You titled this "Here's WHY THIS is made for CREATORS! ", yet give NO explanation of how it is any different the other gigabyte boards. There is actually a question below that asks the same question why should he buy this and not the master for creation. Nice review but a clickbait title.
I agree, it would have looked sick if they'd used a white solder resist layer on the PCB with black component reference print on top of the solder resist. That would have looked amazing, and as an ex PCB CAM engineer I know they could have done this easily without barebly any additonal manufacturing costs. White solder resist would have be custom ordered so that would be the only additional cost but for the bulk they would want it would work out at pennies per board.
Just built my PC using this board and i5 13600k with Peerless assassin cooler. Haven’t updated the bios (stock bios is F4) nor installed a GPU (haven’t decided yet). 2-DDR 5 32gb and 2 NVMe (1Tb for OS and 2Tb for data). No issues from the beginning and everything is working great! I’m not a gamer, built it for content creation but mainly photo editing.
I'm so disappointed in all these "creator" mainboards. It's 2023 ffs. Not having a 40gbps USB is just unacceptable. Apple has had that since 2 years on its devices. No 10 Gbit LAN, either. Weak.
Nice review. Do you have any info whatsoever on an X790 Aero D? I'd very much like a board like that but I have no idea if I should wait. Are they even making one?
Hello. I was recently reading an article about the 4th and 5th generation of Pcle that if, for example, in a situation like the motherboard you just introduced, we put the SSD in the first port and the graphics card position becomes 8 lanes, there is no problem because 8 lanes of generation 5 are equal to 16 lanes of generation 4 and since there are still 4th generation graphics cards, so we will not have any reduction in speed and performance in our graphics cards. Can you make a video about this to show that 8 lanes of generation 5 gives the same speed as 16 lanes of generation 4? Thank you for your good and useful videos
Yes. I'd definitely like to know more about this. For example, is this problem true for all motherboards, or just this one? Can an RTX 4090 run on 8 lanes in Gen 5, without losing performance? Is there somewhere (like in the Bios) where you see how many lanes your GPU is operating on?
Idk, Z690 Aero D still seems like a better board. An actual x8 slot with bi-furcation, thunderbolt included, 2 x 3.2 usb headers and 3 x 2.0 usb headers, dual nic (10 + 2.5), etc.
Massive help explaining the M.2 slots configuration and how they are connected. Is there a newer version of this made for 14th gen i7 out of the box? Otherwise, this will do for my creator desktop. Thank you. Your channel answered quite a few questions, and now I may be able to start building my first PC
Must be a sign cause just this morning, the Gigabyte 4070 ti AERO all white GPU came across my feed in Amazon and Newegg. Now i'm seeing this, too bad i can't afford either one and would be a great June bday present lol. Thanks for the videos, i love your content!
Hi there... I love your reviews. I am into photography and video editing. I know that you say that the Aero G motherboard is a good choice for creators. I'm thinking of getting Gigabyte's Z790 Aorus Master. Can you confuse me as to why I should settle for the Aero G instead of the Master? Aero G is a bit cheaper than the Master, but the latter has more connectivity at the back than the Aero G.
there is no compromise by running you pcie 5 at 8x. we just recently finally fully saturated pcie gen 3, and dont fully utilize Gen 4, so gen 5 at x8 is a non issue. i say plug in your best nvme and dont think about it.
Hi, Aero G owner here. Just wanted to clarify something: Yes, putting an NVME in the top (Gen5) slot cuts the topmost PCIE slot (also Gen5) to x8 mode... but even the RTX 4090 is still a Gen 4 PCIE card. So, it'll still have full bandwidth. x8 Gen5 has the same bandwidth and throughput as x16 Gen4. Obviously don't put a Gen4 NVME in the top slot, since there's no reason to (all the other 4 slots are Gen4), but if you have a Gen5 NVME, you are kneecapping it for no reason by putting it into a Gen4 slot. There are no consumer Gen5 GPUs out currently. In fact, unless something has released very recently, the *only* Gen5 GPU is some weirdo Chinese model called the Moore Threads MTT S80 which runs like absolute dogshit (a 750 TI beats it in many gaming benchmarks, as per Gamers Nexus), but there are plenty (and growing) Gen5 NVMEs. So, long story short, absolutely put an NVME in the top slot if it's Gen5. You lose nothing on your GPU but gain an incredible amount of speed with the NVME.
It's not entirely true. 4090 is PCIE gen4 compatible card. So, it can't make usa of pcie gen5 standard. Therefore, if you cut pcie gen5 from x16 to x8, you are limiting the card to work as pcie gen4x8. To simplify, 4090 can't do pcie gen5x8. But, pcie gen4x8 will not massively impact 4090 anyway.
How does this compare to ASUS PROART though? And you people have more knowlage of this than me, so is 192GB of RAM really a plus? 128GB is plenty for most stuff right
128gb is overkill for most Tasks even 64gb is more than most people need. I would say if you need that much you probably know your stuff. Please tell me if I'm wrong cuz in that case i want to learn.
