeping it around... but here we are and it's still with me :)
Wow! I think this one sounds better than the regular V7 But I'm actually undecided which bass should I buy between the V7 vintage or the Fender Vintera 70's jazz bass, because theh both have that Marcus Miller sound Let me know your opinion 😊
I had a V7 but moved it on. The pre amp which is it main selling point is ok but the tuners, bridge and knobs feel and look cheap plus the one I had was almost 10 lb`s. The Vintera is plug in and play, with the V7 I was always playing with the eq to get a sound. Plus the re sale value compared to the Fender is crap. As Lob says, V5 might be a better bet.
Thanks EJ and Jerry! Jerry hit the nail on the head, and that's exactly why I think the V5's are a much better instrument overall. Less money than the V7 but IMO feels a lot more premium.
I think so, too. And they added features that no one really needs, like the rolled fretboard edges, wooden battery covers or the pickup covers, instead of keeping it simple and affordable.
When Sire came out you could get new a Musicman Stingray for $1300. Fender American Standard was $1100. Seems like Sire’s increased price is in line with the market. There are way better values now.
I got to completely disagree with both of you there, the rolled edges are a major difference and the slightly different neck contour . They only people who would say rolled edges are something no one needs is someone who has A never played a vintage bass or never played a very expensive fodera or alike , There is nothing worst than feeling frets cut your fingers up sliding up and down the neck , like on every fender made after 1982 I have owned hundreds of basses over the years and mostly now play pre CBS fender 59 P 63 P and 61 J , and the sire V5 neck is the closest neck I’ve ever played to a vintage feeling fender , so much so I haven’t picked my 61 for a while and it will not be coming out on tour anymore either the V5 is that good. And considering the V5 is $100 cheaper than the original V7 your argument doesn’t really work does it? I played a good few first generations and they were ok but just ok, the neck on the new basses has lifted sire’s game far above any of the competition And actually makes it far far far more better buy than any of the originals anything fender makes right up to the custom shop so much so I actually sold my CS fender 59 touring bass , these eat them alive, so much so recording my band latest album the sire beat the 61 J every time sounded much better every time . And just to add the sire was in the U.K. £399 my 61 J is now worth £8000 ish so erm ... that argument again is ?
The V8 addressed a lot of my complaints here. This was also an earlier video, and my views on things like single coils have changed (though my criticism of the preamp remains)
Pickup placement is a big deal. The vintage has the 70s location and I think the V3 has the 60s position. For those of us who want that Marcus sound that would be a deal breaker. I think the V7 you have is about as good as it gets. Who cares about the knobs. Buy some you like on Amazon.
i watched both your v5 and v7 videos and i was thinking to buy v5 then i found a used v7 1st gen which is %20 cheaper also in very good shape. now i am confused, which one do you suggest?
Both are solid. I'm not a fan of the preamp in the V7 because it's a bit convoluted. For simplicity, I like the V5 but the V7 is a little more flexible. I'd probably go for the V5 as the 1st gens are missing features of current sites like the rolled fingerboard edges
I play a fretless squier 60's CV, I'm thinking on getting a new one, already asked you about the V5 but since rn it seems impossible to get is the V7 a good upgrade??
@@HappyChillmore I believe this model isn't really offered anymore and was replaced with the V8. The reason I rated it as such is because of the price, the electronics (same preamp as V3, pickups not very different), and the hardware. You pay a big premium for the V7 Vintage Ash over a regular V7, and IMO I didn't really think the price increase was worth it given that the hardware and electronics are basically the same. I like how Sire went back and added features to the V8 to add value, and IMO I think it worked. We have a V8 coming soon and I'm excited to check it out. Roasted maple neck, better bridge, gig bag included. The electronics are still a sticking point for me as there's not much differentiation in the V series, but Sire is moving in the right direction for sure IMO.
You are correct! However, I did something about both of these things and it's currently my go-to jazz bass. I absolutely love this bass. Here's that vid showing the mods (not the actual process but the end result)- ruclips.net/video/CQJGl2de6vA/видео.html
Yes, V7 having more bells and whistles but worse quality hardware IMO. I'd play both and see what sounds best to you if you have the opportunity. Lots of shops have solid return policies because of COVID- take advantage of this to get the instrument you want (but be respectful and don't over-do it!).
I love your cat!!!!.......the bass is OK but I prefer my normal V7 2nd generation. Prefer the satin finish on the back of the neck and the pearloid block markers. I hate the black on maple look of the vintage!
That's a bummer. Mine have been pretty consistent in regards to playability. Solid fret jobs and great playing necks, it's usually the electronics and hardware that are the sticking points for me on these Sires.
Great question Adam! I haven't played the 74, but I've played and reviewed the 64 that's $450, and honestly I think it's a much more complete package. I'd imagine that the 74 with it's higher end hardware (hipshots) would be an even better value. I also appreciate the much more 'to the point' preamp of the Corts.
I would still like to see the Vintage Icon relic models (basically the Jaco and Geddy models) against the V5 (they're about $500USD new, free shipping). I'm not sure what other traditional J basses are that are really that interesting in that slot besides the harder to source ones like Edwards or Dame. I don't remember if FGN makes a J bass that's ~$500 USD, shipped. ESP makes insanely wicked J basses, but again, they're just really good J basses that you'd need to really upscale to like the 2k-4k tier to even really start getting apples/apples. ruclips.net/video/_FKhnOiCG5U/видео.html Oh my. I did not know that Vintage guitars made a "reissue" series Stingray. huh. Vintage V964 Reissued Series Active Vintage - V964NAT - Reissued Four String Electric Guitar - Natural Brand New $449.95 Free Shipping
Lobster sorry but I can't agree with you, I have the V5, the V10 and I already had the three v7 and a vintage v7 and the vintage V7 is much superior to the v3, now the v3 is an excellent low for the price it has; ) I bought my new vintage v7 for 500 €, now they have gone up in price, but it is just beware that they go down a lot;) I love the pre of sire, and live performance it´s top ;) Best regards
Thanks Vitor! No need to apologize my friend! I give my own opinions, but my unaltered sound clips are a much more unbiased representation that can help people decide. My gripes are not everyone's gripes, we are all different :).
