Revisiting The Wild GT2 Finish At Laguna Seca
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2022
- The 2009 American Le Mans Series finale at Laguna Seca had one of the wildest finishes in Sports Car Racing history in the GT2 class between the #45 Flying Lizard Porsche of Jorg Bergmeister and the #3 Corvette of Jan Magnussen.
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I'm glad I picked to watch this race instead of NASCAR at Auto Club. That race was boring, but this race was awesome.
That was fucked up. Rubbing is racing and what not, a love tap or two but that was blatant.
Holy hell, man. Thanks for showing this one. That is exciting af lol. Damn.
Haha no problem. Glad you enjoyed the video 👍
As a Corvette fan, yeah thanks for uploading this video the day before my 22nd birthday🥲
In all seriousness, this was indeed a legendary finish! Hard racing, gone wrong.
Ahhh damn. Happy birthday Ian!!!!
@@Demise90Racing thank you!
You mean gone right, right? Jan tried to cheat 🤓
@André Deketele 'AstuteComplexTheory' if Jan tried to cheat then the porsche definetly did, he literally intentionally wrecked the vette
Race car drivers will go anywhere If it’s a grey area
Love the this vid man , liked the style where you do the intro and let the commentators speak then share your side at the end . Also you have a great eye for good racing . I’ve raced karts and skip barber and f1000, and f2000 and raced against stroll , latifi , and Fittipaldi . Love your vids and keep ‘em up!!!
Thank you, I really appreciate it. That's pretty awesome man. I just love racing and talking about it. I'm glad others like yourself enjoy the stuff I make.
Man ALMS cars were amazing. That C6 and Porsche in person were a staple of my childhood at Mid-Ohio. Also the open cockpit Acura and Penske Porsche prototypes were badass. Loved the video. This race was very controversial back in the day.
My 2jz would get that Porsche.
joerg shouldve gotten penalised in some way in my personal opinion
I loved the moment the Ford GT got Ricardo Zonta'ed.
Love that #45 Flying Lizard. GT Porsche cars are some of the most fun to drive in games and simulators.
It's actually hard to say what caused the actual crash there but the #45 purposefully ran his opponent tight into the wall because he could see himself getting out accelerated.
I feel maybe part of the #45 purposefully running his opponent tight into the wall was because of that little bump he got in the last corner. I could see myself doing that too after receiving such bump, because it feels unfair - but of course we can never know if he would have, or wouldn't have, done the same if that bump hadn't occurred.
Bump took his momentum. Fair play after that.
@@bobdrooples
Maybe. For me the two incidents aren't the same. Running someone into the barriers, even parallel to the barrier itself is objectively dangerous. The bump received previously was unsportsmanlike but that could have been dealt with by good hard officiating. In my opinion anyway.
What caused the actual crash was Bergmeister turning into #3's fender as the Corvette overtook in a move that could have killed Jan.
Holy sh*t that was insane. I’m glad I got this recommendation
Oh this legendary battle... As good as that battle was, what happened at the last corner and after was absolute bullshit. Luckily this wouldn't be allowed here in Europe...
Jan years later in a danish interview said that he tried to stay on the throttle because maybe he could cross the line first anyway. Also said that, that wasn't the smartest thing he had done.
You can't just wreck someone, I can't believe there is no penalty for clearly crashing him. If he had just drove him to the wall, the stewards would most likely just have penalised Jan afterwards for the bump. It's sports cars not formula expect some contact even if it not touring car levels.
Watching this reminded me of the endurance race on Gran Turismo 2 and 3, 90 laps of fun.
Specially gt3, where you had that beautiful yellow Corvette racing Vette
I mean to be fair Magnussen also got pushed wide out of turn 1. I feel there should've been a penalty for the Porsche
Getting pushed wide is a lot different than someone hitting you from the back so you loose a position. Hence, why neither was called by the officials. However, driving down the ramp was a "shortcut" and that was called.
If you have the line and someone hits you out of it intentionally, that's what you get. Corvette try multiple times and got stop, lucky he didn't crash keeping his position
@@felixsantiago5606 You can't "push" or bump someone intentionally out of place because "you have the line". This is not bumper cars.
Watched this as it happened on tv. Watched this years later. Watched it now. Still think the Vette got hosed by the porsche. The fact there was no penalty was pure chicken shit. we've seen guys who dump someone for a win in races like this/F1/indycar get penalized. So for this to be a no call was bull
Vette tried the NApCAR bump n run to start the whole chain of events. Then he didn’t clear the Porsche. No call is the right call.