It depends on what you're doing, but yeah, even 128GB is overkill for the vast majority of production tasks. For example, PugetSystems recommends a minimum of 32GB for editing 4K video and 64GB for 6K/8K. Complex 3D scenes like "high end Blender" use 64GB-128GB. 3D animation program Maya rarely requires more than 32GB.
@@derptweaker945 it really depends on your tasks, gamers need upto 64GB but most are more than fine with 16, even in the same app, ram usage can vary a lot. best to look at the min and recommended specs for what you are going to do for a idea
there are motherboards for rendering and for creators , those for rendering require processors with a large number of cores and the most powerful graphics cards, while for creators you need a processor with one strong core and many graphics cards with a lot of vram and a lot of nvme disks in raid0
@@TheUnknownVideographer Quadro also have all kinds of vram from 2GB to 48GB. They have things like unlimited concurrent encode and decode sessions, which are software-limited/locked in gaming cards' firmware. In other words, similar hardware but different firmware and drivers enable different capabilities.
I have the proart z790. i wasn't able to get XMP working with 128GB ram. do you know why? it only starts up (works) with XMP on 65GB. my CPU is in intel core i9-13900k
The top PCIe 5.0 slot for SSD is the exact reason why I didn't buy ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-E and instead decided to save a little and bought a simpler TUF Z790-PLUS, I keep 1 SSD in the top slot for the system (WD SN850x), and it goes directly to CPU at full speed (PCIe 4.0 x4), and another 2 SSDs (also WD SN850x) in other 2 slots that go to the Z790 chipset, also full speed. And GPU is not limited and doesn't share lanes with anyone. I'm wondering if it's even possible to implement a manual selection of PCIe 4.0/5.0 for the top slot from the BIOS? Probably not, since the top M.2 goes physically through PCIe lanes directly to the CPU controller and should be physically designed to use either PCIe 5.0 lanes (with only 16x or 8x/8x possible) or PCIe 4.0 lanes. IMHO using PCIe 5.0 for SSDs are too early for today. Yes, some SSDs like WD 850x, for instance, are very close to the 8GB/s limit in sequential read/write. But real-world speeds are usually 3-4 times slower.
So on both the rog strix and this gigabyte board, even if you put an x4 nvme in the top m2 slot, the top pci-e slot will run at only x8? That's crazy. Why would anyone buy a board like that considering the top pci-e slot is the only gen 5 one.
@@billythecat Yes, PCIe can only be multiple to 2 (1x, 2x, 4x, 8, 16x), so you have only two options: one 16x or two 8x/8x. So yes, you waste 4 lanes because all NVMEs are 4x. For some slower GPUs, there is no real performance drop for 8x. And for some people, the priority is data processing, video processing, and rendering. So I suggest it would be perfectly fine for them. But gamers-oriented boards like ROG STRIX should definitely always prioritize PCIe 5.0 16x slot for GPU. You may put SSD in any other slot, but then you are limited to connecting SSD to the chipset and not directly to the CPU. And it makes me feel weirdly uncomfortable knowing that the SSD slot with the biggest heatsink will be wasted for nothing.
@@billythecat According to the TechPowerUP scaling test for PCIe 16x vs. 8x (and some other tests), it looks like even for RTX 4090 the drop is on average 3%-4%, and the worst is about 5%-8%. So, if some people are ok with that and ready to sacrifice 4% of FPS to get the max SSD performance, then probably it's fine for them. But again as I said, it should be definitely not the gamers-oriented boards.
@Artem Dzhadzha "PCIe can only be multiple to 2 (1x, 2x, 4x, 8, 16x), so you only have two options: one 16x or two 8x/8x." Are you saying that it applies to all boards? Because I'm looking at the Rog Strix z690-a specs page and it doesn't say anything about M2_1 slot being populated making the PCIe 5.0 slot run at x8 (meanwhile the Rog Strix Z790-e page says so). Another thing, since you seem to know it well, do you think 4+8 12V connectors would be enough for 13700k (no overclocking), 2xD5 ram sticks, 3xnvme running full load 24/7? Do I need 8+8 12v connectors?
@@billythecat Intel's latest CPUs have in total 20 PCIe lanes, 16 PCIe 5.0 and 4 PCIe 4.0. Usually, motherboards are designed to utilize PCIe 5.0 x16 for GPU (or x8/x8 for 2 GPUs, like ASUS ProArt boards), and PCIe 4.0 x4 for SSD. All other PCIe devices go to the chipset (Z790 has 28 lanes if I remember correctly). Those 16x and 4x lanes in the CPU are separate lanes (even different Generations) and don't interfere with each other. But if the motherboard manufacturer wants to provide you with PCIe 5.0 for the SSD, it has no other option than "steal" some lanes from the 16 lanes of CPU PCIe 5.0. So instead of 8x GPU + 8x GPU, you get 8x GPU + 8x SSD (but only 4x used). In the case of Rog Strix z690, the top SSD slot utilizes PCIe 4.0 4x, and the PCIe 5.0 16x stays fully allocated for the GPU. Regarding 12V power, I can't tell. Never tried 4+8 connectors and didn't even know it was possible not to use all pins. PSUs are usually not so expensive, so I'd invest in some good 850w for your configuration (but if your GPU is something like RTX 4070 or 4090 then 1000w). My personal rule of thumb is having PSU that is about 1/3 more powerful than your system's total load.