@@LowEndLobster Yes, I know, everyone has their own vision, I love watching your videos and I am always attentive and agree with everything I've said to you so far, but I just didn't agree with this one :) I may also have been lucky to buy the bass. A hug
Most reviewers fawn over the basses they review and rarely ever mention the negatives, if any. So I appreciate your candidness. Going by what you've said, I'd probably go with the V5 or the Squier Paranormal in butterscotch, if considering a jazz style. Even your cat gave the V7V the benefit of the doubt, but walked (jumped) halfway through.
Thanks Benger! I really appreciate that :).
“A different knob for every day of the week “ lol
Great review!
Im making the same decision. Which did you pick and why?
I know I'm supposed to be watching the bass, but I had to watch this a second time because I kept looking at the cat 😻😅
This is a great review. I just bought the Vintage V7 in White Blonde - before seeing this review. I don't think it would have changed my mind. I really like the bass. I ordered good aluminum replacement knobs and an AlBridge replacement Sire Bridge. The bass is beautiful and sounds fantastic. I stand by my purchase 😂
Thank you! To be fair, my V7 vintage is like one of my most played and favorite basses - after all the mods. The bones, like all Sires, are absolutely spectacular. Upgrading the hardware and electronics made this bass THE Jazz bass in my stable. I stand by my critique of the preamp- having the same preamp in the V3 and the V7 IMO reduces the value in my opinion. That's why I think they nailed it with the V5. V7 bones and hardware (not a fan of the V3 hardware), passive electronics. IMO I can't think of a more perfect blank canvas for a Jazz.
when it comes to preamp knobs, it's "never too much"
lol
MOAR KNERBS! ;P
A thousand slaps from this bass is never too much!
I got the V7 5-string (v2) with the swamp ash body. I have to say that I barely use the preamp, but the V5 wasn't released when I purchased it. Looking back from now I would probably buy the V5 in natural.
The knobs aren't a deal breaker to me, as the Harley Benton Knobs from Thomann fit on the Sire pots. So in case you wan't chrome knobs or something, just spend a few quid and the problem is solved. Be warned though, the Sire pots are made of a relatively soft material and the Harley Benton knobs have "screws". So don't tight them up too much.
Overall the V7 was a real eye opener though. I also have an AM Fender Standard Jazz Bass from 2012 and in terms of quality I don't really see any difference.
Yes, I really don't. For example the neck pocket on my Sire was definitely cut more precise than the one on my Fender. Considering that the AM Professional basses now cost even more than the AM Standards, I don't see any reason why you would ever spend so much for a J-Bass nowadays. The MIM Fenders might be a different thing, but considering the price and looks of the Sire I would suggest to buy the V5.
But don't get me wrong, I love my AM Fender Standard. :)
Regards
Great comment Al!
Oooo! 7 knobs on the preamp! What is the world coming to?! What's the big deal, We remember our friends' names, where different foods and products are in the aisles of a supermarket, the names of the players of our favorite sports team, the names of our favorite songs of our favorite groups on our favorite albums, etc, etc... I have a Specter and if I move either of the volume knobs up on the bridge or neck pick up 1/4 of an inch the tone changes which is great! I think all the knobs on the Sire are fantastic and allows you to shape many sounds for many different types of songs & genres. I for one love it!! Way to go Marcus! Keep up the great work bro!!!
I got a V3 about two years ago and have nothing to complain. After this review, I have even less to complain. ;) Thanks
Awesome! I have some great V3 stuff coming very soon, will be comparing a ton of different preamp options using a stock V3 as a platform! Honestly, V3 is one of the best value entry-level Jazz basses out there.
I have the V7 and compared the v3 and v5, the punch is better, and has warmer tones. It is more expensive but has a standard bridge. I wish it had the roasted maple neck. I couldn't get the V5 or the V3, both were sold out at the time os V7 is all they had. I had to pay more for it but the build quality is much better than most bass at the same price point.
Thanks Quan! Great comment
Finally an honest review. People go crazy when you say something negative about Sire basses
I'm still enjoying my V7 5 that got in 2016!!! The only things that I replaced are the plastic knobs with metal ones, the pickup covers, and the tuners. I've tried a number of string brands and have settled on DR High Beams and Fat Beams. I've bought and sold many basses but this one ain't going anywhere!!!
Hi Lobster, I own two sire vintage basses which I play through my Ebs rig. I must say for the money they sound amazing!! Yes the “Marcus” tone is there all day and the preamp knobs are not the best which I have changed but your reviews are always spot on! 👍🏾🙏🏿
Thanks Trevor! :)
Great video, once again! Since I'm on the market for a JB with 70's pickup spacing (and for me this seems to make a gigantic difference when compared to 60s spacing), here are my thoughts: V7 vintage ash seems to be kind of a "one trick pony" for the Miller sound. I guess the V7 vintage alder could be a better choice soundwise, more balanced and versatile, and cheaper, but I've never played one. Perhaps you could review one of those... The Cort GB64jj seemed to be really nice, great features and good price, but sounded really harsh (and the pre didn't seem to compensate for this effectively) and pretty much in the Miller sound territory, so, not very much versatile as well. The V5 for me is probably the best choice, considering the vintage 70's tone and look - the roasted neck is also a bonus; I just wish it had a more conventional body wood. The Squier CV 70's, 4 string version, is also a good bass for the money, I guess, but I think you get a lot more bass for little more money with the V5. In favour of the Sire 7 knob active preamp, I have to say that one could very often benifit of the 3 band EQ on top of a tweaked tone control; I think I want to play around with one of those for a bit to make my mind about it better. So.... My strongest contestant for a 70s JB is probably a V5. Cheers!
