It's so fun pointing out celebrity fans who really just want to be part of the "universe", even more than part of the franchise. I won't spoil who else is upcoming, but it's certainly worth pointing them out when they do show up.
The Magnificent Ferengi finally sees Keevan face justice! FERENGI justice! They'll make an RC puppet out of ya! Plus, the other Vorta is Iggy Pop! He's so different and idly threatening.
In fairness I think I, born in 1977, missed it at the time. He's in Vorta make-up for the role and also I think Iggy Pop was more a "name" to me than someone I followed or could recognize on sight.
I think you missed Iggy Pop being in this episode - look him up, he's probably before your time lol. Yulgren is played by a very, very famous musician.
One thing I like about “Statistical Probabilities” is that the show already disproved their predictions in “Sacrifice of Angels.” The Jack Pack’s recommendation was based on the assumption a resistance movement would arise on Earth buy Weyoun mentioned in “Sacrifice” that the Dominion’s 1st move after conquering the UFP would be to eradicate all life on Earth.
It's a long read, but the Foundations Trilogy by Isaac Asimov is somewhat of the inspiration for the Statisical Probabilities episode. Also, back when we saw how much you hated Kevan at the end of Rocks and Shoals, I mentioned that you'd see him again. And while his death is anti-climatic we see that he was the same self-seriving guy who gave up his Jem H'dar soldiers to save himself. Instead of committing suicide upon capture, he was quite content to spend the rest of his life in a Starfllet prison.
Two great episodes here. So marvelous to get so much good story for genetically engineered Bashir and another really hilarious and fun Ferengi episode. It's been quite a while for that. For the season to come, it's all about dealing with the aftermath of the opening six-parter in many ways. But while some episodes are disappointing standalones, others are just fabulous DS9 doing what it does best with stories and characters like these two.
Funny you mention Zek not appearing because the original idea for “The Magnificent Ferengi” was that Zek would be the one captured by the Dominion, but the actor, Wallace Shawn, was unavailable at the time, so the episode was written for Ishka instead.
It's small but I just find it so cool to see that sure, they can absolutely replay the event the way it REALLY sounded if they want. It's so rare to acknowledge the Universal Translator and that it censors our perception of what's physically happening - not only sound, but it changes what we SEE in terms of lip movements! Cool of them to tip their hats to expert translators in the real world who know how to interpret subtle differences in meaning that don't show up in just raw text translations. And, probably this is the only time anyone's ever heard the Vorta (High Dominion?) language :)
The Magnificent Ferengi drew inspiration from Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai of 7 characters with completely different personalities coming together for a common cause. Of course, this episode takes it in a completely different direction compared with the movie.
Statistical Probabilities gives us an idea of the size of the Federation - 900 billion (basically aTrillion - is CASUALTIES with the Federation as a whole still existing afterward - they must have between ... 5 and 10 trillion populace. 10% loss in all out war... is more than all the world wars combined ... so the Federation must be huge.
I think Ira Behr, who was a big fan of Iggy Pop and was glad to have him on the show, had some regrets about casting him in a sort of dour, lower-energy role for someone who's literally a rock star. But I LOVE Yelgrun, his sardonic humor, surface amiability and casual murderousness was a PERFECT performance haha.
You haven't lived Syrup of squill on Pancakes. Raktajino to wash it down.👌 I hate to tell you, Canadian, but your maple syrup is obsolete in the future. 🤣
As someone who’s Autistic, I liked seeing a couple of the Augments exhibiting Autistic traits, as well as how people like us are sometimes treated by people in society.
What those crazy guys didn't account for in their statistical probabilities will appear in the next season... Something that was partly caused by their statistical projection, ironic. Keevan boucing off a wall like a bugged character in a video game (Elite Force II AI characters in FFA keep doing that on the Klingon warehouse map for some reason...) is epic.
Statistical Probability is somewhat inspired by Isaac Asimov's "Foundation" books. They have been adapted on AppleTV, but my understanding is it is a very loose adaptation. I think this episode is maybe clearer about the problems with genetic engineering like screw ups and competitive parenting than they maybe were earlier. (Because would people really still be so against something because of events three centuries ago? Heck WWII wasn't that long ago and I'm already seeing a slight increase in people thinking eugenics and antisemitism might be good ideas "in moderation.") Magnificent Ferengi is lots of fun and mostly I like the way DS9 changed the Ferengi...Mostly. To be honest it was so established in TNG that Ferengi can be violent and go on raids I feel like DS9 made them a tad too weak. Like I think I might have thought at the start that he could contact some Daimon with a ship, but in DS9 those are never mentioned. I kind of don't like that. Fun seeing them outsmart the Dominion though.
