I like how Lex brings in these esteemed guests and is all like "so tell me about X" and the suckers fall for it and give him top-tier tuition for free in whatever field he requires, the absolute mad lad...
@@Perfxnizm yeah but he's giving them a platform to speak and facilitating conversations they find interesting with informed thoughts.. That's why I don't understand the joke saying they're suckers falling for it--they benefit too
One day when I was very high, about 7 or 8 years ago, I was pondering the fact that the speed of light is the universe's speed-limit, and how this pertained to black holes. Since the latter don't even allow light to escape, and time and space are inextricably interwoven, it made perfect sense to me that time was also being reversed inside these huge engines, and that the materials being drawn into them, must be spewed out at the other end (a white hole). My stoned conclusion was that if time was 'reversed' enough during the travel from black hole to white hole, then it'd be possible for the 'awaiting' universe outside of the white hole, to be ancient, possibly even the origin of our own universe. I'd never heard anyone express these thoughts at that point, and although I'm not deluded by ego/arrogance, it has to be noted that I am just a factory worker, with no education within this field, so it felt like a breakthrough to me. To hear others' theories confirming the 'possibility' that this might actually be the case, is mind-blowing, for me at least. Also, it was interesting to see the idea played out (somewhat) in the film Interstellar.
Cool theory. However, the speed of light is not the universes speed-limit; the universe it’s self is thought to expand at a rate that exceeds the speed of light. The Big Bang is believed to have caused atoms to travel at a speed exceeding the speed of light… by a lot
@@JT-iv9un and to go off on more of the universes weirdness, it seems that quantum entanglement is instantaneous. I’m guessing all universe or universes are on a grid, it’s not a spacextime grid it would be on an information grid. (Just my silly theory) The ACTUAL universe is the info grid. To “quick” for time. Matter and energy to me feels as if it’s more just what our brains are “tuned” to comprehend. But matter and energy in actuality it’s a different state of information. 🤷🏼♂️
@@paulgreen2401 Two points in a line both at a fraction of the speed of light going away from each other can produce from perspective of either point to the second point the appearance that one is traveling at the speed/s they both travel away from each other combined. The speed of light may or may not be the upper limit. The expansion only has the appearance of breaking the rule. It's an illusion of perspective.
@@vytautaskleiza1448 *Puts you into place* Now how do you like this spot Vytautas? Is it comfy here? Ok; Now stay put and contemplate Astrobiology and Cosmology with Mr Lex and friends while i go and watch some more videos. Don't talk to strangers now; Unless of course you want to discuss religion and science and have someone put you into another place! Have a good night/day! Goodbye ❤️✌️🙏
@@vytautaskleiza1448 hahah no not gonna put you in your place. You're right there doesn't seem to be a defined "moral dogmatism" with it, but something about it feels eerily similar to religion and it reminds me of the "creation stories" that we would find in many ancient religions around the world.
"Religion" was created by primitive humans. This is what all primitive cultures do. Why do you think there are hundreds of religions/gods? People 2000+ years ago didn't know much at all.
@@chrism6904 People 2000 years ago also dabbled in science, that doesn't mean science is incorrect. We've built upon what the ancients knew in terms of science. Maybe religion is similar in that none of the religions are 100% correct but they build on each other, some more than others.
Great discussion here. I have often wondered whether this was the case. This might explain the increasing expansion of the universe. As more offspring universes are brought into existence, the collective mass/energy outside of our own observable universe would increase with profound external effects on our own universe.
I find it interesting how on 1 end, Dr. Oyibo theorem proves that the universe is not expanding, because the universe cannot expand, because it just exist, but on the other end, Prof. Gates superstring theory provides the "as above, so below" proof, so if I put the 2 together, plus this video, it makes me question the simulation theory when reffing to what we qualify as life as in; is everything that we know as the word "existence" really a derivative of?
Perhaps the new big bangs occur instantaneously, but due to time dilation we observe black holes as relatively constant. If one could observe a black hole at a time dilation-adjusted pace, we may see all the matter of a black hole be sucked out of existence from our universe like a hole in a balloon. What if Hawking radiation is actually leakage from the next universe, bc it isn't affected by gravity the same way? 🤯🤯🤯
Is there a way to calculate how fast the initial expansion was in the first fractions of a second after the big bang? And is there a way to measure actual gravity warping? Another way, is the rate of collapse and strength of the pull of gravity uniform throughout all black holes, or are they affected by factors like size, nearby matter etc.
Right at the end of the video, Bowie's Starman started playing in the background from another tab. I have chills imagining the blackhole maker blasting this song as they create a trillion universes. Our ancestors realized that it would take the same amount of energy to create a trillion ideal universes as it would to successfully repopulate and terraform a nearby planet. Way to ensure the survival of the species.
I've often thought that instantiation of intelligence was the main outcome for a universe and therefore multiplication via black holes of more universes makes sense to deliver more intelligence. This intelligence when it reaches its peak could therefore design their next universe or more. (Never thought about also creating them faster or efficently - why is faster necessary when time probably does not exist in the bulk or hyper space? And efficiently ? Maybe there isn't an infinite amount of energy in the vacuum..) If we could design a universe by tweaking the parameters in a way that we think favours us better, would we be able to reach it (probably not) and if we could, could our evolved senses here be able to experience it ? And could you make yourself a god in the next one, called Jeff...? Who's buying the next round?
@@SnailHatan Check it out guys, it's the guy who made Psycho, risen from the dead! Are we in a black hole already? Did you enjoy being buried underground for the past 40 years? Must have been rough.
For close to 2 or 3 years now I've had an on going theory very similar to this that I thought made the most sense within all context. Either black holes opened into white holes either in this universe or into another brand new one as their big bang starts. They are sort of worm holes, or our entire universe is encapsulated into a massive black hole and it's still expanding with tiny black holes inside it. This Is so interesting I love it!
1. There doesn't seem to be a clear path between low-level intelligence universes (that cannot purposefully produce black holes) and high-level intelligence universe (that can purposefully produce black holes). So there would have to be an near endless amount of ancestor universes for this random chance to occur. However, AFTER it has occurred (which it will if time is unlimited), then that branch of universes would be prodigious, and perhaps make out the majority of total universes (meaning at any given point, it would be more likely to exist within one of these universes). 2. Even if intelligence COULD (efficiently) produce black holes, what is the incentive to do so? I didn't see the whole episode, just this clip, but if Jeffrey doesn't have some idea of this, I think that's a weak point in his argument.
