43:48 김해고(Gimhae High School) is a high school located in Gimhae City, South Korea. and my alma mater. 12회(The 12th year of Gimhae High School) means the 12th year of graduation. As of 2022, we have the 46th graduate. I feel a lot of joy in this video in Korea.
Great documentary. Beautiful people. There's one constant, regardless of where around this earth you are, people are generally good. We get caught up in our small world's, whether here in the US or there in Zambia, local or national problems tend to occupy our lives and we become tribal, us and them. Never taking the time to actually know what or why we all do the things we do. At the center of all that, is people, and that's where you find that we are all generally good hearted and want the best, to survive. Hope everyone has a great day, be safe. Peace ✌️
Superb documentary, with humor and skills; we must make it known, the lake is in danger ... I know a little about the problem of subsistence fishing, with its constant drop in catches. Another problem is that of the risks weighing on certain ornamental fish (which is one of my hobbies), with there also an irrational fishing; This inestimable heritage - which is also that of the riparian countries, must now face serious threats. Protecting these species which have become fragile is a delicate problem because demand is high, while local decisions are very difficult to take ... Have you ever had the opportunity to work on ornamental fish, for example on cichlids? thanks !
Hi Gerard, You raise the point of the multiple dangers about depending on one single demand to make a living. My point is that the more diversified you are, the better chances you have to adapt to crises. When a community (whether it be animal groups, human businesses, etc.) are too specialized in one single source of subsistence, they find themselves in a critical situation, being more vulnerable to sudden changes. You might over-exploit one resource until it collapses and you have no other way of subsistence, but you might also crash before that because the single resource you depend on suddenly has no demand, therefore no value. You also raise the point that local decisions are very difficult to take. Like elsewhere, short-term issues prevail over mid-term concerns. But there are ways to combine short-term interests with solutions that match social, environmental and economical stakes :) I would like to go back after 10 years to see whether the solutions mentioned in the movie have rooted :)
When I first met Thomas he introduced himself with these exact words. That gave me the impression that he was first of all proud of his country - as you can tell by the views he presents in the documentary - and then only would he tell me his occupation. I thought I would try to reproduce this feeling in the narration :)
beautifully documented all people have spoken wise words .... people are too corrupt and selfish to think of others and their future, we are doomed to hunger. this thing happens all over the planet, all the riches of the world are probably divided by 2/3% of the rest of the population starving to death or a middle class .... in order to be good the riches of the world must be divided with the rest. to exp; what to do with a man with 10000.0000.00000 million dollars when there are millions of people who have 3 dollars a day in the house
Local communities, and in particular older generations, often have a sound knowledge of their own environment. Issues arise when older generations cannot pass on their ecological knowledge to younger ones. This can happen for multiple reasons. Another related concern is that during its youth, every generation builds its own perception of what it will later consider to be a "healthy ecosystem". In a situation where ecosystems keep eroding over time, the perceived standards of a "healthy ecosystem" are therefore weaker and weaker. Daniel Pauly, a fisheries researcher from Canada, called this phenomenon "shifting baseline syndrome" in 1995.
you cannot talk about stopping fishing without proposing them an alternative. that is rude and impossible. you can for example teach them fish farming.
How difficult or time consuming (if possible at all) would it be to travel to a neighboring country that is also on the lake. i.e. Zambia to congo or Zambia to Tanzania. Tanzania to Congo etc.
We don't know what will happen, only God knows ". Apparently Africa don't bother to search for solutions to their problems but throw everything to a God
Does anyone really know what the future holds anywhere? Truth be told, "only God knows." Not many easy answers, but that seems to be life everywhere these days.
