@@IlIDOOMGUYIlIjust note that he had a LOT of infections in that "Stubbed Toe" It severely affected how he hunted without being able to catch up with his prey, He later died probably because of Hunger and Bloodloss
Hey nice vid! things i wanna add. The hatchet bite was disprooved with studies showing it wouldnt have been very effective at killing its prefered prey. Saurophaganax is now considered a charcarodontosaurid. And i woulnt use JWE modles in educational videos unless ur comparing and contrasting since they arnt very accurate. 👍
Even if saurophaganax was a charcharodontid wouldn't it still have irregularly large arms??? I feel like saurophaganax arrived at a time in history where it was able to do what allosaurus did but better to the point it decided to hunt herbivores a whole size category bigger than itself including all the other carnivores at the time as well
@@dagoodboy6424 no ik flesh grazing isn't out of the realm of possibility, but the fact it's arms are larger than any other charcharodontid suggests it still used them in a very similar manner if need be as an allo but because of its size probably didn't but I don't see it giving up their use completely like a rex or else they'd be small
I really enjoyed this video! Seeing some comments about the axe theory. As I’m not familiar with it, it’d be nice to see another video where you addressed the criticism. Love your content and presentation!
I know in Europe Torvosaurus was definitely the apex, but in the Morrison formation in North America, It definitely had a lot of challenges for that role since Allosaurus took up a majority of the predator Role in the Morrison Formation, and then Things like Saurophaganax also moving in that Area definitely didn't help Torvosaurus In the Morrison Formation. So, being the "Apex of The Jurassic" depends more on the location during that time period.
@@majungabunga I'm not saying that it's a bad statement or entirely disagreeing with your statement. I'm just pointing out that in the Jurassic period, there was definitely not a conclusive Apex Predator.
Gotta love the Allo. I like the idea of it being the Jack of All trades. This alone gives it increased chances of its species not dying out and simply evolving into other variants. Given it seemed comfortable in different environments and ate a variety of species due to it being literally "Average" across the board. It likely increased chances of evolutionary adaptations. That being said it seems Allo should hold the spot of being the best dinosaur. Just due to be able to do pretty much anything at least for a predator.
Earlier this year I had the opportunity to stop in Price Utah and visit the Natural History Museum. The specimen of a allosaurus pelvis punctured by a stegosaurus thagomizer is there. They also had one of the original casts of the first dinosaur museum that toured the world.
I’ve heard that different species of allosaurus developed specialized hunting techniques, much like modern migrating whales do (like the Orca for instance) Allosaurus Europas was far more nimble and was best suited for hunting smaller Ornithopods like Dryosaurus, Allosaurus Jimmandensi was more equipped to take on Sauropods, and Allosaurus Fragilis was typically more opportunistic. Does this theory still hold up amongst the majority of researchers?
Thanks a lot, I always liked this amazing animal! BTW with regard to the 'hatchet bite' theory, I've read that it's pretty much discarded by now. His bite was probably stonger than we thought just by estimating the bones. Like with Deinonychus, who was thought once to have a very weak bite too, but when bite marks of his jaws were found on bones, it became cleare that he musted have had a distinctly stronger bite than every of today's land animals. Makes me just think of this: an average green or grey parrot maximally bites with roughly 1.5 metric tonnes that's 14715 N - much more than a big male wolf can muster and also much more than was given to Allosaurus, an animal that would have been off course much closer realated to the parrot. I thoroughly looked after these mesurements on several various bird-sites - they all reported the same for parrot bite strength. Not to mention the palm cockatoo (an animal the size of a raven - one could neatly hide it under their jacket) which would have an even higher bite force, like two Allosauri...😃
The hatched hypothesis , not theory because it didn't had much actual info outside one faulty study about bite force in theropods . was disproven like years before this video , so i dunno man
Also allo is kinda a apex predator it had saurophagnax and torvosaurus (which is even more powerful then sauro) were it’s enemies and possibly it’s predators
@@samuelgeorge7504 No, it isn’t … but alright. And even if it’s *not* yet 9-tons, it’s still larger going by 8-tons. The saurophaganax is still much larger.
@@funtimefoxy6136 Your thing makes no sense, it would be allosaurus: Lion ceratosaurus: hyena saurophaganax: tiger (or megalosaurus) torvosaurus: grizzly bear, because Trex, Giga, and Carchar never lived with Allo, and the Trex was also tiers above all of them besides giga which it was more or less equal to
@@funtimefoxy6136 Sure its your observation but it still makes no sense, allosaurus was only 2-3 tons, and carchar was 5-6 tons, giga being 7-9 tons and trex being 8-10 tons (virtually the same as the giga in a lot fo specimens)
not sure why we keep imposing monarchies on these creatures, and why its patriarchal, and why it keeps being applied to predators. we can just marvel at them without it being simplified and fanboyed this way which while it might seem harmless, might actually be perpetuating something a bit sinister in the end.
