How Can Konami TCG Improve How They Communicate with the Players? Ban List Discussion | August 2024

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  • @Infinite8blue
    @Infinite8blue 2 месяца назад +41

    There is clear difference between late August and the last day of August. I swear Konami is trying to upset their player base. When the said late August it's given that we should get the list within that last 2 weeks of August.

    • @justinkassel4281
      @justinkassel4281 2 месяца назад +3

      Yeah that's bullshit they had the list done for dam sure a week in advance I sure there just waiting to release it might as well release it tomorrow and not Saturday

    • @CHA0SBLEEDS
      @CHA0SBLEEDS 2 месяца назад +2

      When people say "Late August" I personally assume it's the last week of August. They chose the last day. Within the last 2 weeks is Mid to late August. I'm not even sure why people are so upset about a late banlist. Everyone will have same prep time once a banlist drops.
      That said, nobody is going to be happy regardless of what they hit. They could literally kill Snake Eye, Yubel and Tenpai to the ground, and then people would get mad they spend $$$$ on their decks and now they are unplayable 🤣🤣.

    • @justinkassel4281
      @justinkassel4281 2 месяца назад +3

      @CHA0SBLEEDS let snake eyes die and yubel for all I care at least tenapai ends the game quickly and doesn't take 20 minutes to fucking combo plus if you out the field spell the deck folds to so much then tenapai is fine and definitely doesn't need hits even through I fully expect the field spell to go to one which will make it harder to otk granted they could hit pot too but they hit a card for a lot of rouge decks and that will definitely piss those players off who knows what there hit but all I know is I want snake eyes nuked to be as unplayable as zoo was back in the day

    • @CHA0SBLEEDS
      @CHA0SBLEEDS 2 месяца назад +2

      @@justinkassel4281 Me personally I'm a collector so the more cards hit the ban list the better it is for me 🤣🤣.

    • @elsten24
      @elsten24 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@justinkassel4281I agree. Snake Eyes and Yubel need to seriously go. Sangan Summoning to 1 is the only real way to hit the deck. Most Tenpai decks are over 50 percent hand traps. Hitting anything else is pointless when the field spell searches everything.

  • @cv_justice4774
    @cv_justice4774 2 месяца назад +48

    before even watching the video - they could communicate AT ALL in the first place

    • @nightwish7074
      @nightwish7074 2 месяца назад +6

      Maybe they'd be more inclined to do so if we didn't spam vomiting horses in their Tweets

    • @justinkassel4281
      @justinkassel4281 2 месяца назад +5

      Maybe they should had released tje banlist not literally at the end of August mid August my ass​@nightwish7074

    • @Corey91666
      @Corey91666 2 месяца назад +2

      They said late August. Also does 1 or 2 weeks really matter? Eh wait... No!
      By September we know whats up.

    • @valentinmihailov2329
      @valentinmihailov2329 2 месяца назад +3

      ​@@nightwish7074maybe they'd be more inclined to improve everything if the next few big events average 20 people instead of 1000+

    • @cv_justice4774
      @cv_justice4774 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Corey91666 judging by the tons of request and dozens of posts on social media i would say at least some people would disagree

  • @TheRealJohnux
    @TheRealJohnux 2 месяца назад +15

    Well maybe start communication in the first place. They need to be clowned on and starved for money before that happens.

  • @apsamplifier
    @apsamplifier 2 месяца назад +11

    At this point any communication at all would be more than welcome.

  • @lifequality
    @lifequality 2 месяца назад +10

    Konami is a prideless rude piece of company trash at this point.
    The banlist could improve with a set date? Yes, i agree. But I also think you miss the point in your video Hakuna.
    The Yugioh banlist is more a marketing tool than a balancing tool. And that is THE MAIN POINT that needs to change. They need starting a proper balancing team. They need start using the banlist as a tool for the players backed up by the feedback from the playerbase.
    Right now they use it to push new products. Especially the summer banlist, which always starts off an “invisible rotation” together with the megatins. And the way they do this is highly problematic.
    So if we have this discussion, we need to question the whole banlist in the first place.
    Just look at other TCGs. They keep banlists clean and small. You mentioned WOTC and the MTG banlist. What I love there is that the Magic banlist is always about adressing the issues in the format.
    And they even go out of their way and explain their hits. Konami is just a ruthless in comparison.

