When I woke up this morning from unsettling dreams, I found myself compelled to watch a video about a 1965 GTO. My attention, drawn to the minutiae of rusted fenders and beer cans strewn about, reminded me of my own struggles with transformation and decay. The narrator's obsession with the authenticity of his car-a relic of past grandeur-mirrored the surreal disintegration of my own existence. He spoke of registration documents and color codes with a fervor that seemed almost Kafkaesque. The GTO's identity was questioned, just as mine had been, in a world where the past and present collide with cruel indifference. The car, like myself, was subjected to the scrutiny of others, its true nature concealed beneath layers of time and neglect. The trunk, filled with remnants of another life, opened like a portal to forgotten memories, much like my own mind, filled with fragments of what once was. The excitement over a found emblem, the dismay at mismatched parts, all felt like a reflection of my own futile attempts to piece together the shattered remnants of normalcy. As he continued, I couldn't help but feel a kinship with the vehicle-a symbol of lost glory, now reduced to a curiosity. The pursuit of authenticity, the hope for a genuine connection to the past, was a journey fraught with uncertainty and doubt. Yet, in the midst of this, there was a strange sense of purpose, a glimmer of hope that perhaps, amidst the rust and ruin, something real could be salvaged. In the end, the true value lay not in the car's pedigree but in the journey itself-the painstaking search, the fleeting victories, and the moments of introspection. And so, I watched, mesmerized by the unfolding narrative, feeling a deep, unspoken bond with the GTO, both of us navigating a world that seemed increasingly alien and unforgiving. --Gregor
Only car guys will understand your letter...well done my friend. I too had that journey with my 68 GTO, mine turn out to be real. I think in 64 & 65 GTO was an option on a Tempest, and wasn't a Model. I think 66 GTO became a Model and the build tag started with 24 for GTO and 23 for Lemans
Yes,Your Writing of this iconic rare GTO brings back memories of good books we read in school 1975-1987! I feel your kinship as well.We remember our Buicks and Pontiacs well ! They are really a part of us!The only thing I like about Biden is his Forest Green ,Good wood green 1967 Corvette 327, 4-speed, Nice car nice color….
May be a long shot in that condition, but I found the factory build sheet for my ‘64 GTO between the springs and cushion of the back seat. It will show it having the GTO option. Good find.
Most GMs of that era had the assembly line floor build sheets stuffed between the springs and foam of the rear seats... Some Dodges did as well back then..
$30k won't go far with that one. Try to salvage some parts and the vin tag if it's a GTO and find a donor body. I'd expect frame rot too with as bad as that body is.
I had that very same key ring for my 65 GTO, the very same Hurst shifter knob (on a Hurst shifter), and to top it off ... wore that very same shirt while wrenching on my 65 ... back in the late 70s! Wow, what a time warp! lol I'm thinking this is a legit goat. I know it's rough but it's sacrilege to use that classic as a recycling bin! My very first car was a '66 GTO around 1977 - drivable but it was a pile. I blew the motor within a month ... took 6 months to save enough money to rebuild the 389. (balance, blueprinted, cam, headers, etc) Got it going again and while I didn't really know what I was doing, started in on body work and had the bumpers off ... when it was stolen. Got it back and all they took were the rally Camaro wheels and tires. Worst part was they just dumped it on the ground and completely trashed the fenders. Too much for me to tackle but luckily, I worked with a lady who's husband had a 65 GTO in decent shape (although far from perfect), with no motor or trans he was wanting to sell. I didn't really care for body style of the 66 (too much of a boat, IMO), so I bought the 65 body and transferred the drivetrain and many interior pieces. Still needed a lot of work but it was worth it - LOVED that car! Had it painted a dark metallic blue, American Racing 5 spokes, BFG TAs. I could kick myself for selling it! Subscribed to see the transformation!
The front fenders are 65 only 66 & 67 the headlights are straight up and down, and yes they were available with a power glide auto a 3 & 4 speed manual. Great find👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
When you calculate what it's going to cost to restore you can find 1 already done and save lots of money and time. That's my experience when I did one, good luck
I though the same. I didn't want to be rude, but I would like to know what he paid for it. I had a 65, it was only a 326 Lemans though, with a color matched hood, and G.t.o emblems. Still had a good sound, and I loved that car. Seen it a few years after I had sold it, and I almost broked down and cried. What a shame. Anyway in 2024 for a nice legit 65 G.T.O. your lookin at spending around 60k. So I hope he got a good deal.
