I was just thinking if they make the max lvl 40 at launch, does that mean the final dlc that comes out will a level cap of 6 with an introduction of 3 skill trees to one dlc? Like the one on borderlands 3 arms race (possibly?) Is 2K possibly going to do the same thing?
Joltz, there are only 15 combos of skill trees, 1 2, 1 3, 1 4, 1 5, 1 6, 2 3, 2 4, 2 5, 2 6, 3 4, 3 5, 3 6, 4 5, 4 6 and 5 6,not 30 like you say in the video
This will be the character for my first playthrough :) "The mostest unkindest cut of all" is a Shakespear quote, discribing the stabbing of Ceasar by Brutus :)
The quote you were confused about is a reference to Shakespear's Julius Caesar. Antony describes Brutus' stab wound as the "most unkindest cut of all" because it was delivered by a friend. "No Lime Tangerine" is either a reference to the novel Noli Me Tángere about the colonization of the Philippines by the Spanish, or else just the literal translation of said phrase "Touch me not".
Ok, I’ve decided. Stabbomancer/graveborn spell melee elemental build. Getting double spell casts which can afflict multiple elemental effects and deal melee damage. The melee damage then doing more elemental effects. I don’t know how it works but it seems like with graveborn and stab you can afflict 4 different elements at once with a spell (because of the dark damage from grave ability and then afflicting another element for each element you afflict), maybe more cause of the companion and then the melee damage from the stab cap stone will maybe proc 4 more elemental effects and the Demi litch may also proc the melee damage from spells, idk, and proc 4 more elements. Possible 16 elemental procs at once, maybe more? Idk, It seems awesome though. The several way to get back health or reduce damage from graveborn. The movement speed and high crit from stabbomancer. Always having kills skills active. I feel like it’d be a pretty nuts build. After that I’ll probably do a pet build.
I like the Status effect,damage synergy of Stabb/ claw...with fire and shock orbs like Amaras Remnant. But Spore and Stab look super strong with all the richocets that can crit which causes a status effect
@@genesis4322 3 also had 4 character at launch and 3 trees and eventually a 4th tree (12 to eventually 16 trees). That was their justification. In this game, you have one tree per class with the ability to get a second tree, but only 6 classes, which is half the number of trees that BL3 had at launch. So in my mind, the possibility of new trees via new characters is obvious with maybe even an option to get a third tree (if the level cap will increase past 40)
My thought is because they already have 6 characters at launch which is the most any other game had, they will give each character one more skill tree as it would add more possibilities than 1 more character would.
If we get DLC classes, which can easily be done in Wonderlands compared to the other Borderlands games, I'd love an Artificer class called the Yarr'tificer, obviously it has a pirate theme.
Duuuude, for sure gonna start and main this class, i love zane’s ability to do more damage while moving and zero’s melee abilities. Stabbomancer will be so fun
I actually really like the single skill tree for each character. It makes it more simple and easier to get the cooler skills towards the bottom. I think it’s also really nice because it could open for more characters since there’s not much you have to implement except for one skill tree. Unless they already said how many characters they have planned but I think it’s a nice and more simplistic style.
I just realised that with the right combinations you can basically create the classes from Destiny: Stabbomancer+Spore Warden=Hunter. Brr-zerker+Clawbringer=Titan. Spellshot+Graveborn=Warlock.
from what i can see each of the classes are themed from D&D classes ie burrzerker is like a barbarian from D&D as they both have the rage mechanic clawbringer is paladin due to both using auras and being warriors of faith graveborn is warlock due to them doing dark/death based magic etc spell shot is wizard/ sorcerer due to them focusing on spells spore warden is ranger/druid due to their nature based skills and being able to summon a bow with their action skill and stabomancer is like a arcane trickster rouge due to them using stealth, being hard to hit etc and some spells
Actually it's 15 possible combinations. Not 30. Why? Because (for example) Stab-Warden and Spore-Mancer are the same. So it's (classes)*(other classes)/(2 as half the combinations are the same). That makes 6*5/2 = 15. You're welcome.
