The AI Scam That's Robbing Every Major Metal Band - Even the Legends!
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- On episode 184 of Heavy Metal Philosophy, we expose the shocking world of AI scams that are targeting some of the biggest names in metal music! From iconic legends to rising stars, no band is safe from this digital deception.
I'll explain how these scams operate, the tactics used by fraudsters, and the impact on the music industry. I'll break down the mechanisms of how these high-tech heists work and suggest solutions.
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In the end, we will all look back, and realize the internet was only good for paying bills and some porno.
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that and I got to see many videos of bands from the 60s & 70s that I never would have ?
And the porno aims to ruin a generation. Get off that sick shit boys. It’s actually a weapon.
Nah man, it's way more than that
And cat videos ... mostly, the cat videos ... 😺
I've yet to see one thing AI has made better about modern existence. Easier? Sure, but not better.
I work with AI every day. And realistically, it's not intelligent. Its main use, in my opinion, is do tasks that require zero human intervention, repetitive, multi-step processes that it can be programmed to do, again and again and again.
All that I've come across so far are basically "meme songs".
Agreed. @@SamBrockmann
I can see use cases for data analytics. It could detect patterns we might not think to see.
I want AI to make my work easier so I have time to make art. I don't want it making art.
@@heavymetalphilosophy , and that's how I, as a software developer who focuses on AI and RPA (look up "robotic process automation"; that's what I do), look at it. I also write, play guitar, sing, and record for my own enjoyment. I may use an AI plugin to clean up some harshness in my recorded guitar frequencies or my recorded vocals. But I (or another human) wrote those musical parts, I sang or played those, etc. I don't want AI to take over the creativity aspect. It's not creative.
Anyone who tells you AI is creative is trying to sell you a bad product. And I know, people try to sell me bad AI products for my job. 🤣
I think the biggest thing people forget is that AI isn't intelligent. It's just code. It doesn't think. It's not magic.
Yeah man I don't use spotify. I just buy CDs...
Same here. Spotify is an organization of leeches.
Same
One good recent development in music has been the resurgence in physical media. 🙌
@@heavymetalphilosophy Totally!
@@redacted428 Exactly!
Main reason ALL music fans need to purchase physical goods. Fuck streaming.
The resurgence of vinyl has definitely been a God send. 🤘
I only like Bandcamp for streaming. If I like something there I'll buy it.
At least 50% of streaming revenue needs to go to the artist.
@@oculartremors Bandcamp has been great. Not perfect but definitely better. Hopefully soon I'm gonna have on an metal artist who is also a programmer that is creating a competitor to bandcamp. I hope he succeeds and it's even better for artists and listeners! 🤞🤞
You nailed it - unless streaming service revenue is threatened, they won't take action. Hopefully, this guy getting caught will catch the attention of Spotify's advertisers, prompting them to question how much of their ad spend has gone to bots. If Spotify doesn't have an answer, advertisers may pull back. The 'dead internet' theory rears its ugly head once again.
Oh yea. Dead Internet theory indeed. Good call. 🤘
Chilling when you reminded us that Spotify (as just one example) isn't harmed by this if they get their 30%. If we are indeed in a "Techno-Fuedalism" world, that concept is key. It is all theater to them.
Agreed and in true techno dystopia fashion it's actually worse. Under old school feudalism the nobles at least had a responsibility to protect their vassals and maintain the village infrastructure. These new tech oligarchs have no concern for the society that enables them.
@@heavymetalphilosophy Well said. Author Douglas Rushkoff tells a funny story of trying to explain to Billionaires that their underground bunkers in New Zealand won't be much use to them when society collapses. They just can't understand.
I believe that the AI we interact with is to get used it, to accept it, while the AI that we do not see will set the way we trade, property rental, surge pricing for transportation and groceries, dynamic wages and employment, the list is endless. AI systems are very expensive, and few are talking about what the builders want for ROI. We ponder about AGI and all but ignore systems like Alladin (Blackrock) that already exist.
