All The Reasons 'The Marvels' Will Fail | Part 1: No Draw
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- It's not a hot take to suggest that The marvels isn't going to be successful. Instead of just reasserting that, let's look at the reasons why. Today we're talking about the three main characters not being a draw for the audience and the plot of the MCU being a mess
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I can't wait to see media and twitter calling the fans sexist for not showing up to see it and pinning the blame for the reason why it flops, rather than looking into the troubled production, multiple reports of testing, and even using basic reasoning on why we don't want to see it.
Yeah and do those people ever wonder why good movies with black actors or women actors little people hate? It’s honestly quite stupid how these people are protecting Disney for no good reason
I just hope it gets canceled since Brie might be leaving
Oh, we're definitely getting blamed for not fawning over this one.
It's clearly being marketed to female audiences, which is a fine thing to do, but that audience of women who care about Marvel movies is pretty small. Definitely not enough to justify the production cost
@@gregowen2022 I have a theory. NERDS are exclusive and classist and the reason why the West is divided in 2020 era. The 90s - early 2000's era was more diverse and widespread than any other time period but it did passover the Revenge of the NERDS 80's era. And although they are a recluse, nerds hate being ignored or ganged up on. They want to feel like they are winning and don't feel women friendships are fair. That's why Black Widow, Maria Hill, and Scarlet Witch don't interact with each other but make their lives about the MEN they surround: Nick Fury, Vision and Hawk-Eye.
The Marvels are ABOUT women and that scares nerds. A poll asked who is more powerful: Storm, Wolverine and some other psychic characters and people were really nervous about Storm actually leading the polls and found reasons to talk her down. Why? Storm has taken down psychics without her powers in comics, she's tame around Prof. X.
countertheory: you're not the only demographic in existence, i know it's weird to think the world doesn't just revolve around you like mommy taught you growing up when she screamed at the teacher for your participation trophy
"Girl Power" can be done perfectly right and a scene in Season 2 of The Mandalorian comes to mind. When an all-female team of Cara Dune alongside Bo-Katan and Co. are infiltrating Moff Gideon's ship to help Mando extract Grogu, they (in lots of John Wick-esque oners) focus on doing their job: Blasting Imperials, and ensuring the mission gets complete.
No hair flips, no "girl boss" stares to the camera, no pandering dialogue, etc.
Just operators with a mission and execution of that mission being their number one priority.
That's exactly it. If it's genuine girl power, it will show. It's like being rich. If you have to say you are, you're not.
I am probably a sexist, but sorry, I need a period (no pun intended) of zero-girl boss, regardless of how well it is executed. I am done, and I LOVED Sigourney Weaver in aliens. DONE. OVER. Need man boss and I need it now.
I hate that scene in Mandalorian. The 4 of them are Yass Kweening down the middle of the hallway, not using cover at all in a firefight. Cara Dune doesn't have invincible armor so it doesn't make any sense.
Definitely doesn't have any sense of stakes or danger, and that's a very bad thing in an action scene.
The Mandolorian honestly has some pretty terrible action scenes to be honest.
@@UmbraMan1 it's what happens when people who don't actually like Star Wars get ahold of it to monetize it. It is like Hasbro and D&D. Same thing. Financial thugs.
Maybe you'll cover this in Part 2, but 'The Marvels' director Nia DeCosta basically has one credit for a 'Candyman' movie, and she also has a writing credit on 'The Marvels', yet they brought in new writers in January. For some (checklist) reason, Disney is hiring directors with little big screen and genre experience. Julius Onah is to direct 'Captain America: New World Order' and he has just a few big-screen movie credits, and Yann Demange who is to direct 'Blade' has a few movie credits but more in television. I don't see any superhero/action flicks in any of their IMdbs. The director hired for the pending Star Wars project, Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy, is a 'Canadian journalist, filmmaker and activist known for her work in films that highlight the inequality for women.' Has she even seen a Star Wars movie?
That's a good chunk of it. They are going to make this movie so bluntly political. As I look into it, it's shocking how many of these people have activist backgrounds. Dacostas first movie was Little Woods and it has all the liberal talking points. Candyman supposedly deals with gentrification police brutality towards blacks.
I'm not saying there isn't a place in the film world for that. But I am saying there's a reason they don't get Spike Lee or Tyler Perry to do superhero movies
I hadn't seen the bit about the new writers this year. Thanks for the tip
This is gonna be another glorious trainwreck in slowmotion. Several actually. Noob activist TV director + characters nobody likes + 500-600 million dollar budget (with marketing) - I'll keep my popcorn ready.
The new Candyman was pretty bad. Almost the worst in the series (slightly ahead of Candyman 3).
I'll never understand why they hire these inexperienced writers and directors and let them run the whole movie instead of placing them with our under more experienced people who they can learn from and develop their skill sets with. You put $200M+ film budgets in the hands of people with just a few credits and then wonder why they're failing.
Funny this is for most of us 80s comic nerds, Monica Rambeau was Captain Marvel and a very popular character at that. She was usually in the top 3 Black characters named (the others were Black Panther and Powerman).
