The remake is what the original arcade sequel SHOULD have been. It took years, but thankfully it was corrected, and the game is far better off because of that remake.
M2's 3D remake of their System-16 remake on 3DS is the best one! Featuring analogue control, wide-screen, and the greatest Fantasy Zone ever made: Link Loop Land. It's the daddy.
Can't even tell you how much I love this game! One of my all time favorites on the Master System, and I still have my original cartridge. Thanks for doing this!
The Master System has a lot of very good games but most only came out in Europe. Although games tat came out in Japan and the west are mostly always better on the Japanese side. Many western games had levels removed to fit on to smaller cartridges.
The Fantasy Zone series was one of my favs as a kid but I only every played the MS and MD versions. Great to see what the other systems had to offer. That MSX version though! 🤣
Never seen the famicom version before. Quite the contrast with the SMS version. If anyone has a 3DS, there’s a 3D remake of the system-16 version that’s a must own. Either as past of the Sega Classics collect or stand alone from the eshop. Several other 3D Fantasy Zone games are also available.
A really informative botp cheers Mark, damn I loved the fantasy zone games on my long gone Master System and I always knew about the FM sound adapter but never owned one, it's a unbelievable change for better the when you hear those synth sounds coming out the old MS. Damn again I love M2 as those people just love to serve you best slice of gaming they muster, that remake has to be on a Roy Castle level of dedication, just amazing.
thanks for your videos and hard work (even if you dont think it hard work), helps with my depression. enjoy those fun facts and history in your reviews, thank you
I really enjoyed the 3D Fantasy Zone II port on 3DS. It and 3D Fantasy Zone are probably tied for my 3rd favorite of those releases after 3D Galaxy Force II and 3D Shinobi III.
I thought I was going crazy when you were playing the SMS version. I didn't remember it sounding like that at all. Double the confusion when you played the arcade version and it sounded like I remembered.
In 2019, I was able to play the System 16C FZII on a real arcade PCB and cabinet. Although, I believe it was a modified System 16B board and I think the lesser amount of RAM caused an occasional graphic glitch, but it played just fine. I've read that only a small number of System 16C boards were actually produced, so finding the game even in Japanese arcades might be a challenge.
One of the reasons to choose a Master System in the past. Didn't know that exists so many ports of this game, maybe is the only Master System game with this peculiarity.
5:30 wouldn't the edges of the screen have been masked off anyway due to the Overscan borders of the typical CRT screen back then? (EDIT: or would the MSX 2 have been played on a computer monitor?)
I would assume on a CRT television which is what most MSX's used as their monitors, that updating effect would have been masked by the overscan area. Its actually a smart way of faking smooth scrolling.
In the last few weeks I've started catching up on games from the Sega Master System, a console I've never owned, and I'm blown away by their graphic quality. What colors! Much better than the NES. Some western titles like Impossible Mission, Leaderboard and Kick Off are the best versions ever.
Odd that the SMS was the original. Just doesn't seem the type of game to ORIGINATE on the home systems in this era. For ports, it's all about Arcade 16C and Arcade E. The Famicom version is also damn nice. Thankfully there was no horrible Tengen US version.
@@Alianger Tengen only released the first game, which surprisingly came out in the US. I have yet to get that (perhaps both versions, NES and FC since they differ), and the FC sequel for my collection though. In due time I suppose, though lollygagging will only make the prices inflate. I should also get the first 2 games for my SMS as I have not bought a game for the machine in years, along with Cloud Master for it and Famicom (as Chuuka Taisen, it's original name), and perhaps Rastan. At least amongst the 24 games I own (which include the first Wonder Boy boxed, R-Type, and Vigilante games) my most prized possession is a boxed and complete Bubble Bobble. Phantasy Star is just too damned pricey on the thing, and I have no second controller for my PS3 so I could unlock the damned thing on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. Though basically it IS in my collection, along with the other 3 games in the series, just unreachable. 2 and 3 I can play on my Genesis as I have boxed copies of both, including the map with the second game, I've always heard that map is hard to find these days.
That scrolling problem on the MSX2 I assumed was the emulation - a pity if it's on the real machine. As for the Famicom graphics, the colours are a bit drab but there isn't as much sprite flicker as I thought there would be.
There might be regional differences between the Master System version you've shown and the UK Master System edition. I have all three Fantasy Zone games on the Master System and what is listed as "Arcade (System E)" is actually the UK Master System edition. I've never seen the Mark III version of this game, the music is off compared the original cartridge (boxed with instructions) I've owned since it was released.