Philosophicly, I am interested in Buddhism and there is a concept that all things are assemblies of preexisting conditions. In these times, AI is already part of that experience. There is a lot there to think about.
That dude who got busted probably thought he was pulling an Office Space/Superman III scam. If you find a loophole in something, be careful!
And don't get so greedy you get noticed by the feds. 🤦
The last album I produced had art that I made by editing an image that my client took with his phone. You don't need AI to make a good album cover.
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I love that you name checked King Gizzard. They are my new favorite band! Have you listened to any of their 'metal' albums? They go pretty hard! They broke the mosh barrier at their last show. What are your thoughts on non-metal bands doing metal albums.
I dig it but King Gizzard is uniquely situated to pull it off given their multiple genre style. 🤘🤘
I got the joke because they are so prolific but even they only generate a fraction of 1% of the number of "songs" these AI software programs generate.
I don't remember how many streams a band ever gets a buck; i mean, the local bands. They say don't make much, and all suddenly scammed can make a buck. It also will be more difficult to share their music as long as it's yours and clean.
For spotify, they pay roughly $0.04 per 10 streams
Yea it's hard to say. The actual language is the streaming revenue goes to the "rights holder" which means the record company. How much an artist gets is going to depend on their record deal, their genre, and their size.
Dude I'm not even two minutes into this video and I've already had to suffer through three ads for A.I. related/dominated products just to get this far ... 🤷♀️🙄🤖🔫
damn it all. 😫😫
jesus dude what a world we live in 😳 new subscriber from Australia
Thank you and welcome aboard! 🙏🤘🇦🇺
Interesting! Great video
Thank you! 🙏🤘
Just wanted to say I really enjoyed this video. Subscribed! \m/
Thank you and welcome aboard! 🙏🤘
Ye!
if you're an "idea man" you should start producing. Find a band that has talent but needs that extra little bit of something that's impossible to define. I do just fine doing exactly that. Fuck AI.
Great idea! 🤘
I am a simple man, I see a song called 'I'm here to avenge Steve Irwin' and I click on it.
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Parents in the 70s and 80s: "Heavy metal bands are EVIL !"
Music Industry Executives: "Hold our Kosher beers."
do you think every executive is Jewish? also what color are your suspenders?
@@cablecablecable How's the weather in Haifa, Rabbi?
When you say metal bands don't make any money are you being hyperbolic or just referring to underground bands that most people will never hear of? I mean it's no secret that some metal bands are pretty mainstream nowadays and are popular enough and sell enough records, concert tickets and merch to live a pretty luxurious lifestyle.
A little bit of hyperbole but not really. For sure the underground bands don't make any money. They all have day jobs or side hustles. But even the established bands it's pretty shocking how little they make. I'm talking full on rock stars making middle class money.
Of course Metallica, Slipknot, Falling in Reverse etc. make a lot of money but those bands are in such a minority.
Scammers giving this video thumbs down
and coping hard in the comments 😆
It should be noted the guy in the first example got in trouble for bot farming not for making AI music and having it on RUclips and making money from it. Him making money from it was not illegal. Get ready folks...the music industry is watching this...today's fraud is tomorrow's business model.
Correct. I probably should've made that more clear but you're right. Spotify has signaled that they aren't opposed to AI music on the platform... Which is troubling.
I don’t know whether this is the truth but I heard that a lot of the ai music on Spotify is uploaded by the company themselves.
I've heard the same. 😞
The initial story is not a scam, its smart and its pulling power away from these platforms who benefit from knocking smaller services out of the water, Its called business and its ruthless. Big Ups to that guy., This is what you get when you abandon physical and this is what you get when you willingly centralize. The amount of people who choose spotify over other services warrant this behavior. I dont like spotify but im forced to use it all the time. Funnyily enough I use it less now as their censorship grows more and more while YT features all those albums spotify wont play.
I am 35 call me old if ya like but I rather stick with buying physical merchandise such as cds & records ao much better
James Cameron only been warning us for 40 years
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Where can I hear or find these songs?.