Powerman has never been mentioned above Storm 🥴
@@natsohigh5552 I said in the 80s. Storm became more popular in the later years.
@@todoornottodoI doubt that given she was in the literal best selling comicbook of all time
This. It's like these idiots forget there were comic editions before and many of us are THRILLED to see our favorites come to life after so long only getting a select few.
She's the only iteration out of all the Captain Marvel/Miss Marvel set that actually had some mild success. Its funny that she isn't pushed more and instead they been going on with the current Ms. Marvel (not even gonna attempt to spell her name) or Carol Danver's version of Captain Marvel. Both are pretty much disliked.
The concept of tv shows literally being homeworks for actual theatre releases is perfectly spot on. And goes on par with the talentless approach of having characters being introduced by long, tedious, mildly apologetic monologues.
Not only writers don't know how to craft a character, but expect you to do half their job at home...
“Many writers are relying on lengthy monologues at the beginning of their projects to explain the story.”
Meanwhile Dreamworks:
It baffles me that they are willing to push it back so many times and spend so much money on it instead of saving the money and biting the bullet by canceling a project with either little interest or outright distain. I mean usually, Disney ignores criticism and just releases the movie like with their live action remakes, but with this one its like even they are afraid of it coming out. Like is The Marvels reaaaally that important that they can't just cancel it or move it to Disney+?
Totally agree. I love the first Dr Strange but the second one didn't make sense to me because I hadn't watched Wanda TV.
The 2nd one wasn't even a Dr Strange film
As someone who did watch Wandavision, Dr. Strange MoM still didn't make any sense. 😂
@@Aokaminariki It's ironically understandable if you've seen Loki. That's the only live action show about multiverses.
The rest don't talk about this. Making phase four really disconnected.
I had to explain most of the plot for my gf that didn't watched wandavision
At this point, Marvel needs to realize that this isn’t what their audience wants to see, and just what the directors and writers want to make. There are good ways to do inclusion, but this ticking boxes method isn’t it
Gab, enough of the "Marvel needs to realize". Step back, and look at the Disney layoffs. 7,000 + and even 20+ TOP executives...... gone. (don't worry, golden parachutes and separation bundles were included). Now, do your homework. I did and I have NOT read 1 statement that pointed out that it is the "woke crap" "the message" that is killing Disney entertainment. Find an article? Hyperlink it here. Piece*
Ticking boxes? Just saying you hate minorities and women
One of the biggest problems is the emasculation of male characters. See Thor4- People don’t want that.
@@bumface1810 this is not a thing
@BD - Are you blind? Thor’s character has done a complete 180… In Phase1 he was stoic, masculine and manly- this is what turns women on and men aspire to be like… By phase 4 he is goofy, insecure, effeminate and the constant butt of jokes….
This turns women off and men find it pathetic. Same with Loki. It’s one of the MCU’s biggest problems whether you understand this or not.
No one cares about The Marvels and Disney is insane for trying to make it a thing. The schadenfreude of it all delights me.
Btw, I’m still shook by your admission a couple videos ago that you haven’t seen Breaking Bad. Don’t be intimidated by the five seasons. The pilot will hook you because it’s the best tv pilot ever written. So get to watching. Then, I’m gonna need a video review of each season from you. 😊 I need to hear your take on this masterpiece.
I'm excited to do some retro reviews, especially for highly rated things that I somehow missed, like BB
@@gregowen2022 do you have a patreon for tv show and movie reactions and reviews?
I also take pride in having not watched any of Breaking Bad. After years of pestering from a friend, I finally gave GOT a chance and watched series 4&5 and it was the most tiresome crap ever. Never watched Stranger Things either- this stuff (trendy shows) is the spaff that the matrix wants us to watch. No thanks.
@@bumface1810 got was garbage and stranger things is trendy nonsense. Breaking Bad is a master class in storytelling and character development. Not to mention the incredible shots and cinematography. Which is why I recommend it to anyone who loves good TV. If you want to miss out on a fantastic tv show, that’s your prerogative 🤷🏻♀️
Hmmm, OK, maybe I’ll watch the pilot at some point.
I do feel sorry for the character of Monica because she's been dragged into two other characters BS.
There was no bad taste left with Monica after WandaVision. The same can't be said for the other two after their debut ventures.
Nah, don't forget her final words toward Wanda in that show. There was definitely bad taste left with her
@@D14MBK so because she acknowledged that people wouldn't know what Wanda sacrificed, she left a bad taste? 😂🤣😭🥴
@@natsohigh5552 Uh yes.... Because Wanda didn't sacrifice anything for them... She imprisoned them in the first place... I don't understand are you actually stupld enough to not realise that?
@@natsohigh5552 It's a pathetic reason to hate a character TBh ..it's an agenda unfortunately
@@natsohigh5552 When you think about what she did to everyone in that town, I don't think what she sacrificed added up to all that much in comparison.
I honestly didn't even know they were making this movie until I saw this video.
You made some good points.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on 1883, which I now consider to be one of my new favorite shows with one of the best heroines I've seen in a while, Wolf Walkers is awesome too!
