Are Electric Plasma Jet Engines Actually Possible?
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Are Electric Plasma Jet Engines Actually Possible?
Aircrafts today burn up a lot of fossil fuels, and switching to alternatives hasn't always been feasible. The world is definitely eager to move on to better options, and some time ago, we talked about China's solution to that on our channel. It was the electric plasma jet engine!
A plasma propulsion engine is a type of electric propulsion that generates thrust from a quasi-neutral plasma. This is different from other ion thruster engines, which generate thrust through extracting an ion current from the plasma source, which is then accelerated to high velocities using grids or anodes. There are four types of plasma engines; Helicon plasma thrusters, Magneto-plasma-dynamic thrusters, Pulsed inductive thrusters, and Electrodeless plasma thrusters.
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This video is a perfect example of why you should do more then 10 minutes of research
Can you please tell me what to type in Google?, for research on this subject.
Rocket science, innit?
This comment is a perfect example of why you should learn the difference between "then" and "than".
A plasma engine driving by electricity n vaporising water to steam for expansion could create the thrust needed for the thrust to be commercially viable
Like under water death chargers vs grenade, electric can replace chem combustion, plus in nuculear power and thermo/solar regen amp, it could last a spaceplane trip.
Dear Andy, how about a Buckminster Sphere made of bio rock, a mile in diameter? A plasma bar, requiring enormous electric current, is hung within the sphere. Water is sprayed in. Superheated steam fills the whole sphere. When heat and pressure reach prodigious levels, a rocket tube lets the steam blast out. The whole sphere is merely one of nineteen. It pushes eighteen lift balloons which carry water from the mouth of the Amazon to the Sahara. Trees are grown, and attract rain. Sahara is forest, rivers, lakes againlike 5000 years ago.
No but only for lgiht airplanes not heavy ones
I think some sort of reactor generating electricity can be built the size of a big room. Which can be sent to space. Once i attended a physics day at UNIVERSITY and there was a reactor or a transfomator inside the tent. I wore a glove made of metal and did not get electrcuted, while currents of lightning were all around. But i am not sure what that device was.
Possible? Yes? Going to happen? No, not until somebody invents a pocket size 1GW fusion reactor. ;-)
Just like there has been extensive progress with battery and electric motor technology for cars and trucks, the plasma engine for aircraft will eventually be perfected enough to be effective and practical to use. There were many aspects of technology that were said to be impossible, and eventually the scientists and engineer found a way to make accomplishment.
Battery is just too heavy it's better use hydrogen fuel cell
@@widodoakrom3938yep😅
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The question you ask, "Are Electric Plasma Jet Engines Actually Possible," is not the question you answered. At 2:54 you responded, "Yes, the plasma engine is real," which is true. Plasma engines have been with us since the 1950s, thank you NASA. However, Plasma Jet Engines are NOT real and are NOT possible at our current level of technology. The electrical energy needed to power a plasma jet engine would be greater than that needed to power a large city, which, again, is not possible in an aircraft. Also, using plasma energy to spin jet turbine blades, even if it would work, is ludicrous at best. Chinese technology claims on any subject, filtered through the Chinese Ministry of Propaganda, should always be taken with a grain of salt.
The technology to generate needed electrical power now exist. Someone has invented propulsion that doesn't need any sort of fuel...
Jet plasma engine can be combined with hydrogen fuel cell technology
Right now we can't even power trucks with electricity, it will be a long way before planes can be powered.
I don't doubt electric plasma jets could work... but how much thrust would they generate and could they power fighter jets or bombers in Earth's atmosphere?
A prototype a Wuhan University was able to produce propulsion 'similar' to a traditional commercial aircraft engine, although this is obviously only in laboratory conditions. Whether or not the technology will scale up we'll have to see, but one of the issues cited was the immense heat produced by the thruster was too hot for the traditional casing used on current commercial jets.
@@123maxml5 another concern is what kind of power source could be fitted to a cargo or jet fighter to generate the necessary electrical power for the thrust needed....
A nuclear reactor would be way too heavy.
@@doncalypso yeah true, batteries are definitely a bottle neck to so many industries and new battery technology will be ground breaking in countless ways.