It's a constant battle.. Bands find out. They get their people to have them taken down. A new batch comes up later....
metalinjection.net/news/more-bands-hit-with-ai-generated-songs-on-streaming-services
I think a union is a great idea as long as the elected officials don't rip us off like lawyers do?
Lawyers and politicians... the absolute worst and most politicians are also lawyers.
Similar happens in the book industry. Amazon has "limited" authors to uploading 3 books per day to slow it down. With subscription reading where authors get paid by pageviews, even a shitty first page can count as a pageview.
Wow. Yea... Imagine being able to write more than 3 books a day 🤯
@@heavymetalphilosophy Same as the music, huh? If you don't care about the quality, a few AI words & AI "illustrations" can create something that looks like a children's book. Or a few prompts can spit out a rambling self-help book or travel guide ...
AI may not make music or books or art that touches souls, but by golly it muddies the water.
Why not title the video Bot Farms because that's what it is the music industry uses them to take everything remember the money is spread thin from one big pot and the old bands have better deals higher pay from distribution streaming and they are laughing at bands that make no money. Example i done a experiment with dance music i had 25.000 streams and earned $4
That's a beer right there....awesome! 🫣
Just don't use Spotify. No boycott, stop entirely. I've used RUclips music for almost 10 years and it is not only more intuitive but I know from my clients that they get paid more from Facebook, RUclips and Amazon than they do from Spotify.
Funny enough at least for video Spotify pays musicians a higher rate than RUclips does for video creators. Big difference is Spotify pays the "rights holder" which usually means the record company. So by the time the band gets their cut (if they even do because they have to make back their advance first) it's pennies.
@@heavymetalphilosophy I work for independent artists who own their publishing rights, and we haven't used the video portion of Spotify. Been fucked too hard on the music side.
everybody knows this is happening do you really think P Diddy makes money from music all those artists are not really musicians they use it as a cover for illegal activities
Honestly Dude... You don't know what's going on here and you have not read the Michael Smith indictment... FIRST in AMERICA - You are innocent until proven guilty... What Michael Smith did was basically High-Tech Bot Marketing in collaboration WITH other people and companies... On a side note, Streaming Services have been negligent in handling Royalty Pools - which is a questionable way of doing business in the first place... How does any artists know that Streaming Services are not scamming artists? No artist does... ROYALTY SCAMS ARE AS OLD AS RECORD LABELS... Back to the indictment... It's garbage... Carolina musician Michael Smith found a legal loophole AND NOW the FEDS from the Southern District of New York have charged him with wire fraud... So what's happening here. THE SDNY is trying to make law by Judicial Precedent side stepping Enacted Law (laws enacted by the people through Congress) while confiscating millions to pad their year end bonuses (forfeiture laws violate a hosts of Amendments and even now Lawyers are fighting in the courts around America proving these administrative actions are Unconstitutional) STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU... THAT ISN'T METAL! FUK THA BOZOS! LATER DUDE! PEACE OUT!
If AI music is taking any noticeable amount of money from your music, then your music might just not be good. Cause AI music is low bitrate horribly composed and just overall bad. Without bots farming plays it becomes a non issue, I don't have an issue with someone using AI to create, if someone releasing AI music to make money off, they have to pay the AI companies for the right to use them commercially anyway, this is not fraud at all until bots are used for plays.
Those same AI bots he got arrested for playing his music, the big labels are also using for plays to ensure on release day it hits the top.
As for uploading to another artists profile, who cares? Get it taken down, the artist gets the revenue from it because just uploading a song isn't enough to get paid, if it gets uploaded to another bands account, the money goes to that bands account, not yours. Also it doesn't reflect badly on them at all cause it's quite easy to explain and not at all their fault.
Using AI isn't cheating the system either. If I'm offering a product and you choose to enjoy it and use it and pay for it then I am providing something that someone wants. This is how society works.
Do you know how many things in this world have become automated and destroyed entire lines of work in the past? Yeah, just because you make music doesn't make you any different to any other job, you aren't special.
The artist does not get the revenue for it because it wasn't their publisher and they do not own the rights.