I don't plan on seeing this movie. I don't have Disney+ so I obviously haven't done the "homework" 😂
Great! Don't waste your money on this crap. I sure as hell ain't 👍🏽
With how many people went to see Dr. Strange 2 and asked questions like "Why is Wanda crazy now, and who are these kids she keeps going on and on about?" or "Why is Wanda suddenly stronger than Dr. Strange? Didn't she used to have some mind powers and telekinesis?" you would think Disney would realize that using the TV shows as a basis for the films is a bad idea. Making their least watched show the backbone of one of their most expensive movies is a recipe for disaster.
That said from what we know about the characters and the 'using their powers makes them swap places' mechanic we probably already know the entire plot. Some disposable villain does something that may or may not cause the swapping mechanic, and we'll get some fish out of water comedy. Carol and Monica end up fighting because of a misunderstanding. Ms. Marvel makes them stop fighting by showing them that they have more alike than they realize. The three of them then go and defeat the disposable villain, having all learned a lesson from each other, possibly with a false sacrifice that gets walked back seconds after it fails to land anyway. After credit scene comes and reminds us that the story is never over by teasing a new character, played by OMG IS THAT (insert name here)?!?!
The only part of that worth watching on RUclips two years from now is the Carol and Monica fight, depending on how the swapping mechanic is used. Imagine a fight where Carol blasts at Monica, so Monica uses her powers to make Carol take the shot instead. But that also sounds like something that Disney will mess up horribly, because following the established rules of their worlds isn't something they are great at doing (see Cassie using Pym tech to mess with police officers who were about let her her leave jail with a shrunken police car for a recent stupid example).
From leaks , basic plot is kinda that.
Additional, there’s a lesbian sub plot of why Carol and Monica are against each other . If you watched the original movie. There was the hint of Monica’s mom and Carol being lovers
The only couple in that movie that had less chemistry than Carol and Maria were Fury and the cat. Now that you say it I can see Disney doing it easily.
Dr strange 2 was very stupid
We live in a dark age of writters, after last decade when we got amazing writting (Breaking Bad, Game of Throbbes, Suits, Daredevil, etc) now we have She-Hulk this decade….
it's a sad time to be a movie and tv enjoyer. My fingers are crossed for a video game surge. There's good stuff in games!
Agreed....
Problem is writers these days have forgot about the "hero's journey".
It isn't about always winning, it's about doing what is morally or ethically the right thing to do even if the stakes are high.
It's one of the reasons Spiderman is loved. Life is full of highs and lows and you can easily relate to a hero that gets back up every time his world comes crashing down. You root for that hero, you want to see them succeed.
I expect "The Marvels" to be a political dumpster fire. I already plan on skipping it.
That's exactly it. They have forgotten that the character is the foundation for everything. Powers, CGI, universe ending plots, representation, none of that matters if it isn't built a good character and character development
I told my friend after watching endgame in the theatre that the fans would care less about the characters as they can bring them back anytime and play with our emotions we had with the characters.. It is happening now. I'm a magician..
You're literally wrong
@@JADTO lmao
Idea for videos. I've enjoyed your critiques on modern media and then also providing insightful alternatives such as a better way to present them. I personally would watch a critique on anything trending (shows, movies, socials, etc.)
I appreciate that! I'd like to expand to general entertainment commentary, so I'm planning to include the occasional book and video game
I just found your channel. I want to say, I love your take on the subjects and your humor. Keep up the great work.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you're enjoying them
Honestly, I didn't even think this was a movie, I thought it was another Disney+ project.
You know, the part that bugged me the most about the "Just a Girl" scene in Captain Marvel? There was a 90s jukebox RIGHT THERE the whole time! The music could have come from that, and it would have made more sense and really worked.
Though, I still laugh at the now ironic use of "Celebrity Skin," (a song about the horrors and pressures of fame.)
It felt like Monica had a lot more than 32 minutes of Wandavision, because her backstory and side efforts were repeatedly shoved in without any apparent influence on the main plot.
Nobody got excited by hoping that Monica would be able to drive her expensive NASA truck very slowly through a wall of red pixels. All building to her appearance in the final episode to recite two sentences to Wanda.
In 2008 I signed up for a cinematic universe, and will make no attempt to watch Disney+ TV filler.
That's for kids
@@suezcontours6653 exactly. There's no target audience anymore, they're targeting the kids that millennials aren't having. So the teenagers who saw Phase 1 in theaters are now adults getting burned with too much childish pandering
@@stevenschultz9637 Exactly. BLACK AFRICAN kids since WHITE Millennials refuse to reproduce. Why do you think Disney + has so much black/ Latino/ minority content?
The Marvels is exactly the problematic outcome I was fearing when all those TV shows came out. Like you said, those shows felt like homework. Previously, while we all enjoyed the interconnectedness and little easter eggs across the different movies, you could still watch Avengers without having watched every single solo movie. Now, you need to watch all the solo projects to have any hope of understanding what's going on in the group projects and considering that you have to do it over two different platforms (cinema and streaming), it felt like a complete greedy money grap from Disney. Add to that that it was all done over just a few years, this phase was doomed from the start. It had nothing to do with creativity or building another solid franchise. How they thought they could get away with it is honestly beyond me.