GT is arguably the better of the categories in IMSA or ALMS as it was then IMO, with few exceptions. Name me an iconic prototype finish from this time period?
I dunno, something about 90s/2000s era GT is just magical, even at the time I felt like I was watching something that was close and exciting, while Audi ran off with the prototype category, the GT field more than made up for it IMO. This battle, Sebring 07 (which probably deserves a vid on the whole race and the finale in the GT category), and several others all helped that mindset.
Yet the past few years, Le Mans and WEC have, somehow, got it right, hypercar IMO has done something good. Le Mans this year had me captivated from start to finish for 24 solid hours, and GT were on form as usual. I'm not holding out hope GT3 can match this year, or the 09 battle, or 07 Sebring or....
No, we honestly need less underbody downforce and more power. GT3 is BOOOOORING. Bring back GT1 and GT2! Even the LMGTE battles were actually pretty great. And those cars ALL sounded absolutely amazing.
Flying Lizard had the best livery in ALMS, overall...
Change my mind!
Yessss
PorschE the E at the end isn‘t silent 😉
The Porsche ran the Vette off the road exiting the first hairpin on the final lap, making contact in the process. The Vette had every right to return the favor by giving the Porsche a bump into the last corner. Likewise the Porsche had every right to run the Vette down to the wall, but the fact he just flat out hooks the Vette and sends him into the wall was both dangerous and extremely poor sportsmanship. The fact they let the results stand is ridiculous.
Agreed. Jan was cheated out of that one. The W should’ve been team vette for sure.
Wrong. The Vette deserves the wall. This is America. Rubbing is racing
@@allenparedes6132ThIs Is AmErIcA lol, shut up. There's a reason US drivers in actual premier motorsports series are so garbage
@allenparedes6132 Youre right, rubbing is racing. Crashing people isn't 😊
@@allenparedes6132 No one denies rubbing is racing, pit maneuver tho is not racing.
I remember watching this live and couldn't believe my eyes with the hard racing except for the cringe moment at the finish. Jorg Bergmeister got loose exiting turn 1 and ran Jan Magnussen off the track accidentally. Jan came back and gave Jorg the bumper at the final turn...these I didn't mind since it was a hard racing deal.
The part with Jorg losing his cool, running Jan to the wall, and then hooking Jan on the straightaway was what I had a problem with...I would of liked to seen a photo finish to this race as anybody else would have. This moment alone ruined the GT2 finish.
Yeah the Porsche pushed him into the wall but the corvette had plenty of time to let off just a tiny bit
I love how the euro fan boys trash the US at every chance they get. Yet Cadillac and Corvette (both American GM) are holding their own rather well. I love it. USA baby!
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Could someone explain to me what cars are allowed to race in this kind of series?? I know almost nothing about GT racing but I’m curious to know what vehicles are allowed
GT racing is based on production cars using what are basically production chassis, but stripped to bare metal/carbon fiber, and built into racing cars with modifications allowed very carefully, and often politically, by the rulemakers to maintain a Balance Of Performance that allows a Corvette, a Ferrari 488, a Porsche 911, an Aston Martin Vantage, a Ford GT, and a BMW M8 to all run fairly competitively with each other despite massive differences in size, weight and power.
@@fluffskunk thank you for the explanation I really appreciate it.
The C6 will always be the last Corvette that actually looked like a Corvette... Fight me
The corvettiest corvette without a doubt
Happy Wednesday, Demise90
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10:04 I wouldnt be surprised if that sparked retaliation eventually... Like NASCAR ;)
I was actually there in person 😀
That Porsche raced like 2018 and prior Joey Logano 😂
Ford GT! 😊
You have to show Sebring of the same year finish. It explains why Lizard took a strong stance during this moment at Laguna. Because at Sebring the Lizard took a last corner beating by the Ferrari & lost the win. This race, Lizard said: Nope...Not a 2nd time!
I'm quite pissed at myself........Jorg Bergmeister was a "Porsche Ambassador" at the 6h of The Glen this year, I met him and have his autograph, and had NO idea who he was at the time. And I call myself an IMSA fan. Shame.
That was a dirty move by the Porsche driver. He intentionally hooked the Corvette. Earlier in the same lap he also drove the Corvette off the track. Moves like this are exactly what causes motorsports to become more boring over the years if they are not punished. If you allow this kind of defensive driving you basically make it impossible to overtake in the long run, because then everyone will defend like that. And nobody wants to see that.
I agree with your opinion. He literally wrecked him in order to get the win. Total chicken shit and endangering another racer’s life in the process. The racing body screwed that one up in a very big way.