Also on the nuclear reactor front, I doubt that will ever be an option in flight but has been a considered possibility for rockets for a while.
@Chuck Stegall with small fusion reactors it would be feasible, but given the technology available *_NOW_* I don't see it happening.
@@123maxml5 What's more, considering how Easily Tesla Electric Cars burst into flames after accidents occur, due to their batteries rupturing, an Airplane purely powered by such batteries could turn into a Flying Death Trap from a Lightning strike or simply from the batteries rupturing from alternative air pressures.
One aircraft.
Two aircraft.
Three aircraft.
The plural of aircraft is aircraft.
Yes, even though it has not yet been realized, But we must continue to strive so that Electric Propulsion Technology can be realized! #plasmaengine #plasmathruster #electricpropulsion
Quick answer, yes, complex answer, They are currently impractical for in atmosphere travel due to weight of the energy storage needed to run them.
The video covers some environmental bashing of standard fuel powered vehicles (flying or on ground) while simultaneously saying they are more practical for the time being due to energy capacity of fuel vs batteries. There I saved you 8 minutes.
The answer is NO. There is no mention of power, thrust ratios. This will work in space with no need for a ton of thrust at a time, where even ounces of thrust will do. On earth you have to overcome air friction and the weight of the plane. An Ion plane model has been made, but not for anything heavy, more like a balsa and paper airplane. Jets have to produce thousands of pounds to propel a passenger air craft.
0:16 jet engine fuel test. Has nothing to do with electricity.
Why is WP's amazing video here, and did they ask permission...
Any combustion engine that simply charges a battery, in an electric vehicle, eliminates a huge amount of exhaust gases. Incomplete burning and high load use of combustion engines produce the worst emissions.
Where's my flying car promised back in the 70's? In Other Words, I'll believe it when I see it.
It's right around the corner.
Flying cars are already a thing lmao
I finally got it. This isn’t about a breakthrough. It’s about money and presenting competition for rocket fuel manufacturing companies.
Hold up. Ion thrusters exist already.
But they barely produce thrust. They can't even lift themselves.
How is this supposed to lift an entire rocket?
There is an interesting design of aircraft, but they rarely talk about it, because this thing is secret. 💫💫💫💫💫💫💫💫💫💫💫The topic of pulsed plasma thrusters has been developed since the early 60s (see PPT - Pulsed plasma thruster) - they are usually designed for spacecraft. But we will talk about a little-known design - these are plasma propulsion panels for aircraft, where the same Pulsed plasma thruster, but reduced to the size of a pencil and stacked in the form of cells in the panel. The design resembles a conventional plasma TV screen, where there are also discharge cells that activate the glow of pixels on the screen. And plasma propulsion panels have long discharge cells, the arrester has a railgun architecture (just rail contacts or coaxial), and the ionized discharge air is accelerated there by the Lorentz force to enormous speeds - a kind of ramjet engine is obtained. Just imagine! - tens of thousands of small ramjet engines assembled in a panel and firing plasma synchronously with a huge frequency (hundreds of kilohertz). Thus, plasma propulsion panels create lift by pulsed emission of plasma jets from railgun cells. There are tens of thousands of cells in the panel, they shoot at a frequency of hundreds of kilohertz, a huge pulse is obtained, and the plasma swirls the air into toroidal rings - the aircraft is held on this air cushion. Horizontal acceleration is created by the same plasma panels on the sides of the device (they glow, from the side they look like "portholes"). Such devices like "triangle" or "disk" have been observed for a long time, they are mistaken for alien ones - but these are terrestrial devices. They are classified and used for espionage and secret actions. Pulsed electromagnetic technology generates microwave radiation, therefore it is harmful to health. They rarely fly - only military missions. Therefore, they are not suitable for a citizen. This maintained the secrecy. Now they are already declassifying - many people know about this secret technique. When declassified, they will be used for cargo airships. But there is a danger that they are now going to be adapted to deliver small nuclear charges to decision-making centers - such means of delivery are not specified anywhere, are not conventional. This lowers the threshold for starting a war. It would be necessary to declassify them as soon as possible. That's why I'm writing about it. However, I have written before - starting with the book "The Elimination of UFOs" and many articles.
talking about plasma thrusters with 3d animation of a turbofan
Source of electricity to make plasma?