Just found your channel and man. I love you sense of humor and great editing. Keep up the great work. Can't wait to see where we go from here with what Disney is pushing us
Thank you so much!
Fortunately for the channel, Disney and it's owned companies will provide plenty of entertainment, just not in the way they think
The only thing the writers should be worrying about is who the characters sleep with. Its why we are all here isn't it, to hear about who they sleep with and then celebrate that for some insane reason? Oh yeah, no its isn't... at all, EVER!
Option 1: Disney expects you to do your homework, and know those characters. No story given in the movie.
Option 2:. Disney introduces the back story of those 2 characters on screen at the expense of baddie and Captain Marvel development.
Either option will be a mess.
Option 2 is the standard approach, and any writer worth their salt could make it work economically without really sacrificing anything (for an example from Marvel, Guardians of the Galaxy 1 managed to introduce all the characters without bogging down the rest of the narrative). The thing is, the quality of writing is not likely to be high enough to make that work.
The point you made about characters in the MCU reminds me of how I perceived Marvel and DC most of my life. I often described Marvel comics as being character driven. This being evident in past Marvel stories like Silver or Bronze Age Spiderman or the dynamic among the Fantastic Four with the family elements. Whereas DC seemed more plot driven. You have stories where events would take place. Some stories that come to mind are Crisis On Infinite Earths, where the multiverse is being destroyed and it's up to the heroes of DC's multiple titles to find a way stop the threat. The Long Halloween is a murder mystery themed around the holidays. In the hands a lesser team, it would've come off like a gimmick title coasting the success of The Silence of the Lambs. But in the hands of Jeph Loeb and the late Tim Sale, it not only worked but has the staying power to be one of the best Batman graphic novels of all time. And finally there's Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?!" I could've used What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way, the story that explores the morality of Superman when the world begins to condone the violent methods of The Elite or To the Man Who Has Everything, another Superman story written by Alan Moore showing Superman's desire to have experienced life on Krypton only reconcile that had he lived on Krypton, he would die the same way as his birth parents. Not having the power to save it. Recognizing the value in being Superman. But for all intents and purposes, I will use the example I chose. The intrigue of Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?! explores a world without Superman by depicting the events that led up to Superman's retirement. All while acting as a love letter to legacy of Superman. These were Marvel and DC's strengths, yet I feel that both have forgotten that. And I am left uncertain of what will happen to both in the coming years.
The problem with the MCU is that the characters they're featuring right now are not and never have been very popular. You can tell a Captain America or Dr Strange story because they've been popular for decades and there's very good idea of what makes them appealing. Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel has never been well-liked. America Chavez's solo book is literally one of the worst comics ever published. Many people actively dislike Ironheart because she was written to be so obnoxious. People like Sam Wilson as Falcon but he's just not Captain America.
I have no idea what the hell DC has been doing with its movies. It was a major mistake to feature Superman and Barry Allen written so badly out off character right of the bat. Zack Snyder was a just a bad choice. And god do I wish Harley Quinn would just go away for a couple of decades in the movies and the comics.
@@BiggieTrismegistus I agree with your opinion on Harley Quinn, friend. I hate Margot Robbie in that role and I hated how Warner Bros kept pushing her in our faces.
Really well articulated assessment that hits the main points on why I'm not excited about this film without the frustrating acrimony that I'm sure you'll touch on in the next part, which I hope you'll forgive me if I miss it.
Thank you.
I take no offense, your time is your own. Part 2 deals with the political leanings of every person involved and how they will certainly spill over into the movie and that will drive the audience away, even those who agree with the politics. It's just the wrong place and time
I was okay with the homework at first, but it quickly became bait and switch, and the thing you thought you were going to learn just never happened, all you got was a new "character" ... usually with the complete destruction of the one you came to learn about.
I love your vids, I’m excited for part 2. In all honesty, I think no one is going to care about this movie because the characters don’t have any goals (the closest thing to a goal I can think of is the Smallest marvel figuring out her powers) or personality…I haven’t seen any of there shows/movies but what I’ve seen from YT is basically this:
Captain marvel: Stoic, No emotions.
Blue marvel: I know nothing about her
Smallest marvel: Whats to become a superhero to be well liked or something
While I’m at it…why on Gods green earth have 3 characters that have “Marvel” in there name on screen at the same time? That is gonna be REALLY confusing
You're absolutely right in that they have no goals. Marvel forgot what makes a character compelling, they just figured that the multiverse being in peril would be so interesting that it would sell the movie. That's cool, but we didn't really care about Thanos. We cared about the characters fighting him and what they fought for.
@@gregowen2022 exactly, characters with believable goals drive a story no senseless action with characters that have no right being there. The 3 marvels…to my knowledge, have nothing to fight for, nothing to achieve (again the counter to this being that the smallest marvel wants to learn how to use her powers correctly) but using them for selfish reasons makes you a VILLAIN! Plan and simple.
Captain Marvel is perfect, bland, OP, Mary Sue.