QUE ALEGRIA QUE FELICIDADE SE UM DIA A GENTE PUDESSE CONHECER UM LUGAR DESSE UM MUNDO DIFERENTE DO NOSSO PAIS BRASIL AFRICA E UM CONTINENTE QUE TEM MUITAS COISAS INTERESSANTE E BONITA PARA MOSTRAR PARA O MUNDO
At the 35:32 min mark in the video, the white researchers are having dinner. One of the researchers, an American woman, says this about Mpulungu, the Zambian town where this documentary is shot: "The thing I can't get over is the garbage. It just bothers me so much." "I mean..." (at this point, the editor of the documentary removes the subtitles, but the American woman's inflammatory statement that follows is clearly audible): American woman: "Mpulungu is a real shit hole. but It's made worse by, the way that, I mean, there's rubbish everywhere. It's TERRIBLE! This documentary follows a long line of similarly exploitative documentaries in what can be described as "White Savior Complex" in which white people go to Africa presenting themselves as altruistic while implicitly conveying a racist viewpoint. Another good example of this kind of exploitative filmmaking is the documentary "Darwin's Nightmare," which uses another African lake ( Lake Victoria) to convey a similar message. It's worth noting that while the "researchers" in this documentary bemoan what they describes as overfishing on Lake Tanganyika, they never present any solutions or viable alternatives for the vulnerable populations that depend on the lake for their livelihoods. Don't be fooled: Racism under the guise of altruism is still racism.
Yes, the american woman pronounces highly questionable comments - and I could just have it cut off the final edit. I decided to leave it there instead, since I wanted to expose it - assuming that the audience could make its own mind about whether this comment is appropriate or not. This movie aims to highlight culture gaps, but also universal issues in managing resources at a global scale, regardless of where you live and the culture you grew up in. I am sure you would have guessed it if you had watched the entire movie. Since you apparently did not, let me assure you that this movie does not present "white people as saviors". In fact, most progressive ideas are presented by locals. Just watch it and open your mind a little. As of piegeon-holing this work as racist... come on man, you can't be serious...
@Ngana I think you over thinking and going for glory here, 1) If the documentary did not expose this ignorance or hush views of the area and chose to cut it out, then are you really documenting or being true to the documentary?? 2) What is exploitative really in a science and research documentary? 3) The solutions and viable alternatives are mentioned through out the documentary, did you really watch, I did, 3 times. 4) DON'T BE A HERO THE WRONG WAY, this is not a charity pitch deck, they clearly say that and what are you doing about it yourself if there are no solutions, give us some. One person giving an opinion in a casual setting and you are quick to bring out all these concepts and neglect what the documentary is trying to achieve. A typical case of crying wolf, you have proved that you are a crusader against racism but choose your battles carefully, a lot of Africans would express similar sentiments as expressed by the lady if they are plucked from their comfortable middle class city dwellings to places like these. Understand the hardship and commitment that these people go through in this environment and you want them not to complain about a single or be in their element at any point. @Pepzypepz, great work, do not be disheartened, not just Africa but the world needs scientists and filmmakers like you lot.
"Fishing" as a food source must be banned. Especially in those lakes. Lakes are closed systems and they cannot heal themselves like Oceans&seas. People shouldn't eat what they don't breed. Breed fish in farms, even in land and eat them, they are eating the nature and one day it will be gone forever.
43:48 김해고(Gimhae High School) is a high school located in Gimhae City, South Korea. and my alma mater. 12회(The 12th year of Gimhae High School) means the 12th year of graduation. As of 2022, we have the 46th graduate. I feel a lot of joy in this video in Korea.
Two years, 400ish views. What a shame for a fine documentary like this
Quite fantastic actually
Well spoken mr greenson kapisha
Thank you for sharing. I keep and breed many fish from the lake and hope to visit one day
Your tank inspired me to set up a rapids tank with A. ternetzi, L. ortomaculatus and L. Granti.
Interesting and feisty fish
Great documentary. Beautiful people. There's one constant, regardless of where around this earth you are, people are generally good. We get caught up in our small world's, whether here in the US or there in Zambia, local or national problems tend to occupy our lives and we become tribal, us and them. Never taking the time to actually know what or why we all do the things we do. At the center of all that, is people, and that's where you find that we are all generally good hearted and want the best, to survive. Hope everyone has a great day, be safe.