When I was 16, I kept going in a mental loop trying to understand what 'Nothing' means. But about a fractal-like multiverse, if we go back each step prior, it's x billions larger than its black hole offspring.
We need to (and will) eventually discover the next "New Physics," similar to how quantum pulled us further than Newtonian models. It is comes down to the complexity of our instruments and our instruments depend on human complexity, which is based on the evolutionary process and the ultimate "computer" coding that rests at the most fundamental level. It makes perfect sense that black holes consume and then eject material/information into the next "chamber" of the universal honeycomb. Sacred geometry at work. The honeycomb universe is the ultimate experiment in someone's epic laboratory.
This is maybe the best explanations of WHY we’re here I’ve heard. But I have 1 doubt, Hawking radiation. If black holes have a finite life time as they radiate over time or ‘die’ then does this not mean that the offspring, who have evolved to build more offspring are dependent on the parent offspring to remain or survive then the evolution is redundant? Also, how does or should this evolution remain if it is tied to the host? Hope for some discussion… bring it on and I hope you make me look a fool.
Come on, man! Call it what it is: the big bang was a white hole. He said that the big bang singularity is mathmaticlly identical to a black hole. What else would you call it to simplify the terminology for a more effective conversation?
I've always questioned if black holes and a "big bang" were the same thing. The problem, or major puzzle piece, is knowing if or how matter/mass is transferred or transformed from such a small amount (let's say a galaxy being absorbed by a black hole) into what seems to be an infinite amount of matter (a universe born into another dimension). Does this mean there are tiny "big bangs" and universes with significantly less matter, but can still be perceived as infinite? The gentleman in this video has an interesting theory about universes "evolving" and almost reproducing. Lex, you da man for having these guests!!!!
I have, for 10 years plus, said to friends and family that I think black holes are the begging of a Big Bang for other universes. I have yet to watch the video but I think we’re in the same page
Assuming black holes do indeed produce universes and advanced civilizations have the capabilities and motives to produce black holes, I wonder how much more efficient they'll be if they settle in generating micro black holes in particle colliders instead of collapsing 10kg chunks of asteroid or waste material.
What if the expansion of the universe and dark matter is just the ‘spooky’ influence of matter falling into our black hole-universe, fuelling the expansion from a place we can’t communicate with or comprehend. That being if we aren’t the first universe in the ‘black hole chain’ which is more probable. Not sure if they actually touched on this subject.
Ya so the black hole that created our current universe sucking in time and space is the force that is expanding our universe! I also wonder if maybe when that black hole eventually evaporates that’s what stops the universe from expanding and at this time we start to shrink as the black hole gets smaller
@@joshuahoops9430 exactly what I was thinking! The theory of ‘the great crunch’ , forgive me if that’s the wrong name, could be the Hawking radiation of our black hole-universe collapsing over time and eventually completely. I.e when there is no more matter to fuel the black hole and counter the radiation, the universe may shrink. However it may not be that simple, there could be multiple routes for cycles of expansion and collapse, such as black hole mergers or random periods of prolonged absence of matter to fuel the black hole.
@@kaisershxikh yes for sure what this guy said honestly is so crazy it makes more sense than any theory I’ve ever heard I have always believed the entire universe is a living conscious organism and our planet is simply just a cell of that universe!
@@kaisershxikh also maybe that initial point or white hole our universe came from we are constantly getting further away from it due to the expansion it’s creating! Maybe the more black holes a universe has the longer it survives so it’s a survival technique of the universe itself
How would a single black hole produce/contain enough 'stuff' to generate an entire universe, with its own black holes, which then have their own 'child' universes?
IDK I think it's wrong. I think the BH must contain all the matter and energy of the universe it creates. So a core collapse BH is 3 to 80 solar masses, that's a pretty small lousy universe and even worse if mankind starts making 100kg mass BHs.
But as black holes consume black holes from the universe that was the genesis of our blackhole universe it would explain inflation on our universe. Time and space according to theory invert in a black hole so the time interpretation of such inflation would be utterly corrupted
@@oldman2800 Being a layperson on this subject, I've wondered similar. If black hole cosmology is correct, what happens when matter passes the singularity? Also if past present and future are all happening at the same time, would existence within it be changed every time something falls into it?
@@albertomartin4812 Exactly, the catalyst for the Big Bang, or whatever actually happened at the start of everything. Terrifying though, to imagine a universe that has always existed and always will….
Terrence mckenna has a really good piece on something called novelty, pretty much like an intelligence that works in the favor survival through weird ways which seem supernatural but also still a prt of the universe and some more. You should look into it
I have had this idea too, that black holes make new universes. However, if that's the case and if our universe is therefore from a black hole, then would we not be gaining mass as the universe on the other side of our black hole parent captures matter from the universe it orginated in?
I don’t really subscribe to the notion that black holes create universes, but if it’s true, it’s likely that a certain amount of mass is required to escape/emit from the black hole. Until that limit is reached, it just keeps consuming. And once that limit is reached, ALL of the matter in the black hole is released at once, so no, the universe wouldn’t keep gaining new mass. Of course, it’s so enormous that there’s no way to tell whether it’s gaining mass or not
Wow….love how Lex just casually and patiently waits for the End to settle the frequency of an otherwise overwhelmingly confusion of words with a simple thought of communicating through gravitational waves. Great topic to continue this discussion with hopefully a better ping pong for the ping pong match.
there's no selection pressure in this formulation so it's doesn't fit. the most you could say is that it's unsurprising that we live in a universe full of stars because universes full of stars birth more universes so the proportion of star heavy universes is close to 1
I've been thinking this since I was a kid, the universe exploded from a singularity (a point of infinite mass), black holes contain a singularity of infinite mass..... er OK so it can spawn a new universe? Usually whilst I was tramping through the fields slaying goblins and dragons with my sword.... attacking nettles, old logs and giant hogweed with a stick. Happy days, and yes this was obviously many years before the internet/mobile phones and we had to go play outside and cultivate our imagination.