One is still a SELFISH CHILD
And the other one…I don’t even know man…hell, even my D&D CHARACTER has more of a hook then these 3 bland pieces of wood 😂
Thanks for outlining such great points about this series. One thing I would like to add is that Captain Marvel could have worked better if they had waited until after endgame. Imagine if Captain Marvel had not been inserted into the last two infinity films, or had an unnecessary origin story forced in. Instead, imagine if he emerged in a post-endgame world that was desperate for new heroes with the carol Danvers, who had been blipped out, and was now frightened of aliens and super power tech only to find herself having to deal with an invasion of Kree And becoming a superhero. It could’ve been great if they had just waited.
Exposition is fine if done well. I always say that if people will sit down and listen to a podcast for 2 or 3 hours which is all exposition, they will happily enjoy well written exposition in a movie for 2 or 3 minutes. Think of Robyn Williams in Goodwill Hunting. Obviously, he was exceptionally talented, but still it's possible.
Just saw this video on recommended decided to check out the rest of your videos and you make very excellent points and the humor and information articulation is just brilliant, subscribed!
I really appreciate it! I'm glad you like them
Bree's midriff in the trailer, was the only thing that made me think, "Maybe I want to see this movie."
This is so true. I just recently watching all (as much as I can) Marvel movies. The only character I know is Captain Marvel, I guess I need to watch more movies/shows (homework). I guess it's because I've only watched the movies and not the shows. I was never that interested in the shows after/while I watched the movies. Guess I need to someday.... Great stuff sir!
Wanda vision. And for some, Loki. The others are awful. Moon Knight is ok I guess
@@misterfevillord1588 Those were the best ones. And the best part about "The falcon and the Winter Soldier" was Zemo. I really wanted to like that show and was so disappointed with the way they butchered Sam's character.
They might as well start blaming me now for not watching this drivel. I just got the Murder She Wrote box set so I’ll be balls deep into this for awhile.
March 31st, 2023.
I was here for The Spill.
A day which will live in infamy
Congrats on 10k Greg!
Thank you so much!
I had suggested about a month ago on other sites and videos that this movie was going to take such a hit that it changes the direction of the MCU, possibly shaking things up like the current DCEU, or they're gonna go all-in on "The Mutants" (X-Men reboot.) Now, I at least thought it would take the actual release of the movie first, but I can already see the pre-panic.
"The Mutants" will be called the X-Men again now that Victoria Alonso is gone. Quite frankly it was really stupid of her to want to throw away the brand identity of the X-Men just because they aren't all men.
3:53 That scene in Endgame where Captain Marvel with the gauntlet has to get through a horde of attackers was so dumb. "How are you getting through that?" "She has help." Just a few moments before that she destroyed Thanos' giant space ship by flying through it.
That scene destroyed the immersion I was having during that entire moment. Thankfully it picked itself back up tho.
lol ikr? like you are a lady with a spear, mantis is barely a fighter, Shuri is also barley a fighter at this point just some dumb sonic hand canon things, Pepper Potts has literally never been in a battle ever until this moment. "hardly anyone of you are going to be any help at all, can we get Thor over here? hey Thor! you wanna come help Captain Marvel? i don't think lady with a spear is up to the task"
@@evenhartwick4422 you’re forgetting quite a few there.
That scene was so cringe, and I say that as a woman.
@@cosmo588 only wanda, even without her CM is capable enough to TAKE THE GAUNLET BY HERSELF, and she can f*ucking fly!
Great chat Greg and you broke it all down really well. Subscribed!
I really appreciate it! I'm glad you're here
The one thing that all these characters have in common is that they don't sell many comic books. They're just side characters in mainstream comic titles.
At the end of the day the bulk of the comic reading audience doesn't give a f*** about these characters.
Problem is for some insane reason they decided to follow the downfall of comics off the exact same cliff. Decades of books that sold in millions and they are pulling stories and characters from the no talent woke era of Marvel comics that sold in 1000s. They put Captain Marvel in every comic book store as new flag ship comic with life size posters years before movie and it bombed again and again. Now there aren't any comic books stores. It all makes zero sense. Who is advising Disney?
They said it was just comics don't sell in modern age. But then Manga came in and captured the current generation of kids. Gave lie to that excuse. If Disney or a studio had half a brain they would be buying up Manga film rights right now. The Marvel stuff is older people that loved the comics growing up. The nerdy teenagers all love Manga. And they have all the nerdy boys AND girls rather than mostly just boys like Marvel of old did. All without being woke.
It's funny that the comics could have been a great testing ground to see what works before they drop hundreds of millions on a project no one wants. But Disney is stubborn
Yeah, Manga and Anime sales absolutely destroy all excuses from Hollywood
Given the Cowboy Bebop live action, I don't think you want them doing Manga movies, lol
@@gregowen2022 Good point. You could do feature length or streaming series that are animated and voiced with classic disney level quality and talent.
It's definitely going to bomb. It would bomb even if the movie was somehow excellent.
But the movie is not going to be good. The movie is a mess and Marvel doesn't know what to do to fix it, which is why they keep delaying it.