I never liked The Magnificent Ferengi. I think Armin Shimmerman as Quark is the most redeeming part of the episode. Some of the Trek baddies were best when they were menacing, but they made all the Ferengi out to be fools. The Grand Nagus was best in his first appearance when he was supposed to be an imposing figure. They ruined him by making him a snivling, senile, little troll.
Statistical Probabilities: I can see Julian being lulled in by these people, but did their analysis account for things such as The Sisko asking the Prophets for help and them interceding? Julian should have thought about that. Would starfleet really have given secret information to the group that's literally institutionalized just because they did something clever? And Jack's actor imho is basically playing Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Less noticeable now of course. Still I did like the episode a lot. Magnificent Ferengi: well... it at least had some funny moments which I generally find lacking in Ferengi eps. They're just not my cup of tea and frankly I think Trek humor is almost always terrible. In this case though I was most annoyed with wasting Keevan on a goofy slapstick plot, because I thought his first performance was one of the best aliens I've ever seen in Trek.
Doesn't the episode basically say it doesn't really work though? I mean even in "Foundation" (spoiler for decades old book series) they need a group of telepathic mind-influencers to deal with chaotic events that could make the Plan fail.
@@SuStel Well they're geniuses, but they're also a wee bit crazy. In real life there have been very smart people who decided that if reality doesn't fit their theories than reality is wrong. And some of them ended up becoming so detached they started living in elaborate fantasy worlds.
Except Bashir has never before been depicted as being this deluded about his abilities. You can twist yourself into knots trying to pretend that it makes sense, but it really doesn't. It's out of character for him, and however you justify it, the super-geniuses, including Bashir, got it blatantly wrong and couldn't tell. It's an instance of a story wanting to make a point and building a scenario around the point, rather than letting the story develop naturally. The elements of the story - i.e., the genetically modified people - are just plot devices, not characters, attached to the story to drive it. What they do doesn't actually make any sense.
Legend has it Keevan is still bouncing off that corridor wall to this day.
Really, I didn't see him in the episode *Covenant*
@@Renegade2786 i was just thinking, weither or not "they" (spoiler) cleaned up the remains of his body before the events of covenant
How have I ONLY JUST found your channel? I am obsessed with DS9. This is sick, I'm totally gonna binge all your reactions to the show
Iggy Pop is a Star Trek fan so he got a role in here. His wild years were the 1970s next to David Bowie and such :) still rockin today I think
My second favorite Vorta :) And third favorite (to hate) in the same episode to boot!
It's so fun pointing out celebrity fans who really just want to be part of the "universe", even more than part of the franchise. I won't spoil who else is upcoming, but it's certainly worth pointing them out when they do show up.
Sisko: "May I help you, Gentlemen?"
Rom: "NnoOoOoOo~"
38:30 Weekend at Keevan's
The Magnificent Ferengi finally sees Keevan face justice!
FERENGI justice! They'll make an RC puppet out of ya!
Plus, the other Vorta is Iggy Pop! He's so different and idly threatening.
Can't believe 'And Iggy Pop' went unnoticed! Quark & Rom ending up in Sisko's office is one of my all time favourite Trek moments.
In fairness I think I, born in 1977, missed it at the time. He's in Vorta make-up for the role and also I think Iggy Pop was more a "name" to me than someone I followed or could recognize on sight.
I think you missed Iggy Pop being in this episode - look him up, he's probably before your time lol. Yulgren is played by a very, very famous musician.
Still not my favourite musician cameo in Star Trek. Will Olly be getting into Voyager?
@@ciaranconlon84 Voyager? Didn't you like Mick Fleetwood on TNG in a giant fish head? :P
One thing I like about “Statistical Probabilities” is that the show already disproved their predictions in “Sacrifice of Angels.” The Jack Pack’s recommendation was based on the assumption a resistance movement would arise on Earth buy Weyoun mentioned in “Sacrifice” that the Dominion’s 1st move after conquering the UFP would be to eradicate all life on Earth.
It's a long read, but the Foundations Trilogy by Isaac Asimov is somewhat of the inspiration for the Statisical Probabilities episode. Also, back when we saw how much you hated Kevan at the end of Rocks and Shoals, I mentioned that you'd see him again. And while his death is anti-climatic we see that he was the same self-seriving guy who gave up his Jem H'dar soldiers to save himself. Instead of committing suicide upon capture, he was quite content to spend the rest of his life in a Starfllet prison.