Did you know that many people have been robbed by criminals in the past? Just because you earn your money doesn't make you special. That bird's eye perspective sounds smart until you're the one being robbed and when you pursue justice the system says "whatever people get robbed all the time". 🤷
Or worse than the system doing it... The citizens in that system enforcing the system for them. The Matrix was prophetic.
@@heavymetalphilosophy not at all how it works in reality.
There is no way to get songs on someone elses page unless it is uploaded attached that artists publisher.
I understand you wanna make a viral AI video, but this is false.
@@heavymetalphilosophy If you're on Spotify, you're already being robbed. Welcome to the music industry, where the artist gets nowhere without the right names and funding behind them and is the last to be paid. It's been that way since they were selling sheet music.
@@GoddaryuTUBE sorry my friend but you're wrong on this one. Not only have I been in bands this has happened to in the past (Not AI related and totally accidental) but Tank the Tech just demonstrated on his stream how to do it. Here's the link...
ruclips.net/video/KDhGBR5zV0o/видео.htmlsi=-n9dG7SD5RIgsjZd
@@heavymetalphilosophy So it isn't an AI problem like I said, its a distributor problem, its a Spotify problem. I assume it's as easy as notifying Spotify and they take it down right away. If a fake song ever got uploaded to an artist I listen to then I have NEVER seen it and its been taken down immediately and I listen to Spotify like 18 hours a day lol
One thing as a listener I do when a new song is uploaded to an artists page is listen to it, then go back to listening to my favourite album/songs from them, so if anything the new song is bringing you MORE plays as a side affect and is only taking away 1 you wouldn't have gotten either way and it has now brought me to your page to listen to your other stuff that wouldn't have happened either. It's a benefit. They are giving you the new song affect to your entire profile for no effort on your behalf .
Also, im like 99% sure spotify only counts like 2-3 plays per person per day, after that it voids any further plays cause it assumes you are farming plays even if they are legitimate, meaning unless you're uploading to Taylor Swifts profile, you ain't making anything really.
Thought I might add, I'm not FOR people doing this obviously, I'm saying don't blame AI, blame Spotify and Distrokid.
I just found X PACs son. Lmao
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Just finished the mixes for a double album. As I vetted mastering engineers the first question I asked was "Do you use AI at any point in your process?" Chose one from the small pool of "No". There is no room for compromise in this.
Respect ✊
you look like you could be related to Ace Frehley
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I'm still waiting for Lars Ulrich to get involved.
I don't think he wants to ever be "the most hated man in rock" ever again 😆
How exactly is defrauding Spotify a bad thing?
In reality, this is a Civil matter and not a Criminal matter. The FEDS are creating law to confiscate the money Smith Dude made through some shrewd high-tech marketing and AI creation software. Smith Dude has been making music for years and like many EM Freaks started messing with AI. He's been publishing all kinds of stuff and the high-tech marketing collaborations he's been doing started to pay off big time for him and very little for streaming services. Yeah he violated contracts and terms of service with Streaming Services... Which are typically one-sided anyway.. So they should sue him. Other than that taxpayers shouldn't flipping the bill to protect these billion dollar companies... Hell they already have Section 230 protections, so no one can sue them... This federal indictment is crap.
Because he didn't defraud Spotify. The money he made came out of the royalty pool, not Spotify's pool.
@@heavymetalphilosophy - What Royalty Pool are you referring too? Streaming Services have basic pay per stream rates that are part of Artist compensation, and typically, only after a miniumum of stream playbacks are met do PROs and MLCs come into play depending on the piece of work, location of the listener, currency exchange rates, etc., it's almost a given that Streaming Services are skimming off the top. For example, NAPSTER pays about 2 cents per stream, while SPOTIFY not even half a penny. There's a lot going on under the hood. Keep in mind, the FEDs charged Michael Smith with Wire Fraud.