Agreed. There is only so much polishing you can do when the core concept is flawed
just discovered your channel, great stuff
7:45 I think one of the reasons why it makes no sense and there’s all this crazy stuff going on is because none of it was planned out and creators are allowed to basically do whatever even if it contradicted an actual good storyline
Plus, like you said, I'm not sure if it's because I watched all three Spider-Man movies, but I feel like Miss Marvel is a watered down and Muslim Peter Parker.
We're going to get the scene where she's failing and stumbling and figuring out her powers and tripping on her balls only to all of a sudden get control of her powers because idk they got a wrap up the film so dozens of sequels and a low budget
Disney+ show can be made.
Difference is Spidey is a great character.
@@bumface1810 And suffered a great loss: Not only his aunt may die, but the whole world and his friends forgetting him. What did Ms. Marvel lose? her favorite necklace? A paper clip? Her favorite adult toy?
@@bumface1810Ms Marvel is actually a good character in her own right. Her first solo series was a lot of fun.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Her comics pre-2012 were OK, post 2012 she was made into a feminist mary sue. Yuck.
They should pull a Bat Girl and write it off, never let it see the light of day.
They have the money, they could absorb it. But they have too much pride. WB was smart, that new CEO(szazlav?) isn't going to continue to lose money on virtue signals
6:02 That is absolute BULLSHIT
Can't believe he actually said that.
3:58 Yup. That music in the teaser trailer is about not telling a woman to smile.
"Well, now, don't you tell me to smile
You stick around I'll make it worth your while
My number's beyond what you can dial
Maybe it's because we're so versatile
Style, profile, I said
It always brings me back when I hear, "ooh, child!"
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Love your videos!
Thank you very much!
This show and it's narrative is literally based upon the "consoom product and get excired for next product" meme.
It really is. We used to consume Disney because it was top notch quality. Now it's just consume consume consume
Put some respek on Monica Rambeau's name, her comic counterpart was Captain Marvel long before Carol Danvers.
The MCU switched the order because Carol was the current and more recognizable version.
This is equivalent to Amadeus Cho being the Hulk in the Avengers or Miles Morales being Spider-Man before Peter Parker.
Great channel and content. Very professional quality.
The big problem is put political in first and then write the story. Marvel need focus on create good story and development storylines, to create interest that caracter
In my opinion, I cannot wait for the movie to come out I can’t wait
It's hard to convey in text without sounding sarcastic, but I genuinely hope you enjoy it.
My opinion is that not enough people will join you to make the movie profitable, but that shouldn't stop you from having fun
Somebody has to like that woke feminist dreck of a movie, might as well be you.
I love the 90s music callbacks. 😎
Think to your point about the packed theaters for the Captain Marvel movie. There are rumors going around that Disney had bought tickets to Captain Marvel to inflate numbers. How true that is I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised at this point with the company.
As a woman, I absolutely detest this new female power centered movies. There used to be plenty of strong and likable female leads. They were awesome. They had character arcs and didn’t have to weaken the men to make the women look strong. They’re not relatable on any level. Most women don’t want to see men be pathetic in weak so the woman can save the day everytime. It’s not “new and fresh” or even well done. Plus, it’s heavy on the politics and the feminism. There’s a time for politics, but when you’re watching a movie and just trying to enjoy a plot, that’s not it. I don’t want to hear girl boss messages in my movies. I want to see good movies. IF there’s a message at all, make it subtle. The movie plot should be able to stand on its’ own. The woke movies keep failing but they keep doing it. Why? For example: in my opinion the movie A Quiet Place 1 and 2 had Emily Blunt be strong and relatable. She wasn’t perfect but she was brave and did her best. Her husband was strong as well and she really complimented that. It was very inspiring. If they’d have made the husband a weakling the movie wouldn’t have been half as good. I’d have just spent the whole first movie being frustrated with him instead of enjoying the story.
I'm working on a video about good examples of female characters. I haven't seen Quiet Place, now I'm interested. Everyone says Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor. My personal favorite is Elizabeth Bennett. Do you have any other suggestions?
@@gregowen2022 Live Die Repeat. I think that’s the name. It also has Emily Blunt and Tom Cruise. It’s really well done and a great move. GI Jane Is good too. I know there’s other examples and if they come to mind, I’ll comment under this again.
@@gregowen2022 I find Ginormica from the Monsters vs Aliens movie underrated.
When Carol Danvers assumed the Captain Marvel name she was mandated as an important character by Marvel editorial. The MCU needed a women to lead a movie but the movie rights to their most prominent female characters (Susan Richards, She-Hulk and the various X-women) were with other studios. Prior to becoming Captain Marvel Carol Danvers was the original Ms Marvel. In the late 2000s they put her on the Avengers and give her a solo book and she became pretty popular. Then the change happened. As Ms Marvel Carol was compassionate, fun and more than a little sexy. Her and Spider-Man were dating for awhile. When she became Captain Marvel they gave her a more "politically correct" (i.e. less sexy) costume, cut off her hair, and made it a point to have the artists draw her with small breasts, narrow hips and strong chin. They also changed her personality to "gruff hardass"; the way she acts is based on legendary test pilot Chuck Yeager. Basically Marvel decided their most prominent woman needed to be more masculine and less feminine in appearance and personality. Quite frankly it struck me as a bizarre choice at the time and still baffles me.