I am building my first pc with the help of your videos, thanks a lot! Can I remove the top heat sink? It is a little bit in the way for one of the fans in the cpu cooler.
I had this board but had to return it due to USB issues (won’t recognize keyboard on any usb port until after I replugged it). It looks really beautiful though. Also, if you put either a pcie 5.0 or 4.0 nvme ssd drive on the top slot for these drives, the pcie 5.0 x16 slot for gpu will run at pcie 5.0 x8 which is equal to pcie 4.0 x16. So, if you have a top nVidia card, say a 4090, it will run at its top x16 speed because it still is a pcie 4.0 x16 card. Once we start getting pcie 5.0 x16 gpus, then pairing them with a pcie 5.0 nvme ssd will become a problem on this motherboard because they will run at x8 instead of x16.
@@gerardoliveras430 The thing is, this board is geared towards creators, specially those who use a lot of drives. Doing what you suggest, will mean losing one nvme port to avoid reducing the gpu’s pcie 5.0 slot to x8. Also, if you want to use a new nvme pcie 5.0 drive, you pretty much are forced to use that top slot because of the big heatsinks that they require to operate without throttling. Heck, even if you use an older pcie 4.0 with a big integrated heatsink you are also forced to use that slot while reducing your gpu’s pcie 5.0 slot to x8 too.
I loved your apple silicon comparisons to Intel CPUs. Are you planning on making a nother one comparing the new CPUs? Or generally about the topic: Intel vs PC for creators? Maybe in therms of best bang for buck ?
I use SFP+ for my 10GbE so I went for this board over the ProArt. Pretty happy with it for my needs but I also wonder why there is no D version for Z790 to more properly compete with the ProArt. If I needed thunderbolt or cat 6 10GbE I'd have probably gone with the ProArt because by the time you add TB and cat6 10GbE nic you will have spent more than the ProArt.
May be top ssd slot cuts pci-e to 8 lanes only when m2 gen5 ssd connected like on other motherboard vendors? Because top slot should be direct to cpu as I understand and 13th gen cpus can’t handle gen5 m2 and gen5 pci-e simultaneously
1:54 I absolutely agree! I wish this board had more WHITE to it. There is a new Aorus line board that is FULL white, though…but I love the clean, white, minimalistic design of their Vision/Aero boards as it doesn’t scream “Gamer” with hideous logos and such.
I love the silver, my case is already so much white, and my white fans, with white cables, white cpu cooler, so I really enjoy a little silver and white contrast. Also silver makes the rgb shine and looks so professional IMO
after looking at the manual it looks like both M2A-CPU and M2C_CPU nvme slots both force a x8/x4 PCIe mode, this is typical of Gigabyte Boards where using specific nvme PCIe 4.X slots will still give you x16 for your GPU in slot 1 and where populating all NVMe or using Gen5 NVMe will turn that slot in 8x4 or 8x4x4. So you can fill at most 3 of the 5 nvme slots without it dropping down to x8 for slot 1(manual pg 5). Cool looking board but, the lack of 10Gbps ethernet kills it though for me.
@@manunoyonify it means that if you use a NVME 5.0 drive your 4090 will not be running at full performance (i.e. x16 it will run at x8). So to avoid this pair your 4090 with a NVM4 4.0 (this will give you a x16 for the 4090 which is the full bandwidth). Your NVMe 4 will be slightly slower than the newer 5 versions but, if you look at benchmarks you aren't going to notice it, 4.0 drives are pretty fast, common and cheaper these days.
@@qscorner thank you very much for those insights, browsing youtube and forums i’ve read that if using the nvme gen 5 the pcie speed may be twice as fast so that as rtx 4090 was pcie 4 it would ru optimally... this is crap, that’s it ?
@@manunoyonify each motherboard will be different... typically the motherboard will tell which slots can be used in conjunction and at what speed they will run. Typically most boards only allow 1 slot to run at x16 speeds which is the speed you want for you video card. The manual will tell you if that drops to x8 or x4 depending on what you put in the nvme slots. You can download the manual for any of the motherboards and see for yourself.
What's your opinion on the Z790 Aorus Master? Is it worth it for a creator? It doesn't have dual ethernet port or thunderbolt port but seems to have everything else and more.
Hi there, Question - do you take into account the reviews on Amazon. If you dont, is it because of inexperienced builders? looking at Amazon of this board, there are a significant number of dissatisfied users, (10%), which is very high. my rule of thumb is that i pull the trigger on items that are at 80% approval, or near 80%. Usually when I see reveiws dip down to 70%, i stay away. what say you? thanks!!!