You are right on the money with your observations. I bought the V7 Vintage (Alder but same color) as my first bass 5 years ago so it was only one of two models they made at the time. It is well built but my biggest gripe was the weight. Being newer I hadn't realized until I played a few other basses that it was the source of some RSI symptoms I was getting. I replaced it with Fender Player series which I'm very happy with...after upgrading the tuners. Love your reviews!
Thanks Protools!
This is the best review of the Sire V7 I have seen. I live in a small town in the Pyrenees and when I go down to the big city I try to test a lot of basses. On this occasion I was able to try the V7 and the V5. The V7 is a worse quality bass than the V5. Unfortunately I could not compare it with a V3. But at least the V3 is cheaper, which allows you to completely change the hardware without having spent a lot on the cabinet which doesn't seem much inferior to the V7. A separate mention is the master volume and tone button in one. It is very sensitive and you have to be careful when you want to change any parameter of these two, because you can easily change the other one too. Very bad solution from Sire... I think without having tried it, it is a better solution to buy a V3 and put the great Sadowsky preamp, which is easy to use and of a great quality. Thanks LEL for doing such a good review, with the only compromise of your experience. You are great!
Hey Lobster, I have the V7 (non-vintage) and V5 . I like the V5 better for its standard jazz bass feel , the quality of the two are the same. My V7 has the metallic red (alder) with the bound ebony board , I play it in passive mode most of the time . I bought mine about a year ago new and it was around the $600 Mark . If I had to make a choice between the V5 and the V7 , I would keep the V5.
Thanks Michael! Great comment!
very nice
Great review. I’m picking up a used one today! Love your cat btw.
I used to own a V7. It was the first bass I sold within six months of getting it .... and that was when they were good value. At that 700 - 800 price range the Yamaha BB734/5a is far better value. I own a V5 Sire and it’s a superb instrument. If gigging ever returns my V5 and BB735a are what I’ll be going out with.
Awesome! Thanks Simon!
Wich is better ? Sire or Yamaha BB??
I can get a new 5 string V7 for only $45 more than a new 5 string V5, is it a no brainer? My thinking is that the V7 in passive mode is just a V5 basically it seems, and the extra controls are removed from the equation right?
One thing about Sires is you have to watch where the pickups are wired to the preamp. The preamp doesn't have holes for the wires to go through. There's little copper plates. I got a V7 Gen 2 and it didn't sound quite right compared to my Fender so I looked at some of the connections on the preamp, heated up some of the connections while pressing down on the wires. Finally the sound was there. I so wish the preamps just had holes for the wires to go through.
Indeed, contact plates aren't bad but a shit solder joint on those isn't fun
Swapped the knobs over to metal ones on my V7, EMG for the dual concentric pots and cheap push fit ones for the regular pots. The low diameter of the EMG knobs helps massively with quick adjustments.
It's a gen1 with upgrades which I've gigged as my main bass for years now, take it out over luthier builds and Warwicks.
Thank you and great comment! Yours sounds killer. I have some Dimarzios coming for this, already swapped the pre to sadowsky :). I very much dig it and intend on replacing at least the tuners.
@@LowEndLobster I picked up cheap used parts for it over a couple of years, got some great deals on a set of Schallers and some Nordstrands. Only thing I got new was the bridge which is a pain to replace as the string thru holes aren't in a standard place, a Gotoh 404 works which is what I have.
with both pickups, it sounds AWESOME!
One spec that people may not have looked at. This is a 7.25" radius fingerboard and narrow frets. Non-Vintage are 9.5" radius and medium frets. It's something to know if you like one or the other or don't even care.
Indeed! I need to do a revisit to talk about that stuff. It's not something I regularly mention in my reviews but really should. I recently put together a J with one of those Fender roasted maple Vintera necks with the 7.25" radius and I loooooove it. The modern ones have the 9.5" radius, and that's what my DIY P has, but the 7.25" radius on the Vintera neck is sweet as well.
@@LowEndLobster I can say one thing, it doesn't seem to impact how well it slaps - that thing sounds superb- especially after the Sadowsky mod!
My favourite preamp setting now is everything at center (tone at full, both pickups) except mid freqs - I turned the sweep knob 45 degrees to the back and cut it all the way. With slightly boosted low mids and slightly cut high mids on my EHX Battalion I achieved really nice warm sound - and a believable P - bass sound with only front pickup.
Nice! I agree with those preamp settings, honestly the options are nice but aren't needed. I just popped a Sadowsky preamp into this bass (vid coming!) and it suits it MUCH better.
@@LowEndLobster I was hoping for a preamp replacement video :D
Respect from Dublin Ireland. Your funny! Nice, nice player. And a solid honest reviewer. I have a V3 €350. Also replaced the knobs for nice knurled chome ones.
Thanks Brian :)
@@LowEndLobster Sweet, cheers. Personally I find then v3 neck a bit thicker than a trad jazz profile. But as you say..."not bad".
Those pickups aren't in the other Sire basses. They are specially wound and magnetized to sound like an older bass. It just has that grind. I have an alder, 2nd gen V7 Vintage but I don't play it much because of the neck radius (different from the V7) and the rolled edges are not my favorite.
It sounds very much like my Fender MIJ Marcus sig.