I love palaeontology, anthropology, astronomy and many others of the scientific disciplines… But I’ve noticed at least half of all the PhD’s in these fields, while smart in many ways, lack basic common sense for their hypotheses. In this particular case, the perfect example is this hypothesis concerning the “axe attack”. It lacks all common sense! Without doing any research, I can 100% say this is NOT how an Allosaurus attacked its prey and their are so many more sensible hypotheses that would work over such a far fetched, and frankly, ridiculous idea. Notwithstanding that two rows of teeth would work against each other for “axing” prey, there are much bigger reasons why it would not be practical… ie the lower jaw working directly against such a thing. And where is the impact evidence on the skull?? I think it was Robert Bakker who came up with this, and honestly it should tell us all that his ideas should not be taken seriously, like ever. I lost all respect for his credentials after reading about this. I see him now as a half senile quack. The powerful neck is there to compensate for its lower bite force, and it likely fed in a similar style to Komodo dragons which also have weak bite forces, but powerful neck. I am sometimes dumbfounded by the lack of common sense displayed by these ppl.
The neck on the illustrations look too thin. When compared with other reptiles today, particularly the Komodo Dragon. It looks like it couldn’t swallow what it bit off.
@@TheOverseerDebates A polish artist ? Nice ! and somewhere i seen their art but cant remember where, also could be nice if put their name in thee description, i think, dunno. Thank for the respond !
Call me crazy but in my mind the strong skull is down to stegosaurus, if an Allosaurus gets slapped in the head and lives it breeds, passing on stronger and stronger skulls where weaker skulled Allo's get clubbed to death no breeding. Same as T-rex vs Ankylosaur survive a thagomizer, breed stronger heads. only difference is Rex developed the muscle to use that skull not the 'axe attack' bullshit theory.
That could also be a theory however from what I also saw, the allo had lots of muscle in its neck, which wouldn’t help against a thagomizer, so that’s why I think it’s not just a bs theory
Ever since watching the Big Al documentary as a child, the Allo has been one of my all-time favorite dinos, and will forever be. :)
Allosaurus Jimmadseni (Big Al species) or Allosauroid in general ?
Virgin Big Al dies because he stubbed his toe
While CHAD Broken Jaw survives even his jaw is literally shattered
@@IlIDOOMGUYIlIjust note that he had a LOT of infections in that "Stubbed Toe" It severely affected how he hunted without being able to catch up with his prey, He later died probably because of Hunger and Bloodloss
@@IlIDOOMGUYIlIAlso, isn’t broken jaw fictional unlike big al which we KNOW existed?
It's somehow fascinating think that there is about as much time between Allosaurus and T-Rex as there is between T-Rex and modern humans.
Käännä
not just as much, MORE time
An interesting side fact,
Grass didn't evolve until 55 million years ago so there was no grass with non-avian dinosaurs
Bad news for Snoopdogsaurus
Hey nice vid! things i wanna add.
The hatchet bite was disprooved with studies showing it wouldnt have been very effective at killing its prefered prey.
Saurophaganax is now considered a charcarodontosaurid.
And i woulnt use JWE modles in educational videos unless ur comparing and contrasting since they arnt very accurate. 👍
Even if saurophaganax was a charcharodontid wouldn't it still have irregularly large arms??? I feel like saurophaganax arrived at a time in history where it was able to do what allosaurus did but better to the point it decided to hunt herbivores a whole size category bigger than itself including all the other carnivores at the time as well
@@johnnyhorsewhale3116 pharhaps. But large carnivores could just eat what could be bittin off prey not needing to make a kill.
@@dagoodboy6424 no ik flesh grazing isn't out of the realm of possibility, but the fact it's arms are larger than any other charcharodontid suggests it still used them in a very similar manner if need be as an allo but because of its size probably didn't but I don't see it giving up their use completely like a rex or else they'd be small
@@johnnyhorsewhale3116 thats what i thought. But i didnt classify it lol
It wus??
Allo is one of my favourites! :D
Yo mama more favorite IMHO
I really enjoyed this video! Seeing some comments about the axe theory. As I’m not familiar with it, it’d be nice to see another video where you addressed the criticism. Love your content and presentation!
"Apex of the Jurassic"
Saurophaganax & Torvosaurus: Are we a joke to you?