    • @Raphael4722
      @Raphael4722 2 месяца назад +4

      The MTG comparison is not fair, because they have explicit set rotation. So they are guaranteed to sell product regardless of the banlist.

    • @Gokuvsnaruto22
      @Gokuvsnaruto22 2 месяца назад

      How about you quit Yugioh for good and go to Magic? If it sucks this bad.

  • @Tyler-Wiley
    @Tyler-Wiley 2 месяца назад +2

    I remember when this community used to have some balls and would call Konami's headquarters asking for the ban list. What happened to that unity?

  • @phenomgaming3245
    @phenomgaming3245 2 месяца назад +5

    Yugioh has a life of its own with an anime that has the best lore of any card game. Konami is a mediocre company run by mediocre people in charge of something much greater than they can handle, polluting it with greed and carelessness while the playerbase holds on for dear life out of nostolgia while this company sucks the value out of its brand and their loyal customers

    • @thekittenfreakify
      @thekittenfreakify 2 месяца назад +1

      I doubt you'd be any better.

    • @phenomgaming3245
      @phenomgaming3245 2 месяца назад +1

      @@thekittenfreakify i dont compare myself with a multi-million dollar corporation, so thats a stupid comment.
      You dont know me which makes your comment is silly instantly but if i worked for that company and was in charge, I’d make sure I do basic things like communication with customers atleast

    • @Gokuvsnaruto22
      @Gokuvsnaruto22 2 месяца назад

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@phenomgaming3245 You would be no better if you were in charge.

    • @phenomgaming3245
      @phenomgaming3245 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Gokuvsnaruto22 not sure how you would know that since you dont know me, its a judgmental silly opinion. That completely ignores everything that i actually said

    • @phenomgaming3245
      @phenomgaming3245 2 месяца назад +1

      @@Gokuvsnaruto22 for all the people who are saying “u specifically can’t do it better” to a random on the internet, maybe you would agree that there are people out there who could easily do a better job function than the people who are in place at konami right now. If you think people at konami is doing a job so good that no one else can do better, it probably means you are bias to the point of defending konami irrationally

  • @SilverEternal22
    @SilverEternal22 2 месяца назад +7

    8:30 the OCG actually does do this for new banlists with video segments so the TCG obviously can, they just choose not to

    • @nharviala
      @nharviala 2 месяца назад

      The rarity upgrades proves just how little Konami actually cares for non-OCG. For the price of a single Engraver in the TCG, you can buy a complete playset of the latest set to release.

  • @shiredude87
    @shiredude87 2 месяца назад +1

    not releasing the banlist over a weekend would be a solid start; more effective and regular communication; not misleading the player base with badly timed or poorly worded communications to farm social media engagement; better event scheduling for areas outside the US; banlists every 3 months instead of 4 would keep formats fresh and engaging and reduce peoples desire to moan about this exact issue

  • @Dethroner0
    @Dethroner0 2 месяца назад +5

    I would rather they say nothing than be super ambiguous. It lives a shit taste in your mouth when they say "Late August" and the fucking mean last day of August, like yes they are being truthful, but it's straight up disingenuous to all those who care about their game and want to participate in events. I had plans to go to Indy regionals, everyone dropped when there wasn't a banlist, I planned to go to Chicago regionals, no banlist everyone dropped again. It's shit when you have to wait another fucking 6 months to play a not shit format at a competitive event with your friends because Konami can't put together a banlist together in a reasonable time.

  • @davidmcintosh2054
    @davidmcintosh2054 2 месяца назад +8

    Hahaha I see you smiling talking about the spam posts. The horse vomit was definitely insanity 😂

  • @BGLoscar
    @BGLoscar 2 месяца назад +1

    Just a little correction. This issue is specifically with the Konami TCG management ONLY. OCG, Master Duel and Duel Links are good at these.
    Out of the 4, the Speed Duel management has the BEST team when it comes to balancing the game. Banlist usually happens right after a big PVP event like KC Cup or Worlds. Emergency banlist happens when the team recognizes an imbalance. Cards that will be banned/freed are announced 2-3 weeks before the list takes effect, so players can prepare.. New powerful cards and cards that are related to them are PRE-HIT to avoid overpowering the rest of the meta..