So the PAL Master System has the better Title screen and radar / map? I never knew that. Looks like the Western Master System version is a direct port of the System E arcade version. makes sense since it is basically the same machine.
@@RetroCore It's the music that caught me. The Mark III you showed seems sort of glitchy while the System E edition is exactly what my PAL cartridge plays.
The MSX2 is really a good machine (it has Space Manbow after all, and didn't name the go to people usually would go to, Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake. OK I just named it :P ). Shame Fantasy Zone 2 seems such a flop on the machine though, the machine was capable of handling a better version of the game.
@@RetroCore I had a MSX 1.1 made by Gradiente here in Brazil, way back in 1990. I remember the magazines that brought a huge sheet of code for some silly basic program. That was the cover-CD from those days. lol
I’m sorry but the msx 2 version of the game looks more like an msx1 game because it doesn’t use the extra graphical capabilities and is quite bad. I’d have trouble believing this is a game that only runs on msx2!! By the way, does the game run on system 16 boards where the ram chips have been changed for higher capacity?
That is how ths MSX2 scrolled, if they would have mask the border left and right would have been ok. I agree that art choices have been poor, MSX2 could have looked more vibrant for sure.
I'm not really knowledgeable on that game. been meaning to play it so I can do a Xenophobe show but just never get around to it. I'll see if it can be made for next week.
Im surprised you did not show the 3ds version. Which if finally able to be emulated on citra though vulkan. It includes widescreen and a bonus game mode. Based on the system 16c version. Basically, it's the best version that has yet to receive a switch port. Which the first game got by the sequal did not. I don't know why?
@@RetroCore Wasn't the Sega AGES version on the PS2 a completely different remake? I vaguely remember the bosses being Space Harrier-like in the PS2 port. And I hope that isn't something I dreamed up.
@@chowdown I believe what you remember was a remake of the first game. Years later, they did the collection, and this remake of part two was on that, if I recall correctly.
On the MSX2, couldn't the scrolling updates on the left & right sides have been masked out? - Actually, nope. The MSX2+ can do that, but Fantasy Zone II wasn't designed for the +. You can see the difference in something like Space Manbow. Fantasy Zone II? SOL. That's fine, because even if it was + enhanced, the MSX version would still be severely lacking.
@@RetroCore Can you provide an example of an MSX2 game that does masked scrolling like that? The ones I have seen behave the same way with horizontal scrolling, unless they're MSX2+ compatible.
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The System 16-C remake is hands-down the best version, and only M2 would even think to do that 20 years after the original game. They are a seriously dedicated company. The 3DS version is even better for including the endless mode and 3D visuals, but capturing video from that version isn't as easy. I'm not sure if I'd put the System-E version or the Mark III original in second place. The FM audio is indeed much nicer than the PSG-only arcade conversion, but having the radar is useful and something the original game should have had in the first place. After those would be the Famicom version. It's about as good as the system would reasonably allow for, though the weapon sound is a bit annoying. And the only version I'd really call terrible is the MSX2 version. For hardware that's relatively comparable to the Mark III, it looks awful, barely any better than an MSX1 game. And the music sounds more grating than any other version here. It's a very disappointing attempt of a port.
The MSX2 version of FZ2 is so inferior that it lacks support for MSX-MUSIC cartridge, which many MSX games at 1989 did use it. But well, Pony liked to pick bad games to publish as usual.
Many NES games also have edge artifacts on the scrolling as well. You might not have noticed it on a real CRT at all. But very showable with emulation. But not that as bad as with msx2 throught. The MSX2 scrolling issue seens to been a hardware limit: ruclips.net/video/BmXWR9kWvhs/видео.html
Im actuelly did first noticed them really when im first time played on a emulator. So its not that bad really or annoying. On Commodore 64 its would masked something like MSX2+ would do in the video, etc lost 16px resolution in the edge. its depend on the game throught and how well its programmed (its have its own strange quicks as well, but love the sid). Im do guess the game used the same techincal scrolling as the other game im linked. Also im have newer owned such a machine throught and they choosen not to mask the edge with multiplexed sprites as they will lost too much for other uses. But its does look odd.
im not sure im saw them (im did not own a NES my self, but has played some games as kid, im was a C64 fan), but its depend how the game was done. Its mostly only should seen on games that uses 4/8-way scrolling. To bad MSX has bad scrolling. etc MSX2 did not have horizontal scrolling support at all. They used screen position instead. Hence you see the issue.