Things are only stable in alliance positions with each other where they have the balance of North field and South field. The rim of black hole has dimmer regions next to brighter regions, reflecting property of waves in 2 opposite directions. When light moves away from our position, it shifts to red and becomes dimmer. When light moves toward our position, it shifts to blue and become brighter. Because light going in and out on the torus in circular motion and in wavy patterns, it creates a dimmer region next to a brighter region. Depending on the speed of the wheel of black hole, the torus shape of black hole can have a simple structure of a brighter region and a dimmee region or a more complex structure of multiple brighter regions and multiple dimmers regions
As a hypotheses it will only bear fruit if we find out that we're heavily incentivized to create black holes. We're not going to do it just because it might create universes elsewhere. We'll do it, at scale, if there is some massive benefit to doing it. So if he's right then that massive benefit is what we should look for. My guess would be black holes are somehow needed for energy or for the fields needed for long distance FTL travel.
Because matter must be in the field of the torus, things are on 2 dimension plains and these plains can have have different size and shape depending on field-field interactions. On these plains, light creates circular lines. Imagine we cut the donut of black hole with a knife going through the center. The circles of light on the donut create dots as particles when light meets a perpendicular knife. But light creates wavy indentation marks on the table parallel to the the donut ring.
Imagine that, our universe is the offspring of a process of new universes over 200 million generations, that is an impossible amount of time to comprehend. And here you are, with your conscious brain, experiencing this magical display for a fleeting moment, before you, me and everything we know will be lost forever, and replaced for eternity
Wouldn’t you still see stuff falling into the hole? Or is our universe connected to a dead or dormant black hole? All this stuff seems a little heavy on speculation
The black hole is like a torus where North field superimpose on South field to create circles of waves in 2 opposite directions. These circles can forever spiral around in the fashion of a snail shell going in and out of black hole indefinitely without meeting their beginning point. Because of wave property, different ranges of these field forces will create different discreet size of black hole; the diameter of black hole must be in a particular length to achieve the balance. Even within the black circle of a black hole, the poles constantly wobbles around to achieve the balance as a spinning wheel.
Surprisingly magnetic poles can impact on the health of plants as shown in a video on Theoria Apophasis. Sprouts concentrate and form a dense shape when facing North pole and get rotten faster, while sprouts form loosely and look healthy when facing South pole. It also reminds me why the Artica concentrates the dirt and forms land but Antarctica doesn't.
In simple terms here: We cannot come up with a unified theory because according to the calculations gravity should be much much stronger in order to fit into the equation but when we measure gravity it is the weakest force out of all the forces (strong nuclear force etc.). Therefore we have to believe in other universe, because it is possible that our gravity is somehow leaking into another universe
Thanks I did not pick up on that! So dark energy could possibly be explained away by it being the gravity exerted on the parent universe? Or could it be hawking radiation from the black hole that exists in the parent universe?
@@mapsgoonthewall5396 Yes exactly, that’s one theory about dark energy. As to the former option you mentioned, I can’t say as that’s outside my wheelhouse
@@dshepherd107 Hell it's all out of my wheelhouse. I'm just a business major that is captivated by this kind of stuff and listen to it like a five year old being told a story before bed.
I think it's not just a universe capable of producing stars. It's more than that. It's a universe capable of creating sufficient ordered complexity. Which includes larger structures like galaxies and furthermore things like life.
I know this is just a philosophical discussion based on what we understand about astrology and quantum mechanics. Having said that, what would be our incentive as intelligent beings to produce black holes?
Probably to survive. Reproduction here may mean longevity. Maybe because of potential energy depletion if we don't reproduce universes? Idk. It seems natural for things to do things in order to avoid not existing. But what is the use of things existing and striving to continue to exist? I wish the experts would ask these questions publicly.
At the beginning of the description it was incorrect. Everything didn't expand away from one point, there is no centre, everything expanded away from everything else due to the expansion of space-time and the acceleration from dark energy. Not that either of those are real things but still...
What fascinating ideas! I was raised around Catholic and Muslim traditions, loosely, and at an early age saw religion as a power grab over the superstitious (to simplify it). I took science as gospel instead, but the idea of the "big bang" never sat right. No more than the magical ideas of Christianity, really. All matter condensed to a point, which exploded for some reason, and yeah a few years later here we are. Science. It's always amazing to me that we can say that with a straight face and act like it just makes a whole bunch of sense. Walking on water? Insane! An unimaginably dense pinhead exploding and forever expanding leading to taxes and reality TV? Now that I'll buy. But the idea of a black hole initiated multiverse... I really love these talks. Lex is really killing it right now.
I have a question. Maybe someone here can answer it for me, I want to understand. He says all it takes is 10kg pushed down into a singularity to create a blackhole that is likely to expand into its own universe. Does he mean that many of the black holes in our universe one day are going to expand and create a new universe, destroying ours in the process ? Or does he mean that each of the black holes in our universe, create their own universe inwards if that makes any sense... Like all of the black holes are big bangs for universe in space parallel but not accessible to our own. I hope I asked clearly and someone can help me understand properly.
Our visitors insist that all of the light (their word for both energy and matter) is information, is intelligent and alive, but at a scale that we won't comprehend during our time locked into physical bodies. This universe isn't the first and won't be the last but the sum of the learning that sentient beings can aquire here will inform the intelligence that forms the next iteration.
Is there a critical mass point that would initiate a new big bang? Are only super massive black holes involved, and only when they have taken in a certain amount of mass and energy?
Our civilization is just one of a very large count of recursive loop. A black hole runs the program and makes the first call to the recursive function of cosmological intelligence and provides initial energy to sustain the loop which runs indefinitely until all energy has left the hole.