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I hope this era of movie making from the creative's point of view within an established brand is over. This is like failing an exam when using A.I. for the answers. All the heavy lifting has been done with characters, the storyline, and world-building. They have the source materials. The creatives need to make it make sense on the big screen for the audience instead of for themselves. Alternatively, we have gotten weak character development, convoluted storylines, and nonsensical world-building all covered with virtual signaling cheese. Most of us just want it to stop.
They’re constantly angry and scowling, like immature tyrants. And are personalities for women no longer allowed at Marvel?! WTF?!
LMAO, well done my dude!
Thank you so much!
I feel bad, I think the Ms. Marvel actor did a good job and was likeable, its just that the writing surrounding her character and producers at Marvel really suck.
Yeah, I liked Kamala's character, unlike Carol, she actually is charismatic.
Ms Marvel can actually be a good character in the teen hero role like Spider-Man used to be. The first few trade paperbacks of her first solo series are a really fun read. I like Iman Vellani too. She's not just charismatic and likeable but is a fan of Marvel Comics too. She's actually helping to write the new Ms Marvel miniseries that's starting soon. Her co-writer admitted she knew more about the various characters and their backstories than he did!
Honestly, she hulk was the nail in the coffin for me with my interest in the mcu. The fact that her ability to 4th wall break and rewrote her ending was total crap television. Also, hulk has yet to have a proper and satisfying conclusion and he's one of the best characters.
5:33 They also lost their Kang actor, so now we don't know who they'll cast next to replace him or if they'll do it at all.
Addendum, I feel like most if not all modern films rely heavily on expedition dumping in the first two seconds. I know it’s essential but to me it’s overwhelming. I feel like I’m gonna be quizzed on this later. It feels like I’m in school. IM IN FVCKIN SCHOOL!!!!
It's lazy story telling. They use it as a crutch instead of designing a scene that would illustrate those things for us
@@gregowen2022 is the phrase “show, don’t tell” a forbidden phrase?
let's be honnest, this movie will flop ...
we are all so tired of all those " messages " that at a a certain point in time, we've all stoped to really care ( i think She hulk was maybe that point to some peoples ) so really actually, i'm sure verry few peoples do care about it...
I agree, she hulk was a big tipping point for people. The mask came off and people realized that a lot of the folks at marvel really despise the audience
@@gregowen2022 Do you think you will make a video of : " where does this hate come from ? " I know it's mostly " the message " but ... is there a thread to it ? or just purely saying men did this until now; so women can do it to ? ... well no that doesn't really justify that hate tho ...
And why despise your audience ? i mean, they are the folks who pay you ... i mean... what ? @_@
i agree with every you said and am excited to see part 2
They should have made a movie where Rogue raised by a lesbian couple Mystique and Destiny (wrtten in 1980's Marvel comics) drains carol danvers powers and memories which puts cap marvel in a coma for 6 to 8 years while Rogue goes around dealing with her mommy issues and joining the x-men. I would watch that movie.
Hey, I thought I was subscribed to you, I just fixed that. Thank you for being funny while speaking the truth about these movies. I love that you do it without turning political like so many other channels.
Thanks for subscribing! I like this style as well, I get bored of being angry. It's no fun
I think calling it Captain Marvel 2 is probably the better idea. I don't usually agree with Brie Larson but at least the Captain Marvel name sold tickets. Starting a new franchise this late just won't get off the ground. These post endgame franchises are some of the worst performers box office wise.
No the captain marvel name never sold anything. It was the "you must watch this before endgame" hype that sold it. Also Disney bought tickets to take it past a billion (many theatres exposed this but Disney denied the claims). There is no endgame hype this time so Disney threw 3 women (of course there can't be men in it lol) together hoping their combined fans will bring just enough people to the theater (which it won't)
Start making the bingo cards now for this movie. 90%+ RT critic score, stars receiving "raycist attacks," gay character that keeps film out of several middle eastern markets or is cut out.
Haha. I'm putting a box on my card for a male villain that underestimates the girl team.
Bingo is a better idea than a drinking game. I don't want to die of alcohol poisoning
You'd never know that the guy that was in charge of making the first 3 phases click was also the guy running the next two. The creation of the Avengers and the build towards a war with Thanos, along with its culmination, was pretty much universally praised. Were there hiccups? Sure. But they didn't derail anything. The Multiverse saga, thus far, is a jumbled mess where it means different things in different shows/movies and your villain is actually a million villains, or something? Damn, they even ended up taking shots in the various shows and movies, trivializing Thanos and the power of the Infinity Stones - thus devaluing that whole saga. There's no way they cleanly piece this all together for an 'Endgame' moment. As for The Marvels ,you're spot on when asking whether people will even know/remember/care who they are. I thought Ms. Marvel was good for what it was, but she's definitely not ready for a movie. Monica was a largely forgettable character. Captain Marvel was turned into a Mary Sue whose actress basically told the fans to f off. She's got the charm and personality of a rock, and it shows in her acting, too.