I played the master system version only. The MSX2 version is bloody awful compared to the master system wow. So does that mean the Master system is way more powerful than MSX2? I should try the PS2 Sega ages arcade port.
The Master System is very playful looking within limitations, first coin op is too similar to Master System, NES is decent but not great, MSX is a weak offering and second coin op is a vast improvement.
In fact, the famicom version of Fantasy Zone 2 doesn't look as nice as the previous game's famicom version. Still it wasn't a bad version and it does look better than the awful Tengen NES version of Fantasy Zone.
@@RetroCore, speaking of graphics, the MSX 2 version looks like a original MSX likely they developed it for the original MSX then it switches to the more powerful MSX 2 but they could not be bothered to redesign the graphics and instead add smooth but poorly masked scrolling.
The remake is what the original arcade sequel SHOULD have been. It took years, but thankfully it was corrected, and the game is far better off because of that remake.
I love that you included the link loop land theme (endless love) from the 3DS endless mode while comparing every version!
I was going to include the 3DS version (I actually own all the Sega 3D Ages) but filming the 3DS is a pain so the music was the next best thing :)
Such a beautiful game. It’s ages like fine wine. I play it on Master System when I have the chance.
I didn't expected to see this.
Glad to see Fantasy Zone 2 DX, probably the best Fanatasy Zone game.
The Fantasy Zone 2 system 16 remake is really incredible IMO and a great show of just how passionate M2 is about their work.
M2 really do love games. They aren't some sad shite company in it for the money. I pray that they are never bought out.
What other arcade games ram on System-E hardware? I always suspected Pitfall II as that always felt very Master System like.
Isn't there a version of Tetris that runs on it?
@@RetroCore Yup, a version of Sega Tetris was released on it. It made it on to the ps2 as part of that Sega Ages Tetris collection.
"I always suspected Pitfall II as that always felt very Master System like."
Nope, System 2 but Master System is based of this.
I got this game on the 3DS as part of Sega 3D Classics Collection/Sega Fukkoku Archives 2.
M2's 3D remake of their System-16 remake on 3DS is the best one! Featuring analogue control, wide-screen, and the greatest Fantasy Zone ever made: Link Loop Land. It's the daddy.
Yep, I have all the 3DS ages games but I've yet to unwrap that one. I really should get around to it.
Thank you. I think I have seen most of your videos by now. Amazing work.
Wow, thank you!
Liking the FM sound on the MS / Mark III. I sometimes listen to the MD Super Fantasy Zone music.
MD Fantasy Zone has some great tunes!.
Can't even tell you how much I love this game! One of my all time favorites on the Master System, and I still have my original cartridge. Thanks for doing this!
No worries. It took a while to make this one but I finally got there.
The master system version looks so good. I should start a master system collection.
The Master System has a lot of very good games but most only came out in Europe. Although games tat came out in Japan and the west are mostly always better on the Japanese side. Many western games had levels removed to fit on to smaller cartridges.
@@RetroCore i thought it was because of the cartridge costs and/or the hardware limits
This game was a blast to play with the Master System "Sportspad" track ball. Definitely one of my favorite games on the SMS.
The Fantasy Zone series was one of my favs as a kid but I only every played the MS and MD versions. Great to see what the other systems had to offer. That MSX version though! 🤣
The master system version looks stunning. So many colors....
It sure does!
Never seen the famicom version before. Quite the contrast with the SMS version. If anyone has a 3DS, there’s a 3D remake of the system-16 version that’s a must own. Either as past of the Sega Classics collect or stand alone from the eshop. Several other 3D Fantasy Zone games are also available.
*Master System is the best and FM too and a original game!* ⭐️
The Master System game looks so colorful. Very nice.
It really is!
A really informative botp cheers Mark, damn I loved the fantasy zone games on my long gone Master System and I always knew about the FM sound adapter but never owned one, it's a unbelievable change for better the when you hear those synth sounds coming out the old MS. Damn again I love M2 as those people just love to serve you best slice of gaming they muster, that remake has to be on a Roy Castle level of dedication, just amazing.
It's just a shame I didn't add the 3DS version. Filming that would have been a pain.
A botp show of Fantasy Zone 2? instant like
thanks for your videos and hard work (even if you dont think it hard work), helps with my depression. enjoy those fun facts and history in your reviews, thank you
I really enjoyed the 3D Fantasy Zone II port on 3DS. It and 3D Fantasy Zone are probably tied for my 3rd favorite of those releases after 3D Galaxy Force II and 3D Shinobi III.