I imagine black hole is the center of magnetism. Magnetism we call on micro-level is the same as gravity on macro-level. Imagine we create a sphere of universe with 3 circles perpendicular to each other for us to map things inside the sphere; any point can be identified by a radius vector on this sphere. Magnetic field circles on 1st plain. Electric field circles on 2nd plain. The field of light/photons/optic is on 3rd plain. Any point can become the center of itself with these 3 circles of fields. When it moves in a bigger sphere, its fields interact with bigger fields to create itself stable in a particular space with a unique shape. Things have dipole properties and are only stable in balanced forces of their interaction fields. When we stand in a position abd look at a thing, we see the thing spins either clockwise or counterclockwise which creates itself property of magnetism pole, North or South. However, North pole or South pole has the same mechanism, we call them different name bc of our viewpoint. If we stand on top of the North pole looking down vs. standing on the South pole looking down, both of them circle in one direction bc. they are matters. Maybe antimatter circles in an opposite direction to create dark fields interacting with the fields of magnetism, electric and optic and creating forever changing waves in the universe.
But how does matter propagate into offspring universes? I would intuit (and I'm probably wrong) that the matter that falls into the event horizon would be somehow expelled in the offspring universe via its big-bang, and if that's true, then 1. how can there be an entire universe spawned from 10kg worth of material? and 2. what about matter that falls into the event horizon of a black hole after its initial formation? also what about hawking radiation of the parent black hole? does that have some sort of bearing on the laws of the child black hole? this is a very captivating theory.
Gravity isn’t a force from a conventional particle perspective, and it isn’t weak nor is it strong. Gravity can increase in strength depending on the size of the mass causing a warp in space. An extream example would be a black holes singularity gravity being more stronger then the strong nuclear forces and light which is electricmagnism can not escape a black hole’s gravity once it crosses into a certian region. Gravity can absolutely create singularities that lead to other parallel universes cause a black holes singularity become’s infinite were the laws of physics break down, which means at that point the infinite gravity of a black hole becomes the strongest force in the universe. It becomes stronger then strong & weak nuclear forces including electromagnitism.
This is a great discussion. Id say this podcast is the very best at what it does ya know what i mean? Rogans kinda a jack of all trades, theo von/chris delia win best comedy podcasts imo, and lex is the very best at the super interesting and intelligent discussions. Always asks the right questions and top tier guests, Gotta be one of the very best podcasts online hands down top 5, but the best at his game. Subscribed just now tho iv been watching i dont know how long
Smolin's idea is lent a little credence by James Gate's discovery that error correcting codes can be found in the supersymmetric equations associated with string theory. Error correcting 'codes' are found in DNA to prevent too much mutation from happening. Maybe error correcting codes are part of the fabric of the universe to control the mutations during reproduction of universes. You would not need error correcting codes if mutations were not happening at all. Error correcting codes control the rate and manner of mutations - too much and too little mutation is not good. Error correcting codes in DNA are also subject to evolution, meaning that the proper amount of error correction is selected for.
So, what happens to the unique local physics of a black hole universe, when black holes merge?? Does the smaller black hole wake-up inside the universe of the consuming black hole? Are their differing physics properties averaged out and cause a change in the localized properties of physics in the resulting merged local universe?? Does explosive Sodium and poisonous Chlorine combine to make deliciously salty?
Theyre forgetting 2 key components... law of conservatiom of mass and energy, and the law of entropy. How much information actually makes it to the other side given these laws?
If the Big Bang is the beginning of our time line, Black Holes can be the inverse within our time line. The inverse being the beginning of another time line.
No one can imagine nothing because there is no such thing as nothing and no one can imagine infinity because you would have to never stop imagining. Nothing is the absence of anything including imagination itself.
Ok so what is the driving force behind universes wanting to create new universes is the universe itself a super intelligent conscious being? This stuff makes more sense than any other theory I’ve ever heard before
This would explain how the bible was supposed to say "in a beginning" and it explains life and death and resurrection and deja vu. History repeating itself with slight changes.
I like how Lex brings in these esteemed guests and is all like "so tell me about X" and the suckers fall for it and give him top-tier tuition for free in whatever field he requires, the absolute mad lad...
They benefit from it too.. He has a platform with lots of viewers, and he's no slob
@@GhostkillerPlaysMC you missed the joke
@@zivc I really did and still am haha.. care to explain?
@@GhostkillerPlaysMC if you want to go out and learn what he’s learning from people like this you’ll acquire some life changing debt
@@Perfxnizm yeah but he's giving them a platform to speak and facilitating conversations they find interesting with informed thoughts.. That's why I don't understand the joke saying they're suckers falling for it--they benefit too
One day when I was very high, about 7 or 8 years ago, I was pondering the fact that the speed of light is the universe's speed-limit, and how this pertained to black holes. Since the latter don't even allow light to escape, and time and space are inextricably interwoven, it made perfect sense to me that time was also being reversed inside these huge engines, and that the materials being drawn into them, must be spewed out at the other end (a white hole).
My stoned conclusion was that if time was 'reversed' enough during the travel from black hole to white hole, then it'd be possible for the 'awaiting' universe outside of the white hole, to be ancient, possibly even the origin of our own universe.
I'd never heard anyone express these thoughts at that point, and although I'm not deluded by ego/arrogance, it has to be noted that I am just a factory worker, with no education within this field, so it felt like a breakthrough to me.
To hear others' theories confirming the 'possibility' that this might actually be the case, is mind-blowing, for me at least. Also, it was interesting to see the idea played out (somewhat) in the film Interstellar.
Cool theory. However, the speed of light is not the universes speed-limit; the universe it’s self is thought to expand at a rate that exceeds the speed of light. The Big Bang is believed to have caused atoms to travel at a speed exceeding the speed of light… by a lot
@@JT-iv9un Wow, I didn't know that.
Thanks.
@@JT-iv9un and to go off on more of the universes weirdness, it seems that quantum entanglement is instantaneous. I’m guessing all universe or universes are on a grid, it’s not a spacextime grid it would be on an information grid. (Just my silly theory) The ACTUAL universe is the info grid. To “quick” for time. Matter and energy to me feels as if it’s more just what our brains are “tuned” to comprehend. But matter and energy in actuality it’s a different state of information. 🤷🏼♂️
@@paulgreen2401 Two points in a line both at a fraction of the speed of light going away from each other can produce from perspective of either point to the second point the appearance that one is traveling at the speed/s they both travel away from each other combined. The speed of light may or may not be the upper limit. The expansion only has the appearance of breaking the rule. It's an illusion of perspective.