  • @ab0xxy
    @ab0xxy 2 месяца назад +3

    Does Konami not have a community manager? A LOT of issues could be resolved with a small dedicated team..

  • @Kalyzery
    @Kalyzery 2 месяца назад +9

    Konami were the first to troll the Community, thousands of people spamming f5 on their social media for weeks at this point trying to find out if they can take part in the next format or if they suddenly have way more time on their hands for the next few months. Only to be greeted with a trash tier reprint announcement. A few Secret Rare examples include: Chaos Angel, Raigeki and Limiter removal alt art, ty-phon, Bonfire, Crimson Dragon.
    I don't see a scenario where people don't get agitated and start trolling themselves.

  • @No__Vanity
    @No__Vanity 2 месяца назад +3

    they donr need suggestions. they dont do any of those for a reason, its a huge company, not an elementary school child :)

  • @relatosdeladimensiondifere9841
    @relatosdeladimensiondifere9841 2 месяца назад +5

    So many Horses man

  • @Ragnarok540
    @Ragnarok540 2 месяца назад

    Just remember that the banlist is 100% a marketing tool, a way to sell more cards. If it happens that it balances the game, that is just a plus.

  • @hunGRYninJAZ
    @hunGRYninJAZ 2 месяца назад +1

    We don't need a set date. We need them to give an announcement when they decided to do a list. That's all

  • @MysticVee
    @MysticVee 2 месяца назад

    So we gotta remember the way Konami does their forbidden lists. They (TCG-side) send out their prospective lists to Japan, then Japan delegates and sends back the Oks and the Nos, and then TCG-side Delegates amongst US and UK for what to attempt to keep, and what to not change. They send it back, and over the course of x months, they finalize a list, then slate it for release. The issue is, most of the lists keep getting down to the wire where Japan wants one thing, the analytics over in TCG-side say another thing due to data gathered from events, but stubbornness always wins out. This is actually why most lists stopped having set limits, due to the fact that neither side could agree on changes and hits with anticipation of future sets, as well as game health and stagnation avoidance.
    TCGside needs freedom to decide their own ban lists completely, but that most likely won't happen. We have to also note that most players in the community will immediately turn over and show their belly whenever a new list drops and then just adjust to playing in that format. Well, PREVIOUSLY they would do that. This current situation feels like a whole other situation. i worry for the health of the current game.

    • @zaksharman
      @zaksharman 2 месяца назад +2

      Have you got any evidence other than just your words? Haven't seen this explanation before.

    • @Ragnarok540
      @Ragnarok540 2 месяца назад +3

      Yeah, what is your source for that?

    • @Leo98pm
      @Leo98pm 2 месяца назад +1

      I have literally never heard of this. How do you know this?

  • @avatarmufasa3628
    @avatarmufasa3628 2 месяца назад +2

    People say that giving no date is to give flexibility, but like, i cant recall a time this actually mattered in recent yugioh (i honestly think this is just wishful thinking). And like, if we have to go back to 2015 for an actual emergency list, then that kinda demonstrates that its unescessary, cause its a 1 off fluke.
    You could also just say, expected next list "post X date here", then tell players that this is subject to change with out of control elements of the game like before (ie what we have now). But this wont happen
    At this stage we just compliment konami when they communicate at all. But realistically id ask for them to just not be super ambiguous, and also nothing at all. The infomation should give us a good idea, rather than hoping literally day after to day, and getting it wrong each time.

    • @rorschach4502
      @rorschach4502 2 месяца назад

      It would be really easy to just say "next banlist update no later than ___"

    • @justinkassel4281
      @justinkassel4281 2 месяца назад

      I swear if this list is shit we will make them have a reason to emergency ban list start cooking all the bs shit yall can

  • @koulee4080
    @koulee4080 2 месяца назад

    Not just communicating, but just have a little more care about their game. If they truly want to raise yugioh to e-sports status, and expand the game, they need more attention to their game. Maybe more recent ban lists like how Esports games get patches. They can’t have tier 0 formats for over 2 years starting with Tearlaments and then Snake Eyes and SE have been running rampant for 10 months. That just shows lack of care for the game.
    We all enjoy this game. But not all of us enjoy what the game has become.