Magic!
@@totalermist magic is "mostly" tech we don't understand
@@cedriceric9730 nah, in engineering there's two classes of technology: AM and FM as in Actual Machines and F'ing Magic 😉
But in all seriousness, there's currently 4 types of known methods for generating electricity:
• chemical - as in batteries; not practical since the energy density is too low
• thermal - as in thermoelectric generators; those things don't scale to the power requirements of this contraption
• mechanical - as in most generators and power plants in operation today; super inefficient because efficiency caps out at ~35%, that's why jet engines, turbo fans and other combustion engines are used directly instead (side note: this includes *all* forms of heat engines, from combustion to nuclear)
• photoelectric - as in solar cells; only 1kW per m² of solar flux on Earth even at 100% efficiency (we're at
@@totalermist The technology to generate needed electrical power now exist. Someone has invented propulsion that doesn't need any sort of fuel...
@@barakathegenius > The technology to generate needed electrical power now exist.
The technology needed for this particular system to work doesn't exist, though.
There's no existing mechanism that could generate the required amount of energy while also being lightweight enough to support powered flight.
i think that everyone is forgetting that electricity has to be generated at a fossil fuel or nuclear powerplant..
Lol as if it's not being generated contemporarily. Wake up dude.
Its coming to reaction ( throwing mass with velocity) high speed with low mass or low speed with high mass
Plasma Tech is Really the next generation engine and is already gaining momentum in ways not previously discovered. .
Great video!
This and much more in "zero fuel engines" project held at UK copyright services since Jan 2007 😉👍🏼
I have a design of ion pulse engine that convert energy to force a car to move.
Been research..but subdued ...
Great exemple of "electrodeless plasma truster" at 1:00....
Next time, make real research.
(The reactor at 1:00 It's the "sabre" of design by reaction engine limited)
What type of pollution if any would it produce?
Maybe due to high temperature will combine N2 with O2 e generate some NO2 and NO3
@@Elias-by9xf is that bad?
@@krolson502 It's similar for burning other fuels like methane. See article below
www.researchgate.net/figure/NO-x-emissions-for-fuel-air-combustion-Figure-6-as-a-function-of-adiabatic-flame_fig7_233234122
A fuckton of pollution from battery manufacture
Different lazer added to it the diff after burn
This invention will change our future
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I waiting! LOVEthe idea.
Whent for terminator space
Aircraft* is singular and plural...
Click bait definition is when you contradict yourself multiple times in your video...
I had the feeling that the narrator doesn't understand half of what is being narrated, and is just reading off of script that was poorly put together
I think it will be looking like a UFO
Still going to need to combust fuel in a generator to provide the electricity for the plasma engine. It could still be a force multiplier getting more thrust from the fuel than regular jet engines could. The way diesel electric freight trains can haul more weight than plain diesel trains which they don't even make anymore.
Ah, somebody didn't pay attention in high school physics. ;-)
@@schmetterling4477 They're right tho. Battery energy density is poor compared to fuel still. MIT's ion glider showed ion engines may have 50 times the thrust to power ratio compared to jet engines, but battery energy density is 30-50 times lower than fuel. However if you converted even 50% of the fuel energy to electricity to power an ion engine, you would now have up to 25 times the thrust to power ratio of the jet engine alone by thrust augmentation.
