How to Perfectly Mix your Kick and Basseline (Ableton /Techno & Tech House )
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- In this video I propose you some tips to perfectly mix your kick with your basseline :
1-Choose the perfect kick
2-Check the key of your kick
3-Make/Pick the perfect basseline according your kick
4-Check/Make that your basseline is in key with your kick and fit together perfectly
5-Sidechain Compression on your basseline
6-Equing
7-Level properly your kick/bass
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Update : your track doesn't have to be in the scale of the key of your kick. But it's usually better if the key of your kick is part of the scale of your track, altough this is not always 100% true...Trust your ears first, if there is no problem, no problem need to be solved !
I think it's good for the kick to be the root, 3rd, 5th or maybe the 6th degree of the track's scale. I makes sense that the kick being in tune, there stuff will fit better.
As soon as I heard the accent I knew it'd be good
Haha that's a nice one !
That's funny because I thought exactly the same thing. Straight away when I heard the accent I was like, "well, I've come to the right video":)
I only understand the half because it's too much mumble for me as a german😅
positive xenophobia. Cancel culture is coming for you, mate.
don tyu do dis no no
Hands down one of the best techno tutorial channels on RUclips period. This man helped me up my game so much!!!!!! All you Need is Live..... I appreciate what you do man! Sample packs are amazing FYI 🙌🏼
Wow, thanks! Glad that I coulp help mate !
'you cant polish a poo' LOL you had me in tears haha god bless you man
haha, yeah I didn't remember it properly but the expression is actually "you can't polish a turd"... Thanks for your comment anyway !
@@audioreakt Polish a poo is good take on it and funnier too, you should use it more :)
Same! Lol! Awesome vid as always!
Again, perfect tutorial, definitely showing us right and easy way to do it! 🥂
@@Hubryhq thanks a lot!
Such a good tip on using the clap or the transient of the kick for the sidechain. Great stuff.
I always have a 909 clap trigering my sidechain compression.
The way you approach things make it very clear you are a truly skilled producer (saying this while I am in music production over 15 years...). Keep it up! Great advice. :)
Thanks mate, I appreciate that!
I never thought about long trigger signal. Now i know. Thanks)
Haha, you're welcome !
Yeah big tip imo
I really appreciate your tutorials but lets not overlook the fact that your tunes are sweet as hell. I'm glad I found your channel. Thanks for your help man
Thanks for your kind words, always happy to help !
@@audioreakt I just think that once someone drops a ton of cash on suite, it will often be the case that we can't afford stuff like Serum etc haha. I've only been using it 6 weeks and all I can say is that I wish i did it sooner!
Sooooo much to learn and yet so fun! Your idea to just use stock plugins is top notch!
I am not sure to understand the thing with suite and wavetable. Live suite is really good, this plus a push 2 and you don't need to buy anything else lol.
Thanks, the main reason is too show people that they don't need expensive gear or plugin to make good music.
you convinced me to like and subscribe this channel just because of the intro .
Haha, thanks man, I hope you will like the content as much as the intro !
Excellent tutorial cant wait to put in to practice.
Have fun!
Ahaha love the moment "you cannot transform shit it gold"
[TRUE STORY].. haha
Pitching up the sample when analyzing with spectrum, was a massive tip for me. Thank you so much!
Great videos, love them all. Looking forward on your future videos!
Thank mate, yeah I use this with all my drum/perc sound almost, to make sure everything is in key.
@@audioreakt yeah. What about hats and rides? I myself havent used spectrum on those, since the frquency is so messy on those.
Yeah its true, usually I use spectrum to check but sometime its very messy like you said so I just do what I find the best...
this is amazing and very helpful! thank you!
Thank you for all your staff!!!!So useful and informative
My pleasure, glad you liked it !
Great video. Thanks
Thank for you comment ! I am really happy to see you you liked it.
"you cannot polish a poo" - that is correct sir, you got that right
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THIS IS GREAT ! THANKS A LOT
I've come back to this video a multitude of times and the "you can't polish a poo" gets me every time 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Nice one bro I like that trick with Spectrum to find the note of the sample
Thanks , yeah and it work with any sample !
Thank you !!! Good tutorial !!!!
Thanks my friend !