Awesome idea man!
Incredible, absolutely incredible. Cosmological evolution.
This Jeffrey dude is really good at explaining stuff.
Like John Danaher lmao
i find it interesting that when we get in intense discussions around astronomy it almost feels as "spiritual" as religion
The only difference is that there's no moral dogmatism (Please, do not hesitate to put me in my place due to this comment).
@@vytautaskleiza1448 *Puts you into place*
Now how do you like this spot Vytautas? Is it comfy here? Ok; Now stay put and contemplate Astrobiology and Cosmology with Mr Lex and friends while i go and watch some more videos. Don't talk to strangers now; Unless of course you want to discuss religion and science and have someone put you into another place! Have a good night/day! Goodbye ❤️✌️🙏
@@vytautaskleiza1448 hahah no not gonna put you in your place. You're right there doesn't seem to be a defined "moral dogmatism" with it, but something about it feels eerily similar to religion and it reminds me of the "creation stories" that we would find in many ancient religions around the world.
"Religion" was created by primitive humans. This is what all primitive cultures do. Why do you think there are hundreds of religions/gods? People 2000+ years ago didn't know much at all.
@@chrism6904 People 2000 years ago also dabbled in science, that doesn't mean science is incorrect. We've built upon what the ancients knew in terms of science. Maybe religion is similar in that none of the religions are 100% correct but they build on each other, some more than others.
Great discussion here. I have often wondered whether this was the case. This might explain the increasing expansion of the universe. As more offspring universes are brought into existence, the collective mass/energy outside of our own observable universe would increase with profound external effects on our own universe.
Did not imagine seeing you comment here, pretty awesome
External universe growth wouldn’t be the cause of our universes expansion. You’re misunderstanding the point made here. -PHD candidate
I find it interesting how on 1 end, Dr. Oyibo theorem proves that the universe is not expanding, because the universe cannot expand, because it just exist, but on the other end, Prof. Gates superstring theory provides the "as above, so below" proof, so if I put the 2 together, plus this video, it makes me question the simulation theory when reffing to what we qualify as life as in; is everything that we know as the word "existence" really a derivative of?
Perhaps the new big bangs occur instantaneously, but due to time dilation we observe black holes as relatively constant. If one could observe a black hole at a time dilation-adjusted pace, we may see all the matter of a black hole be sucked out of existence from our universe like a hole in a balloon. What if Hawking radiation is actually leakage from the next universe, bc it isn't affected by gravity the same way? 🤯🤯🤯
Is there a way to calculate how fast the initial expansion was in the first fractions of a second after the big bang? And is there a way to measure actual gravity warping? Another way, is the rate of collapse and strength of the pull of gravity uniform throughout all black holes, or are they affected by factors like size, nearby matter etc.
Well that conversation is just awesome off the scale mind boggling
I need to have breakfast now
This is like, the best clip you've released yet.
Right at the end of the video, Bowie's Starman started playing in the background from another tab. I have chills imagining the blackhole maker blasting this song as they create a trillion universes. Our ancestors realized that it would take the same amount of energy to create a trillion ideal universes as it would to successfully repopulate and terraform a nearby planet. Way to ensure the survival of the species.
I'm not the brightest bulb but I've been thinking this for years
“The concept of a lot”
Hilarious. Thanks Mr Lex.
The event horizon of a blackhole seems remarkably similar to the light horizon at the edge of the visible universe
I've often thought that instantiation of intelligence was the main outcome for a universe and therefore multiplication via black holes of more universes makes sense to deliver more intelligence. This intelligence when it reaches its peak could therefore design their next universe or more. (Never thought about also creating them faster or efficently - why is faster necessary when time probably does not exist in the bulk or hyper space? And efficiently ? Maybe there isn't an infinite amount of energy in the vacuum..)
If we could design a universe by tweaking the parameters in a way that we think favours us better, would we be able to reach it (probably not) and if we could, could our evolved senses here be able to experience it ? And could you make yourself a god in the next one, called Jeff...?
Who's buying the next round?
In an era of societal psychosis, thank you Lex, for providing fundamental truths in conversation that the world needs as a proper distraction
If these truths are mete distractions to you, you should probably examine your life
@@SnailHatan Check it out guys, it's the guy who made Psycho, risen from the dead! Are we in a black hole already? Did you enjoy being buried underground for the past 40 years? Must have been rough.
Am I wrong in saying that this is pure speculation? No way to prove this (or falsify it)...?
It's also like the panspermia theory, it doesn't solve the problem, it just moves it further away from us.
For close to 2 or 3 years now I've had an on going theory very similar to this that I thought made the most sense within all context.
Either black holes opened into white holes either in this universe or into another brand new one as their big bang starts. They are sort of worm holes, or our entire universe is encapsulated into a massive black hole and it's still expanding with tiny black holes inside it. This Is so interesting I love it!
1. There doesn't seem to be a clear path between low-level intelligence universes (that cannot purposefully produce black holes) and high-level intelligence universe (that can purposefully produce black holes). So there would have to be an near endless amount of ancestor universes for this random chance to occur. However, AFTER it has occurred (which it will if time is unlimited), then that branch of universes would be prodigious, and perhaps make out the majority of total universes (meaning at any given point, it would be more likely to exist within one of these universes).
2. Even if intelligence COULD (efficiently) produce black holes, what is the incentive to do so? I didn't see the whole episode, just this clip, but if Jeffrey doesn't have some idea of this, I think that's a weak point in his argument.
Lex: Who's Lee Smolin?
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When I was 16, I kept going in a mental loop trying to understand what 'Nothing' means. But about a fractal-like multiverse, if we go back each step prior, it's x billions larger than its black hole offspring.
I was aware of the idea universes can be inside black holes but the notion of cosmological evolution is absolutely mind-blowing
We need to (and will) eventually discover the next "New Physics," similar to how quantum pulled us further than Newtonian models. It is comes down to the complexity of our instruments and our instruments depend on human complexity, which is based on the evolutionary process and the ultimate "computer" coding that rests at the most fundamental level. It makes perfect sense that black holes consume and then eject material/information into the next "chamber" of the universal honeycomb. Sacred geometry at work. The honeycomb universe is the ultimate experiment in someone's epic laboratory.