The 1965 GTO , is, in my opinion up there with the nicest body designs of the classic era , actually, for me, it wouldn't have to be a GTO, a Tempest or Le Mans would be fine.
thank you ! oh i know , I have had my share of 70's cars :). I was referring too having two sets of keys now and wondering if both square ignition keys would work....the other truck key on the 1st set of keys would not .... Decklid looks have been swapped as it does not have the org color Font. blue poly .
My favorite year of goat LOVE IT 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Patch it up .. throw some paint and new rubber .. do a low budget overhaul on the drivetrain...dye and refurb the interior...a few grand and elbow grease you got a sweet driver!! Awesome find.
I just went through the identical “(car) archeology” on a recently acquired 1955 Chevy Nomad project. Even though the floors, rockers and tailpan had obviously been replaced, I was sure all the exterior sheetmetal was original as I found traces of orange paint everywhere from front to back. That changed when I pulled off the front clip and saw the badly bent/poorly straightened front frame horns. Whenever that front end damage occurred it happened so long ago that the car still has an all GM front clip and the paint is so old it has honest patina. The motor/transmission were long gone but the old rusty traction bars in the back confirm it was somebody’s hot rod at one time. Keep us posted on what you find out about this car.
👍👌👏 Light blue is definitely a great colour for this car. Way too many are red or reddish. Looks like it needs a ton of work and money to get this awesome vehicle back to original. But because it's on your bucket list, it might be worth the effort.
Way to go, GTO! I hope it will scratch your itch for those 3 magical letters. If nothing else these videos should boost your profile. Best of luck and keep us posted.
My '66 Monza came with a VIN tag that did not match the car's spec. I knew this before buying it and got a substantial discount off the price (it was an estate sale). Turns out the previous owner built the car to his exact preference using parts from several different cars. He did a nice job, so I am ok with what the car is and the fact I could actually afford it. Enjoy your GTO no matter what it is...
'To be or not to be that is the question?' It is looking more promising Jason. Great neighbour BTW. So nice to have good neighbours. Looking forward to the next episode Jason. 👍👍
I had that VH shirt in junior high school, in the early '80's.🎸 And, as you know, your mom is right, if you are not looking for an adventure, which you clearly are. Love the car, who cares if it's "real" or not.
That thing has been messed with a lot through the years, but I wouldn't get too hung up on it. It's rough, and perfect to do your own thing with. If it had OG vins and stuff you would be stuck to restoration, etc. Probably a stolen GTO, with tons of mods.
In 1988 I was 16, a cousin and I crashed my 1965 GTO 4 speed, insurance totaled it, but it was rebuildable, but it was only a 23 year old car, not a huge deal at that time. Anyway, we took of every single piece off that we could and have it still considered to be a car to the insurance, when it went to the wrecking yard it had no windows, no interior except driver seat from another old Ponty, the locked up engine from the same old Ponty, and all the trim and glass and chrome removed. We put all that stuff under the house, in the back corner of the crawl space and then it got forgotten about when my family moved out of that house in 1998... It is probably all still down there. I wonder what the etiquette is to go and ask someone if you can go into the back corner of their crawl space and pillage.
Back in the eighties a friend bought a '65 LeMans that was a six cylinder and two speed automatic,both were trashed so he swapped in a 350/300 horse Chevy and it was a running fool,after he sold it a subsequent owner made a GTO clone out of it.
Well, for ONCE RUclips notifications worked in a timely manner. I hope this is a true GTO, even if it doesn't look its' best right now. Hopefully you can get it running, and the Register will be positive.
I really enjoyed your video, the boy ask the most important question is it a real gto 😂😂😂what a smart kid he had me laughing 😃 I really like seeing someone give these old cars the time and attention they need, thanks for sharing your video and good luck with all your builds
The VIN tag should have "Rosette" or "Star" rivots if it wasn't switched. The build sheet is sometimes stuffed in the springs of the back seat. Good luck and your boy deserves a GTO 4speed and maybe tri power car.
EVERYONE HIT THE LIKE BUTTON!!!! That’s a good neighbor lol Damn found the keys!!! And they worked!!! Josh did!!!! Is a real GTO? 😂😂 Oh man the registration!!! Three hole tags on the quarters 👍 Like the shirt!!