I always thought it was odd how they housed the patients in a cargo bay rather than standard quarters….
The actor who plays the Starfleet Doctor lady is the teacher from TNG in the children's school.
She was also in the 80's sitcom "Head of the Class"
The teacher that can spell? Avoiding spoilers because wasn't that one he skipped?
Jeffrey Combs + any plot involving reanimating the dead = quality entertainment.
Two great episodes here. So marvelous to get so much good story for genetically engineered Bashir and another really hilarious and fun Ferengi episode. It's been quite a while for that. For the season to come, it's all about dealing with the aftermath of the opening six-parter in many ways. But while some episodes are disappointing standalones, others are just fabulous DS9 doing what it does best with stories and characters like these two.
Funny you mention Zek not appearing because the original idea for “The Magnificent Ferengi” was that Zek would be the one captured by the Dominion, but the actor, Wallace Shawn, was unavailable at the time, so the episode was written for Ishka instead.
I love the Jack Pack
It's small but I just find it so cool to see that sure, they can absolutely replay the event the way it REALLY sounded if they want. It's so rare to acknowledge the Universal Translator and that it censors our perception of what's physically happening - not only sound, but it changes what we SEE in terms of lip movements! Cool of them to tip their hats to expert translators in the real world who know how to interpret subtle differences in meaning that don't show up in just raw text translations. And, probably this is the only time anyone's ever heard the Vorta (High Dominion?) language :)
And you shot Moogie makes me laugh every time
He put her out of her misery!
The Magnificent Ferengi drew inspiration from Kurosawa's The Seven Samurai of 7 characters with completely different personalities coming together for a common cause. Of course, this episode takes it in a completely different direction compared with the movie.
The Seven Samurai/The Magnificent Seven meets Weekend at Bernie's.
15:09 "Fine! Then maybe you should talk to Admiral Leo-nium"!
"Who"?
Punches him out and he lands on the Linoleum floor.
Statistical Probabilities gives us an idea of the size of the Federation - 900 billion (basically aTrillion - is CASUALTIES with the Federation as a whole still existing afterward - they must have between ... 5 and 10 trillion populace. 10% loss in all out war... is more than all the world wars combined ... so the Federation must be huge.
Dead Keevan with the neurostimulators, walking around, bumping into walls, brought on flashbacks of the "Spocks Brain" episode on TOS.
This ep always reminds me of TOS ep Spock's Brain, moving the body around somehow LOL
brain, brain... what is brain? 🤣
@@alexejfrohlich5869 🤣
You don't love the Grand Nagus??? INCONCEIVABLE!!!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Nog stole the alarm from Star Trek Voyager - it's their Red Alert noise :D
The Augments were always fun to watch. One of my favorite group of characters on the series.
Lauren was portrayed by Hilary Shepard Turner who portrayed Hoya the Benzite from "The Ship"
Iggy Pop made a magnificent Vorta!
I think Ira Behr, who was a big fan of Iggy Pop and was glad to have him on the show, had some regrets about casting him in a sort of dour, lower-energy role for someone who's literally a rock star. But I LOVE Yelgrun, his sardonic humor, surface amiability and casual murderousness was a PERFECT performance haha.
Brunt and Weyoun are the same actor you know...
A DS9 plot involving reanimating a corpse, got to have Jeffrey Combs in there.
I love your videos and reviews! Keep doing what you're doing!
It's based on the magnificent 7, which is a film you have to watch and the other Vorta is the Singer Iggy Pop whio is a major Star Trek fan :)
Thank you, Oliver! 🖖
Jeffrey Combs is incredible.
Yelgrin was played by Iggy Pop.
trust me. By the end of the show you will love the Grand Nagus! 😁🖖🏼
2:11 She's my #2 DS9 crush after Kira.
I loved 6x9 because the women genetically engineered was Divatox in Power Rangers. As a kid it blew my mind.
I remember that mute mutant female was a host of a show on NPR a few years back.
She was a panelist on "I Love the 90's" on VH-1
How could she host the show if she's mute? /s
You haven't lived Syrup of squill on Pancakes. Raktajino to wash it down.👌 I hate to tell you, Canadian, but your maple syrup is obsolete in the future. 🤣
Like baseball, and Frenchmen who speak French :P
As someone who’s Autistic, I liked seeing a couple of the Augments exhibiting Autistic traits, as well as how people like us are sometimes treated by people in society.
The other genetically engineered characters have "quirks", Bashir only has Quark.