Disagree. So it would have been OK for the vette to push him in the rear of the car so he could get past? What comes around.... as they both played bumper cars. This wouldn't have happened if the vette didn't hit him in the back on the last turn. Would be like tripping a runner who was in front of you right before the finish line.
@@johnjerrehian4642 I mean the difference between a light bump to unsettle the car a tiny bit coming out of a corner to open a gap to dive down compared to pinning the vette into the wall leaning on him and constantly bouncing him off the wall until the end where it ends in pit manoeuvre from the car getting unsettled from bouncing off the wall with no room for correction isn’t the same especially when the Porsche was sand bagging the vette in lap times and sector time with the vette being faster Porsche driving was great at defence driving sure you can look at it both ways of either being in the right for the situation but didn’t need to end in a pit into the wall
@@rhy_harris3015 I don't disagree with you as the two have been at it for a while. I understand there were issues between the two in a past race where the vette was bumping the Porsche and kept it from winning. Payback? Probably. With this said, the vette bumped him just enough to unsettle the car and give the vette an opportunity to win. Did the Porsche driver squeeze the vette driver into the wall? Could the vette drive have gone around the right side of the vette, (sure but he would have most definitely lost the race). Yes, see it both ways, (and agree with you). At the end of the day it was the judges that made the ruling and we get to see a wild finish!
No penalty to 45 is joke
I remember watching this race live. I’ve always been a motorsports fan, and was a huge fan of both Porsche and Flying Lizard by extension.
This was hard racing up until the contact at the start of the last lap. I don’t think the initial contact at the beginning of the lap was intentional. I know however the move into the last corner was a last ditch effort, and Bergmeister responded accordingly. I don’t think his intention was to put the Corvette into the wall, but simply fight until the bitter end… and that they certainly did!
His intention was definitely to run him into the wall lol otherwise he wouldn't have ran him all the way to the fucking wall
The Corvette doesn't go flying without Bergmeister turning into the fender as it goes past. If Magnussen had been injured or killed, Bergmeister would have been 100% at fault and there wouldn't even be a discussion. Can't believe Porsche fanboys still defend this.
Great racing all the way until the exit of the last turn. Hooking your opponent is a garbage move, and very well should have been a penalty. As far as the pit lane pass, Jan was pretty much forced there by the Porsche. Victory should not have stood, Corvette should have won that race. Bumping into the last corner was always going to happen. Like you said, I'd have been on with them banging off the wall across the line. Not hooking him though. Horrible sportsmanship. Some drivers just do not respect others these days, and it truly shows in situations like this.
"Bumping into the last corner was always going to happen" doesn't make it right. It should also have been a penalty. Though I agree the Porsche move after that should have been a bigger penalty, so I guess I agree with your conclusion.
@@rickyspanish4792 the incident entering the corner was nothing more than a lovetap.
@@Spike-sk7ql Yea a love tap that unsettled the car, because in all the other laps the Corvette never was able to get near the Porsche until under breaking for turn 1. So that love tap was what he needed to get along side coming out of the final turn. Bumping your opponent going into a turn to unsettle them and get a run on them out of the turn, is a garbage move. The Corvette getting wrecked was karma and the stewards rightfully didn't give the Porsche a penalty, because they have half a brain.
@@Boo-jk3ii so then the Porsche running the vette off track at the exit of turn 1 every time was just "great racing" in your eyes? Deliberately wrecking your opponent into a wall is far more than making them get loose entering a corner.
I watched it live and I'm still amazed Bergmeister didn't get a multi-race suspension. A good driver but on that evening, he was a phenomenally garbage competitor.
Close racing in the corners is expected and appreciated. But using a PIT maneuver in the middle of the straight to prevent a pass is poor sportsmanship and very dangerous. The Porsche driver should have been penalized.
“Blockmeister” lost any respect.
I’m a month late, but you hit the key points right on. Wheel banging and door banging are free reign in these type of cars (unlike F1 / Indy where a wheel tap punts someone), and squeezing to the wall is within the rules as well. I would say the tap to the Porsche’s rear is what caused their bad acceleration, and their desperation to squeeze the Vette to the wall. I’m not well versed in the penalty system for these cars, so I can’t make a judgement on if the Vette would’ve won because of the tap to the rear (all I know is it wasnt a clean overtake). But the Porsche winning with the Vette second is the right outcome. And both drivers getting their probations make the most sense to me. It took both drivers letting emotions fly for that wreck to happen.
Nah you're not a month late. It doesn't matter if you watch this today or in ten years. The video is timeless because the events that took place in 2009 will never change haha. It seems like we are on the same page regarding this. Thank you for the comment.