I could be mistaken but I think the "P" in the Serial number just designated that it was a Pontiac Motor Division car, not where it was built. If that car was always in the Connecticut area, it was most likely built in Framingham Mass. Could be a Baltimore car also. The cowl tag is supposed to have the plant abbreviation on it. *I realize your tag looks like it may not be original*
The Vin number's tells the whole story. I think it's the real thing and 65 was my favorite year of the GTO although I didn't like 3 deuces vs one 4barrel carb which I think was better than 3 deuces
Used to work at Fisher Body/ Chevrolet plant in Baltimore from 1966 to 1968 (yes just tuned 80 years old). They assembled A body Chev./ Pontiac/Buick/Olds. First 3 digits on GTO serial should be 242. Lemans 237 or 238 and Tempest 232. Hope this helps.
If that hood is original to car then It's most likely a GTO. I myself, aren't too fussy about original because the only reason we have muscle cars is because of mechanics who came back from WW2 started Souping up cars in their backyards and the manufacturers wanted to get in on the action. I have respect for someone who makes a replica that you have to check the vin to see if it's legit. My neighbor bought a 65 gto brand new and in 3 months had it stolen 3 times. 3rd time never got it back. Possibly there was a tempest that was wrecked and they took fenders and vin and put on a stolen GTO . Either way when finished, that car will be HOT 😁 Oh yeah, everyone who I new who had a 65 GTO had it stolen or bought a 65 GTO that was unclaimed stolen car.
I really enjoy the leaf blower cleaning the interior. Something about it. At 13:45 I was hoping a bunch of empty beer cans would fly out ... Maybe next time.
Jay, this sure is an interesting car. You've identified some potential red flags as to whether it's a genuine GOAT or fake (and God knows there is a LOT of them out there, along with bogus Shelby Mustangs, bogus 1970 Chevelle SS 454s, etc.). BUT - something that I didn't see you check out in this car that you wouldn't usually do with a VW - where's the build sheet? The build sheet (actually, the factory order for a specific car) was usually (not always) stuffed somewhere in the car by workers on the GM assembly lines. I've found them usually under the back seat, sometimes adhering to the floor (I found my '71 Monte Carlo's build sheet here), sometimes on the upper back support frame, and possibly up in the seat springs of either seat. Another location where I've found them is stuck up on top of the gas tank under the trunk floor, and I've even heard of them being stuffed inside the rear seat's side panels. Now, considering the age of the car, where it was setting for so long, climate, the mice problem, etc., the chances of you finding the car's build sheet (or what's left of it) are poor. But - it's definitely worth the effort to look, and IF you find it and it's still legible, it's gold in your hands. It will tell you what this car was as built from the factory, tell you if you have the original engine (the engine block stamping will partially match the VIN), and so on. The Pontiac Registry that you've contacted will have a wealth of info on identifying what you have. Good luck!!!!
The light blue you're thinking of is likely code "D" Fontaine Blue. Burgundy Red was code "N". Yes, you're going to need the PHS. It will tell you if that VIN # was ordered with the GTO package. With that said, I believe it may also have the Fisher Body sequence number which would be on the cowl tag. If nothing else matches up against that VIN with the cowl tag, then yes, it was likely switched. I would have liked to have seen the cowl tag and VIN (less the last six digits) to go through it.
yes, that is the color I believe to be the org to this car. Yes, the bady tag has N-2 . Which as you stated is burgundy and is the 2 for the black vinyl top ? It is a Pontiac MI car with the P on both vin and tag...however it does not have the 5N known for the GTO option out of the MI plant. Next vid I will show the PHS report and go over the lemans / GTO parts on the car and throw my best theory at it. Thank you for the comment and information
@@5150mxVW If it's got the 5N, it's a sure bet it's a GTO, but the lack of the 5N doesn't mean it's not. The PHS is the deciding factor. Yes, the 2 is for a black vinyl top. N-2 is read as "Burgundy Red lower exterior paint and 2 for Black vinyl top (upper part of the car)". If it was all Burgundy Red without a vinyl top, it would be N-N. At the same time you do the PHS report (which has to be decoded), show the VIN and cowl tag.
Those 65’ and 67’s are just the most aesthetically appealing years for the GTO. They were that mid-sixties GM perfection, square and smooth angles, great proportions, and that stacked headlight class. 1966 just looks wrong in the back.
Even if it's a Lemans it is worth quite a lot. They make nearly every sheet metal part. So it can be restored. Look for the build sheet or the protector plate. Does it say 5N on the bottom of the firewall tag.