I usually use NR Kickstart for sidechain. Sometimes LFO Tool, it depends. Great tutorial! :)
never used butb yeah heard goos things about, they are many way to sidechaiun tbh
Thank you for your tip(s), very usefull :)
Glad it was helpful! Cheers!
Rewatching this again. ( love how much I learn each time ..because I understand more each time I watch after practicing and coming back ) and chance we can see a tutorial on how to stop ear fatigue ? I seem to always create the dopest sounding stuff right away. Next I get lost in loop land. I have amazing sounding loops that fall apart in song construction ( making the loop into a whole song.. with automation and build ups etc) the problem isn’t knowing how to make the first 2 sets of 32s as the intro .. the next two sets of 32s as the bassline / drop followed by the next 2 sets of 32s as the breakdown and so on..until the final set of 2 32s as the mixout ( all this varies of course basically ) the problem I have is I get what I would call war fatigue and with all the mixing I try to as I write the track (tweaking eqs , compression etc etc ) that amazing look I thought was beatports next top# 1 hit ( see you next week Ibiza ) turns into something that sounds terrible ( even if it’s not / still basically the same as I started ) and I hate it then I take off headphones and do something else .. I heard mixing with a lower volume helps .. but idk. Maybe I just need to save the file and go eat a sandwich or something . Any info on this Would help . I found a guy named mike Monday who had a RUclips channel with lots of info on this . Grateful to you both . I thought maybe you could add a little info to this . Thanks again.
Hi, ear fatigue the best thing is to dont listen too loud and make 15min pause every 2h. Just listen loud when you have key decision to make, like kick/bass relation/mix. Other than that I always listen to a "normal level" when I am creating. In mixing and mastering stage is different. The thing you are talking about I think its you get tired of your loop/ sound because you spend a lot of time to listen to the same loop adding variation etc... And what at the beggining was sounding fresh/good to you, sound after few hour working on it like shit. Its just because you've listen so many times this loop that your brain get tired of it and then sounds boring. Its like when you have a new favourite song that you listen to it everyday for a month and then you just get tired of the song and dont listen to it anymore.. But I tend to beleive that if you get tired of your idea quickly that probably means your ideas was actually not that good. That happen to everybody, I've got couple of track finnished but unreleased because when I listen back after two week they just sound shit, that means the original idea was just not good. Or how many times your finish a track thinking its amazing, got to sleep, and the day after just sound crap. Its just really hard to create great tunes, when you see a artist relaesing lets say 10 song a years, he probably has created 50 songs in a years but 40 of the 50 was just crap or not good enough.
Oh man, same here
I find the same.. I get completely focused on the mixing before just laying out an arrangement and ‘idea’ for the track. Some massive Beatport no.1’s in the past have been mixed terribly but the ideas were amazing (no names!). I’ve now learnt to come up with catchy ideas and have fun, then get an arrangement done, and then start mixing.. Good luck 😉
Oh btw, Tuff London do a course on Fader Pro Online about how to get your Original idea/ Loop into a finished track quickly.. That would help you a lot (it helped me!)
I am gonna check that. Even though I don't really have problem anymore to finish something, most of the time if I cant finish something it's probably because my first idea was crap, and that a very difficult truth to admit sometime but it's like that.
fantastic tips thanks
Thanks mate, always happy to help.
Very good tutorial, thank you!
Thnaks mate, I am glad you liked it !
Thank you ;)
thank u
You're welcome!
I find that F# is the best key. I keyed some kick samples and I use a lot of f# and g.
So true about kick and bass. People sidechajn all the stime, but I think sometimes if the mix is good, no need to use high ratio or low threshold.
kick around 50Hz is usually good.
love your content
Thanks you very much !
thank you, good stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks
this channel: "you can't transform shit into gold"
drumcode:
Haha nice one !
Thanks for sharing
My pleasure
Hi, it doesnt need to be in key. The most important rule is "perfect intervals". So all fourths (5 semitones up or 7 semitones down) or fifths (7 semitones up or 5 semitones down). And this is widely used by producers - more often than to have it in the same key.
"if it's shit, it's gonna be shit after" wise words
haha shit in shit out, can't polish a turd ...