Great video but you pronounce Porsche wrong. Its 2 syllables, like Porsche-ah.
Thank you. As my response to someone else that said the same thing, it's a force of habit. When you've worked in the auto industry for awhile you call vehicles the shortest name possible. Nobody in the shop says the full pronunciation of Porsche. Hell the Porsche employees that I've had to deal with don't even pronounce the full name.
When you own one you call it what you like.
Also, it's easy to pass the leader in the last corner of the last lap when you use the leader car as your brakes! Mags went light on his brakes & used the Porsche to slow him down. That's the BS move! Making the Porsche all squirrely while the Vette carries more momentum than usual & powers down out of the corner. Lizard was simply Tired of being the punching bag & losing out of another win.
Right outcome for once.
Nobody did anything wrong until the end coming to the finish. The Porsche was beaten and decided to right-rear a guy into the wall. The Porsche forced the Corvette wide a couple times and should have known that if the Corvette got back to him, he was going to get moved. The Corvette moved him (didn't wreck him) and Porsche decided that "nope, your ass in the fence buddy." I'm even fine with driving the Corvette to the wall but you were beaten. Take the L.
Dont really agree with that. The vette was miles too far back into the last turn, so just rammed the porsche. If you have to ram people to get past, that isn't racing.
Lol good thing you aren't a steward or a racing driver if you think what the Corvette did was just fine and that the Porsche should have just lost due to a dirty move at the last turn. Don't want to get wrecked don't fuck around. And news flash there is nothing against the rules to run someone wide.
The bump was the bad. Afterwards was racing.
so you know nothing about racing, there is a car widith between the wall and the Porsche andhe is not weaving , so completely legal
Cheater gets put in to the wall. Makes sense.
He last lap mangumussen the disgusting and usportsmanship victory the last lap contact Porsche taken out corvette and victory at the not penalty so dissapointe decision and deserved penalty not great decision
Completely a chicken shit move, Corvette had the faster car going into the final straight. There’s hard racing, and then there’s pulling a Joey Logano
You are soft served ice cream
@@allenparedes6132 I do like that kind of ice cream
It’s not Porsh it’s Porsche
When you've worked in the auto industry for a long time, yes it is. Every manufacturer becomes the shortest name possible.
@iceman4943 Nobody important car(e)s you pedantic ...... Move on...
@@FonikosGazmas I’m just sayin
@@Demise90Racing true man. and it's only Porschuh in Germany. In English native countries it's Porsch...If people gon' bitch point 'm to Bugatti, Ducati and Ferrari. In Italian way different as in the rest of the world. love ur vids man. though i think in this vid the 45 Porsche deserved a punishment. dishing out but not taking it is very bad sportsmanship. Dale crashed in nearly the same way, just way faster. Dangerous moves shouldn't be rewarded. Keep it up man! Love the vids!
The Porsche driver is the dirtiest driver I have seen in a while. You shove him out of the track multiple times, then rush him down to the wall then turn him, that’s honestly how someone gets hurt. Unacceptable
Corvette is weak. Porsche is the muscle car.
Not sure if you're making any sense when you say that you feel the Corvette was justifiable in using the pit exit lane to get a run at the Porsche to then get the inside line that he wouldn't have gotten if he didn't use something that isn't part of the race track. And then you say that it was justified to give the spot back to the Porsche for an illegal overtake. If you made an illegal move you can't justify in any way.
Yea you're biased for the Corvette team but don't try and say what the Porsche did was a chicken shit move and in the same instance say you would have been fine if they just rubbed paint along to the finish line. The only reason they were rubbing paint was because of the Corvette either just broke too late or was trying to carry more speed into the last turn to try and get a better run out of it. Or he knowingly broke later to run into the back of the Porsche to unsettle it out of the corner so it wouldn't be able to get good traction when power was being applied to make a run to the line.
The Corvette was desperate it tried anything to pass no matter how illegal or dirty it was. So it was karma that the Corvette got turned into the wall.
You are actually wrong on that, as Jorg Bergmeister himself later admitted to backing up the last corner purposely in hopes of slowing Jan down too much so he couldn't get a run. But Jan Magnusson wasn't playing games. I have no idea where you are trying to go here. I look at every situation from both perspectives and try to give my thoughts on what each side is thinking. And yeah it was a chicken shit move, that's what hooking someone on a straight is, and always will be.