I thought this too….. it’s also on sale for like 110$ off for 190$ which is the cheapest am5 board I’ve seen ever. It’s sold by Amazon themselves so can’t be a scammer and doesn’t say it’s refurbished
They built my pc with that motherboard and put the system ssd with windows in the first slot. Now my 3060 ist just running on 8 lanes, right? Is that a massive loss of speed? Or can i just put the system ssd in slot 2. Will this crash my system?
Thx ! Something i don’t get... if i put a drive in the gen5 slot i lose the graphic card 16 lanes that’s it ? So if my card is an rtx 4090 what happens ? It’s like using a pcie 3 slot ? Thx for helping understand this )
I truly do not understand. I live in a country where returns are impossible. Literally every Z series motherboards i see on Amazon has atleast 10 percent one star reviews. No youtuber mention the amzon reviews so i do not know what to do. Should i just bite the bullet and get this or is there another motherboard with good reviews, updated bios and speced out?
Hello @tech notice. need help, built my first PC assembled everything and updated bios to latest firmware. Gigabyte z790 aero g with intel i13700K and CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 RAM 96GB (2x48GB) 6400MHz CL32 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMK96GX5M2B6400C32) have not loaded OS yet. The PC turns on but after a couple minutes would turn off and then keep restarting. Im not sure if its because of the RAM. Its not in the QVL list yet appreciate your thoughts and any help. thanks.
Is anyone else having trouble with a 4070 and this mobo. I get a black screen when installing the drivers for the gpu and it only works if I lower the pcie gen speed to gen 1. nightmare.
Would this still be a good board for gaming? Plan to use it with a 7800x3d, 4090(aero) that’s why I want this board to match it. Also 2 32gb sticks of tridentz and a t700 gen 5 ssd. Wondering if this board can handle that set up
Given the fact that there are no Gen 5 graphics cards, running pcie gen 5 x8 is the exact same as running pcie gen 4 at x 16. So go ahead and populate that top m2 slot all you want. Not only that, but even an rtx 4090 cannot really fully utilize the bandwidth above pcie gen 3 x16. Yep, that is correct. Unless you are doing something along the lines of high end computation or rendering, then you wil not even need gen 4 pcie bandwidth let alone pcie gen 5 bandwidth. So for example, you are working in PP or Dav Resolve, you won't even utilize the bandwidth of pcie gen 3 x 16 let alone pcie gen 4 x16. If you game, same is true. Could that change 4 or 5 years from now, yep, but if you can afford this you won't be using this hardware in 4 or 5 years will you?
I have still to see a graphics card come anywhere close to needing x8 PCIe, so whoever needs the speed will do no harm in using the faster slot. I don't understand why some people make such an issue over a PCIe port that will never even have 50% usage, even at x8. However, this board does have a few "issues" and I can't justify the prices I see being asked for it when there are boards $150 cheaper with a far better IO design. There used to be the "Asus Tax", now I see there is the "White Tax" + the "Creator or Art Tax".
@@electra6821 It depends on the MB. I know the Gigabyte with the PLC chip can do 8x8, or 16x16 with no lanes being taken by other things. Don't know why anyone would want to run two 4090s though, SLI is sort of dead, besides what PSU would be used to power around 1000W just for the GPUs?
@@theTechNotice do I need a board with 8+8 connectors for a 13700K that will be at full load (no manual OC) almost 24/7/365? And can you tell me in what case I should need 8+8 connectors?
Stay away from gigabyte if support is something you are looking for. I have a screeching chipset fan and have been waiting months to hear back from support. I won't buy another gigabyte anything.
I love Gigabyte boards. But the decision to have the top M.2 slot Gen 5 while also halving the bandwidth of the 1st PCIe slot is baffling to me. Why would you do that? I love the aesthetics of this board. But that's a deal breaker for me.
Poor RUclipsr Nvidia Fanboy couldn't even go to Taipei to see his Grand-dad the boss of you, the one and only JENSICK HOE UNG, The more you buy, the more nvidia saves 🤣🤣🤣
You titled this "Here's WHY THIS is made for CREATORS! ", yet give NO explanation of how it is any different the other gigabyte boards. There is actually a question below that asks the same question why should he buy this and not the master for creation. Nice review but a clickbait title.
I agree, it would have looked sick if they'd used a white solder resist layer on the PCB with black component reference print on top of the solder resist. That would have looked amazing, and as an ex PCB CAM engineer I know they could have done this easily without barebly any additonal manufacturing costs. White solder resist would have be custom ordered so that would be the only additional cost but for the bulk they would want it would work out at pennies per board.
LOVE my Z690 motherboard. I built the creator PC from your video using that board and the i5-12600K and its great!
SAME. it’s solid
I5 12600k is good for premiere pro?
Just built my PC using this board and i5 13600k with Peerless assassin cooler. Haven’t updated the bios (stock bios is F4) nor installed a GPU (haven’t decided yet). 2-DDR 5 32gb and 2 NVMe (1Tb for OS and 2Tb for data). No issues from the beginning and everything is working great! I’m not a gamer, built it for content creation but mainly photo editing.