Hard to beat either for a vintage sound. I agree, it's slightly over priced as well. Good review, although I would've given at least 3 claws 😀
Thanks Gerry! Great comment :)
The V5 has the same pickups as the V7 Vintage.
I've owned a few Sires (v7 and p7) for a few years now - great sounding basses BUT I'm not immune to the flaws...
The knobs are rubbish, the hardware average... But the weight is a killer! My 5 strings average 10.5 lbs and my back is telling me enough is enough, every time I pick up the bass my back complains loudly.
Lighter basses are imminent.
Eyeing up an Ibanez EHB or a Sandberg superlight.
Thanks Pat! Oof that is a bit of a boat anchor. I've lucked out with the Sires I've had thus far, but haven't tried a 5'er yet (I have one here that I haven't tested yet). Great comment!
@@LowEndLobster yep - unfortunately the aircraft carrier is still attached to the anchor!!!!!
Another great review. Insightful and honest. Thank you!
Thanks Grizelda!
The V7 Vintage also has a smaller fret board radius than the all the others if that's what your in to. I have a V5 fretless on order now, 3 more months till it arrives. I suppose I'll check out your review on that in the meantime.
Thanks Quincy! Congrats! I hope your bass arrives early :)
I've been planning on ordering a V5 fretless as well. In large part thanks to Lobster's great review.
.......you’re a locking nut.
Awesome, I’m glad you finally checked this one out. I got the V7 (1st edition) last year. Used of course (299 +tax) and thought, for the price, look and ridiculous options (that I don’t use, because I have a bad habit of leaving the cord plugged in and wake up to dead batteries), that it looked played and sounded pretty good. My biggest problem with it is that it’s pretty fecken heavy (and I play my Ric 90% of the time.)
Also it’s the natural (color) and maple/with white blocks fretboard. Also being 1st edition, it doesn’t have the cool roll over frets.
But, at that price, with what I already know about the V7.NO FECKEN WAY would I recommend it either. If you find a used one real cheap and you don’t stand when you play it, it’s real nice. I think you nailed this review. Thank you for sharing.
You’re awesome lobster!!!!(Just in case no one has said so lately) Cheers.
Thanks Tommy! Happy new year!
@@LowEndLobster cheers. You too.
Nice video! This made me pretty happy the V5 exists. The V7 as such has been around for a while now and is available lefty which is why I've been eyeing it every now and then. However, the preamp that seems to be centered around that glassy Marcus tone always turned me off because that's not really the sound I look for in a bass anymore. I'm getting the feeling a V5 might just be the bass for me.
Thank you and great comment :)
Worth noting that the Vintage models have the Bridge Pickup further back towards the bridge than the regular non-'Vintage'
My Gen 1 non-'Vintage' alder body V7 came in at €438 in 2017 .
I went alder as it suited my finger style playing a little more than the brighter swamp ash.
I like my actives.
My #1 is my Modulus Q5, so the Knob Array doesn't phase me at all.
I AM going to try that Capacitor mod on the passive Master Tone though 👍🏼
Thank you! Indeed it does have 70's spacing, as does the newer V5 too. Good luck with the tone cap mod, it works great!
@@LowEndLobster I've not played the Vintage V7 model but I think I made the right choice back then, for me that is, going for the Standard V7. Heavy though 9.9lb (4.5kg) !!
I'm so glad I stumbled upon this vid.
Last night I was noodling with Quanta by Audio Damage and recorded some 'Granulated Frogs'. 🙄
Just now, I added some V7 with a little mangled reverb to take away the 'Dryness'.
So far, it's working. 👍🏼
Having fun anyway. 🤪
Be Safe.
I tried this bass once, tho' only in passive mode since the batteries where missing. I was not really impressed by it. happy to see that i'm not the only one.
Thanks Danial!
Locking nuts, topless and holiday knobs will quickly become new bass nomenclature thanks to the Sire V7.
🦞, have you thought about starting your own bass company?
You seem to have a good grasp on what players like and need.
Thank you! We'll see what 2021 has in store for us ;)
I was considering Sire when I wanted to buy a Jazz, but as I wanted to sound more like Geddy Lee than Marcus Miller, and I was tired with always tweeking the knobs in an active ATK, I went with a passive Fender Player.
TBH I would buy Sire, but I couldn't decide on the model. I wanted "the best", but the higher models are different only visually. And I wanted alder + maple fretboard.
Thanks Maciej!
Good review and I think you were very fair. I think they have improved the tuners and I really like the rolled edges to the fret board. I also think these basses sound very good. I hate the bridge design and I think the pre amp is pretty complicated. Would like to see a passive P bass style with the roasted neck for around $500. I agree that the V5 is a better deal. I do give Sire credit for improving the bass over the first generation model. Going to try thier sort scale passive P.
Oh man, a V5 version of a straight up P with the roasted neck would be so goooood. Thanks Mark! Great comment :)
I tried the A/RW V7 Vintage 5 string and It sounded great however I went with the
Fender Professional because obviously the value is better and it was just a better bass
Thanks Erik!
Wow it sounds and looks great! But I agree needs better knobs. And a plus it’s car approved! This was an awesome review. Thanks lobster.
Thanks Ross :)
Seen a few touring bassists perform with Sire 5 strings, ran through an Aguilar 350 tone hammer and Aguilar 4x10 cabinet and house sound board ( Hollywood Bowl ) the bass sounded great. Not which Sire 5 string it was.
Awesome! I just got a Tone Hammer 350 for my main amp (not the orange) and I LOVE it!
@@LowEndLobster Aguilar are road worthy, bassist request them at the Hollywood Bowl if not Ampegs for classic old school sound. Glad you like the 350.