This is maybe the best explanations of WHY we’re here I’ve heard. But I have 1 doubt, Hawking radiation. If black holes have a finite life time as they radiate over time or ‘die’ then does this not mean that the offspring, who have evolved to build more offspring are dependent on the parent offspring to remain or survive then the evolution is redundant?
Also, how does or should this evolution remain if it is tied to the host?
Hope for some discussion… bring it on and I hope you make me look a fool.
Hawking radiation hasn't been proven to be a fact, its very possible that black holes do not actually decay.
What happens when the first black hole in the original universe dies? Wouldn’t that destroy every other universe/black hole created from that?
what if there wasnt a first
Come on, man! Call it what it is: the big bang was a white hole. He said that the big bang singularity is mathmaticlly identical to a black hole. What else would you call it to simplify the terminology for a more effective conversation?
zero is mathematically identical to one if you subtract itself from itself.
I've always questioned if black holes and a "big bang" were the same thing. The problem, or major puzzle piece, is knowing if or how matter/mass is transferred or transformed from such a small amount (let's say a galaxy being absorbed by a black hole) into what seems to be an infinite amount of matter (a universe born into another dimension). Does this mean there are tiny "big bangs" and universes with significantly less matter, but can still be perceived as infinite? The gentleman in this video has an interesting theory about universes "evolving" and almost reproducing. Lex, you da man for having these guests!!!!
I have, for 10 years plus, said to friends and family that I think black holes are the begging of a Big Bang for other universes. I have yet to watch the video but I think we’re in the same page
ive always thought that if you could travel thru a black hole it might lead to a new universe.
If humans are able to come up with the technology to form small black holes, maybe we really WERE selected for...
Assuming black holes do indeed produce universes and advanced civilizations have the capabilities and motives to produce black holes, I wonder how much more efficient they'll be if they settle in generating micro black holes in particle colliders instead of collapsing 10kg chunks of asteroid or waste material.
What if the expansion of the universe and dark matter is just the ‘spooky’ influence of matter falling into our black hole-universe, fuelling the expansion from a place we can’t communicate with or comprehend. That being if we aren’t the first universe in the ‘black hole chain’ which is more probable. Not sure if they actually touched on this subject.
Ya so the black hole that created our current universe sucking in time and space is the force that is expanding our universe! I also wonder if maybe when that black hole eventually evaporates that’s what stops the universe from expanding and at this time we start to shrink as the black hole gets smaller
@@joshuahoops9430 exactly what I was thinking! The theory of ‘the great crunch’ , forgive me if that’s the wrong name, could be the Hawking radiation of our black hole-universe collapsing over time and eventually completely. I.e when there is no more matter to fuel the black hole and counter the radiation, the universe may shrink. However it may not be that simple, there could be multiple routes for cycles of expansion and collapse, such as black hole mergers or random periods of prolonged absence of matter to fuel the black hole.
@@kaisershxikh yes for sure what this guy said honestly is so crazy it makes more sense than any theory I’ve ever heard I have always believed the entire universe is a living conscious organism and our planet is simply just a cell of that universe!
@@kaisershxikh also maybe that initial point or white hole our universe came from we are constantly getting further away from it due to the expansion it’s creating! Maybe the more black holes a universe has the longer it survives so it’s a survival technique of the universe itself
@@joshuahoops9430 that would be insane if the universe was actually conscious
How would a single black hole produce/contain enough 'stuff' to generate an entire universe, with its own black holes, which then have their own 'child' universes?
So if universes are the product or offspring of a parent universe via black holes, then how did the first universe come into existence?
IDK I think it's wrong. I think the BH must contain all the matter and energy of the universe it creates. So a core collapse BH is 3 to 80 solar masses, that's a pretty small lousy universe and even worse if mankind starts making 100kg mass BHs.
I was thinking the same.
But as black holes consume black holes from the universe that was the genesis of our blackhole universe it would explain inflation on our universe. Time and space according to theory invert in a black hole so the time interpretation of such inflation would be utterly corrupted
Not a scientist, but if what was described about borrowing energy is wrong, maybe it just scales down with every iteration?
@@oldman2800 Being a layperson on this subject, I've wondered similar. If black hole cosmology is correct, what happens when matter passes the singularity? Also if past present and future are all happening at the same time, would existence within it be changed every time something falls into it?
The only thing worthy of being called "God" is the totality of the infinite multiverse as a whole.
To me, God would be the key to the question of why there is something rather than nothing.
@@albertomartin4812 Exactly, the catalyst for the Big Bang, or whatever actually happened at the start of everything. Terrifying though, to imagine a universe that has always existed and always will….
Terrence mckenna has a really good piece on something called novelty, pretty much like an intelligence that works in the favor survival through weird ways which seem supernatural but also still a prt of the universe and some more. You should look into it
@@albertomartin4812 Nothing is inherently nonsensical. You will always have possibility of some sort. Even with no space or time.
Why would the universe have a beginning though? Makes much more sense that it's eternally existing, never ending evolution, that never began either.
I have had this idea too, that black holes make new universes. However, if that's the case and if our universe is therefore from a black hole, then would we not be gaining mass as the universe on the other side of our black hole parent captures matter from the universe it orginated in?
I don’t really subscribe to the notion that black holes create universes, but if it’s true, it’s likely that a certain amount of mass is required to escape/emit from the black hole. Until that limit is reached, it just keeps consuming. And once that limit is reached, ALL of the matter in the black hole is released at once, so no, the universe wouldn’t keep gaining new mass.
Of course, it’s so enormous that there’s no way to tell whether it’s gaining mass or not
Wow….love how Lex just casually and patiently waits for the End to settle the frequency of an otherwise overwhelmingly confusion of words with a simple thought of communicating through gravitational waves. Great topic to continue this discussion with hopefully a better ping pong for the ping pong match.
there's no selection pressure in this formulation so it's doesn't fit. the most you could say is that it's unsurprising that we live in a universe full of stars because universes full of stars birth more universes so the proportion of star heavy universes is close to 1
I've been thinking this since I was a kid, the universe exploded from a singularity (a point of infinite mass), black holes contain a singularity of infinite mass..... er OK so it can spawn a new universe? Usually whilst I was tramping through the fields slaying goblins and dragons with my sword.... attacking nettles, old logs and giant hogweed with a stick.