  • @rorschach4502
    @rorschach4502 2 месяца назад +5

    The flexibility thing is such a poor excuse.... they could always say "banlist update will be no LATER than" so it is subject to emergency change if need be...the no sooner thing is just stupid

  • @thefinalskarm1754
    @thefinalskarm1754 2 месяца назад

    For those of oceania, these commonly drop at 3-5 am pending timezone/daylight savings, it is absolutely fucked.
    furthermore our list will not be august being revealed, as it should be on our Sunday morning making it September.
    "late august" is not the end of august.
    It is not at all surprising that not providing the basic information especially considering they've had months in advance of "August" that they've been bombarded with the horse.
    It's nowhere near as unified as the "BAN FIREWALL DRAGON" of the ancient days, but they really need to get their shit together.

  • @phenomgaming3245
    @phenomgaming3245 2 месяца назад

    Konami is more interested in extracting money from its yugioh brand and exploiting its loyal customers than they are in creating an environment that benefits the players. All the problems stem from that attitude and half the customers themselves support being exploited in such a way, which feeds into the issues.

  • @jazzalenko92
    @jazzalenko92 2 месяца назад +6

    Okay so there's a few things I think we can look at in particular:
    1) Banlist dates - I don't think this is entirely necessary. Would it be good to have? Of course, but I feel it can result in incorrect/not impactful hits to cards. Obviously one way around this would be, for example, we feel as if we have a healthy format, so Konami announces rather than hit anything, they'll postpone the list for X amount of time. Vice versa if we're in a degenerate format, Konami announces they'll release a list sooner than expected. It's not much but would definitely help.
    2) Communication - this is a massive one. I'm not talking just giving a list, but explaining their thoughts on the list. This is a big thing I've enjoyed from the One Piece TCG while playing, and I think Konami would be silly to not take the same approach. Banlists don't have to massive slaughter lists everytime, but hearing why they thought X card should be banned/limited/unlimited would be a huge step in the right direction.
    3) Event Coverage/Schedule - This one is a little biased, as someone who lives in a smaller TCG region (Oceanic). We have such poor scheduling for our events, that some are literally announced days before they happen. Hell, we had a regional in the middle of a shopping centre, out the front of a supermarket a few years ago. Just giving us a better Schedule of events, and when there happening well in advance would be nice. Event coverage should be drastically adjusted. The EU WCQ stream should be a benchmark for Konami. The stream, set up, player interviews, and between round content should be what all streams are set up to be.
    4) Feedback - currently, the only real avenue to contact Konami is through EU or NA organised play. And even when you do communicate with them, your given extremely vague answers, or told that's not a question you should ask. It's extremely frustrating to essentially feel like your questions are being answered by a bot. Konami could do something as simple as having community managers for each TCG region. Again, it's not something big, and would go along way to helping bridge communication, but also TCG regions.
    5) Content Creators - this is something that's been abundantly clear this week. Content Creators need to use there platform to hold Konami accountable. It's extremely frustrating to see guys like Farfa and Josh Schmidt essentially farm viewers, encourage spam memes (Farfa has been really guilty of this), and rile the community up to boiling point. Only to then turn around and say "this behaviour is unacceptable, they gave us a date, be happy". It's simply not good enough. Content Creators can certainly hold Konami accountable without encouraging spam meme-ing, or making explicit comments and content. They can certainly intelligently call out Konami when they've done something wrong.
    Can the community as a whole be better? Absolutely, and I'm sure most of us will be. But saying we're a bunch of degenerates for trolling when they know Konami has essentially been doing it to us, and quite a lot this year, isn't the way to go about it.
    That's a lot words, if you've red it, much appreciated ❤️
    Please keep up the content, I really enjoy how you create, but also particularly how you engage with the community 🤓❤️

    • @zaksharman
      @zaksharman 2 месяца назад

      About the Content Creators part, Dkayed was calling out Konami and leaking their new cards in MD so got blackballed by Konami and no other Yugitubers ever interact with him

    • @jazzalenko92
      @jazzalenko92 2 месяца назад +2

      @zaksharman lol Dkayed got banned for leaking unreleased products. He didn't get blackballed for calling Konami out.
      No one interacts with him because he's a banned player

    • @zaksharman
      @zaksharman 2 месяца назад +1

      @@jazzalenko92 How is he still more of a successful Yugituber than either Josh or Farfa then?