Peace ✌️
Beautiful people and lake ,maybe one day I will go back
Superb documentary, with humor and skills; we must make it known, the lake is in danger ...
I know a little about the problem of subsistence fishing, with its constant drop in catches. Another problem is that of the risks weighing on certain ornamental fish (which is one of my hobbies), with there also an irrational fishing; This inestimable heritage - which is also that of the riparian countries, must now face serious threats. Protecting these species which have become fragile is a delicate problem because demand is high, while local decisions are very difficult to take ...
Have you ever had the opportunity to work on ornamental fish, for example on cichlids?
thanks !
Hi Gerard,
You raise the point of the multiple dangers about depending on one single demand to make a living. My point is that the more diversified you are, the better chances you have to adapt to crises. When a community (whether it be animal groups, human businesses, etc.) are too specialized in one single source of subsistence, they find themselves in a critical situation, being more vulnerable to sudden changes. You might over-exploit one resource until it collapses and you have no other way of subsistence, but you might also crash before that because the single resource you depend on suddenly has no demand, therefore no value.
You also raise the point that local decisions are very difficult to take. Like elsewhere, short-term issues prevail over mid-term concerns. But there are ways to combine short-term interests with solutions that match social, environmental and economical stakes :)
I would like to go back after 10 years to see whether the solutions mentioned in the movie have rooted :)
"Thomas is a Zambian, and a businessman too"!
What about "Thomas is a Zambian businessman"?
Great doc though!
When I first met Thomas he introduced himself with these exact words. That gave me the impression that he was first of all proud of his country - as you can tell by the views he presents in the documentary - and then only would he tell me his occupation.
I thought I would try to reproduce this feeling in the narration :)
Grammar pedant I see. Did you get the message?
Wonderful documentary
beautifully documented all people have spoken wise words .... people are too corrupt and selfish to think of others and their future, we are doomed to hunger. this thing happens all over the planet, all the riches of the world are probably divided by 2/3% of the rest of the population starving to death or a middle class .... in order to be good the riches of the world must be divided with the rest. to exp; what to do with a man with 10000.0000.00000 million dollars when there are millions of people who have 3 dollars a day in the house
This is interesting . It is true that if nobody teaches them , they will never know.
Or maybe they know the real meaning of life.Love to the mother earth and the animal life and love.
Local communities, and in particular older generations, often have a sound knowledge of their own environment. Issues arise when older generations cannot pass on their ecological knowledge to younger ones. This can happen for multiple reasons.
Another related concern is that during its youth, every generation builds its own perception of what it will later consider to be a "healthy ecosystem". In a situation where ecosystems keep eroding over time, the perceived standards of a "healthy ecosystem" are therefore weaker and weaker. Daniel Pauly, a fisheries researcher from Canada, called this phenomenon "shifting baseline syndrome" in 1995.
you cannot talk about stopping fishing without proposing them an alternative. that is rude and impossible. you can for example teach them fish farming.
How difficult or time consuming (if possible at all) would it be to travel to a neighboring country that is also on the lake. i.e. Zambia to congo or Zambia to Tanzania. Tanzania to Congo etc.
2 largest lake, Carrying 16% of Earth's clean,fresh water.🌍🖤🌊🌊🔥🔥⚫🔴👑✨
their scale of fishing isn't enough to cause srs damage,
not industrialised enough.
let them be.
We don't know what will happen, only God knows ". Apparently Africa don't bother to search for solutions to their problems but throw everything to a God
Does anyone really know what the future holds anywhere? Truth be told, "only God knows." Not many easy answers, but that seems to be life everywhere these days.
Did the boat captain say there are thieves in the lake?
I think Greenson meant "poachers", although there are also thefts reported in the area
Environmental catastrophe caused by lack of gvt control
Wrong.. this here is the sixth largest lake in the world!!!