“ The apex predator of the jurassic! “ Torvosaurus possibly weighing 4.95-6+ tons
I know in Europe Torvosaurus was definitely the apex, but in the Morrison formation in North America, It definitely had a lot of challenges for that role since Allosaurus took up a majority of the predator Role in the Morrison Formation, and then Things like Saurophaganax also moving in that Area definitely didn't help Torvosaurus In the Morrison Formation. So, being the "Apex of The Jurassic" depends more on the location during that time period.
@@AlloArtz You know what, your right, you werent gonna expect me to agree right- because the state of the internet currently sucks
@@majungabunga I'm not saying that it's a bad statement or entirely disagreeing with your statement. I'm just pointing out that in the Jurassic period, there was definitely not a conclusive Apex Predator.
@@AlloArtz I know, I was simply saying that your probably right and Im not gonna argue about it like one would expect
@@majungabunga my bad for not understanding 🗿
Good video mate. Everyone starts somewhere, prepare for the increase of subscribers soon my boy!
Thank you!
Dinosaurs are amazing creatures! (;
I’m planning do do an analysis series on dinosaurs soon. Allosaurus is one of the first dinosaurs that I wanna talk about in the series.
That sounds interesting, allosaurus is always a classic
Gotta love the Allo.
I like the idea of it being the Jack of All trades. This alone gives it increased chances of its species not dying out and simply evolving into other variants. Given it seemed comfortable in different environments and ate a variety of species due to it being literally "Average" across the board. It likely increased chances of evolutionary adaptations.
That being said it seems Allo should hold the spot of being the best dinosaur. Just due to be able to do pretty much anything at least for a predator.
Loving your case study videos a lot of potential keep it going
More to come!
Cool stuff these case studies
these things always spawn at the top of that one mountain in ark
That they are
Earlier this year I had the opportunity to stop in Price Utah and visit the Natural History Museum.
The specimen of a allosaurus pelvis punctured by a stegosaurus thagomizer is there.
They also had one of the original casts of the first dinosaur museum that toured the world.
I’ve heard that different species of allosaurus developed specialized hunting techniques, much like modern migrating whales do (like the Orca for instance) Allosaurus Europas was far more nimble and was best suited for hunting smaller Ornithopods like Dryosaurus, Allosaurus Jimmandensi was more equipped to take on Sauropods, and Allosaurus Fragilis was typically more opportunistic. Does this theory still hold up amongst the majority of researchers?
The axe theory has been disproven for years and shouldn’t of been included
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Thanks a lot, I always liked this amazing animal! BTW with regard to the 'hatchet bite' theory, I've read that it's pretty much discarded by now. His bite was probably stonger than we thought just by estimating the bones. Like with Deinonychus, who was thought once to have a very weak bite too, but when bite marks of his jaws were found on bones, it became cleare that he musted have had a distinctly stronger bite than every of today's land animals. Makes me just think of this: an average green or grey parrot maximally bites with roughly 1.5 metric tonnes that's 14715 N - much more than a big male wolf can muster and also much more than was given to Allosaurus, an animal that would have been off course much closer realated to the parrot. I thoroughly looked after these mesurements on several various bird-sites - they all reported the same for parrot bite strength. Not to mention the palm cockatoo (an animal the size of a raven - one could neatly hide it under their jacket) which would have an even higher bite force, like two Allosauri...😃
Nah dude you need more subs tbh your very informative and factual we need more people like you
You have a lot of potential buddy, keep it up. Greetings from Brazil
Thanks, will do!
The hatched hypothesis , not theory because it didn't had much actual info outside one faulty study about bite force in theropods .
was disproven like years before this video , so i dunno man
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My man included a clip from The Isle allosaurus! Do you play the game yourself?
Yoo Ceratosaurus next
I have a question can you play the isle
Depending on how channel growth goes, I may make a secondary account for games like the Isle, PoT and jurassic world evolution. But time will tell
@@TheOverseerDebates thx
Please do Ceratosaurus
nice
Also allo is kinda a apex predator it had saurophagnax and torvosaurus (which is even more powerful then sauro) were it’s enemies and possibly it’s predators
Sauro was more powerful than torvo imo, the size difference.
@@Nethercroc14 yet the mass can’t be confirmed
No. As of now, the highest mass estimates for saurophaganax reach even 9-tons. It is *way* heavier than the torvosaurus, and so it is more powerful.
@@Saurian25 No lol that’s only based on a mostly unreliable specimen lol
@@samuelgeorge7504 No, it isn’t … but alright. And even if it’s *not* yet 9-tons, it’s still larger going by 8-tons. The saurophaganax is still much larger.
"You would expect it to be slow!"
Cue ptsd flashbacks to carnivores 2 on PC.