9.13 when you said click i thought georgio by moroder (daft punk) was going to start
haha nice one !
Nice tutorial, please do a 2023 update
probably later this year yes !
omg i just explored you and i am really shock now!
Love
Thanks for your comment man !
@@audioreakt i thank you .
I just downloaded your modern techno pack which is free but I cant use most of them in Ableton, especially presets. Ableton said this files probably broken. Do you have an idea for solution ? because I am thinking to buy other packs in next times if i can fix this
@@kvanc65 You mean the Deep Techno template right ? You need to have Ableton Live 10.1 to make it works, if you have 10.0.5 or 10.0.6 it won't work.
@@audioreakt yes Deep Techno template and I have 10.1
@@kvanc65 ok that's wierd, send me a screenshot of your error message and your live version and I will see what can I do. Send it here : audioreakt (a) gmail.com
Which Note the Bassline is playing ? It is higher then F#0 ? Maybe F#1, that the Subbass of the Kick don't fight with the bassline and it fits better ? Or is there a Low Cut on the Bassline ?
I think if you have the kick at F and the baseline working inside the same scale they will work well together too, don’t you think?!
yes true, altough I would always recommend to trust your hear and do whats sound the best to you
Envelope follower for the win
also works well indeed !
I actually prefer to use a dynamic eq and sidechain it to the kick in order to reduce the frequencies used by the kick JUST when the kick hits. This preserve the sound of the bassline when the kick is not playing.
yeah that's a great method too !
Which dynamic eq you can recommend?
@@SlavaChrome fabfilter q2 (or q3) or on a budget you can actually do it within ableton, there is a video somewhere on the tube which explain you how to do it but is pretty tricky compared to the q2
@@andreavailati8292 oh, ok, I will check it. Thx :))
If its shit, its gonna be shit after ! :D Perfect, love it
Exact, Mixing is where you polish your song, not fix it !
How come other tutorials are telling me that if the kick and bass are in the same key, their frequencies clash?
Yes and ? Are they saying that kick and basseline should be in a different key/scale ? In general having the key of your kick in the same scale than your basseline work better ( harmonically ). Obviously if your kick is in F0 and the basseline note playing in the same time than the kick is F0 they both play at the same frequency in the same time and they will "clash"(but nothing "wrong" with that if you are careful), First usually you have a sidechain on your bass which will duck the basseline note a bit, and second if your choose the right sound they should match together well and complement each other. It's not because they "clash" that you can't do it or change/play a different note...Drop me link of the tutorials you refer too please.
hey mate,,love your video,,,,i have been watching videos with Deadmau5 and he sad it non sense to tune your kicks...any thoughts on that? thank you for videos
It's true for short kick, because you don't rely have "note", but if you kick have a long tail it might be better to check if tuning help. Anyway there is no exact rule, try and see what sounds the best for you
That bassline is beautiful. How did you make it? Using hardware, a VST or Ableton standard tools?
Thank, I don't remember how i created exactly, its looks like the attack is around 100ms for both amp and filter (LPF), then mix with delay and reverb, after check wich waveform is sounding better, and adjust delay and reverb setting, but the main key is the attack around 100ms to get this kind of aspirated effect
@@audioreakt thank's god x)
Great tutorial, thank you! Really informative and well presented :)
Thank you very much !
You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter lol You are a cool dude man ;)
Haha thank mate !
4:22 i love you
Haha I am just being honest
love it thank you!!! very well explained . ive seen many videos like this and they always confused me.. is there a way you can make a video explaining how to write basslines.. the midi , step sequence notes etc.. is there a specific way? i can show you better than i can ask etc.. thanks..(also whats a good way to know the proper mixing levels.. how to make a good wall of sound with the eq (kick is loudest on channel volume, then bassline? then snare? etc or does it all depend on what i want?) i think the eq on the master channel has to eventually have a good crescendo ( is that the word?) basically not too much sub bass and highs and nothing in the middle of the eq? that would be so helpful any of those.. thanks again for your time, efforts, knowledge and experience.. love your videos so much.. youre awesome
Yeah its a good idea to make a video about basseline. About mixing I usually mixe in the same time that I am adding stuff, everytime I add a new element i make sure everything is already perfectly leveled, like if i add a new synth sound i make sure before to add another stuff that this synth sound fit operfectly in the mix. Hard to explain, i will do a video as well, someone ask me as well before. yeah eq on master mean mastering stage for me, its another things, but honestly, i am not good enough at mastering to give advice..But remember that mastering will not save your mix, as mixing will not save your production lacks/mistake/bad choices.