I'm so disappointed in all these "creator" mainboards. It's 2023 ffs. Not having a 40gbps USB is just unacceptable. Apple has had that since 2 years on its devices. No 10 Gbit LAN, either. Weak.
Nice review. Do you have any info whatsoever on an X790 Aero D? I'd very much like a board like that but I have no idea if I should wait. Are they even making one?
Hello.
I was recently reading an article about the 4th and 5th generation of Pcle that if, for example, in a situation like the motherboard you just introduced, we put the SSD in the first port and the graphics card position becomes 8 lanes, there is no problem because 8 lanes of generation 5 are equal to 16 lanes of generation 4 and since there are still 4th generation graphics cards, so we will not have any reduction in speed and performance in our graphics cards.
Can you make a video about this to show that 8 lanes of generation 5 gives the same speed as 16 lanes of generation 4?
Thank you for your good and useful videos
Yes. I'd definitely like to know more about this. For example, is this problem true for all motherboards, or just this one? Can an RTX 4090 run on 8 lanes in Gen 5, without losing performance? Is there somewhere (like in the Bios) where you see how many lanes your GPU is operating on?
Hi, have u jad more i dos à out this please ?
When you have added a 10GBASE-T and Thunderbolt, you have spent much more than you would have on an ASUS ProArt Creator which includes these features.
yeah a creator board without 10Gb ethernet and thunderbolt ?
@@billythecat First valid argument I see in the comments. The ASUS ProArt is 150 bucks more expensive though.
Idk, Z690 Aero D still seems like a better board. An actual x8 slot with bi-furcation, thunderbolt included, 2 x 3.2 usb headers and 3 x 2.0 usb headers, dual nic (10 + 2.5), etc.
Still DDR4, though. May not factor that hard now, but soon...
@@daviddesrosiers1946 Actually there Aero _D_ has a DDR5 version. I believe the Z690 Aero G is DDR4 only.
@@thefluxlife z690 aero G has a ddr5 version as well
Yea but does it have 6:00 proper thingy?
Onboard audio looks super weak, don’t think he even mentioned it.
Massive help explaining the M.2 slots configuration and how they are connected. Is there a newer version of this made for 14th gen i7 out of the box? Otherwise, this will do for my creator desktop. Thank you. Your channel answered quite a few questions, and now I may be able to start building my first PC
Must be a sign cause just this morning, the Gigabyte 4070 ti AERO all white GPU came across my feed in Amazon and Newegg. Now i'm seeing this, too bad i can't afford either one and would be a great June bday present lol. Thanks for the videos, i love your content!
Hi there... I love your reviews. I am into photography and video editing. I know that you say that the Aero G motherboard is a good choice for creators. I'm thinking of getting Gigabyte's Z790 Aorus Master. Can you confuse me as to why I should settle for the Aero G instead of the Master? Aero G is a bit cheaper than the Master, but the latter has more connectivity at the back than the Aero G.
there is no compromise by running you pcie 5 at 8x. we just recently finally fully saturated pcie gen 3, and dont fully utilize Gen 4, so gen 5 at x8 is a non issue. i say plug in your best nvme and dont think about it.
thats what I was thinking
What about Gigabyte Auros Rev 1.1?
The Auros specs are so cool for creative workloads, I need your opinion on it tbh
Hi, Aero G owner here. Just wanted to clarify something:
Yes, putting an NVME in the top (Gen5) slot cuts the topmost PCIE slot (also Gen5) to x8 mode... but even the RTX 4090 is still a Gen 4 PCIE card. So, it'll still have full bandwidth. x8 Gen5 has the same bandwidth and throughput as x16 Gen4.
Obviously don't put a Gen4 NVME in the top slot, since there's no reason to (all the other 4 slots are Gen4), but if you have a Gen5 NVME, you are kneecapping it for no reason by putting it into a Gen4 slot.
There are no consumer Gen5 GPUs out currently. In fact, unless something has released very recently, the *only* Gen5 GPU is some weirdo Chinese model called the Moore Threads MTT S80 which runs like absolute dogshit (a 750 TI beats it in many gaming benchmarks, as per Gamers Nexus), but there are plenty (and growing) Gen5 NVMEs. So, long story short, absolutely put an NVME in the top slot if it's Gen5. You lose nothing on your GPU but gain an incredible amount of speed with the NVME.
It's not entirely true. 4090 is PCIE gen4 compatible card. So, it can't make usa of pcie
gen5 standard. Therefore, if you cut pcie gen5 from x16 to x8, you are limiting the card to work as pcie gen4x8. To simplify, 4090 can't do pcie gen5x8.
But, pcie gen4x8 will not massively impact 4090 anyway.
In Gigabyte site, the main M.2 say it is PCI 5 , supports Gen5
How does this compare to ASUS PROART though? And you people have more knowlage of this than me, so is 192GB of RAM really a plus? 128GB is plenty for most stuff right
128gb is overkill for most Tasks even 64gb is more than most people need. I would say if you need that much you probably know your stuff.