Definitely interested to find out the particulars on this car in the next video. There seems to be some tomfoolery with the #s. Seems like most of this car is a legitimate GTO for the most part. I wonder if the fender and cowl rusted out on the original and it was just cheaper to get parts off a lemans. Because of it was accident, the hood would have got toasted as well. Good luck with this!
I wonder if someone was restoring a better condition Lemans and they were taking the tags off this car to put on the Lemans, and turning this GTO into a Lemans parts car?
I hope if its a Goat you'll do it justice and fix it the right way. Or do what Mom said and buy one that's fixed and ready and trade that one to someone who can do her right. It's a ton of work and a half ton of money
Great to hear , thank you . I just learned about the 6 and 10 ribs and tail lights for 65 Gto / lemans in the comments . Thank you for sharing your Knowledge
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When I woke up this morning from unsettling dreams, I found myself compelled to watch a video about a 1965 GTO. My attention, drawn to the minutiae of rusted fenders and beer cans strewn about, reminded me of my own struggles with transformation and decay. The narrator's obsession with the authenticity of his car-a relic of past grandeur-mirrored the surreal disintegration of my own existence.
He spoke of registration documents and color codes with a fervor that seemed almost Kafkaesque. The GTO's identity was questioned, just as mine had been, in a world where the past and present collide with cruel indifference. The car, like myself, was subjected to the scrutiny of others, its true nature concealed beneath layers of time and neglect.
The trunk, filled with remnants of another life, opened like a portal to forgotten memories, much like my own mind, filled with fragments of what once was. The excitement over a found emblem, the dismay at mismatched parts, all felt like a reflection of my own futile attempts to piece together the shattered remnants of normalcy.
As he continued, I couldn't help but feel a kinship with the vehicle-a symbol of lost glory, now reduced to a curiosity. The pursuit of authenticity, the hope for a genuine connection to the past, was a journey fraught with uncertainty and doubt. Yet, in the midst of this, there was a strange sense of purpose, a glimmer of hope that perhaps, amidst the rust and ruin, something real could be salvaged.
In the end, the true value lay not in the car's pedigree but in the journey itself-the painstaking search, the fleeting victories, and the moments of introspection. And so, I watched, mesmerized by the unfolding narrative, feeling a deep, unspoken bond with the GTO, both of us navigating a world that seemed increasingly alien and unforgiving.
--Gregor
Only car guys will understand your letter...well done my friend. I too had that journey with my 68 GTO, mine turn out to be real. I think in 64 & 65 GTO was an option on a Tempest, and wasn't a Model. I think 66 GTO became a Model and the build tag started with 24 for GTO and 23 for Lemans
Beautifully written 👏 ❤️
Didn’t feel like reading a book 📚 today , sheesh 🙄 see a therapist!
Yes,Your Writing of this iconic rare GTO brings back memories of good books we read in school 1975-1987! I feel your kinship as well.We remember our Buicks and Pontiacs well ! They are really a part of us!The only thing I like about Biden is his Forest Green ,Good wood green 1967 Corvette 327, 4-speed, Nice car nice color….
This is no where near a longshot
May be a long shot in that condition, but I found the factory build sheet for my ‘64 GTO between the springs and cushion of the back seat. It will show it having the GTO option. Good find.
Most GMs of that era had the assembly line floor build sheets stuffed between the springs and foam of the rear seats... Some Dodges did as well back then..
@@Wil_Liam1 some were under carpet and as well on top of gas tank ,, no set rule !!!
Love GTO"s and a 65 to boot!!! What a find!
The 65 GTO was a LeMans. It came with the GTO option. 66 was the first year of the factory made GTO.
I HAD A 66 and a 67.
You find so many great cars. I look forward to seeing one restored.
Your Mom is a Smart Woman. Thirty grand later that Carcass might resemble a GTO. Best of Luck.
$30k won't go far with that one. Try to salvage some parts and the vin tag if it's a GTO and find a donor body. I'd expect frame rot too with as bad as that body is.
I had that very same key ring for my 65 GTO, the very same Hurst shifter knob (on a Hurst shifter), and to top it off ... wore that very same shirt while wrenching on my 65 ... back in the late 70s! Wow, what a time warp! lol I'm thinking this is a legit goat. I know it's rough but it's sacrilege to use that classic as a recycling bin!