Thanks once more for your no BS opinions. I'm more of a P person, I rarely use the J pick up on my PJ, I was considering the P7, as apparently everyone considers both the V7 and the P7 amazing instruments for the money. Well, I guess I have to hope for an unlikely P5 😛or look elsewhere.
Thanks Gianluigi! We'll be looking at the P7 very soon. I know I'll have my same gripes about the preamp, but curious about their PJ config
I'd love to get a Sire, but that shipping! Haven't seen many locally - and most people want more than what a new one would cost shipped from the UK to the states for their used instrument.
Sire seems to have their priorities set too straight. Where they do seem to invest in the pickups and pre amp and V5 and above, even the quality. All the other things they skimp out on, it just gives the impression that they were like "eh, fuck it lol" like the fit and finish, the knobs, tuners and the bridge. They take pride in their pre amp and they put the pre amp on every bass which is dope but it just seems like something not for everyone, it's a bit too much. All in all they're great basses, just not for me. The smaller things which I mentioned end up making a larger chunk of the end user experience of getting what they paid for, just feeling something premium in their hands yaknow? You turn the knobs you get a good feel with some tasty resistance, you string it through a good bridge, tune it up, tuners feeling smooth and thing stays in tune. All this makes your $750-$800 a little more justified. I'd rather spend the $700 on a Cort A4.
Great comment my friend! Hit the nail on the head. The Corts at this price point are a way better value and have much higher quality hardware. Hell the $450 GB64jj had hum cancelling pickups!
@@LowEndLobster exactly! Now of course the $750 V7 is better than the the $750 MIM J basses for sure but you can get better. Cort has the GB74JJ too which is in the $600 range and has a badass bridge, hipshot tuners, a MUUCCHHHH nicer neck and a more simple and useable 2 band EQ (imo)
Having owned a 5 string V7, i wouldnt recommend the 5er. HUGE neck dive on the 5 (worst ive ever experienced), hardware is pretty poor, especially tuners, and im not a fan of the bridge design at all - i actually cant get enough room on it to properly intonate the bass. Mine has some dodgy fretwork too that needed sorting. The preamp really is amazing but that's about all these basses have going for them over something like a squier or fender IMHO. Great vid as always, i agree with the bridge pup not getting the traditional J sound
Thanks Alfie! I was going to buy a 5'er V5 for a little project, but I think I'm going to snag a 4 fretted instead haha.
@@LowEndLobster i cant speak for the v5 but id guess it was similar/worse in those areas. That Sadowsky metro express turn up yet? Im considering a 5er of those to replace my V7 5, but there isnt much info about them atm
Very interesting point of view. Thanks !
That bass sounds good! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks James :)
Ya i would take a Sterling for that amount of money for sure.. or a Mexi jazz the neck seems decent tho. Really great honest review as always 👍
Thanks Jeremy!
My vintage v7 will be in next week good review for me seeing that what the bass does well is why I'm buying it I have a p7 4 string lakland 5 which is my main bass a killer but when I'm doing old school r&b p7 passive just p pickups old school 70's funky stuff I can use the vintage on that and for everything else or the above styles my lakland so it suits my needs willnt be my main just 1 to do damage with great review
Thanks Calvin! The V7 is just a great bass that needs some massaging to differentiate it a bit more from the V3. Of the V series, the V5 is my favorite in terms of value and quality. P7 is a great bass and IMO one of the best Sires.
One thing you didn't mention is how well those basses play. They're neck is amazing
Sounds kick ass!
What a thumping bass
You certainly did it justice
Thanks Ras!
Egg Knob!!! Also, thanks. My favorite reviews come from you!
Thank you James :)
Would recommend this bass for someone that’s starting to play bass,
Hey Akimbo! Honestly, I would go for the V5 - it's cheaper, and simpler so you can focus more on understanding bass and less messing with knobs.
Sounds awesome, yet I can't decide whether the v7 vintage with ash body or a v5 is the best for me. The price difference is aprox 20 dollars.
i'm deciding between harley benton gotoh and v5 right now being a beginner. it was stunning to me how many v7 are there on second hand market. just checking today you can get 5 in my region
One of the best jazz basses in that price range.
Thanks!
It looks sexy! I really dig the tone.
It takes a while to get confidence with all those knobs but it's worth it.
Thanks B@ssiCS! I just dropped a new preamp in this bass after filming this vid ;). I think it's much better suited for this bass... more to come ;)
Can you install a shadowsky onboard preamp on a V5? It would be actually cheaper that getting the V7V, but you'd have to drill a hole in it. Would you do that to a V5?
You could, but as you said you'd need to drill for the side jack. I'd personally get the John East J-01 drop in Jazz that has the same setup as the Sadowsky but with two stacks and the jack on the control plate.
I owned this gen 1 model. Swapped my Yamaha BB735A for it. IMHO that was a mistake and I want another Yamaha. Mine tho was a 1st gen. How's the weight?
Thanks Robert! Actually have a 735A vid coming VERY soon :). This one is 9.2 lbs.
@@LowEndLobster 👍
I bought it just after meeting Marcus miller at the jazz alley in seattle. Definitely biased, but I still love everything
That was some good info. I always wondered why they didn't hold their value. I have a bass friend that owns a V7. He prefers his G&L over it.
Funny enough, he carries his G&L in the Sire gig bag.
Thanks Rick! That is funny, I bet some people do a double take when he pulls out the G&L hahaha
@@LowEndLobsterthat is funny. Thanks. I guess Sire has a nicer gig bag then G&L.
What bass do you recommend for a Marcus Miller-like slap sound under $ 800
Sire V7 vintage swamp ash? Squier CV70's? would the Fender Marcus Miller be better (but more expensive)?
Thanks!