I just think it would have been cooler for the character to take a out a special stabbomancer knife when activating From the Shadows. Then they get to walk around and stab dealing massive damage but if they don't kill an opponent with it then they leave the stealth
so ive thought this for a long time now but the skill tree setup in this kinda shows it, i really think gearbox was testing more varied trees when they made battleborn. I would love to see them make even more classes and styles like they had in that game
Actually having two skill trees isn’t so bad imo. When I play borderlands, its kinda hard for me to decide what skilltree i should invest in when im just playing for fun. Having it go to only two makes it easier to decide, but i guess this also depends on the max level
3 skill trees is pretty overwhelming for basically everyone who doesn't Google builds, I kinda dig it this way as it's way easier to plan out your own build
One thing to say about the skill trees, this way is actually better if you think about it. Usually, you can't allocate points into more than two trees in any meaningful way, so we still get 2 trees for points in this game. Just now, instead of being stuck between 3 trees of synergies, we get up to 6 / 7 with DLC. It's also going to be easier for Dev's to balance each class since there is just one tree to focus on at a time. They'll be able to focus on balancing classes for subclasses and for main classing, without having to worry too much about how broke each individual tree is with it's combo of potentially 2 other trees. I think this is an incredibly healthy choice for the game PLUS it gives us more classes which I'm a huge fan. Wonderlands looks amazing, my nips are blown off.
The ELUSIVE skills text "no lime tangerine" could be a reference to the phrase "noli me tangere" which is Latin for "touch me not" as spoken by jesus to Mary after his resurrection
Going by what this video covers, the stabomancer is going to be the most amazing character in borderlands history and that says something. Stabomancer will definitely be the first class I play
I am looking forward to Clawbringer, and then a Vladof Spellshot build for starting my regular single manufacturer fun, but my fuzzbutt was interested in this video for some reason, so I will be starting up a Stabbomancer as soon as I get a Cat head so I can be him. He is very stabby and very sneaky so it is perfect.
I’m going to replicate two of my DnD characters for my first two characters: Brr-zerker/either Stabomancer or Clawbringer for the first and Spore Warden/Stabomancer for the second
Both classes look neat, and the skills are interesting, but neither of them are exciting to me. I'll give the others a look, seems all the info is up on the website with point caps as well.
I don't want to sound like a jerk but there isn't 30 combinations. 6 classes, you can chose 2 and there is no repetition (graveborn+stabbomancer is the same as stabbomancer+graveborn... there might be some slight differences but basically it's the same) So you get 6! / 2!*(6-2)! = 720/48 = 15 possibilities.
You said there's a total of 30 skill tree combinations, but if I can respec after obtaining the multiclass and can put the majority of my skills in the new class there would only be 15 combinations. There would only be 15 because Brr-zerker/clawbringer would be the same as Clawbringer/Brr-zerker. Or am I missing something?
Definitely see some synergy’s even w the graveborn here too the capstone for gb activates kill skills and stabby has the kill skill on guarantee crit on melee and after you get that you get increased damage for everything for a short time so you spam short cd spells melee and keep killing possibly. I’ll pass still on stabby but still seems very thoughtful even if kind of similar to other trees in the past
@@Joltzdude139 awesome! I definitely felt you on not really liking the melee in bl3. I know it was kind of awkward how it was mapped out too as well when you did it on its own. I know you said you can spam it in the video but does melee feel better in this game?
Why is he saying 30 different combos when it’s only 15 is it because you can start with the opposite of the same combo and he counts that as a separate combination?
Wouldnt it be 15 combinations for skill trees? Because the reverse would be the same thing. Example, stabomancer and graveborne, graveborne and stabomancer.
@@Joltzdude139 actually since the skill trees for graveborn + stabbomancer and stabbomancer + graveborn are the same there's actually only 15 unique combos. It basically goes 5+4+3+2+1
Correct. You can shoot the enemy anywhere and maybe get a crit. The chance is low so it doesn’t seem overpowered. You can also still aim at the enemy’s crit spot and hit normal crits too.
Idk how to feel... Was expecting a melee focused skilltree, since you can pick other trees..so,.y'know, mix and match the focuses. Instead it's capstone isn't even a melee one.... Weird. Eh.