Happy days, and yes this was obviously many years before the internet/mobile phones and we had to go play outside and cultivate our imagination.
I like the idea of gravitational communication. Sorta Like echolocation. I wonder if Aliens use quantum entanglement for communication
Things are only stable in alliance positions with each other where they have the balance of North field and South field. The rim of black hole has dimmer regions next to brighter regions, reflecting property of waves in 2 opposite directions. When light moves away from our position, it shifts to red and becomes dimmer. When light moves toward our position, it shifts to blue and become brighter. Because light going in and out on the torus in circular motion and in wavy patterns, it creates a dimmer region next to a brighter region. Depending on the speed of the wheel of black hole, the torus shape of black hole can have a simple structure of a brighter region and a dimmee region or a more complex structure of multiple brighter regions and multiple dimmers regions
As a hypotheses it will only bear fruit if we find out that we're heavily incentivized to create black holes. We're not going to do it just because it might create universes elsewhere. We'll do it, at scale, if there is some massive benefit to doing it. So if he's right then that massive benefit is what we should look for. My guess would be black holes are somehow needed for energy or for the fields needed for long distance FTL travel.
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We can make it bigger, stronger, faster. It’s the 6 million dollar universe
Great clip, learning something new everytime. I had no idea Bradley Cooper knew so much about space.
Haha that was my thought exactly
Because matter must be in the field of the torus, things are on 2 dimension plains and these plains can have have different size and shape depending on field-field interactions. On these plains, light creates circular lines. Imagine we cut the donut of black hole with a knife going through the center. The circles of light on the donut create dots as particles when light meets a perpendicular knife. But light creates wavy indentation marks on the table parallel to the the donut ring.
This is beautiful. I am changed.
Imagine that, our universe is the offspring of a process of new universes over 200 million generations, that is an impossible amount of time to comprehend.
And here you are, with your conscious brain, experiencing this magical display for a fleeting moment, before you, me and everything we know will be lost forever, and replaced for eternity
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Very good idea. I’m looking forward to reading more about it! Darwin FTW AGAIN! :D
too much struggle lots of pain i suffer myself but never give up keep going
Wouldn’t you still see stuff falling into the hole? Or is our universe connected to a dead or dormant black hole? All this stuff seems a little heavy on speculation
The black hole is like a torus where North field superimpose on South field to create circles of waves in 2 opposite directions. These circles can forever spiral around in the fashion of a snail shell going in and out of black hole indefinitely without meeting their beginning point. Because of wave property, different ranges of these field forces will create different discreet size of black hole; the diameter of black hole must be in a particular length to achieve the balance. Even within the black circle of a black hole, the poles constantly wobbles around to achieve the balance as a spinning wheel.
Surprisingly magnetic poles can impact on the health of plants as shown in a video on Theoria Apophasis. Sprouts concentrate and form a dense shape when facing North pole and get rotten faster, while sprouts form loosely and look healthy when facing South pole. It also reminds me why the Artica concentrates the dirt and forms land but Antarctica doesn't.
Nature is neither the limit nor the catalyst of our progress. Nature is more like the canvas we live on.
The real question is what type of void was the singlearity in. If it's a vast void of nothingness multiple bangs could accure
In simple terms here:
We cannot come up with a unified theory because according to the calculations gravity should be much much stronger in order to fit into the equation but when we measure gravity it is the weakest force out of all the forces (strong nuclear force etc.). Therefore we have to believe in other universe, because it is possible that our gravity is somehow leaking into another universe
Thanks I did not pick up on that! So dark energy could possibly be explained away by it being the gravity exerted on the parent universe? Or could it be hawking radiation from the black hole that exists in the parent universe?
@@mapsgoonthewall5396 Yes exactly, that’s one theory about dark energy. As to the former option you mentioned, I can’t say as that’s outside my wheelhouse
@@dshepherd107 Hell it's all out of my wheelhouse. I'm just a business major that is captivated by this kind of stuff and listen to it like a five year old being told a story before bed.
I think it's not just a universe capable of producing stars. It's more than that. It's a universe capable of creating sufficient ordered complexity. Which includes larger structures like galaxies and furthermore things like life.
I know this is just a philosophical discussion based on what we understand about astrology and quantum mechanics.
Having said that, what would be our incentive as intelligent beings to produce black holes?
Probably to survive. Reproduction here may mean longevity. Maybe because of potential energy depletion if we don't reproduce universes? Idk. It seems natural for things to do things in order to avoid not existing. But what is the use of things existing and striving to continue to exist? I wish the experts would ask these questions publicly.
At the beginning of the description it was incorrect. Everything didn't expand away from one point, there is no centre, everything expanded away from everything else due to the expansion of space-time and the acceleration from dark energy. Not that either of those are real things but still...
What fascinating ideas! I was raised around Catholic and Muslim traditions, loosely, and at an early age saw religion as a power grab over the superstitious (to simplify it). I took science as gospel instead, but the idea of the "big bang" never sat right. No more than the magical ideas of Christianity, really. All matter condensed to a point, which exploded for some reason, and yeah a few years later here we are. Science.
It's always amazing to me that we can say that with a straight face and act like it just makes a whole bunch of sense. Walking on water? Insane! An unimaginably dense pinhead exploding and forever expanding leading to taxes and reality TV? Now that I'll buy.
But the idea of a black hole initiated multiverse... I really love these talks. Lex is really killing it right now.
So the big bang theory is largely correct, just incomplete.
Lex you’re blowing my mind, man.
I have a question. Maybe someone here can answer it for me, I want to understand. He says all it takes is 10kg pushed down into a singularity to create a blackhole that is likely to expand into its own universe. Does he mean that many of the black holes in our universe one day are going to expand and create a new universe, destroying ours in the process ? Or does he mean that each of the black holes in our universe, create their own universe inwards if that makes any sense... Like all of the black holes are big bangs for universe in space parallel but not accessible to our own. I hope I asked clearly and someone can help me understand properly.