I've yet to play it, although I do own it. I should open that collection up some day.
I thought I was going crazy when you were playing the SMS version. I didn't remember it sounding like that at all. Double the confusion when you played the arcade version and it sounded like I remembered.
Yeah, I have the Japanese version with its cool FM audio.
When the Master System version can pass as an arcade game, enough said! The graphics and pastel colors are still amazing.
In 2019, I was able to play the System 16C FZII on a real arcade PCB and cabinet. Although, I believe it was a modified System 16B board and I think the lesser amount of RAM caused an occasional graphic glitch, but it played just fine. I've read that only a small number of System 16C boards were actually produced, so finding the game even in Japanese arcades might be a challenge.
One of the reasons to choose a Master System in the past. Didn't know that exists so many ports of this game, maybe is the only Master System game with this peculiarity.
The Master System was a very powerful console for its time. A shame it failed in Japan. At least in Europe and South America it was popular.
5:30 wouldn't the edges of the screen have been masked off anyway due to the Overscan borders of the typical CRT screen back then?
(EDIT: or would the MSX 2 have been played on a computer monitor?)
Depends on how crappy the TV was. On a really nice RGB screen, no, you still would have seen them. Not as much but they'd be there.
Only thing I don't like is the time limit for the special wepon add-ons tbh.
Yeah, that was always something I never liked about this series.
I would assume on a CRT television which is what most MSX's used as their monitors, that updating effect would have been masked by the overscan area. Its actually a smart way of faking smooth scrolling.
Maybe on some TVs but not all. The NES for example also has that issue on many games that can be seen on a CRT.
In the last few weeks I've started catching up on games from the Sega Master System, a console I've never owned, and I'm blown away by their graphic quality. What colors! Much better than the NES. Some western titles like Impossible Mission, Leaderboard and Kick Off are the best versions ever.
To be fair, the SMS/Mark III came out in Japan a fair while AFTER the Famicom. Would be insane if it weren't stronger.
Yep, it was 2 years and 2 months newer than the Famicom but still, very nice system.
@@RetroCore Oh no doubt. Master System really deserved more acclaim in Japan and the US than it got.
What music version is the one you paly in the last part of the vide, With all game versions running together? Sounds so nice.
It's from the system 16 game and 3DS version.
I'd not played this game for a lot of years, until I picked up a PC engine Mini. No PC Engine / Turbo Grafx version here?!
Odd that the SMS was the original. Just doesn't seem the type of game to ORIGINATE on the home systems in this era. For ports, it's all about Arcade 16C and Arcade E. The Famicom version is also damn nice. Thankfully there was no horrible Tengen US version.
Ooh, I'm sure Tengen were looking in to it at some point :)
Glorious game on the master system ❤❤
I’m still surprised to see some Sega games ported to the NES and published by Sunsoft, of all things ! :)
a Sega game on a Nintendo platform, back in the days.. HOW??
There were a few from that age such as Space Harrier, Alien Syndrome, Afterburner and Thunder Blade as well as others.
They were less picky about popular arcade games being ported everywhere
Wasn't there also a sunsoft version for famicom?
This is it. Sunsoft were just the publisher.
@@RetroCore Ah I must've been thinking of the Tengen one then?
@@Alianger Tengen only released the first game, which surprisingly came out in the US. I have yet to get that (perhaps both versions, NES and FC since they differ), and the FC sequel for my collection though. In due time I suppose, though lollygagging will only make the prices inflate. I should also get the first 2 games for my SMS as I have not bought a game for the machine in years, along with Cloud Master for it and Famicom (as Chuuka Taisen, it's original name), and perhaps Rastan. At least amongst the 24 games I own (which include the first Wonder Boy boxed, R-Type, and Vigilante games) my most prized possession is a boxed and complete Bubble Bobble. Phantasy Star is just too damned pricey on the thing, and I have no second controller for my PS3 so I could unlock the damned thing on Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection. Though basically it IS in my collection, along with the other 3 games in the series, just unreachable. 2 and 3 I can play on my Genesis as I have boxed copies of both, including the map with the second game, I've always heard that map is hard to find these days.
Opa opa in fantasy zone series last apperance is sega's flash point
The Mark III should have been the dominant system...
That scrolling problem on the MSX2 I assumed was the emulation - a pity if it's on the real machine. As for the Famicom graphics, the colours are a bit drab but there isn't as much sprite flicker as I thought there would be.