And about Patrick, his name wouldn't happen to be Star would it?
Two great episodes.
Btw the other Vorta is Iggy Pop (the rockstar).
What those crazy guys didn't account for in their statistical probabilities will appear in the next season... Something that was partly caused by their statistical projection, ironic.
Keevan boucing off a wall like a bugged character in a video game (Elite Force II AI characters in FFA keep doing that on the Klingon warehouse map for some reason...) is epic.
I forgot they tried weekend at bernie's😂
Two of my favorites
Statistical Probability is somewhat inspired by Isaac Asimov's "Foundation" books. They have been adapted on AppleTV, but my understanding is it is a very loose adaptation. I think this episode is maybe clearer about the problems with genetic engineering like screw ups and competitive parenting than they maybe were earlier. (Because would people really still be so against something because of events three centuries ago? Heck WWII wasn't that long ago and I'm already seeing a slight increase in people thinking eugenics and antisemitism might be good ideas "in moderation.")
Magnificent Ferengi is lots of fun and mostly I like the way DS9 changed the Ferengi...Mostly. To be honest it was so established in TNG that Ferengi can be violent and go on raids I feel like DS9 made them a tad too weak. Like I think I might have thought at the start that he could contact some Daimon with a ship, but in DS9 those are never mentioned. I kind of don't like that. Fun seeing them outsmart the Dominion though.
To think that in your reaction to the first episode, you said you didn't like the big-eared aliens!!!
Iggy Pop!!!!!!
Iggy Pop!!
I want your shirt!
Divatox at 2:11
Go! Power Rangers Turbo, Go!
PS: 12:34 - 12:36 I've got a message to Bashir from River Song: *Spoilers*
Iggy Pop - in Star Trek, as a rather disgruntled Vorta!
Could you react to the first episode of xfiles?
In Star Trek Online we get this amateur team reunited again ^^
Your not a fan of the Grand Negas Inconceivable
I see what you did there.
Can someone tell Olly not to watch the opening credits on 7x1? It will ruin the surprise debut of a character.
"That's a Stupid Question"!
"THAT'S A STUPID QUESTION"
I never liked The Magnificent Ferengi. I think Armin Shimmerman as Quark is the most redeeming part of the episode. Some of the Trek baddies were best when they were menacing, but they made all the Ferengi out to be fools. The Grand Nagus was best in his first appearance when he was supposed to be an imposing figure. They ruined him by making him a snivling, senile, little troll.
Statistical Probabilities: I can see Julian being lulled in by these people, but did their analysis account for things such as The Sisko asking the Prophets for help and them interceding? Julian should have thought about that.
Would starfleet really have given secret information to the group that's literally institutionalized just because they did something clever?
And Jack's actor imho is basically playing Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys. Less noticeable now of course.
Still I did like the episode a lot.
Magnificent Ferengi: well... it at least had some funny moments which I generally find lacking in Ferengi eps. They're just not my cup of tea and frankly I think Trek humor is almost always terrible.
In this case though I was most annoyed with wasting Keevan on a goofy slapstick plot, because I thought his first performance was one of the best aliens I've ever seen in Trek.
If you think Trek humour isn't your thing, but enjoy Trek and wish it did humour better, try Lower Decks. It's fucking epic.
They also don't take into account the Vorta not running their war effort well.
Ferengi episodes are ridiculous
I kind of hate "Statistical Probability." Psychohistory is not a real thing and cannot be, no matter how smart you are.
I hated how the Federation tried to justify discrimination against the genetically enhanced
Doesn't the episode basically say it doesn't really work though? I mean even in "Foundation" (spoiler for decades old book series) they need a group of telepathic mind-influencers to deal with chaotic events that could make the Plan fail.
@ThomasReeves-s7u Which means these super-geniuses are being really dumb. It doesn't add up.
@@SuStel Well they're geniuses, but they're also a wee bit crazy. In real life there have been very smart people who decided that if reality doesn't fit their theories than reality is wrong. And some of them ended up becoming so detached they started living in elaborate fantasy worlds.
Except Bashir has never before been depicted as being this deluded about his abilities. You can twist yourself into knots trying to pretend that it makes sense, but it really doesn't. It's out of character for him, and however you justify it, the super-geniuses, including Bashir, got it blatantly wrong and couldn't tell.
It's an instance of a story wanting to make a point and building a scenario around the point, rather than letting the story develop naturally. The elements of the story - i.e., the genetically modified people - are just plot devices, not characters, attached to the story to drive it. What they do doesn't actually make any sense.