Electro-thermal combustion augmentation can increase the efficiency of the combustion products using energy generated by the combustion reaction itself. See the Russian AYAKS/AJAX hypersonic Magnetohydrodynamic combined cycle engine. Feedback of energy in a system can improve the thermal efficiency, depending on how you use it. By converting random thermal motion which is wasted into electricity and then directed kinetic energy, an electric or magnetic device like an ion engine or an MHD drive can achieve a much higher exhaust velocity. See also Thomas Townsend Brown's patent for an "Electrokinetic flame jet generator" intended to power a plasma airspike at the nose of the aircraft, to reduce drag and accelerate air plasma around the hull. Brown's design included a high voltage needle electrode to ionize the flame jet, which accelerates the charged particles through a nozzle connected to a series of spark gaps and capacitors. The boosted voltage is then fed back into the flame jet to even higher voltages. By charging the exhaust negative, and the leading edge of the of the vehicle positive, you create an asymmetrical electric dipole in the air around the hull that can move plasma at very high speeds by electrophoretic forces. Even neutral gases in the air will be moved by the dielectrophoretic forces at the million volt energies the Brown patent was designed for. The efficiency isn't the only benefit for these types of field propulsion designs either. The Russian AJAX spaceplane has a "magnetic air intake" which can extend for hundreds of meters in front of the aircraft while flying in the ionosphere. The magnetic intake turning hot plasma into cold air is the only way a plane can scoop up, compress and cool enough Oxygen to burn fuel in the turbine at those altitudes.
@@taylorwestmore4664 Good luck building your ion-engine powered passenger plane. :-)
@@schmetterling4477 Nobody is suggesting the use of an ion-engine to power a passenger plane. The question here is whether an electric jet engine is possible - specifically in this case, where air is excited into a plasma and released as a jet. Very, very different from an ion-engine.
We probably won't see this technology actually working, if it's even possible, for several decades. And there is no guarantee that it will be more efficient, or superior in any way to a conventional jet engine. It's still worth exploring though, because it would be a novel form of propulsion.
@@malcolm_in_the_middle An electric jet engine? Why in the world do you want to heat the environment? Did you not pay attention in thermodynamics class? :-)
Now every one shoud know why wifi is harmfull to life.
Lol you can make a I.M.E Internal Magnetic Engine or a I.E.M.E Internal Electro Magnetic Engine
2 coils in series 2 capacitor in parallel and you can control it with a PWM AND GET IT TO SPINF AT 600 RPS NOT RPM.
Enterprise confirmed?
what about radiation from plasma engines to our environment, in the long run of course. We introduced carbon base technology without thinking throw, with ion drive we can afford that error, ion drives should remain in space, in-fact their are they are well suited under such condition, in space a 2kwh ion drive with less than 500 kg ion material will bit gigantic rocket in space trillion time but not on earth gravity. earth wants bio fuels coz we can burn lots of that with well repercussion of carbon dioxide.
Too impractical for turbine engine aircraft technology.
well a 2.4 ghz thruster is going to bugger up your wifi signal for sure, not to mention the EMF health implications of microwaves.
plasma jet is posible but for a plane uses a plasma jet is still not avsilable, the energy litium ion battery not posible not that ccp wanted it
How about hydrogen fuel cell?
Ion engines have been debunked earlier this year.
edit1: adding RUclips reference *_"Looks Like EM Drive Is Officially Dead - Experiments Fail"_** - Anton Petrov*
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@@dominicsnead3793 I added the refrerence to the youtube video in the OP.
but for your refreence: *_"Looks Like EM Drive Is Officially Dead - Experiments Fail"_** - Anton Petrov*
Most comment sections block links so I won't try.
edit 1: *ion =/= em .. I was wrong on this post.*
@@rubbercable EM drive is *not* an ion engine. Ion engines have been used in satellites and space probes for decades. They work just fine.
@@totalermist I stand corrected. I'll look more into it this week.
Thanks.
So Ion Drives don't work in atmosphere/gas regions. NGL, impressive.
fossal what? no such thing...
they are a waste of time. the future is in antigravity tech.
No
Big oil add.
EV is up now
not
Rockets Cars
ICE Cars
ICE cars will always be around for fun.
Rockets Cars very long term.
Common Sense.
Only in space vacuum!
Brilliant idea!
Yeah. Nice. The Future is near.
It's all so possible.
If we could harnass lightning around aircraft in the atmosphere, we could have a limitless power source for aircraft!
1) Limitless would imply that lightning storms are never ending and very predictable. They are not.
2) Lightning strikes represent an intense burst of potential energy suddenly released from a cloud which built up from warm air rising from the surface and generating a powerful frictional static charge as it collides with cold air/ice crystals falling through the cloud.