Please tell me if I'm wrong cuz in that case i want to learn.
It depends on what you're doing, but yeah, even 128GB is overkill for the vast majority of production tasks. For example, PugetSystems recommends a minimum of 32GB for editing 4K video and 64GB for 6K/8K. Complex 3D scenes like "high end Blender" use 64GB-128GB. 3D animation program Maya rarely requires more than 32GB.
@@soaringje9 its funny, Minecraft needs more RAM than maya
@@derptweaker945 it really depends on your tasks, gamers need upto 64GB but most are more than fine with 16, even in the same app, ram usage can vary a lot. best to look at the min and recommended specs for what you are going to do for a idea
Literally ordered two of them yesterday! One for my office PC and one for my home PC!
Hi, i about to order one this week, how are they working so far for you?
there are motherboards for rendering and for creators , those for rendering require processors with a large number of cores and the most powerful graphics cards, while for creators you need a processor with one strong core and many graphics cards with a lot of vram and a lot of nvme disks in raid0
Nvidia Quadro are the best cards for rendering, expensive but faster.
@@TheUnknownVideographer *than 😉
@@TheUnknownVideographer Quadro also have all kinds of vram from 2GB to 48GB. They have things like unlimited concurrent encode and decode sessions, which are software-limited/locked in gaming cards' firmware. In other words, similar hardware but different firmware and drivers enable different capabilities.
I have the proart z790. i wasn't able to get XMP working with 128GB ram. do you know why? it only starts up (works) with XMP on 65GB. my CPU is in intel core i9-13900k
The top PCIe 5.0 slot for SSD is the exact reason why I didn't buy ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-E and instead decided to save a little and bought a simpler TUF Z790-PLUS, I keep 1 SSD in the top slot for the system (WD SN850x), and it goes directly to CPU at full speed (PCIe 4.0 x4), and another 2 SSDs (also WD SN850x) in other 2 slots that go to the Z790 chipset, also full speed. And GPU is not limited and doesn't share lanes with anyone. I'm wondering if it's even possible to implement a manual selection of PCIe 4.0/5.0 for the top slot from the BIOS? Probably not, since the top M.2 goes physically through PCIe lanes directly to the CPU controller and should be physically designed to use either PCIe 5.0 lanes (with only 16x or 8x/8x possible) or PCIe 4.0 lanes.
IMHO using PCIe 5.0 for SSDs are too early for today. Yes, some SSDs like WD 850x, for instance, are very close to the 8GB/s limit in sequential read/write. But real-world speeds are usually 3-4 times slower.
So on both the rog strix and this gigabyte board, even if you put an x4 nvme in the top m2 slot, the top pci-e slot will run at only x8? That's crazy. Why would anyone buy a board like that considering the top pci-e slot is the only gen 5 one.
@@billythecat Yes, PCIe can only be multiple to 2 (1x, 2x, 4x, 8, 16x), so you have only two options: one 16x or two 8x/8x. So yes, you waste 4 lanes because all NVMEs are 4x. For some slower GPUs, there is no real performance drop for 8x. And for some people, the priority is data processing, video processing, and rendering. So I suggest it would be perfectly fine for them. But gamers-oriented boards like ROG STRIX should definitely always prioritize PCIe 5.0 16x slot for GPU. You may put SSD in any other slot, but then you are limited to connecting SSD to the chipset and not directly to the CPU. And it makes me feel weirdly uncomfortable knowing that the SSD slot with the biggest heatsink will be wasted for nothing.
@@billythecat According to the TechPowerUP scaling test for PCIe 16x vs. 8x (and some other tests), it looks like even for RTX 4090 the drop is on average 3%-4%, and the worst is about 5%-8%. So, if some people are ok with that and ready to sacrifice 4% of FPS to get the max SSD performance, then probably it's fine for them. But again as I said, it should be definitely not the gamers-oriented boards.
@Artem Dzhadzha "PCIe can only be multiple to 2 (1x, 2x, 4x, 8, 16x), so you only have two options: one 16x or two 8x/8x."
Are you saying that it applies to all boards? Because I'm looking at the Rog Strix z690-a specs page and it doesn't say anything about M2_1 slot being populated making the PCIe 5.0 slot run at x8 (meanwhile the Rog Strix Z790-e page says so).
Another thing, since you seem to know it well, do you think 4+8 12V connectors would be enough for 13700k (no overclocking), 2xD5 ram sticks, 3xnvme running full load 24/7? Do I need 8+8 12v connectors?