@@Demise90Racing Last I checked in racing if you are following another car and you run into them under breaking, it's your fault. Since you're the one chasing and wanting to pass. The person in the lead can pick their braking points and how to defend at the corner so long as they don't block. Jorg is entitled to take the turn as he wishes without causing any undo risk, like for example just stomping hard on the brakes and bleeding way more speed than normal for that turn. An even better example would be what Max did to Lewis last year when he had to give the spot back and brake checked him in the middle of the track and also jinxed in the same direction that Lewis was going for. Your thoughts on the matter in specific places just didn't make sense at all. The chicken shit move wouldn't have been done if Jan didn't bump Jorg at the turn which if you know anything about racing that will unsettle the car coming out of the turn, which the contact was made when Jorg was coming out of the turn and about to apply power. Without the bump Jan wouldn't have even made it along side, as it was shown many laps before that he only managed to get some what of run well past the start/finish line.
@@Boo-jk3ii I honestly stopped reading as soon as you said Max and Lewis. That pretty much explains everything I need to know as to why you don't know what good racing is.
@@Demise90Racing What? How I gave you an example of a very chicken shit move that everyone is in agreement that it was indeed a shitty and underhanded move that Max did. Which is why he was penalized for it. It should have been harsher since it was a deliberate attempt to take out a championship rival out that needed to win that race and set the fastest lap as well to make sure he had the best chance going into the final race to win the championship. Since after Lewis won that race he was level on points with Max, which meant whoever scored more points in the last race would be the next champion.
Had the collusion that Max caused during the race ruined Lewis's race then Max would have been handed a harsher penalty. And you can't say that what Max did in the middle of the track when he was ordered to hand over the position to Lewis, was just peachy. He slowed down all of sudden while in the middle of the track no where near a turn, and then when Lewis attempted to overtake him. Max applied significant pressure to the brakes and also jinxed towards the path that Lewis was going towards. All of this backed up by telemetry as well.
I do know what good racing is. I just simply am calling out on what I would say is a bad take on the very wild ending to this race you covered in the video. It was good hard racing up until the end. It went too far at the end and it was both drivers fault it went that far, BUT its not a 50/50 fault here. Its more fault towards Magnussen, because of the bump he gave Bergmeister at the last turn. You can't argue that the bump didn't unsettle the Porsche and compromised its ability to get proper traction and power like the many laps before hand. Without the bump, Magnussen wouldn't have even gotten alongside anywhere close enough to the start/finish line. You even admitted that you have a bias leaning in one direction and that's probably coloring your opinion on what happened at the end. I have no bias over either team or driver that this video is about. So I'm looking at this from what was shown to me and what I know of racing as I've been watching all kinds of major motor sports across the world, since I was 5 and that's a very very long time ago for me. I grew up watching lots of very well known and legendary drivers across the different disciplines. I watched live the accidents that claimed the lives of Ratzenberger and Senna, those being the earliest memories from watching racing where I saw drivers die. That was a rough race weekend.
Not trying to attack you or anything I've enjoyed all of your past videos. Just didn't agree with a few points of your video.
@@Boo-jk3ii dude literally told you that Jorg purposefully made Jan hit him and you still wrote a wall of bullshit. Lol
unprofessional and in a vette
Vette was cheating and dirty. Deserved what he got.
Corvette tried to cheat by intentionally ramming the porsche in the last turn when he was beaten. So the porsche intentionally hit him back. Fuck around and find out.
No, the Porsche braked to slow his momentum down. The Corvette wasn't expecting it, hence why he bumped into him. If he wanted to ram him, he would've used a LOT more force.
@@kirkyturki1546 the porsche braked early, with the intent of causing the corvette to run into the back of him, which was otherwise much too far behind to make a pass and thus no threat at all, resulting in being pushed wide and nearly losing the race? This is seriously your argument?
@@elite76 Um, yes. Because clearly the Corvette was gaining momentum. You do realize that if the Porsche hadn't done that, the Vette would've kept it's speed, and then accelerated past him. So yes, that is my argument. Your point? If the corvette really wanted to ram him, he would've used more force. The car is more than capable.
@@kirkyturki1546 lol, gaining momentum? He's miles back and it's the very last turn. Explain to me how, without contact old mate was going to make the pass. Did the vette suddenly find an extra 300hp? You're utterly clueless mate, go back to need for speed. I race for a living kid.
@@elite76 Bruh, if you race for a living, then you should KNOW THIS. They even explained it in an interview that that's what the Porsche did. Bergmeister didn't dispute this either. And as for how he'd make the pass, the Vette was clearly the faster car in straights. All he had to do was go around the Porsche with the momentum he had, because once the Vette's have momentum around 60+ mph, they HAUL down straights. So Bergmeister was trying to slow that down the best he could, hence why he "Parked it" or Released the throttle. Cmon man, he wasn't MILES back. He was mere seconds from him.