Nope, it is like that on a real machine. I own a Panasonic MSX2 computer which also does that.
There might be regional differences between the Master System version you've shown and the UK Master System edition. I have all three Fantasy Zone games on the Master System and what is listed as "Arcade (System E)" is actually the UK Master System edition. I've never seen the Mark III version of this game, the music is off compared the original cartridge (boxed with instructions) I've owned since it was released.
So the PAL Master System has the better Title screen and radar / map? I never knew that. Looks like the Western Master System version is a direct port of the System E arcade version. makes sense since it is basically the same machine.
@@RetroCore It's the music that caught me. The Mark III you showed seems sort of glitchy while the System E edition is exactly what my PAL cartridge plays.
Boy, you sure lashed out on MSX2. xD Oddly enough, I have the fuzzy memory of the MSX2 being, actually, a more capable machine.
I do own a Panasonic MSX 2 so I know it can do far better than this. That screen updating really does annoy me though. The NES does that too at times.
The MSX2 is really a good machine (it has Space Manbow after all, and didn't name the go to people usually would go to, Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake. OK I just named it :P ). Shame Fantasy Zone 2 seems such a flop on the machine though, the machine was capable of handling a better version of the game.
@@RetroCore I had a MSX 1.1 made by Gradiente here in Brazil, way back in 1990. I remember the magazines that brought a huge sheet of code for some silly basic program. That was the cover-CD from those days. lol
M2 to the rescue!
I’m sorry but the msx 2 version of the game looks more like an msx1 game because it doesn’t use the extra graphical capabilities and is quite bad. I’d have trouble believing this is a game that only runs on msx2!! By the way, does the game run on system 16 boards where the ram chips have been changed for higher capacity?
That is how ths MSX2 scrolled, if they would have mask the border left and right would have been ok. I agree that art choices have been poor, MSX2 could have looked more vibrant for sure.
@@Retro_Royal Wish Sega could've let someone like Compile do that port. Maybe it would've looked and played better.
Hi Marc. When will you do a Battle on the ports for Xenophobe? It's on multiple systems...
I'm not really knowledgeable on that game. been meaning to play it so I can do a Xenophobe show but just never get around to it. I'll see if it can be made for next week.
So the MS version is the original one. Interesting fact. Okay M2, next a Mega Drive port!
I have a love/hate relationship with the master system version of this game 😁
the game scalps its own power-ups then :D thankfully it wasn't yet time for micro-transaction..
I was just watching kim justices 50 best mk3/master system games -;with this game -:then i saw you uploaded.....
Cool. I haven't seen a Kim Justice video in a long time. I should check out some of the later ones.
Im surprised you did not show the 3ds version. Which if finally able to be emulated on citra though vulkan. It includes widescreen and a bonus game mode. Based on the system 16c version. Basically, it's the best version that has yet to receive a switch port. Which the first game got by the sequal did not. I don't know why?
See when this video was made. Back then it wasn't possible to emulatthe 3DS version.
I'm sure there was a 3DS version you missed out on
I own it but it is basically the System 16 version but in 3D. It's the same as the PS2 game which again is the System 16 version.
@@RetroCore Wasn't the Sega AGES version on the PS2 a completely different remake? I vaguely remember the bosses being Space Harrier-like in the PS2 port. And I hope that isn't something I dreamed up.
@@chowdown I believe what you remember was a remake of the first game. Years later, they did the collection, and this remake of part two was on that, if I recall correctly.
3ds version in incredible and the sms is one of the best on the system, even with nes its still good and has some small advantages over the sms.
On the MSX2, couldn't the scrolling updates on the left & right sides have been masked out? - Actually, nope. The MSX2+ can do that, but Fantasy Zone II wasn't designed for the +. You can see the difference in something like Space Manbow. Fantasy Zone II? SOL. That's fine, because even if it was + enhanced, the MSX version would still be severely lacking.
It could black out the updates IF they used a narrower play field. But that's probably a compromise they didn't want to do.