Sire V5, Cort GB64/74JJ, ESP LTD GB4, are a few. Hell, my V7 nails the tone especially once I put the Sadowsky preamp in there. That being said, you can put the Sadowsky into a cheaper bass with nice pickups and get a similar effect.
@@LowEndLobster Thanks for answering! the problem is that I would like it to have the bridge pickup in 70’s position and that reduces the options, but I will look at the basses you have recommended, thanks again and thanks for the videos!
Is the passive mode on the V7 the same as the V5? I'm pretty dead set on the regular V7 with the 70s spacing and ebony fingerboard. Now cause of you I'm looking at V5s and P5s and contemplating a fretless 😅
TBH.... the V5 is kinda my favorite. The new V5R is killer too.
Hi Lobster, Brilliant review, love the tone you're getting out of the bass.
I own a Sire V9 Ash 4 string, Do you think I can use 45-105 gauge for the bass? I haven't found much information on this online.
Thanks
Of course. That's the most standard gauge there is
You sound much better with this bass. It Seems is easy to play this bass. At least it seems
To me like this bass is more confortable for you.
Thanks Juan! A nice J-bass always feels like home to me, my daily was a J for a looong time :)
Excellent video! Sire basses generally appear to be a really solid value for the money but the price of the V7 new is a bit of a bummer. That said, when you were riffing over Run For Cover it really nailed that Marcus tone. I suppose Sire is trying to have a bass for (almost) every price point?
Thanks Taconeko! :)
Here in Italy you can buy the exact same bass new for €509,00 (623 dollars more or less).
Thanks Lorenzo! It's interesting how the pricing on the Sires differs so much globally.
Is it my imagination or does the U5 do "Jazz bass" much more competently than the V7? Every time i go online to research these two instruments I feel like I'm going mad! For such a smaller price point too!
Yeah the 5 series in general, M5, U5, V5 and even the upcoming P5 and D5 look to be killer values. I think the V7 and above need a serious refresher to stay relevant among the model lineup
i dont know why , maybe i do LOVE my sire over all my other Basses .;the sound is great ;and yes the preamp is a pain i took out the batteries ;.;.
Thanks Roamer!
Good review and excellent playing, but I have to disagree with some of your opinions. I currently own a 1st generation V7 vintage (exactly like yours - white ash) and it's my #1 gigging bass. I have previously owned both a fretted and fretless V7 (alder bodied, rosewood fretboards). At the time, there were no V3 or V5s yet, and the V7 vintage offered several improvements over the standard V7s for me (70' bridge PUP spacing, 7.25" radius, maple fretboard, more color options, etc). I'm also left handed. Even at the higher price now, there are simply NO active J basses for lefties out there at this price point with these features. Can't really complain about, "All the knobs and EQ choices" when you're talking about an active J, and while I agree, the stacked knobs sit a bit too high, the quality of them is not all that different than standard J knobs you'd find on a Squier or Mexican Fender J. I've done hundreds of shows with my V7 vintage, and never had any issues with the knobs. Having an onboard active preamp i invaluable to me, a I can cover virtually any tone I need. The "V2" options now - rolled fingerboard, wooden battery compartment, etc. are all unnecessary, IMO. Bet deal out there is likely to find a used 1st generation V7.
Thanks and great comment! My gripes with the preamp are my opinion, and I do my best to address those items with mods vs just complaining for the sake of it. My V7 vintage post mods is one of my favorite J basses. Sire's build quality of the necks and bodies is killer, and I like the pickups as well. The hardware, preamp, and lacking battery doors are my biggest gripes but I've addressed those with an AlBridge drop on replacement bridge, Sadowsky preamp, and Hipshot ultra lite tuners (not worth it to address the battery door situation with mods imo). I think the more simplistic boost only two band of the Sadowsky combined with their vintage tone control definitely fit the J bass vibe better than the Sire one IMO. I find the preamp better suited for the M series or P series, but overall I'm pretty neutral on it. I just replaced my P10 preamp with a John East and IMO get a lot more clarity and zing to the tone. Moral of the story, bass is fun and I'm glad you're enjoying your V7!
@@LowEndLobster Well they do have a passive/active switch on them, so you could always just bypass the preamp. But I have no doubt your mods greatly improved yours. One other thing I forgot to mention on my lefty: it has true lefty pots with incremental taper, which is nearly non-existent on other company's lefty offerings. The earlier cheap plastic battery compartment covers always broke, and mine were no exception, but for $10 on Amazon I bought replacement plastic ones that have held up fine. The wooden compartment they have now (which they see as an improvement worth charging more $ for) would annoy me, as I don't like the idea of having to unscrew a cover to replace batteries, given the flip up plastic ones are much quicker. My mods have been: battery covers replaced, pickups replaced with DiMarzio DP123s (humbucking), Hipshot drop D tuner, a bass ramp I made myself, and The Bass Mute (bass mute.eu). This bass can do it all for me. Extremely versatile now.
i ordered a v7 1gen 2 years ago from thomann...i was really impressed with the tone and overall quality, however i ended up retourning it...it had fret buzz all over the fretboard which i was not able to fix...also i think the preamp sounds really good... but 2 batteries...meh...also i think i am more of a precision guy overall, i like huge baseball bat necks...also like humbuckers in my basses...i would really like to know your opinion on Sandberg basses!? the company is about a 1 1/2 hour drive from where i live;)
Sandberg basses look very appealing, and they sound pretty neat too
I got a V7 2nd Gen from Thomann and returned it. I actually even took two days off to drive there and return it myself, so I could test some other basses. Because buying instruments online is basically a bad idea.
On my way back home, I stopped at another music store. Okay, I got extremely lucky, there! It's a story too long to tell, now. However, I ended up getting a NOS fresh out of the box old style (-2015) Sandberg Cali for 775 €. There are worlds between the Sandberg and the Sire!