FWIW they didn't actually trivialize the power of the Infinity Stones. They just didn't explain that the stones only work in the universe they're from. That's actually a bit of canon left over from the awesome JLAvengers crossover DC and Marvel did. Six weapons and artifacts of great power were moved from their respective universes to the other by The Collector. Darkseid tracked down the Infinity Gauntlet in the DC Universe only to learn it didn't work there.
The funniest part of all of this is back on Disney+ with starting, Kevin Fiege said “you don’t have to watch the shows to know what’s going on in the movies“ fucking laughable
I can not agree more.
Tbh the only project I'm waiting for now is Thunderbolts, and the only reason is it has Bucky and that's it.
They even managed to screw up Falcon and the Winter Soldier even tho Sam and Bucky were way more stablished in the past movies, Let alone this movie with its main material. I'm not really optimistic about the new Cap movie either with literally every MCU character in it.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about Thunderbolts, I might watch it just for Bucky. Was kinda disappointed with "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" too, they butchered Sam's character.
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Monica Rambeau was named Captain Marvel decades before Carol Danvers. If Marvel wanted to do "equity and inclusion" correctly, that was the way to go.
Phase 4 was so bad I cancelled my Disney+ because the kids weren't watching anything on it. I think we all gave up after Episode 1 or 2 of Moon Knight. Stopped caring about the movies after the Eternals. Not concerned about the Marvels at all, but will go if one of the kids asks to see it.
The plot driven thing is the best point for the problems with the mcu atm. In terms of superhero content I’m more interested in series like the boys and invincible. And it’s not because I’m obsessed with the plot, it’s because I want to know where the characters go.
I'm only interested in Amber if she gets better
But yeah, a planet of Kryptonian-like beings who weren't destroyed (I haven't seen comics) is scary when it seems like Earth is key to supplying more soldiers for the empire whose forces were spread so thin
Plus characters like monster girl, Rudy, Rex, the Muller twins, Eve, etc have good stories that are relatable and not boring
"The consensus is our movies pander to the SJW twitter mob.. lazily-written and overly reliant on CGI, instead of appealing heroes and interesting stories."
"Hmmm. What if we simply remove men completely from the next one?"
"GENIUS!!"
agreed, ms. marvel is the only character im interested in, maybe monica would be cooler if she had more backstory instead of, like you said, being a side character
Black Widow movie would’ve been successful if Captain Marvel’s theatrical release swapped with Black Widow
Right. I think anything would have been successful six weeks before endgame.
Is Ronin in this?
Just wanted to comment on the Keith Sweat “Nobody” song I used to jam to in 96’. Nice throwback guy
Only shot they had at making Ms. Marvel work was casting a super attractive girl and making her hit the gym hard
Facts. But currently it's sexist to cast hot actresses
I think the biggest budget that I would feel comfortable with from a Director stand point, maybe...5 to 20 million.
My attitude towards this film is decidedly "meh". Like, if I hear it's good I'll probably watch it on Disney Plus, but honestly I don't care about these characters at all.
I think you're bang on the nail with character needing to come first. If I think about what I'm excited to see from phase 4, it's what happens next with Spiderman, it's more Shang Chi, it's Moon Knight, and it's Loki. I don't really care about all these new teams of characters I barely know, and I certainly don't care about characters like the new Captain America and the new Black Panther who have co-opted the identity of superior heroes.
The co-opting is the part that is weakening these characters. Marvel just thought they could transfer the mantle and we would care, but that's not how it works.
I agree about the movie. If I watch it at all, it'll be streaming
I forgot the Eternals was a thing...
The whole "making your audience do homework" thing reminds me a lot of Halo 5
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I had to stop your vid, rewind it and think. All you have said is so true. I will find this movie b0mbing more entertaining than knowing what the plot is. The only reason i even care to know about the Meh-vels is so i can exercise my eyeballs to roll into the back of my head
"Chill-inducing" just tells you how incredibly delusional the Marvel and Disney management team is.
I don't know how he said that with a straight face
Before WandaVision, Kevin Feige stated that the shows would not be necessary to watch to keep up with the movies.
Looks like he was vetoed
Ms. Marvel character arc? She didn't have one. She wanted to be a superhero to be famous and popular. That's not an arc. Diversity: the state of being diverse; variety. Where are the men?
This movie is suppose to be out in November and not even a teaser is out..
Have you ever heard the definition of development hell?
I personally think, outside of focusing on politics instead of the story, they are having a issue bringing things together because they don't have a macguffin like the infinity stones to implant into stories anymore. They can make Kang the bad guy for every movie but that would get boring.
That's a very interesting point I hadn't thought of. The stones were such an easy way to focus the audience on the looming threat, but there were enough of them that they could create a few story threads that would converge later.
Wow, the original 3 phases were just so good, and I'm stunned that the same people then went on to crap out phase 4
Phase 4 should have focused on smaller scale stories and saved the big stuff for the Avengers movies. An idea from the comics I would have liked to have seen is "Acts of Vengeance" where the villains got together and decided to go after heroes they normally didn't. Like Bullseye going after Spider-Man while Doctor Octopus attacked Daredevil or Magneto seeking out the Fantastic Four while Doctor Doom battled the X-Men. Hell, a whole phase of movies starring villains would have been cool too.
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