Tiger: Charcarondontosaurus
Lion: Allosaurus
Jaguar: T-Rex
Leopard: Giganotosaurus
@@Extr3mis_ No what?
@@funtimefoxy6136 Your thing makes no sense, it would be allosaurus: Lion ceratosaurus: hyena saurophaganax: tiger (or megalosaurus) torvosaurus: grizzly bear, because Trex, Giga, and Carchar never lived with Allo, and the Trex was also tiers above all of them besides giga which it was more or less equal to
@@majungabunga My observation
@@funtimefoxy6136 Sure its your observation but it still makes no sense, allosaurus was only 2-3 tons, and carchar was 5-6 tons, giga being 7-9 tons and trex being 8-10 tons (virtually the same as the giga in a lot fo specimens)
@@majungabunga But T-Rex had the biggest bite force, and the Jaguar has the biggest bite force of all felines
Allosaurus my favorite dinosaur btw
One of the best
Day one asking for the strongest cat video
Possibly 👀
What a video about my favorite dinosaur? I'm all in baby
ceratosaurus gigachad, unbeatable gladiator
My favorite dinosaur used to be Allosaurus Maximus
And..... now I don't know if I have to say Allo is my favorite or Saurophaganax is
It's been 10 years since the axe theory and can't believe people still consider that as a posible theory
allosaurus most likely didnt use a hatchet bite see ruclips.net/video/j6E-mGjgk8g/видео.html from 16:14 to 19:16
10:22 The who💀?
I’m pretty sure allo is like 3.4 tons I think ?? sauro is 5.3 tons but possibly 6.6 tons but I doubt it then torvo is about 5.5 tons
not sure why we keep imposing monarchies on these creatures, and why its patriarchal, and why it keeps being applied to predators. we can just marvel at them without it being simplified and fanboyed this way which while it might seem harmless, might actually be perpetuating something a bit sinister in the end.
I love palaeontology, anthropology, astronomy and many others of the scientific disciplines… But I’ve noticed at least half of all the PhD’s in these fields, while smart in many ways, lack basic common sense for their hypotheses.
In this particular case, the perfect example is this hypothesis concerning the “axe attack”. It lacks all common sense! Without doing any research, I can 100% say this is NOT how an Allosaurus attacked its prey and their are so many more sensible hypotheses that would work over such a far fetched, and frankly, ridiculous idea.
Notwithstanding that two rows of teeth would work against each other for “axing” prey, there are much bigger reasons why it would not be practical… ie the lower jaw working directly against such a thing. And where is the impact evidence on the skull??
I think it was Robert Bakker who came up with this, and honestly it should tell us all that his ideas should not be taken seriously, like ever. I lost all respect for his credentials after reading about this. I see him now as a half senile quack.
The powerful neck is there to compensate for its lower bite force, and it likely fed in a similar style to Komodo dragons which also have weak bite forces, but powerful neck.
I am sometimes dumbfounded by the lack of common sense displayed by these ppl.
The neck on the illustrations look too thin. When compared with other reptiles today, particularly the Komodo Dragon. It looks like it couldn’t swallow what it bit off.
It didn’t rule the Jurassic that was saurophagamax
Whos art is it on the thumbnail ?
I’m pretty sure the artist is Aleksandra Mężyk
@@TheOverseerDebates A polish artist ? Nice ! and somewhere i seen their art but cant remember where, also could be nice if put their name in thee description, i think, dunno. Thank for the respond !
Saurofaganax was king
Nice pronounce
The true king is my name
Allosaurus 🔛🔝
Hatchet bite is outdated and disprooved
Not you giving some false/out dated information, like the “hatchet bite” like cmon, that’s been disproven!
But he had anyway a wide Mouth's Opening?
@@simonecappiello3937 so? Doesn’t mean hatchet bite is accurate.
@@CYN_FAN12 But, I do not say that, I asked if he had anyway a wide Opening-Mouth.
lion Jurassic, tovorsaurus
Torvosaurus= Grizzly Bear
Can you make a Case Study about yutyrannus ?
I’ll note yutyrannus down
Call me crazy but in my mind the strong skull is down to stegosaurus, if an Allosaurus gets slapped in the head and lives it breeds, passing on stronger and stronger skulls where weaker skulled Allo's get clubbed to death no breeding. Same as T-rex vs Ankylosaur survive a thagomizer, breed stronger heads. only difference is Rex developed the muscle to use that skull not the 'axe attack' bullshit theory.
That could also be a theory however from what I also saw, the allo had lots of muscle in its neck, which wouldn’t help against a thagomizer, so that’s why I think it’s not just a bs theory
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Cmon Bro, don't endorce the hatchet theory... That shit is utterly rediculous