@@billythecat Intel's latest CPUs have in total 20 PCIe lanes, 16 PCIe 5.0 and 4 PCIe 4.0. Usually, motherboards are designed to utilize PCIe 5.0 x16 for GPU (or x8/x8 for 2 GPUs, like ASUS ProArt boards), and PCIe 4.0 x4 for SSD. All other PCIe devices go to the chipset (Z790 has 28 lanes if I remember correctly). Those 16x and 4x lanes in the CPU are separate lanes (even different Generations) and don't interfere with each other. But if the motherboard manufacturer wants to provide you with PCIe 5.0 for the SSD, it has no other option than "steal" some lanes from the 16 lanes of CPU PCIe 5.0. So instead of 8x GPU + 8x GPU, you get 8x GPU + 8x SSD (but only 4x used).
In the case of Rog Strix z690, the top SSD slot utilizes PCIe 4.0 4x, and the PCIe 5.0 16x stays fully allocated for the GPU.
Regarding 12V power, I can't tell. Never tried 4+8 connectors and didn't even know it was possible not to use all pins. PSUs are usually not so expensive, so I'd invest in some good 850w for your configuration (but if your GPU is something like RTX 4070 or 4090 then 1000w). My personal rule of thumb is having PSU that is about 1/3 more powerful than your system's total load.
I am building my first pc with the help of your videos, thanks a lot! Can I remove the top heat sink? It is a little bit in the way for one of the fans in the cpu cooler.
What’s the difference between Arous and Aero
Which one is better for editing and creators ??
Curious if you're going to review any ASRock motherboards.
Thanks for the video!
So Asus or Gigabyte as a Mainboard. Why you do not have test MSI Mainboards?
I had this board but had to return it due to USB issues (won’t recognize keyboard on any usb port until after I replugged it).
It looks really beautiful though.
Also, if you put either a pcie 5.0 or 4.0 nvme ssd drive on the top slot for these drives, the pcie 5.0 x16 slot for gpu will run at pcie 5.0 x8 which is equal to pcie 4.0 x16. So, if you have a top nVidia card, say a 4090, it will run at its top x16 speed because it still is a pcie 4.0 x16 card.
Once we start getting pcie 5.0 x16 gpus, then pairing them with a pcie 5.0 nvme ssd will become a problem on this motherboard because they will run at x8 instead of x16.
ssd do not even need pcie 4.0x16, once pcie 5.0 x16 GPUs come (in many years) just use the M2 pcie 4.0 x4 port.
@@gerardoliveras430 The thing is, this board is geared towards creators, specially those who use a lot of drives. Doing what you suggest, will mean losing one nvme port to avoid reducing the gpu’s pcie 5.0 slot to x8. Also, if you want to use a new nvme pcie 5.0 drive, you pretty much are forced to use that top slot because of the big heatsinks that they require to operate without throttling. Heck, even if you use an older pcie 4.0 with a big integrated heatsink you are also forced to use that slot while reducing your gpu’s pcie 5.0 slot to x8 too.
Thanks on the SSD news, my board should be here soon and normally would use top slot.
I loved your apple silicon comparisons to Intel CPUs. Are you planning on making a nother one comparing the new CPUs? Or generally about the topic: Intel vs PC for creators? Maybe in therms of best bang for buck ?
Yes
@@theTechNotice thank you for your effort and value for all creators out there! 🙏
I use SFP+ for my 10GbE so I went for this board over the ProArt. Pretty happy with it for my needs but I also wonder why there is no D version for Z790 to more properly compete with the ProArt. If I needed thunderbolt or cat 6 10GbE I'd have probably gone with the ProArt because by the time you add TB and cat6 10GbE nic you will have spent more than the ProArt.
Daaaamn, just ordered a Z790 Strix-A. Totally forgot about this one which is also cheaper in Italy
Mine arrives tomorrow. I'm doing my first build.
I’ve been considering this board!!!! Thank you for the review
May be top ssd slot cuts pci-e to 8 lanes only when m2 gen5 ssd connected like on other motherboard vendors? Because top slot should be direct to cpu as I understand and 13th gen cpus can’t handle gen5 m2 and gen5 pci-e simultaneously
I have a question, if I use a 13th gen CPU which has 20 PCIE gen 4 lanes, I can use the top CPU nvme slot without lower the lanes for the GPU correct?
Chunky software sucks. When it awakes from sleep mode the fans are spinning full power:-((((((
are you sure using the pci e 5 will cut the bandwith of the x16 to x8?
sounds like something that will completely bottleneck the gpu, isn't it?
1:54 I absolutely agree! I wish this board had more WHITE to it. There is a new Aorus line board that is FULL white, though…but I love the clean, white, minimalistic design of their Vision/Aero boards as it doesn’t scream “Gamer” with hideous logos and such.
I love the silver, my case is already so much white, and my white fans, with white cables, white cpu cooler, so I really enjoy a little silver and white contrast. Also silver makes the rgb shine and looks so professional IMO
after looking at the manual it looks like both M2A-CPU and M2C_CPU nvme slots both force a x8/x4 PCIe mode, this is typical of Gigabyte Boards where using specific nvme PCIe 4.X slots will still give you x16 for your GPU in slot 1 and where populating all NVMe or using Gen5 NVMe will turn that slot in 8x4 or 8x4x4. So you can fill at most 3 of the 5 nvme slots without it dropping down to x8 for slot 1(manual pg 5). Cool looking board but, the lack of 10Gbps ethernet kills it though for me.