My very first car was a '66 GTO around 1977 - drivable but it was a pile. I blew the motor within a month ... took 6 months to save enough money to rebuild the 389. (balance, blueprinted, cam, headers, etc) Got it going again and while I didn't really know what I was doing, started in on body work and had the bumpers off ... when it was stolen. Got it back and all they took were the rally Camaro wheels and tires. Worst part was they just dumped it on the ground and completely trashed the fenders. Too much for me to tackle but luckily, I worked with a lady who's husband had a 65 GTO in decent shape (although far from perfect), with no motor or trans he was wanting to sell. I didn't really care for body style of the 66 (too much of a boat, IMO), so I bought the 65 body and transferred the drivetrain and many interior pieces. Still needed a lot of work but it was worth it - LOVED that car! Had it painted a dark metallic blue, American Racing 5 spokes, BFG TAs. I could kick myself for selling it! Subscribed to see the transformation!
The front fenders are 65 only 66 & 67 the headlights are straight up and down, and yes they were available with a power glide auto a 3 & 4 speed manual. Great find👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
The Pontiac 2 speed automatic was not a Powerglide. It was a turbine 300, much like a turbine 4oo less a gear.
Super turbine 300 not a powerglide
The 66/67 headlights are stacked. Thanks
When you calculate what it's going to cost to restore you can find 1 already done and save lots of money and time. That's my experience when I did one, good luck
I though the same. I didn't want to be rude, but I would like to know what he paid for it. I had a 65, it was only a 326 Lemans though, with a color matched hood, and G.t.o emblems. Still had a good sound, and I loved that car. Seen it a few years after I had sold it, and I almost broked down and cried. What a shame. Anyway in 2024 for a nice legit 65 G.T.O. your lookin at spending around 60k. So I hope he got a good deal.
Good luck with that lol...
The 1965 GTO , is, in my opinion up there with the nicest body designs of the classic era , actually, for me, it wouldn't have to be a GTO, a Tempest or Le Mans would be fine.
Your definitely the cool guy in the neighborhood! Can't beat a 65!!😊
Love your show Jay! Back in the old days the doors and trucnk were one key and the ignition was another.
thank you ! oh i know , I have had my share of 70's cars :). I was referring too having two sets of keys now and wondering if both square ignition keys would work....the other truck key on the 1st set of keys would not .... Decklid looks have been swapped as it does not have the org color Font. blue poly .
Buying a nice or mint one takes all the fun out of rebuilding one,your way.❤💯🏁💰
Yep!
My favorite year of goat
LOVE IT 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Patch it up .. throw some paint and new rubber .. do a low budget overhaul on the drivetrain...dye and refurb the interior...a few grand and elbow grease you got a sweet driver!! Awesome find.
Such a great car, congrats! Frankly I like the 64/65 design better than the 66/67 design that followed. Looks "tougher" to me.
I just went through the identical “(car) archeology” on a recently acquired 1955 Chevy Nomad project. Even though the floors, rockers and tailpan had obviously been replaced, I was sure all the exterior sheetmetal was original as I found traces of orange paint everywhere from front to back. That changed when I pulled off the front clip and saw the badly bent/poorly straightened front frame horns. Whenever that front end damage occurred it happened so long ago that the car still has an all GM front clip and the paint is so old it has honest patina. The motor/transmission were long gone but the old rusty traction bars in the back confirm it was somebody’s hot rod at one time. Keep us posted on what you find out about this car.
Looking forward to see cleaning this car cleaned up and becoming a driver. Always good to see Josh in the videos.
Thank you Darren , me too ! More soon
Great content and glad you are back.
Thank you Jeff , much appreciated
That is big with the quarter being correct for GTO with the emblems. I think that the core body is a real GTO.
Glad you cut the scene of lifting Jimmy Hoffa's remains out of the trunk ! 🤭👍
👍👌👏 Light blue is definitely a great colour for this car. Way too many are red or reddish. Looks like it needs a ton of work and money to get this awesome vehicle back to original. But because it's on your bucket list, it might be worth the effort.
Way to go, GTO! I hope it will scratch your itch for those 3 magical letters. If nothing else these videos should boost your profile. Best of luck and keep us posted.
Van Halen and Pontiacs. Two of my favorite die hard things of all time.
My '66 Monza came with a VIN tag that did not match the car's spec. I knew this before buying it and got a substantial discount off the price (it was an estate sale). Turns out the previous owner built the car to his exact preference using parts from several different cars. He did a nice job, so I am ok with what the car is and the fact I could actually afford it. Enjoy your GTO no matter what it is...