But that energy is distributed across the entire length of the lighning bolt as it superheats and ionises the surrounding air + water in it's path through the sky / to Earth.
3) A significant amount of that energy is lost through those heating and ionizing effects, plus the powerful compression wave moving outward from the path of the lightning that we call thunder, and on top of that there are even intense bursts of EM waves issued from the plasma too.
F22 Raptor
spin jet air slinger, less mass more trust
more velocity for less mass needed
scientists are morons
you dont decide the future, have some future, given by God from above, dont try to be above me
you mock God, with law knowledge
Why is it that we always get the metrics of the US. Why didnt you include the pollution coming from china as well. They have cars, trucks, jets, etc as well. Dont just talk about the US but give us data from China as well. The air, water and soil pollution in China is horrible.
There are the inevitable process in order to progress, compared with the western, so-called 1st.world countries.China made pollution just a drop in the ocean.keep pointing finger on the dark side wont really solve anything at all.want to have a peek how western world polluted the world?search what u.s done to the Marshal island for starter, or French did to bikini atoll..the lists is beyond your wildest dream.
@@kengkwongyau3862 Chinese pollution is currently the worst in the world. Acid rain from Chinese smog is literally destroying forests around the world and is wiping out ocean plankton that provides most of Earth's oxygen. Take a look at downtown Beijing, the pollution is so dense that you literally cannot see beyond one-half of a city block. While preparing for the Olympics, China shut down area factories weeks before the games, and petrol-burning cars were forbidden in the downtown area, to help rid the city of smog. Every country is responsible for its share of pollution; however, Chinese pollution is massively on a global scale so profound that it "is beyond your wildest dream."
@@DrWoodyII how's the idea 'the worst' came from? or just core bias? every country in the world contributed their part in pollution, or u just want to claim credit for goods that your contry did, if any, but all bad things done by other country?! China doing its part right now, they leading green energy efforts in many way as well, that 'good' part you never see? or just choose to ignored?!keep on blaming games leading to nowhere eventually, just let it go & do our little, tiny part.
@@DrWoodyII a Chinese pollutes 6 times lower than you and I pollutes only 13 times lower than you. Who do you think you are??
Edit: assuming you are from the US. Same for the OP.
Well china has 4x population compared to with the USA
The ozone pollution would be horrendous. It's a stupid idea!!🤨
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Wuhan ? Plasmandemic
I recently have got weird ideas about gravity. If there is force between two planets of gravity and they do not collide then there must be a force according to Newtons law that repels which should be called antigravity :D Moreover, given the fore of gravity there should be derived a constant of force between particles that describes repusive force...
Planets have a huge amount of momentum in their orbits. Since they don't collide with much in space there's no friction for them to loose that momentum. One way of describing an orbit is you move so fast sideways, when gravity pulls you down you miss the planet. Since you are constantly missing that collision, gravity gives the planet a kind of centrifugal force. Since gravity powers that centrifugal force, there is no way for that force to become stronger than gravity itself and become anti-gravity.
Once rockets are in orbit they can add or remove energy from that centrifugal force by accelerating along their orbital line in a pro/retro grade direction. Enabling them to go up or down the gravity well. Kerbal space program is a great way to learn this stuff, check out scott manleys early playthroughs to learn more.
@@MrTurboTash Thank you for the explanation.
No no. The gravitational force between the two objects IS the third law in action. There is no need for antigravity; gravity is a force that exists between two bodies of matter, each body that exerts an equivalent force on the other directly in the opposite direction.
Unless, of course, you get into relativity and you realize that gravity isn’t really a force at all, but the bending of space time itself.
Let's put solar panels on every home, business and covered parking rooftop and switch to electric vehicles making nearly everything we do solar powered while completely decentralizing our power supply and empowering everyone as power generation owners.
Solar power is CHEAPER and electric vehicles are soon to be CHEAPER to make and already are considerably CHEAPER to maintain and operate, especially if charged from your own solar power.
A 3-5 year ROI (return on investment) for a solar array that will generate power for decades is a no-brainer and the panels can even be made locally too.
#EndFossilFuels #SwitchToSolar #SwitchToElectric #GreenNewDeal
Lithium kills are planer faster
FAKE.