Our visitors insist that all of the light (their word for both energy and matter) is information, is intelligent and alive, but at a scale that we won't comprehend during our time locked into physical bodies. This universe isn't the first and won't be the last but the sum of the learning that sentient beings can aquire here will inform the intelligence that forms the next iteration.
"I'm just human" good one Lex!
Gravitational waves… so are those subject to classical wave mechanics like constructive and destructive interference?
Yes
I've wondered the same thing. I also wonder if the cosmic web of dark matter could be a form of constructive/destructive interference?
This is an incredible conversation
Is there a critical mass point that would initiate a new big bang? Are only super massive black holes involved, and only when they have taken in a certain amount of mass and energy?
Our civilization is just one of a very large count of recursive loop. A black hole runs the program and makes the first call to the recursive function of cosmological intelligence and provides initial energy to sustain the loop which runs indefinitely until all energy has left the hole.
I've never heard this idea before. Really cool thank you.
But what would be the motivation of an intelligent species to spend resources on manufacturing trillions of black holes?
This theory makes perfect sense
I imagine black hole is the center of magnetism. Magnetism we call on micro-level is the same as gravity on macro-level. Imagine we create a sphere of universe with 3 circles perpendicular to each other for us to map things inside the sphere; any point can be identified by a radius vector on this sphere. Magnetic field circles on 1st plain. Electric field circles on 2nd plain. The field of light/photons/optic is on 3rd plain. Any point can become the center of itself with these 3 circles of fields. When it moves in a bigger sphere, its fields interact with bigger fields to create itself stable in a particular space with a unique shape.
Things have dipole properties and are only stable in balanced forces of their interaction fields. When we stand in a position abd look at a thing, we see the thing spins either clockwise or counterclockwise which creates itself property of magnetism pole, North or South. However, North pole or South pole has the same mechanism, we call them different name bc of our viewpoint. If we stand on top of the North pole looking down vs. standing on the South pole looking down, both of them circle in one direction bc. they are matters. Maybe antimatter circles in an opposite direction to create dark fields interacting with the fields of magnetism, electric and optic and creating forever changing waves in the universe.
"Allows for the univers to know itself". My Minbari geek meter just went off.🤓
the bridge between dimensions is the way that time is rotating. black holes must change that 4th axis of rotation.
Yeah - that sounds totally awesome. Also: how do you experimentally test any of this at all?
One night on acid, as I looked up to the stars I realised how it was all connected. But like waking from a dream, revelations evaporated.
Mind blown...know matter what your beliefs are...it lends it's self to everything
So where did the first universe come from? What was before it? Where did the immense energy come from?
But how does matter propagate into offspring universes? I would intuit (and I'm probably wrong) that the matter that falls into the event horizon would be somehow expelled in the offspring universe via its big-bang, and if that's true, then 1. how can there be an entire universe spawned from 10kg worth of material? and 2. what about matter that falls into the event horizon of a black hole after its initial formation? also what about hawking radiation of the parent black hole? does that have some sort of bearing on the laws of the child black hole? this is a very captivating theory.
The craziest part is that they said our purpose is to create more universes
They didn’t say that. He said IF that was the case
I’m curious what he hypothesizes what occurs in those “universes” when black holes merge?
This is what I've thought for some time now.
I thought Lee Smolin discussed the possibility of intelligence creating black holes -in the last part of the 'Life of the Cosmos' ?
Gravity isn’t a force from a conventional particle perspective, and it isn’t weak nor is it strong. Gravity can increase in strength depending on the size of the mass causing a warp in space. An extream example would be a black holes singularity gravity being more stronger then the strong nuclear forces and light which is electricmagnism can not escape a black hole’s gravity once it crosses into a certian region. Gravity can absolutely create singularities that lead to other parallel universes cause a black holes singularity become’s infinite were the laws of physics break down, which means at that point the infinite gravity of a black hole becomes the strongest force in the universe. It becomes stronger then strong & weak nuclear forces including electromagnitism.
This is a great discussion.
Id say this podcast is the very best at what it does ya know what i mean? Rogans kinda a jack of all trades, theo von/chris delia win best comedy podcasts imo, and lex is the very best at the super interesting and intelligent discussions. Always asks the right questions and top tier guests,
Gotta be one of the very best podcasts online hands down top 5, but the best at his game.
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Smolin's idea is lent a little credence by James Gate's discovery that error correcting codes can be found in the supersymmetric equations associated with string theory. Error correcting 'codes' are found in DNA to prevent too much mutation from happening. Maybe error correcting codes are part of the fabric of the universe to control the mutations during reproduction of universes. You would not need error correcting codes if mutations were not happening at all. Error correcting codes control the rate and manner of mutations - too much and too little mutation is not good. Error correcting codes in DNA are also subject to evolution, meaning that the proper amount of error correction is selected for.
So, what happens to the unique local physics of a black hole universe, when black holes merge??
Does the smaller black hole wake-up inside the universe of the consuming black hole? Are their differing physics properties averaged out and cause a change in the localized properties of physics in the resulting merged local universe?? Does explosive Sodium and poisonous Chlorine combine to make deliciously salty?
I knew that as a child. About time yall catching up.
So in this theory what happens when blackholes collide ?
Oh so you're a fan of black holes? Name three of their songs.
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Theyre forgetting 2 key components... law of conservatiom of mass and energy, and the law of entropy. How much information actually makes it to the other side given these laws?
If the Big Bang is the beginning of our time line, Black Holes can be the inverse within our time line. The inverse being the beginning of another time line.
No one can imagine nothing because there is no such thing as nothing and no one can imagine infinity because you would have to never stop imagining. Nothing is the absence of anything including imagination itself.
Ok so what is the driving force behind universes wanting to create new universes is the universe itself a super intelligent conscious being? This stuff makes more sense than any other theory I’ve ever heard before
How I interpreted what he was saying is that a universe is like early single cell life on earth. It reproduces and evolution occurs each generation.
what would be the reason for a species to make a black hole, though?
This would explain how the bible was supposed to say "in a beginning" and it explains life and death and resurrection and deja vu. History repeating itself with slight changes.
H.P Lovecraft came up that story first. Great idea and super fun.