Good neighbours become good friends 😀
'To be or not to be that is the question?' It is looking more promising Jason. Great neighbour BTW. So nice to have good neighbours. Looking forward to the next episode Jason. 👍👍
My Buddy and I used to steal his dads GTO and do BURN OUTS.....Full White smoke......Oh yea and he didnt even have his license yet. Back in the day.
Good times ! Great days !
Yeah.... You're dad was a real car guy👍
I had that VH shirt in junior high school, in the early '80's.🎸 And, as you know, your mom is right, if you are not looking for an adventure, which you clearly are. Love the car, who cares if it's "real" or not.
3 speed standard equipment. 188$ 4 speed option. My 3 speed had same console as 4 speed. My 3 speed kicked butt!
It's a shame people leave vehicles outside to rot. I hope you can restore this awesome classic. Cheers from Utah
This is a great project, Jason! Thanks for always providing us with interesting content and Welcome Back! This was well worth the wait.👍
Hope it is!! Lot of metal work to do but what a cool car to have!
That thing has been messed with a lot through the years, but I wouldn't get too hung up on it. It's rough, and perfect to do your own thing with. If it had OG vins and stuff you would be stuck to restoration, etc. Probably a stolen GTO, with tons of mods.
In 1988 I was 16, a cousin and I crashed my 1965 GTO 4 speed, insurance totaled it, but it was rebuildable, but it was only a 23 year old car, not a huge deal at that time. Anyway, we took of every single piece off that we could and have it still considered to be a car to the insurance, when it went to the wrecking yard it had no windows, no interior except driver seat from another old Ponty, the locked up engine from the same old Ponty, and all the trim and glass and chrome removed. We put all that stuff under the house, in the back corner of the crawl space and then it got forgotten about when my family moved out of that house in 1998... It is probably all still down there. I wonder what the etiquette is to go and ask someone if you can go into the back corner of their crawl space and pillage.
Back in the eighties a friend bought a '65 LeMans that was a six cylinder and two speed automatic,both were trashed so he swapped in a 350/300 horse Chevy and it was a running fool,after he sold it a subsequent owner made a GTO clone out of it.
I’ve had gm a bodies almost all my life since I was 16. Im gonna say it’s a real goat
My 67 had a "His and Hers" 3 speed Hurst Shifter, it had air and the radio had "Reverb"!
Either way it's a classic 60's car that will look fantastic when done.
Great video keep them coming on this GTO your doing a great job!
I always liked those louvered air cleaner assemblies!
I hope your GTO get fully restored. It's going to be tough with all the new arrivals. Have fun man!
Good use of the leaf blower to clean the interior , smart thinking maybe you should listen to your mom , no way.
Well, for ONCE RUclips notifications worked in a timely manner. I hope this is a true GTO, even if it doesn't look its' best right now. Hopefully you can get it running, and the Register will be positive.
I'm quite convinced you've got the real deal 🙏. Prepare to spend an indecent amount of money restoring it...😂😂😂
That is awsome either way! metal gold!! I really want to see you build this one!!
What! No Schlitz cans? Glad you now have your Dream ( nightmare ) car!
Good looking GTO… lots of TLC and it will come alive.
Thank you Mark
Kid is all over the provenance issue. Tough crowd.
I really enjoyed your video, the boy ask the most important question is it a real gto 😂😂😂what a smart kid he had me laughing 😃 I really like seeing someone give these old cars the time and attention they need, thanks for sharing your video and good luck with all your builds
Thank you Terry , much appreciated:)
Nice little find, Be a decent save, They were a fun car for sure.
I had a 1971 judge Luceren blue. Stickers under the gas tank built in Framingham Massachusetts. I had a lot of fun with that car. They only built 271
I am following the progress. Keep it up please.
PHS reveal in next vid and my theory on what happened to this car prior to 1994
Thank you for following !
The VIN tag should have "Rosette" or "Star" rivots if it wasn't switched. The build sheet is sometimes stuffed in the springs of the back seat. Good luck and your boy deserves a GTO 4speed and maybe tri power car.
Definitely does not have the factory rivets . I’ll check for the build sheet . Yes he does , after me lol
The diagonal lines on the seats were an option, usually they are straight up and down
I did not know that , thank you David
Interesting. It is solid compared to other things we have seen.
Excellent video Jason :) also hope hear all information more on 1965 Pontiac GTO too and nice car for sure !
Thank you Andrew , PHS is in hand , more soon .