All You Need Is Live understood and thank you for lengthily and informative response. Look forward to that bass line video I feel it something that holds me up. I overthink too much and maybe you can give us some common ways to write in a baseline ( where to place each note on a 1/16 grid or whatever ) and also ways to just experiment with random baseline ( now that I realize how to make sure it’s in key ) and love knowing that it supposed to sound glued. I’ve experienced that at times but I can tell I’ve been doing it wrong 99% of my learning career over the last 16 years. Seems to be my biggest hold up. That and getting out of “loop land” . Making a good reference track template or explaining the best way to do this if love to know more about . I prob know all I need to know and just need to practice more. Oh sorry another idea. I’d looooove to know how you create those extra busses that are like drums go into groups then into a pre master- pre fx dry - then into pre master wet and then into master. (Oh and good settings for drum buss plugin ) I feel I experiment with it is much and sorta get ear fatigued overthinking it. Sorry I have so many ideas. Very grateful to you man. You’re my hero as well as my mentor if that’s ok to say
loops are not bad as far you use the right one, I like to use them if I am block and don't know where to go with my track, loops can unblock you and give you idea. yeah practice is key, you will not learn mixing by watching video but by practicing, tha tcan give you direction and way to do it but you have to practive to make it better. I don't really do mix buses, all the stuff with bus for me its more for recorded nstrument like a battery or guitars, to give glue. but thats a personal opinion.
I love the video as always but i don't understand the part around 2 minutes where you mention +48 pitch up/ transpose.. Are you saying this is a trick to help someone if they don't have a spectrum analyzer? sorry i am confused.. ALSO what are your thoughts on just making kicks with plugins like KICK, KICK 2 or bassism....also can you make the bass with those same plugins on a separate track this way you know 100% what the key is? THANKS for any info
Yes basically the +48 transpose is another way tio find out the tonality of your kick, it's useful when on the spectrum the kick fundamental shape is wide and then its hard to find out the exact tonality (sometime covering 3 notes on spectrum). By pitching up in octaves, the sound gonna by higher and the shape on the fundamental will be narrow, then it will be easier to find the exact tonality. Yes they are all very good plugin, I will add the punchbox of D16 to the list as well. I would say yes, but I always double check with a sppectrum anyway. Some people can even check this just by ears, but unfortunately I can't lol
Still struggling with how deep the sub base, the base and the kick needs to be.
Hi Paul, maybe you could do update since video has 3yr? For example relation between kick and bass volume, I've seen people putting bass 3db lower than kick or glueing them together to sound solid.Just an Idea.
It could indeed need a refresh 😅
@@audioreakt yes please, we would really appreciate it ! Cheers from Australia
you know.. if it's shit ... its gonna be shit after ... you cant tansform shit into gold - made my day! :D (Y)
Haha, but it,s so true...
@@audioreakt it is! :) love your videos btw!
Thanks man !
Hi, does it right if glue compress the kick/bass in the same group plus group this along with drums along with glue compression ??? Thank you !!
Try and see, it might work for one song but not for another...nothing is right or wrong, sometime it work sometime no
Is there a way to get good kicks? Like from audio reakt?
I made a two part video about how I created my kick. Just check on my channel how to me techno kick.
You can't polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter 😂
that's the expression, someone else mention it too in the comment haha
Thank you for the video! Wwhere do you get your bass samples?
Thanks mate, the sample pack is Raw Techno 2 from Sample Magic. Its a pack I created for them, so keep in mind if you grab it the name might be different (as this are the name before they rename it).
@@audioreakt damn good job awesome man! Im trying to design that bass sound that fits with your kick i cant seem to get it right! Wht synthesizer did you use?