I wish I was more excited for this game, but the release state of borderlands 3, and the release of Elden Ring(plus the release state compared between the two), make me a bit hesitant. I think the release state of borderlands 3 is the deciding factor for me. I don't feel like waiting over a year for a functioning game like last time, so it is just not even worth the risk. like.. I absolutely hated completely changing my build on a weekly basis just to keep up with the weekly patches, nerfs, buffs, completely changing almost every weapon.. like, no thanks.. and yes, most games have a gap between release and perfection, but the state BL3 was released in just makes me not want to touch the game until later. and I actually consider borderlands one of my favorite series of all time.. I guess the lazy state BL3 was released in is still making me biased, and even though they fixed it, I'm not willing to risk the same situation happening
No action skill customization options (atleast in the skill tree) is a little disappointing. Other than that, looks like a promising game, albeit the skill tree looks fairly blank tbh.
The only problem I see is that there are a lot of skills that only apply to gun or melee. I feel like they should try to open it up a bit. Like the capstone only procs on ranged and spell crits, but it should also proc with melee IMO. Can’t really know until it’s tried though
You can aim at an enemy's crit spot and land critical hits. You can also boost your crit chance and score automatic critical hits by attacking anywhere on the enemy.
Here is the full Stabbomancer skill tree! What do you think about it? Also, big thanks to 2K and Gearbox for allowing me to play this demo.
Dear Gearbox don't ruin this game with Mayhem mode thanks
i want to play the game so bad, but my computer cant even run borderlands 3 above 20fps :(
I was just thinking if they make the max lvl 40 at launch, does that mean the final dlc that comes out will a level cap of 6 with an introduction of 3 skill trees to one dlc? Like the one on borderlands 3 arms race (possibly?) Is 2K possibly going to do the same thing?
Joltz, there are only 15 combos of skill trees, 1 2, 1 3, 1 4, 1 5, 1 6, 2 3, 2 4, 2 5, 2 6, 3 4, 3 5, 3 6, 4 5, 4 6 and 5 6,not 30 like you say in the video
@@IDemigaming87 yeah 6C2 is 15 maybe 6P2 was done by accident
This will be the character for my first playthrough :)
"The mostest unkindest cut of all" is a Shakespear quote, discribing the stabbing of Ceasar by Brutus :)
Ah! Good to know
Missed ya man, welcome back.
The quote you were confused about is a reference to Shakespear's Julius Caesar. Antony describes Brutus' stab wound as the "most unkindest cut of all" because it was delivered by a friend.
"No Lime Tangerine" is either a reference to the novel Noli Me Tángere about the colonization of the Philippines by the Spanish, or else just the literal translation of said phrase "Touch me not".
Ok, I’ve decided. Stabbomancer/graveborn spell melee elemental build. Getting double spell casts which can afflict multiple elemental effects and deal melee damage. The melee damage then doing more elemental effects. I don’t know how it works but it seems like with graveborn and stab you can afflict 4 different elements at once with a spell (because of the dark damage from grave ability and then afflicting another element for each element you afflict), maybe more cause of the companion and then the melee damage from the stab cap stone will maybe proc 4 more elemental effects and the Demi litch may also proc the melee damage from spells, idk, and proc 4 more elements. Possible 16 elemental procs at once, maybe more? Idk, It seems awesome though. The several way to get back health or reduce damage from graveborn. The movement speed and high crit from stabbomancer. Always having kills skills active. I feel like it’d be a pretty nuts build. After that I’ll probably do a pet build.
You’ve got it all planned out!
i thought the same i this those too is my class im going for altho spore an grave can be a deadly combo too
I like the Status effect,damage synergy of Stabb/ claw...with fire and shock orbs like Amaras Remnant. But Spore and Stab look super strong with all the richocets that can crit which causes a status effect
@@RemingtonSteel a lot of amazing sounding builds I look forward to trying. It’s real difficult to choose what to do first.
Can't wait for Wonderlands and more videos from Joltz!!
Also remember. They may add DLC characters, so there may be even more skill trees after the first year
They never did for 3 assuming 3 has all it's content so maybe not.