I hope that it's a real GTO. If it isn't, a Lemans would be cheaper to insure, and it still looks like a GTO.
Hagerty is very reasonable for classic INS
Since 65 is a LeMans, w/GTO option, it was cheap on insurance. I know I drove one in high school in 75,still have it too.
awesome video jason
thing about budweiser is, you can put those full cans in the fridge and they will taste the same as if you just bought a sixer at the beverage mart.
one can also drink Shaffer and if it's cold enough you don't notice it's crap beer!
EVERYONE HIT THE LIKE BUTTON!!!!
That’s a good neighbor lol
Damn found the keys!!! And they worked!!!
Josh did!!!! Is a real GTO? 😂😂
Oh man the registration!!!
Three hole tags on the quarters 👍
Like the shirt!!
I could be mistaken but I think the "P" in the Serial number just designated that it was a Pontiac Motor Division car, not where it was built. If that car was always in the Connecticut area, it was most likely built in Framingham Mass. Could be a Baltimore car also. The cowl tag is supposed to have the plant abbreviation on it. *I realize your tag looks like it may not be original*
The Vin number's tells the whole story. I think it's the real thing and 65 was my favorite year of the GTO although I didn't like 3 deuces vs one 4barrel carb which I think was better than 3 deuces
Poor some juice in the carb! 😎 Now you got me looking at Pontiacs! =)
Good luck with the search , I expect an up date soon 😆
The skull door locks 🤣, I hate when people put stupid crap on cool cars.
I sure miss the Cameo Ivory '65 GTO I had. Sold it back in the '70s.
Used to work at Fisher Body/ Chevrolet plant in Baltimore from 1966 to 1968 (yes just tuned 80 years old). They assembled A body Chev./ Pontiac/Buick/Olds.
First 3 digits on GTO serial should be 242. Lemans 237 or 238 and Tempest 232. Hope this helps.
64 and 65 GTO’s were an option , they started the stand alone 242 vin in 1966
Good to know. Also, a lot of clone Chevelle SS396 out there. Mid 60's 1st 3 numbers 138, Malibu 136 base model 132.
If that hood is original to car then It's most likely a GTO. I myself, aren't too fussy about original because the only reason we have muscle cars is because of mechanics who came back from WW2 started Souping up cars in their backyards and the manufacturers wanted to get in on the action. I have respect for someone who makes a replica that you have to check the vin to see if it's legit. My neighbor bought a 65 gto brand new and in 3 months had it stolen 3 times. 3rd time never got it back. Possibly there was a tempest that was wrecked and they took fenders and vin and put on a stolen GTO . Either way when finished, that car will be HOT 😁
Oh yeah, everyone who I new who had a 65 GTO had it stolen or bought a 65 GTO that was unclaimed stolen car.
Congrats on the purchase! This is going to be a nice restoration!
Naw not a bad deal ANYTIME you can buy a poncho NEVER A BAD DEAL hope shes a GOAT for you either way still a WIN WIN
Hi Jason I think it's a genuine GTO and you will have it running soon good find best regards Andy Allen.
Subbed just because you're saving the lightest and best year of the GOAT!
Thank you , is it lighter than the 64 ?
Good video, those mice had quite a party! Good luck with the project.
That left front fender is from a Lemans. They had decorative brightwork vents in the location of all those holes.
correct👍
Good luck with your maybe GTO. It's a little rougher than what I first thought from the first video.
Thank you , yeah but the goal is to get going down the road . It’s way more solid than the VW’s I’ve welded on lol
I bought 1970 got with 455cid 4 speed in 1970. Also had a 1968 got with 400 automatic. Wish I still had them now.
nice job.
The first time it fires up and you can drive it down the road it will all be worth it no matter what it looks like.
Well said
I really enjoy the leaf blower cleaning the interior. Something about it. At 13:45 I was hoping a bunch of empty beer cans would fly out ... Maybe next time.
I think you have a winner !