You are certainly right if you consider areas. However, if you look at volumes Tanganyika holds the second spot indeed ;)
QUE ALEGRIA QUE FELICIDADE SE UM DIA A GENTE PUDESSE CONHECER UM LUGAR DESSE UM MUNDO DIFERENTE DO NOSSO PAIS BRASIL AFRICA E UM CONTINENTE QUE TEM MUITAS COISAS INTERESSANTE E BONITA PARA MOSTRAR PARA O MUNDO
conhecer o mundo é uma boa ideia......AGORA ANDAR DE BARCO NO LAGO TANGANIKA COM GUSTAVE A SOLTA É SUICIDIO
💯👍🏿👀
At the 35:32 min mark in the video, the white researchers are having dinner.
One of the researchers, an American woman, says this about Mpulungu, the Zambian town where this documentary is shot:
"The thing I can't get over is the garbage. It just bothers me so much."
"I mean..." (at this point, the editor of the documentary removes the subtitles, but the American woman's inflammatory statement that follows is clearly audible):
American woman: "Mpulungu is a real shit hole. but It's made worse by, the way that, I mean, there's rubbish everywhere. It's TERRIBLE!
This documentary follows a long line of similarly exploitative documentaries in what can be described as "White Savior Complex" in which white people go to Africa presenting themselves as altruistic while implicitly conveying a racist viewpoint. Another good example of this kind of exploitative filmmaking is the documentary "Darwin's Nightmare," which uses another African lake ( Lake Victoria) to convey a similar message.
It's worth noting that while the "researchers" in this documentary bemoan what they describes as overfishing on Lake Tanganyika, they never present any solutions or viable alternatives for the vulnerable populations that depend on the lake for their livelihoods.
Don't be fooled: Racism under the guise of altruism is still racism.
Dear Ngana, have you actually watched the full movie ?
Yes, the american woman pronounces highly questionable comments - and I could just have it cut off the final edit.
I decided to leave it there instead, since I wanted to expose it - assuming that the audience could make its own mind about whether this comment is appropriate or not. This movie aims to highlight culture gaps, but also universal issues in managing resources at a global scale, regardless of where you live and the culture you grew up in. I am sure you would have guessed it if you had watched the entire movie.
Since you apparently did not, let me assure you that this movie does not present "white people as saviors". In fact, most progressive ideas are presented by locals. Just watch it and open your mind a little. As of piegeon-holing this work as racist... come on man, you can't be serious...
@Ngana I think you over thinking and going for glory here, 1) If the documentary did not expose this ignorance or hush views of the area and chose to cut it out, then are you really documenting or being true to the documentary?? 2) What is exploitative really in a science and research documentary? 3) The solutions and viable alternatives are mentioned through out the documentary, did you really watch, I did, 3 times. 4) DON'T BE A HERO THE WRONG WAY, this is not a charity pitch deck, they clearly say that and what are you doing about it yourself if there are no solutions, give us some. One person giving an opinion in a casual setting and you are quick to bring out all these concepts and neglect what the documentary is trying to achieve. A typical case of crying wolf, you have proved that you are a crusader against racism but choose your battles carefully, a lot of Africans would express similar sentiments as expressed by the lady if they are plucked from their comfortable middle class city dwellings to places like these. Understand the hardship and commitment that these people go through in this environment and you want them not to complain about a single or be in their element at any point. @Pepzypepz, great work, do not be disheartened, not just Africa but the world needs scientists and filmmakers like you lot.
"Fishing" as a food source must be banned. Especially in those lakes. Lakes are closed systems and they cannot heal themselves like Oceans&seas.
People shouldn't eat what they don't breed. Breed fish in farms, even in land and eat them, they are eating the nature and one day it will be gone forever.
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Bludging sycophants under the guise of research.
What do you mean ?
tous va bien jusqu'à que homme blanc arrive
Rien à voir avec le film