I hear a lot about key matching between kick and base but what if the bassline is composed with random notes,with detuned fm ish sounds?
then it doesn't matter, like ideally its better but it doesn't mean it need to be. trust your ears first. the problem with having your kick and bass not in key is that it can create phase issue , but if everything seems ok to you, then leave as it is. it also depend the legnth of your kick, some kick are very short so you don't really have note in the kick...
Cheers! How do you control the phase relationship between kick and bass with a short side chain like that? Arn't you risking phase cancellation with so much overlap?
I just do by ear, if it's sounds good it's sounds good... Don't really care much about phase issue as if its happen you will hear it straight away
@@audioreakt fair point. Cheers mate 👌
Do you recomment the kick be in the base tone of the key. Like when the song is in Bminor, isnt it the bes to be the kick in B or just any note of the Bminor scale?
depend really they are no "rules" so to speak, but yeah if you can it's the best, but trust your hear this are just guidance to use more like if you feel there is something wrong rather to be applied. Because depend the length of your kick, depend the note of your bassline also... so in a nutshell don't bother too much but if your feel something is off, that might be the problem...
@@audioreakt Thank you for your detailed response. You helped a lot! 🙂
hey man !! this is unbelievably helpful thank you! I got a question: I just started a new track before I was watching this and I had a kick on G0 and I played my bass out of intuition on G1 now after watching this I went back and played my bass on g0 as well but this started to sound shit just as you said now I am a little confused what to do because when I got back on playing my bass on g1 I went through a bit of eq-ing and compression and got a really well sounding glue -> does that mean I did It the wrong way or is playing an octave higher also right ?
Hey, no G0 or G1 doesnt matter as far as its G, if its fitting better in G1 than G0 then stay with G1. I like my basse line to be in the same octave than my kick like this the kick is kind of playing/replacing/supporting the notes of my basseline, but if in your case its work better one octave higher, stick to it ! Listen to your ear not your eyes.
All You Need Is Live you are awesome Thank you !! Do you Think you could make a couple of Videos on Sound Design for dark Bass like Maksim dark that would reaaaally help 🤘🏼
I listen a little bit, its sounding like a moog bass, to get this kind of sound, open wavetables or operator, take a sawtooth and use unison mode with 8 voices 100%, low pass filter 24, and env modulation on the filter with a an atteck aropund 120ms, you can add some noise as well to add brightness when you open the filter, or another swatooth slightly detune to add detune effect .The key here is detune sound with low pass filter 24db. Here is my attempt : www31.zippyshare.com/v/dTWdp92T/file.html
. You can defenitely get closer but its a good start. And I forgot, play in F# minor..not neccessary but it will help
that sound is really good thanks
well I didn't understand what unison mode is haha could you explain that :)
I am not sure of the exact defibnitation but basically with a mono synth, with unison 6 voices for exemple, when you play a G for exemple, its gonna take this note, duplicate 6 times and slightly detune each duplications . This create a effect that make your sound wider and more "massive", its giving as well this nice detune effect.
1:11 kick
nice videos !! How you built this bassline ? Can you maybe make video for this type of basslines?
Thanks mate, check this playlist I show different way of doing it : ruclips.net/p/PLfvRXxrCcCsda3dhsakmYwRicyRgj8K0w
hello , i wanted to know informations about "ableton operator techno bank". Are there the operator's presets for the drum ? (because i want to learn how make some basic sounds like hit-hat, shakers etc...). thank you for your answer (and sorry if it's not the good place to ask this question)
There are 4 drums preset (claps, hats, shaker and snare), but I recomend to check my playlist called "drums tutorial" you will find tutorial about that
@@audioreakt thank you for your answer. I will buy soon your pack
I listen to a lot of your videos and love them! Really awesome work! Just one thing - the intro "All you need is live" is REALLY loud. Not sure if it's just me.
Anyways, keep up the awesome work!
Thanks mate, yeah the vocal is a bit loud, it's been noticed by other and I've changed it afterward. I have now on the latest videos change the intro anyway.
It's sounds good to tune you're bass line to yore kick drum because the tonality of the kick drum stays the same as it is! but doesn't that mean now that all you're track has to be in that key!! I've always seen on RUclips producers pitch/frequency shifting the kick drum to the key that they want a track to be in! even shifting it a forth or fifth above the route note. It's nice but doesn't it in a sense restrict in creating a tune in a scale of my choise??? Im confused can anybody professional straighten this out for me cos I'm no pro!