Here are some streaming rates provided by songwriter researcher Charles Cleyn:
Napster: $0.019 per stream
Tidal: $0.01284 per stream
Apple Music: $0.00783 per stream
RUclips Music: $0.00069 per stream
Deezer: $0.0064 per stream
Spotify: $0.00437 per stream
Amazon Music: $0.00402 per stream
Soundcloud: $0.0019 per stream
Pandora: $0.00069 per stream
AI is just the worst in every way. Just wait and see😔😡
Ey Barbas dont miss the new album by Kanonenfieber. Best blackened death of 2024, by far 👍👌👊😘
You got me intrigued! 🤘🤘
@@heavymetalphilosophy cant put it down. To me this is the best album of 2024. Not even competition 😁👌
not proud that the guy was from the Charlotte area 😡
North Carolina is still a beautiful state! 🤘
Slam dunk!
Thank you. 🙏🤘
Seriously! What a great fucking podcast Jon! I had no idea this was going on but it honestly doesn't surprise me! This may come across very cynical but the way society has become over the past decade or so it's no surprise that this is happening! I'm so passionate about Metal it pisses me off to no end that they're stealing from these artists! Sorry for the rant! I'm just glad you're trying to do something about it.
Don't apologize. I'm pissed too!
@@heavymetalphilosophy It's just so sad that our society takes what could be something great to help people and flip shit turn it upside down and fuck their fellow man 😫
Royalty Pools are the real scam. The best known artists can likely be overpaid while the least known artist are underpaid. There's no guarantee that Streaming Services are not skimming Royalty Pools.
@@mrmikemrmike true. There's no way to know, but considering most of pay goes to "rights holders" which could mean the artist but usually means the record company, there's at least other big companies that would also want statements and transparency. But you're right I don't trust them either 😆
Duly noted AI bad unless it's the band itself!....so you're saying that Karens are not metal screechers and that cockroach didn't do grindcore. Thx for heads up...and always remember Lars caught fire for us!
(also rem it's a DA claiming all this and a legacy media that thinks the entire internet is out to steal THEIR money!)
You say fraud is not up for moral debate. I would agree with you. Interestingly though, the metal scene has it's fair share of atheistic, nihilistic, and hedonistic people. I would bet money those are mainly the ones arguing in favor of A.I. and in some cases using the advancement of science to justify their position.
For sure Glen Benton used "technology" as an excuse for using an AI album cover. But don't sell pop and rap short for being nihilistic and hedonistic.
And then take country which is a purely commercial enterprise at this point. Their lyrics have been sounding like they were written by chat GPT for a couple decades now. 😆
@@heavymetalphilosophy I wasn't commenting on pop, rap, or country but since you mentioned it, I would definitely agree with you on that. My point stems from the fact that metal is the only genre that has bands that call themselves names like "Cynic" and "Atheist" and they tend to attract a fanbase that reflects those views 😅
the first video you talked about the music or whatever he generated is not the problem. he had fake users called farming playing his upload songs over and over as in not real people listening to it to get paid. I could have been farting sounds or a pod cast. he stole royalty money with the content. good or bad didn't matter as they were not real people listening to them.
I don't see how it's illegal to create accounts and listen to your own music to make money. He took advantage of the greed companies not the end user. If i don't listen to a song and pay 9$/mo Spotify doesn't give the money to the musicians I listened to the previous month, nor if I only listen to one song do they give most of that money to the artist, Good on this guy for taking the greedy companies money. record labels reduce the fee to license the artists music then invest into the streaming platform cutting the artists out of their royalties.
If you only listen to one song, your 9 dollars does still go into the pool for royalties. The royalties are paid out to rights holders based on how many streams they got that month overall whether it came from your account or not. In other words your nine dollars doesn't go to the one artist you listened to it goes into a pool. Taylor Swift or whoever has the most streams will get the biggest piece of the pool.
So regardless of how big or small you are, if the pool is diluted then everyone gets less.
Excellent episode dude 🤘🤘
Thank you. 🙏🤘
Episode Aarruugghhhhh Great Show Riff Dips!!
Thanks!!! Aaaarrrrghh!!! 😁🤘🤘
You look like the wrestler X- Pac(123 kid) in 1997.
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Who cares? I buy CDs and Vinyl records.
If the majority of people thought like you this wouldn't be as big a problem.