    • @jazzalenko92
      @jazzalenko92 2 месяца назад +1

      @zaksharman I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to get from this conversation.
      Both Farfa and Josh cover the TCG, which Dkayed does not.
      Dkayed is banned for leaking products. Both Farfa and Josh are not.
      I don't think there's really anything else to cover in that respect 🤓👍

    • @Gokuvsnaruto22
      @Gokuvsnaruto22 2 месяца назад

      Content creators should agree with you that the game is as bad as you think it is if they’re at a certain level? Holding Konami accountable to them is obviously different than your idea of holding them accountable, i’m sure they would tell you that.

  • @CHA0SBLEEDS
    @CHA0SBLEEDS 2 месяца назад

    I'd personally like to hear their reasonings for why certain cards are on the ban list and other cards are removed. I don't really care about dates. The last few TCG ban lists have been Feb/March and August/Sept. TCG generally only has 2 banlists a year or every 6 months.
    A live stream where they talk about the ban list would be cool too.

  • @mikehawk8984
    @mikehawk8984 2 месяца назад

    I just think that it's fuckin crazy that Konomi can just
    1, not communicate effectively about when the banlist will happen. It doesn't have to be set in stone 6 months or whatever if it's a healthy format, but its insane that they just leave us with a dogwater format for so long and then drop the list seemingly on a whim with no explanation.
    And 2, not explain the reasonings for hits to cards at all. I don't really care about the business side of things, I'm a player. I want to know the reasoning as to why they think certain cards are fine or not fine, and if they want to not hit cards for business reasons they should stop printing cards that are drastically overtuned to get people to buy into them when they know they'll have to hit it later. If you make cool archetypes and good support for older archetypes people will buy the cards and play them, but making overpowered money generators will just cause people to leave the game eventually

  • @BanditGaming479
    @BanditGaming479 2 месяца назад +2

    I understand it sucks but Konami has reasons they don’t give dates or explanations. They can’t give dates because they don’t want to release a banlist when it is either not needed or be unable to release a banlist when it is very badly needed. A general time frame allows more flexibility. They can’t give explanations because it could limit future card design. If they say a card is banned because it does “x” then it doesn’t make sense to print a card again that does something similar to “x”. Philosophy on card design could change in the future and maybe something that used to not be okay in the game is now okay. It’s all about having flexibility for the company as opposed to flexibility for the players. There is definitely a balance for these things and it is an on going struggle to find it.

    • @matthewanderson7852
      @matthewanderson7852 2 месяца назад +4

      You see though, they can just give a specific date, and if something is truly needed they can release an emergency banlist (like the have done before) and if they wanted to not hit anything on a list they can just say "no changes, we want to see how this format develops." That would give the set dates and communication the community wants without having to pull the shit Konami pulls.

    • @rorschach4502
      @rorschach4502 2 месяца назад +4

      "the next banlist update will be no later than ____" HOW HARD IS THAT?!

    • @Always.Smarter
      @Always.Smarter 2 месяца назад

      wrong. they are equally as flexible if they give a date because they are still ultimately in control of what does or doesn't happen on that date.

  • @rafflesiaandfriends
    @rafflesiaandfriends 2 месяца назад +3

    I'd like monthly ban lists like master duel, just because then we aren't waiting forever in a boring format for a list that could disappoint, I don't even care if they are small ban lists as long as they end up doing their job in the long run, having a dominant deck remain untouched for months on end isn't good for the health of the game even the ocg has ban lists more frequent than us

    • @looneyloonatic
      @looneyloonatic 2 месяца назад +6

      Monthly banlist would not work for tcg. The casual player does not want to redo their decks constantly.
      3 months works fine.