Sandberg is a weird company to me. I never understood or even liked their concept. However, their basses are worth every single cent and I'm so happy to have one instead of the Sire V7. I'd rather buy a used Cali than a new V7.
Unfortunately, I do not know how their inexpensive Electra series competes. As far as I know, they are also plek'd, just like the more expensive ones. That will give them quite an advantage over the competition.
Thanks Crusader! Man, I'd LOVE to try a Sandberg. Hopefully sometime in 2021. They look amazing and I love all things German :)
C A T
I did really like the tone with the bass centered and everything else at zero. It sounded a bit like a p bass.
Thanks froge :)
What other recommendations aside from sire do you have for a bass under 850? I'm a guitar player looking for something for recording, and find myself favoring the jazz bass sound.
Great question! My recommendation to you sir is not aside from sire, but their V5! IMO a MUCH better value and very solid passive bass that is substantially less than the V7 in this video is new. In regards to drop in preamps, I fitted this very bass in this video with a Sadowsky preamp drop in and it is AWESOME. I want to check out the Audere and (re)check out the J-retro. Also I have a civic too! :)
@@LowEndLobster thanks! And good car choice!
Just wondering what your thoughts are on a comparison of the M2 and V9 models? I have an opportunity to buy either one.
I don't think I'll be doing a V9 as that model is discontinued, but I have a V8 review coming up looking at the points I brought up in this review. I've reviewed an M2 a while ago, but I feel like I should revisit it at some point as I have an M5 and M7 already in my stable (the M2 was Bully's)
@@LowEndLobster, have you played a V9 at all? I've played an M2 and really liked it, but I've never tried a V9 before./ Do you know why it was discontinued?
Got Me One Love it ❤️
Sweet! I love mine too after I swapped out the preamp with the Sadowsky drop in unit, really brought it to life. I didn't think I'd be keeping it around... but here we are and it's still with me :)
The V5 is the one for me, after trying the V's & P's
Thanks Ryan! I wish they'd do a P5 with the roasted neck and just a P pickup.
@@LowEndLobster that would be awesome!!! TAKE MY MONEY
Are you gonna review other Sire basses? M-series perhaps?
Hi Kajo! Yes, I have two Sire M2s here waiting for review (1st and 2nd gen) plus I will definitely be checking out the new M5 :)
Isn’t the Vintage V7 basses 60s style pickups? And the Regular V7s are 70s style pickups
Wow! I think this one sounds better than the regular V7
But I'm actually undecided which bass should I buy between the V7 vintage or the Fender Vintera 70's jazz bass, because theh both have that Marcus Miller sound
Let me know your opinion 😊
I had a V7 but moved it on. The pre amp which is it main selling point is ok but the tuners, bridge and knobs feel and look cheap plus the one I had was almost 10 lb`s. The Vintera is plug in and play, with the V7 I was always playing with the eq to get a sound. Plus the re sale value compared to the Fender is crap. As Lob says, V5 might be a better bet.
@@jerryjones8513 thank you sir
I'll think about it
Thanks EJ and Jerry! Jerry hit the nail on the head, and that's exactly why I think the V5's are a much better instrument overall. Less money than the V7 but IMO feels a lot more premium.
@@LowEndLobster thank you man💙
Hello. I'm new in the channel (sorry my english language). Which bass you recommended under 1000? (J-bass style) thanxs.
Santiago from Chile
Sire V5 for sure. One of the best values out there.
I think when they first came out Sire was probably a much better buy being cheaper than they are now...
I think so, too. And they added features that no one really needs, like the rolled fretboard edges, wooden battery covers or the pickup covers, instead of keeping it simple and affordable.
When Sire came out you could get new a Musicman Stingray for $1300. Fender American Standard was $1100. Seems like Sire’s increased price is in line with the market. There are way better values now.
@@jonsidell3338 A price increase does not mean it's deserved...
I got to completely disagree with both of you there, the rolled edges are a major difference and the slightly different neck contour .
They only people who would say rolled edges are something no one needs is someone who has A never played a vintage bass or never played a very expensive fodera or alike , There is nothing worst than feeling frets cut your fingers up sliding up and down the neck , like on every fender made after 1982
I have owned hundreds of basses over the years and mostly now play pre CBS fender 59 P 63 P and 61 J , and the sire V5 neck is the closest neck I’ve ever played to a vintage feeling fender , so much so I haven’t picked my 61 for a while and it will not be coming out on tour anymore either the V5 is that good.
And considering the V5 is $100 cheaper than the original V7 your argument doesn’t really work does it?
I played a good few first generations and they were ok but just ok, the neck on the new basses has lifted sire’s game far above any of the competition
And actually makes it far far far more better buy than any of the originals anything fender makes right up to the custom shop so much so I actually sold my CS fender 59 touring bass , these eat them alive, so much so recording my band latest album the sire beat the 61 J every time sounded much better every time .
And just to add the sire was in the U.K. £399 my 61 J is now worth £8000 ish so erm ... that argument again is ?
@@Mrpsblobsoflowendmung Hum, not convinced...
Hi, thanks for you video. I don’t understand why you don’t like this bass and like so mucho the V8. Could you explain to me? Thanks again.
The V8 addressed a lot of my complaints here. This was also an earlier video, and my views on things like single coils have changed (though my criticism of the preamp remains)
Pickup placement is a big deal. The vintage has the 70s location and I think the V3 has the 60s position. For those of us who want that Marcus sound that would be a deal breaker.
I think the V7 you have is about as good as it gets. Who cares about the knobs. Buy some you like on Amazon.
i watched both your v5 and v7 videos and i was thinking to buy v5 then i found a used v7 1st gen which is %20 cheaper also in very good shape. now i am confused, which one do you suggest?