@@genesis4322 3 also had 4 character at launch and 3 trees and eventually a 4th tree (12 to eventually 16 trees). That was their justification. In this game, you have one tree per class with the ability to get a second tree, but only 6 classes, which is half the number of trees that BL3 had at launch. So in my mind, the possibility of new trees via new characters is obvious with maybe even an option to get a third tree (if the level cap will increase past 40)
My thought is because they already have 6 characters at launch which is the most any other game had, they will give each character one more skill tree as it would add more possibilities than 1 more character would.
@@genesis4322 CALLED IT!!!
@@jrockz133t Called what not sure what got announced
Considering there are many melee and crit bonus skills in the skill tree, I can see a crit-melee build of Stabbomancer in the future.
If we get DLC classes, which can easily be done in Wonderlands compared to the other Borderlands games, I'd love an Artificer class called the Yarr'tificer, obviously it has a pirate theme.
Duuuude, for sure gonna start and main this class, i love zane’s ability to do more damage while moving and zero’s melee abilities. Stabbomancer will be so fun
Great to see you back! Also 6 factorial is 15 possible combinations
It would be 15 but the 15 comes from 6C2 also 6! is 720
I actually really like the single skill tree for each character. It makes it more simple and easier to get the cooler skills towards the bottom. I think it’s also really nice because it could open for more characters since there’s not much you have to implement except for one skill tree. Unless they already said how many characters they have planned but I think it’s a nice and more simplistic style.
Dumbing down an already incredibly simplified leveling system. I miss bl2
I just realised that with the right combinations you can basically create the classes from Destiny:
Stabbomancer+Spore Warden=Hunter.
Brr-zerker+Clawbringer=Titan.
Spellshot+Graveborn=Warlock.
from what i can see
each of the classes are themed from D&D classes
ie burrzerker is like a barbarian from D&D as they both have the rage mechanic
clawbringer is paladin due to both using auras and being warriors of faith
graveborn is warlock due to them doing dark/death based magic etc
spell shot is wizard/ sorcerer due to them focusing on spells
spore warden is ranger/druid due to their nature based skills and being able to summon a bow with their action skill
and stabomancer is like a arcane trickster rouge due to them using stealth, being hard to hit etc and some spells
This game looks way better then i thought
Actually it's 15 possible combinations. Not 30. Why? Because (for example) Stab-Warden and Spore-Mancer are the same. So it's (classes)*(other classes)/(2 as half the combinations are the same). That makes 6*5/2 = 15. You're welcome.
So glad your back making vids my bro
"The most unkindest cut of all"
William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar
Feels like he will be the complement to the spore warden for the ideal long range class (sniper)
I just think it would have been cooler for the character to take a out a special stabbomancer knife when activating From the Shadows. Then they get to walk around and stab dealing massive damage but if they don't kill an opponent with it then they leave the stealth
Depending on what Brrrserkers whole schtick is, I reckon Serk and Stabbomancer are gonna be really good in this.
Definitely going to be my starting class. For the perks alone not so much the melee.
Spellshot capstone + stabo as the 2nd class sounds amazing
i'm already in love with this charecter!!
so ive thought this for a long time now but the skill tree setup in this kinda shows it, i really think gearbox was testing more varied trees when they made battleborn. I would love to see them make even more classes and styles like they had in that game
Can’t wait to do a melee build with this guy!
The quote on the "The Thousand Cuts" skill should have been "Hey Slab!"
Actually having two skill trees isn’t so bad imo. When I play borderlands, its kinda hard for me to decide what skilltree i should invest in when im just playing for fun. Having it go to only two makes it easier to decide, but i guess this also depends on the max level
I agree in bl3 I would normally go for 2 skill trees anyway and having like 2 or 3 spare skills in the 3rd skill tree.
And you can switch out the second one.
3 skill trees is pretty overwhelming for basically everyone who doesn't Google builds, I kinda dig it this way as it's way easier to plan out your own build
can wait to do a brr-zerker with stabbomancer build
sounds fun
One thing to say about the skill trees, this way is actually better if you think about it. Usually, you can't allocate points into more than two trees in any meaningful way, so we still get 2 trees for points in this game. Just now, instead of being stuck between 3 trees of synergies, we get up to 6 / 7 with DLC. It's also going to be easier for Dev's to balance each class since there is just one tree to focus on at a time. They'll be able to focus on balancing classes for subclasses and for main classing, without having to worry too much about how broke each individual tree is with it's combo of potentially 2 other trees. I think this is an incredibly healthy choice for the game PLUS it gives us more classes which I'm a huge fan.