    • @rafflesiaandfriends
      @rafflesiaandfriends 2 месяца назад

      ​​@@looneyloonatic they don't seem to complain in master duel and that's full of casual players, well they do on the day of the ban list but they get over it pretty fast, so I don't think it's much of a issue on their end anyway they like when the meta decks get hit so that their rogue deck has a slightly better time against it. I personally think konami finds doing ban lists a waste of time and are only really keen on them when the current format is hurting their sales.

    • @GutsmanLoL
      @GutsmanLoL 2 месяца назад

      The amount of soy, chicken nuggie eating, pudgy body having, entitled comments I’ve seen just like this are absolutely hilarious 😂😂😂 “mommy I would like my milky and nuggies with the banlist every week on the dot just for me, and don’t forget my favorite sawss 😋😊”. Goobers. Every single one of you😂

    • @justinkassel4281
      @justinkassel4281 2 месяца назад

      Yeah exactly especially when they fucking killed I unchained unjustified that shit was bullshit snake eye still would had sold and it didn't even have a chance to fucking compete with them and snake eyes has been around longer I don't give a shit if they have lore nuke fucking snake eyes give there ass the zoo treatment if it has snake eyes in the name ban it

    • @Leo98pm
      @Leo98pm 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@rafflesiaandfriends because master duel is f2p... Building a deck there without spending a single cent is piss easy

  • @KurayamiGGEZ
    @KurayamiGGEZ 2 месяца назад

    "Comments made that are unacceptable". Dude, Konami has had the hate comments coming for a long time. Stop being too nice about obvious bs.

  • @NokodaHere
    @NokodaHere 2 месяца назад

    Konami just wanted to axe the only transparency they had.

  • @justinkassel4281
    @justinkassel4281 2 месяца назад +1

    Giving us exact dates for the list

  • @Sp0okeh
    @Sp0okeh 2 месяца назад

    seeing konami's attitude, the new list isnt gonna do anything. no point getting mad at konami, just sighs.

  • @thekittenfreakify
    @thekittenfreakify 2 месяца назад

    I am curious. has anyone tried to call konami's customer service line?

  • @I3raveryy
    @I3raveryy 2 месяца назад

    Love your videos and the informational part. But for a start, THEY COULD COMMUNICATE AT ALL. Like konami will do anything but communicate with the community. Its so frustrating and is pushing people away

  • @vollied4865
    @vollied4865 Месяц назад

    I mean they could i dunno turn on comments 😂

  • @whales312
    @whales312 2 месяца назад

    One thing that kind of irks me is that our fan base can never be happy. It just seems like the player base can ever be happy

  • @ippoverse
    @ippoverse 2 месяца назад +2

    Konami should ban all hand traps and leave floodgates alone

    • @elsten24
      @elsten24 2 месяца назад

      @@ippoverse To be honest, hitting hand traps is the only REAL way to balance the entire game. There is a reason why the TCG has a fascination with Maxx C. Handtraps give decks solutions to problems that there deck isn't designed to deal with. In theory, this has created balance. However we have reached a point where we have so many good hand traps that the optimal strategy is a deck with at most 15-18 engine cards and the rest handtraps. If Konami did a better job limiting the tier 0 and 1 decks, they could focus on limiting how much interaction hand traps allow.
      Cards like Ash Blossom need to go to 1. It gets too much use on average and in a format with no Maxx C, it's used only to stop starting plays.
      Ash has only recently been cut from decks because of a tier 0 Snake Eyes interaction.

  • @ovx23
    @ovx23 2 месяца назад +2

    This is a pointless video I didn't even watch it since they'll enver change their way

    • @zaksharman
      @zaksharman 2 месяца назад

      Then why click on this video and better yet why leave a comment? You people never fail to make me laugh with your stupidity

    • @justinkassel4281
      @justinkassel4281 2 месяца назад

      Is Konami there runned my complete idiots I swear that only can about the money a monkey could run Konami better I bet

  • @YGO-Shant
    @YGO-Shant 2 месяца назад

    1st