@@RetroCore Can you provide an example of an MSX2 game that does masked scrolling like that? The ones I have seen behave the same way with horizontal scrolling, unless they're MSX2+ compatible.
as a kid i thought these games were too cutesy ..... i did play the 3d light gun one tho the msx one looks like a fan colored apple 2 e game
The Amazing Of Opa-Opa:
Opa-Opa's Tears! (2006)
Platform:
PS2/XBOX/GCN/PC
✦ Buena Vista Games, SEGA
(US/CA)
✦ Feria CN Games, SEGA
(EU/AU)
✦ France 3, SEGA
(FR)
✦ Sonic Team, SEGA
(JP)
April 21, 2006 (USA)
April 22, 2006 (CA)
May 6, 2006 (EU)
May 7, 2006 (AU)
May 8, 2006 (FR)
July 11, 2006 (JP)
The System 16-C remake is hands-down the best version, and only M2 would even think to do that 20 years after the original game. They are a seriously dedicated company. The 3DS version is even better for including the endless mode and 3D visuals, but capturing video from that version isn't as easy.
I'm not sure if I'd put the System-E version or the Mark III original in second place. The FM audio is indeed much nicer than the PSG-only arcade conversion, but having the radar is useful and something the original game should have had in the first place.
After those would be the Famicom version. It's about as good as the system would reasonably allow for, though the weapon sound is a bit annoying.
And the only version I'd really call terrible is the MSX2 version. For hardware that's relatively comparable to the Mark III, it looks awful, barely any better than an MSX1 game. And the music sounds more grating than any other version here. It's a very disappointing attempt of a port.
Another person mentioned that the PAL Master System version is the same as the System E arcade board (No FM but has the radar) I wasn't aware of that.
The MSX2 version of FZ2 is so inferior that it lacks support for MSX-MUSIC cartridge, which many MSX games at 1989 did use it. But well, Pony liked to pick bad games to publish as usual.
Pony Canyon is one of those companies were you see the logo and know the game will be awful.
Spent a lot of time with FZ recently in the Ryu ga gotoku series. Never played FZ2. I’ll hunt it down in Geo.
Best way to get all the games is on the PS2 Sega Ages Vol:33. Cost quite a bit though.
@@RetroCore thanks. Love all the videos by the way. From a fellow Brit in Japan. Keep up the excellent work.
M2 should port Parpium :)
And with no overpriced, money begging from Fonzie either! :D
Yeah, they could fix it so it actually works.
Many NES games also have edge artifacts on the scrolling as well. You might not have noticed it on a real CRT at all. But very showable with emulation. But not that as bad as with msx2 throught.
The MSX2 scrolling issue seens to been a hardware limit:
ruclips.net/video/BmXWR9kWvhs/видео.html
Ah, you can see them on a Famicom via a CRT. It happens a lot with colour too on that system.
Im actuelly did first noticed them really when im first time played on a emulator. So its not that bad really or annoying.
On Commodore 64 its would masked something like MSX2+ would do in the video, etc lost 16px resolution in the edge. its depend on the game throught and how well its programmed (its have its own strange quicks as well, but love the sid).
Im do guess the game used the same techincal scrolling as the other game im linked. Also im have newer owned such a machine throught and they choosen not to mask the edge with multiplexed sprites as they will lost too much for other uses. But its does look odd.
im not sure im saw them (im did not own a NES my self, but has played some games as kid, im was a C64 fan), but its depend how the game was done. Its mostly only should seen on games that uses 4/8-way scrolling.
To bad MSX has bad scrolling. etc MSX2 did not have horizontal scrolling support at all. They used screen position instead. Hence you see the issue.
5:35 😂
I played the master system version only. The MSX2 version is bloody awful compared to the master system wow. So does that mean the Master system is way more powerful than MSX2? I should try the PS2 Sega ages arcade port.
I think the MSX 2 is better in some regards but not all. A MSX 2 sucks at side scrolling as seen in this game for example.
The Master System is very playful looking within limitations, first coin op is too similar to Master System, NES is decent but not great, MSX is a weak offering and second coin op is a vast improvement.
Yeah, the System E arcade board basically is a Master System.
In fact, the famicom version of Fantasy Zone 2 doesn't look as nice as the previous game's famicom version. Still it wasn't a bad version and it does look better than the awful Tengen NES version of Fantasy Zone.
I think even I could make a better looking game than the Tengen Fantasy Zone :)
@@RetroCore, speaking of graphics, the MSX 2 version looks like a original MSX likely they developed it for the original MSX then it switches to the more powerful MSX 2 but they could not be bothered to redesign the graphics and instead add smooth but poorly masked scrolling.
Seriously, SEGA? You put more effort in your FM sound effects for a spin-off than you do for a sequel?
Nope, I still don't like Fantasy Zone. It's still just a mediocre Defender rip-off to me.