Wonderlands looks amazing, my nips are blown off.
Nice video Joltz!
HOORAY JOLTZ IS BACK, MISSED YOU JOLTZ :D
The ELUSIVE skills text "no lime tangerine" could be a reference to the phrase "noli me tangere" which is Latin for "touch me not" as spoken by jesus to Mary after his resurrection
Going by what this video covers, the stabomancer is going to be the most amazing character in borderlands history and that says something. Stabomancer will definitely be the first class I play
I am looking forward to Clawbringer, and then a Vladof Spellshot build for starting my regular single manufacturer fun, but my fuzzbutt was interested in this video for some reason, so I will be starting up a Stabbomancer as soon as I get a Cat head so I can be him. He is very stabby and very sneaky so it is perfect.
I’m going to replicate two of my DnD characters for my first two characters: Brr-zerker/either Stabomancer or Clawbringer for the first and Spore Warden/Stabomancer for the second
It refers to the stabbing of Caesar. The unkindest cut off all is betrayal
They are totally going to add more skill trees later. they just want to get this out and drop these later.(Probably for an additional cost obviously)
YOOO Glad to see your back
Feeling a StabWarden build would be amazingly fun
I was gonna go graveborn main but stubbo zerker seems up my alley!
I had planned on making it my starter and this just confirms that
Same!
so glad they went through the effort of making a new hud, hated that about pre sequel
Both classes look neat, and the skills are interesting, but neither of them are exciting to me.
I'll give the others a look, seems all the info is up on the website with point caps as well.
I don't want to sound like a jerk but there isn't 30 combinations.
6 classes, you can chose 2 and there is no repetition (graveborn+stabbomancer is the same as stabbomancer+graveborn... there might be some slight differences but basically it's the same)
So you get 6! / 2!*(6-2)! = 720/48 = 15 possibilities.
will ghost blade proc the buffs you get from the skill tree by doing meele damage?
You said there's a total of 30 skill tree combinations, but if I can respec after obtaining the multiclass and can put the majority of my skills in the new class there would only be 15 combinations. There would only be 15 because Brr-zerker/clawbringer would be the same as Clawbringer/Brr-zerker. Or am I missing something?
No, you’re not missing something. You’re right.
I haven't seen any videos of the game and seeing from this video it looks really nice
Missed you Joltz!
Missed you hope your body never gets hurt again its been too long joltz
Definitely see some synergy’s even w the graveborn here too the capstone for gb activates kill skills and stabby has the kill skill on guarantee crit on melee and after you get that you get increased damage for everything for a short time so you spam short cd spells melee and keep killing possibly. I’ll pass still on stabby but still seems very thoughtful even if kind of similar to other trees in the past
That is one I saw too. Kill skills on demand will make a lot of crazy combos work.
@@Joltzdude139 awesome! I definitely felt you on not really liking the melee in bl3. I know it was kind of awkward how it was mapped out too as well when you did it on its own. I know you said you can spam it in the video but does melee feel better in this game?
stabbomancer is giving me samurai build from cyberpunk, just run around and hack and slash!
Might start with it but would probably multiclass down the road
joltz is back.
Hope there is great new music and compelling story.
+ I hope the A.I is really smart in this game and feels like dynamic and exciting enemies
Why is he saying 30 different combos when it’s only 15 is it because you can start with the opposite of the same combo and he counts that as a separate combination?
May legitimately try melee only for my first run through this game.
wouldnt there only be 15 skill tree combos instead of 30? or am i doing my math wrong? haha
He feels like a melee Zer0 2.0 with a splash of Amara elemental tree from BL3. Anyone else got that vibe?
Hey joltz, did you streamed these 2 videos?
Hi joltz been a fan since 2019
I hate to be pedantic but there isn’t a typo in the description of the contagion skill. Unless a word is spelled wrong that I don’t recognize.
Wouldnt it be 15 combinations for skill trees? Because the reverse would be the same thing. Example, stabomancer and graveborne, graveborne and stabomancer.
But you still have exactly the same skill trees xd
@@raulparrado1547 thats my point. its not 30 combinations its 15.