Yes you're right, since then my opinion changed, your track scale doesn't need to be the key of your kick. I would say the kick have to be in a key that is in your scale (forth or fith like you said). But even this is not always 100% true, you have to trust your hear.
"It's sounding like shit" lol Great video!
You have to be honest with yourself haha !
Jesus christ that bass
Haha thanks !
Is this Giovanni Giorgio ?
you cannot transfer shit in gold.
wiser words have never been said
also top channel ps. much love
haha I love this expression so much !
Thansk for the info friend, what happens to me is that when I transpose 2 octaves the kick moves from G to F#, the first to octaves it's G and the last two is F#, should i consideer it as a G right?
Hey, sorry I am not getting what you trying to say. If you kick is in G and you transpose two semitones down it should be in F.
@@audioreakt No, I was following your method of transposing it to higher Octaves to see what pitch does the tuner/spectrum shows there.
When it isnt transposed it says G, then +12st: G.
+24st: F#
AND +48st: F# again, i think its normal because we are analizing a kick so it armonics should be a bit unstable 😂, so I should consideer the note I detect when the kick isnt transposed right?
In other words I should think that my kick Is naturally in G?
@@Pipun7534 Ah ok I know what you mean, in this case you can try to fine tune to make it move either to G or F#, try this and maybe after you transpose it will tune them all the same note. But as a kick is made from pitch modulation sometime it can be hard to really find the exact one, but if you hesitate between two, just listen with the rest of track which one sound best.
5:30 Hahahahah! Polish a poo! Its a Wigan term and it's 'You can't polish a turd'
Haha yes I checked afterward but was too late ! Are you from Wigan ?
@@audioreakt no but very close to it and I also lived and worked there for a while.
4:00 One of the only way?
Haha that's my French coming over my English and mixed it up everything . I meant one of the very few way
@@audioreakt :)) Thanks for the video!
what library you use in this tutorial ?
Hi, they are from a sample pack that I've created for Sample Magic called "Raw Techno 2"
I want to buy and support you when it comes out.. congrats on the sample pack
the sample pack is out already (since april), but the best support for me is to share my videos in different forum, facebook pages etc... that worth more for me.
Is this Giorgio Moroder?
What do you mean ?
good kick, okay...but what IS a good kick?!
haha that's a good question indeed, but a very bad kick is easily recognisable though hahaha
@@audioreakt it also depends on the genre you're going for. And in general: music is art. Rules are there to be broken.
You can transform Shit to Gold…. That is the true 😅
haha yes, shit in shit out hahaha
Well this is not called mixing, this is just picking up samples and preset ready made. Wtf.
Well, that you point of view. Picking up the right sample and making sure they are both in the key is for me 90% of the "mix" ( in electronic music ). For example if your kick is down two semitone than your basseline, pitching it up your kick by two semitone can make your kick/bass fit better together than any other "mixing" process. So sure the first half of the video is about picking sample and not "mixing" as properly speaking, because the point of the first half is to let people know to don't rely only on mixage to solve "problem", especially when you begin producing music, that you think that mixing and mastering will solve all your problem.
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tutorial on how to make that bass? it has a lot of stereo as well, my basslines end up sounding like the other two
check my channel phomepage, I have bass playlist where you can find some tips for this kind of bass.
Hey, may I ask something? About gluing the kick and bass...You said sometimes your sounds do not fit...but still they are in the same key...what about tuning the bass to the kick? and what about processing 1 st bass(shit) with reverb, etc and making space for it...I believe you can get this sound fitting somehow(1st bass), not just forgetting it and looking for a new sound...Am I mistaking? Greetings!
Yes my point was more like to try to get the bass and kick really fitting each other perfectly before any processing. Even if they are both in key sometime they just don't fit really well. I reckon it can be very frustating, it's happening to me. The point was that we usually say " I am gonna fix it at the mixing stage" but in my opinion it has to be fix before. It's two different approach, sometime you can fix it with tuning reverb etc like you saif, but sometime it just doesn't work this is why I prefer in this case to just choose/create another baseline.
thanks for tutorial. Very useful.
Thanks man !