Both are solid. I'm not a fan of the preamp in the V7 because it's a bit convoluted. For simplicity, I like the V5 but the V7 is a little more flexible. I'd probably go for the V5 as the 1st gens are missing features of current sites like the rolled fingerboard edges
@@LowEndLobster thank you for your suggestion and for great reviews
Hi Brother, i have been thinking to trade the pickups of my V7 and put QUarter Seymour Duncan, what do you think? it is worth it?
I play a fretless squier 60's CV, I'm thinking on getting a new one, already asked you about the V5 but since rn it seems impossible to get is the V7 a good upgrade??
I like you even more now that I've met your cat :D
Good review
I’m trying to decide between a non-vintage v7 ash maple for 515 bucks or the v5 five string for 615.. I can’t decide :/
Solid deals! I haven't played any of the 5'er J's yet so I can't really comment on the B string.
@@LowEndLobster so is price the main reason you rate this low? I’m wondering if it’s worth it for 515 over getting a v5
@@HappyChillmore I believe this model isn't really offered anymore and was replaced with the V8. The reason I rated it as such is because of the price, the electronics (same preamp as V3, pickups not very different), and the hardware. You pay a big premium for the V7 Vintage Ash over a regular V7, and IMO I didn't really think the price increase was worth it given that the hardware and electronics are basically the same. I like how Sire went back and added features to the V8 to add value, and IMO I think it worked. We have a V8 coming soon and I'm excited to check it out. Roasted maple neck, better bridge, gig bag included. The electronics are still a sticking point for me as there's not much differentiation in the V series, but Sire is moving in the right direction for sure IMO.
@@LowEndLobster cool thanks man
why did you not talk about the eased frets /neck ??
Thanks Roamer! I did forget to mention the rolled edges, I do mention it in the V3 review.
Would like to know what you think of the 2nd Generation V7
*says bridge pickup isn’t funky enough*
*complains about the bass preamp controls being too much*
You are correct! However, I did something about both of these things and it's currently my go-to jazz bass. I absolutely love this bass. Here's that vid showing the mods (not the actual process but the end result)- ruclips.net/video/CQJGl2de6vA/видео.html
Do you know if the blocks are painted or actual inlay?
Sire basses are pretty nice!!!
Thanks Jeremy!
Even the cat approves it
:) Thanks Steffo!
Great sounding bass...
Thanks Dalton!
Does the V7 compare closely with a MIM Fender Jazz?
Yes, V7 having more bells and whistles but worse quality hardware IMO. I'd play both and see what sounds best to you if you have the opportunity. Lots of shops have solid return policies because of COVID- take advantage of this to get the instrument you want (but be respectful and don't over-do it!).
I love your cat!!!!.......the bass is OK but I prefer my normal V7 2nd generation. Prefer the satin finish on the back of the neck and the pearloid block markers. I hate the black on maple look of the vintage!
I had the Ash version. The sound was great, but the playability was total crap. Disappointing. Maybe I got a bad batch
That's a bummer. Mine have been pretty consistent in regards to playability. Solid fret jobs and great playing necks, it's usually the electronics and hardware that are the sticking points for me on these Sires.
Hi, how would you compare this to the Cort GB74JJ?
Great question Adam! I haven't played the 74, but I've played and reviewed the 64 that's $450, and honestly I think it's a much more complete package. I'd imagine that the 74 with it's higher end hardware (hipshots) would be an even better value. I also appreciate the much more 'to the point' preamp of the Corts.
@@LowEndLobster and how is the GB64JJ compared to the Sire V7? I have considered buying them both but can't make up my mind
@@Adam-gs7eu The 64 is super nice- noiseless pickups, solid feel, roasted neck. Mine was ugly but well made (ugly grain and over roasted fretboard).
Looks good sound good
Thanks Ram!
I want either a V10 or a P10.
Thanks Richard! Those look awesome, I'd love to check those out as well
@@LowEndLobster would love to see you also try the Yamaha BBP34
0:00 *trying to recollect in V10*
I would still like to see the Vintage Icon relic models (basically the Jaco and Geddy models) against the V5 (they're about $500USD new, free shipping). I'm not sure what other traditional J basses are that are really that interesting in that slot besides the harder to source ones like Edwards or Dame. I don't remember if FGN makes a J bass that's ~$500 USD, shipped. ESP makes insanely wicked J basses, but again, they're just really good J basses that you'd need to really upscale to like the 2k-4k tier to even really start getting apples/apples.
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Oh my. I did not know that Vintage guitars made a "reissue" series Stingray. huh.
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Dude! Yes! I've been eyeing those Vintages for a bit. They look solid, esp with the Wilkinson hardware (also eyeing the Glarry II)
Lobster sorry but I can't agree with you, I have the V5, the V10 and I already had the three v7 and a vintage v7 and the vintage V7 is much superior to the v3, now the v3 is an excellent low for the price it has; ) I bought my new vintage v7 for 500 €, now they have gone up in price, but it is just beware that they go down a lot;) I love the pre of sire, and live performance it´s top ;) Best regards
Thanks Vitor! No need to apologize my friend! I give my own opinions, but my unaltered sound clips are a much more unbiased representation that can help people decide. My gripes are not everyone's gripes, we are all different :).
@@LowEndLobster Yes, I know, everyone has their own vision, I love watching your videos and I am always attentive and agree with everything I've said to you so far, but I just didn't agree with this one :) I may also have been lucky to buy the bass. A hug
I liked this video because of your facial expressions.... And honestly
Do you know what breed your cat is? I used to have a similar cat - he was a Persian / Siamese cross. Really great personality.
Maine Coon I believe
@@LowEndLobster Those are nice cats. Awesome!