Im not quite sure what you mean.
This might end up being a better game than BL3.
They're adding a 7th class, what if they go up to 9 and then drop triple classing? That'd be balancing hell
Man I wonder if the melee is going to be the R3 button on controllers again that would be awkward.
I'm thinking stabomancer with graveborn. Melee and survivability
Joltz the game isnt even out yet how are you playing it?? sorry if i sound aggressive im just really excited for the game
Healing issues abound. Might be good with graveborn to help heal
missed you mann
if there is a unleash the dragon in this game, stabbomancer op
Could you do one for the speelshot?
I really want to know your thoughts about it
Love to see sone nerfed down Zane skills. Definitely going to start with this guy
8:00 There is no typo...
Is there rarity still? All guns in inventory had a greenish back ground
Yep! White, green, blue, purple, and orange are confirmed so far.
gearbox PLEASE give us the option to make the crosshair appear in the middle of the screen
That option is there. I just forgot to change that lol.
I am probably going to multiclass into this..
Same
Couldn't you just pick a tanky 2nd class for the Stabbomancer to make up for the glass cannon nature of it?
We need a new word for Deceptaway. Maybe Shadceptaway.
You know I will lol
One skill tree? Omg
Jolts are you back pls tell me your back pls
I mean when a dlc drops we might get a 3rd skill tree
Are we gonna see some gameplay ?
Finally
Why does this game remind me so much of vermintide
Does the ethereal melee attack from the capstone activate on-melee-hit skills?
joltz when you will back to dahl maya
Having one skill tree but can mix, that's 36 combos, vs 12 that were used to.
Keep in mind you can’t multiclass with your same class again so 6 x 5
@@Joltzdude139 yeah, that's what I meant. So 30 instead. Which is still good imo
@@Joltzdude139 actually since the skill trees for graveborn + stabbomancer and stabbomancer + graveborn are the same there's actually only 15 unique combos. It basically goes 5+4+3+2+1
im gonna go brrzerker
Is critical hit chance like megavore where it procs on body shots or do headshots not have 100% chance of being a crit?
Correct. You can shoot the enemy anywhere and maybe get a crit. The chance is low so it doesn’t seem overpowered. You can also still aim at the enemy’s crit spot and hit normal crits too.
I wonder who is playing the game with Tina, and who these character belong to
Idk how to feel... Was expecting a melee focused skilltree, since you can pick other trees..so,.y'know, mix and match the focuses. Instead it's capstone isn't even a melee one.... Weird.
Eh.
How many points do you have to put in a tier before going to the next tier
5
I wish I was more excited for this game, but the release state of borderlands 3, and the release of Elden Ring(plus the release state compared between the two), make me a bit hesitant. I think the release state of borderlands 3 is the deciding factor for me. I don't feel like waiting over a year for a functioning game like last time, so it is just not even worth the risk. like.. I absolutely hated completely changing my build on a weekly basis just to keep up with the weekly patches, nerfs, buffs, completely changing almost every weapon.. like, no thanks.. and yes, most games have a gap between release and perfection, but the state BL3 was released in just makes me not want to touch the game until later. and I actually consider borderlands one of my favorite series of all time.. I guess the lazy state BL3 was released in is still making me biased, and even though they fixed it, I'm not willing to risk the same situation happening
I'm calling it, Elusive is going to be broken at some point. Get going at Mach 10 and never get hit
No action skill customization options (atleast in the skill tree) is a little disappointing. Other than that, looks like a promising game, albeit the skill tree looks fairly blank tbh.
The only problem I see is that there are a lot of skills that only apply to gun or melee. I feel like they should try to open it up a bit. Like the capstone only procs on ranged and spell crits, but it should also proc with melee IMO. Can’t really know until it’s tried though
wait Tiny Tina's Wonderlands is a fuul game and not a dlc for bordeland 3? did not know that
Correct
Does Wonderlands have Headshot damage and Crit damage or is it same thing?
You can aim at an enemy's crit spot and land critical hits. You can also boost your crit chance and score automatic critical hits by attacking anywhere on the enemy.
Ok its decided my first run will be spells and melee only.
I'm gonna learn the game first before I dive into challenge runs.