Thank you Randy
Jay, this sure is an interesting car. You've identified some potential red flags as to whether it's a genuine GOAT or fake (and God knows there is a LOT of them out there, along with bogus Shelby Mustangs, bogus 1970 Chevelle SS 454s, etc.). BUT - something that I didn't see you check out in this car that you wouldn't usually do with a VW - where's the build sheet? The build sheet (actually, the factory order for a specific car) was usually (not always) stuffed somewhere in the car by workers on the GM assembly lines. I've found them usually under the back seat, sometimes adhering to the floor (I found my '71 Monte Carlo's build sheet here), sometimes on the upper back support frame, and possibly up in the seat springs of either seat. Another location where I've found them is stuck up on top of the gas tank under the trunk floor, and I've even heard of them being stuffed inside the rear seat's side panels. Now, considering the age of the car, where it was setting for so long, climate, the mice problem, etc., the chances of you finding the car's build sheet (or what's left of it) are poor. But - it's definitely worth the effort to look, and IF you find it and it's still legible, it's gold in your hands. It will tell you what this car was as built from the factory, tell you if you have the original engine (the engine block stamping will partially match the VIN), and so on. The Pontiac Registry that you've contacted will have a wealth of info on identifying what you have. Good luck!!!!
Check the frame ahead of the rear passenger tire ( with a hammer) they used to break there and pull the ebrake cable at the same time 😅
Whether it's a GTO or not, who cares. It's a beautiful car that almost nobody has anymore. But you got one.
Agreed , just effects purchase price :)
Goat or LeMans...good find! Nice project!
Thank you Tony
The light blue you're thinking of is likely code "D" Fontaine Blue. Burgundy Red was code "N". Yes, you're going to need the PHS. It will tell you if that VIN # was ordered with the GTO package. With that said, I believe it may also have the Fisher Body sequence number which would be on the cowl tag. If nothing else matches up against that VIN with the cowl tag, then yes, it was likely switched.
I would have liked to have seen the cowl tag and VIN (less the last six digits) to go through it.
yes, that is the color I believe to be the org to this car. Yes, the bady tag has N-2 . Which as you stated is burgundy and is the 2 for the black vinyl top ? It is a Pontiac MI car with the P on both vin and tag...however it does not have the 5N known for the GTO option out of the MI plant. Next vid I will show the PHS report and go over the lemans / GTO parts on the car and throw my best theory at it. Thank you for the comment and information
@@5150mxVW If it's got the 5N, it's a sure bet it's a GTO, but the lack of the 5N doesn't mean it's not. The PHS is the deciding factor. Yes, the 2 is for a black vinyl top. N-2 is read as "Burgundy Red lower exterior paint and 2 for Black vinyl top (upper part of the car)". If it was all Burgundy Red without a vinyl top, it would be N-N.
At the same time you do the PHS report (which has to be decoded), show the VIN and cowl tag.
I have the PHS report ....this will be fun is all i can say haha :)
Those 65’ and 67’s are just the most aesthetically appealing years for the GTO. They were that mid-sixties GM perfection, square and smooth angles, great proportions, and that stacked headlight class. 1966 just looks wrong in the back.
It’s not a bad deal if you have the time, money and desire to work on it not to mention if it brings you pleasure.
Even if it's a Lemans it is worth quite a lot. They make nearly every sheet metal part. So it can be restored. Look for the build sheet or the protector plate. Does it say 5N on the bottom of the firewall tag.
Does not have the 5N , next vid will have the PHS report and many answers
Hell yeah Dude!! I like this Car!! Nice VH shirt!!!
Quite the job to tackle. Best of luck!
Definitely interested to find out the particulars on this car in the next video. There seems to be some tomfoolery with the #s. Seems like most of this car is a legitimate GTO for the most part. I wonder if the fender and cowl rusted out on the original and it was just cheaper to get parts off a lemans. Because of it was accident, the hood would have got toasted as well. Good luck with this!
Ask your neighbour around for a few beers so you can talk about cars👍
Have him bring his sweet 65 fastback 347 / 5 speed over
Thanks!
thank you Richard, paid for 1/2 the PHS report ! :)))
I wonder if someone was restoring a better condition Lemans and they were taking the tags off this car to put on the Lemans, and turning this GTO into a Lemans parts car?
Great video as always ! Thats alot of cans !
Thank you PSG
I hope if its a Goat you'll do it justice and fix it the right way. Or do what Mom said and buy one that's fixed and ready and trade that one to someone who can do her right. It's a ton of work and a half ton of money
Forget about the originality, that's been compromised a long time ago. Just make it cool.
It's got gto tail lights & seats for sure
Great to hear , thank you . I just learned about the 6 and 10 ribs and tail lights for 65 Gto / lemans in the comments . Thank you for sharing your Knowledge
You got a Goat Jay all is well
Not really fan of...but this is good...glad for you....
Dude, pbr is the nectar of the gods