Hi, newbie to pc , what does this actually means if u use an rtx 4090 please ?
@@manunoyonify it means that if you use a NVME 5.0 drive your 4090 will not be running at full performance (i.e. x16 it will run at x8). So to avoid this pair your 4090 with a NVM4 4.0 (this will give you a x16 for the 4090 which is the full bandwidth). Your NVMe 4 will be slightly slower than the newer 5 versions but, if you look at benchmarks you aren't going to notice it, 4.0 drives are pretty fast, common and cheaper these days.
@@qscorner thank you very much for those insights, browsing youtube and forums i’ve read that if using the nvme gen 5 the pcie speed may be twice as fast so that as rtx 4090 was pcie 4 it would ru optimally... this is crap, that’s it ?
@@manunoyonify each motherboard will be different... typically the motherboard will tell which slots can be used in conjunction and at what speed they will run. Typically most boards only allow 1 slot to run at x16 speeds which is the speed you want for you video card. The manual will tell you if that drops to x8 or x4 depending on what you put in the nvme slots. You can download the manual for any of the motherboards and see for yourself.
@@qscorner yeah i’ve read it but building my first pc coming from mac and a bit confused...
What's your opinion on the Z790 Aorus Master? Is it worth it for a creator? It doesn't have dual ethernet port or thunderbolt port but seems to have everything else and more.
Why would you consider an Aorus Master if its more expensive than the Aero G?
So what one is better overall the aero z690 D or the z790 G???? Trying to build a pc.
you guys remember when motherboards had colorful pcie connectors orange blue neon green?
Hi there, Question - do you take into account the reviews on Amazon. If you dont, is it because of inexperienced builders? looking at Amazon of this board, there are a significant number of dissatisfied users, (10%), which is very high. my rule of thumb is that i pull the trigger on items that are at 80% approval, or near 80%. Usually when I see reveiws dip down to 70%, i stay away. what say you? thanks!!!
I thought this too….. it’s also on sale for like 110$ off for 190$ which is the cheapest am5 board I’ve seen ever. It’s sold by Amazon themselves so can’t be a scammer and doesn’t say it’s refurbished
good motherboard and very good price, but still not suitable for creators who have NAS, 10GbE LAN and 20G thunderbolt are very important matters.
I'm new to much of this. Do you think I might ever need those requirements for Davinci Resolve editing, and to upload videos to RUclips?
considering that we add a thunderbolt pci AND a 10 gigabit ethernet pci... does a graphics card still fit??? considering recent gen sizes??
T700(?,I think it’s called that) for the massive heat sink?
So what's the point of the TPM header? I though all recent CPUs have it built in, including Intels 12th and 13th gen.
They built my pc with that motherboard and put the system ssd with windows in the first slot. Now my 3060 ist just running on 8 lanes, right? Is that a massive loss of speed? Or can i just put the system ssd in slot 2. Will this crash my system?
4060ti when??
Hey the z690 is not available in my country. What else can you recommend for content creators ?
I have a question, if I use a 13th gen CPU which has 20 PCIE gen 4 lanes, I can use the top CPU nvme slot without lower the lanes for the GPU correct?
Thx ! Something i don’t get... if i put a drive in the gen5 slot i lose the graphic card 16 lanes that’s it ? So if my card is an rtx 4090 what happens ? It’s like using a pcie 3 slot ? Thx for helping understand this )
14th Gen will go in there also.
Probably not, but would be nice if it did :)
I truly do not understand. I live in a country where returns are impossible.
Literally every Z series motherboards i see on Amazon has atleast 10 percent one star reviews.
No youtuber mention the amzon reviews so i do not know what to do.
Should i just bite the bullet and get this or is there another motherboard with good reviews, updated bios and speced out?
Hello @tech notice. need help, built my first PC assembled everything and updated bios to latest firmware. Gigabyte z790 aero g with intel i13700K and CORSAIR Vengeance DDR5 RAM 96GB (2x48GB) 6400MHz CL32 Intel XMP iCUE Compatible Computer Memory - Black (CMK96GX5M2B6400C32) have not loaded OS yet. The PC turns on but after a couple minutes would turn off and then keep restarting. Im not sure if its because of the RAM. Its not in the QVL list yet appreciate your thoughts and any help. thanks.
Is there a real, real life performace differenace using nmve Gen 5 vs Gen 4 ?
The compromise for Gen 5 speed M.2 kicking the PCIE to x8 is terrible!
Is anyone else having trouble with a 4070 and this mobo. I get a black screen when installing the drivers for the gpu and it only works if I lower the pcie gen speed to gen 1. nightmare.
Would this still be a good board for gaming? Plan to use it with a 7800x3d, 4090(aero) that’s why I want this board to match it. Also 2 32gb sticks of tridentz and a t700 gen 5 ssd. Wondering if this board can handle that set up
This is for intel platform :)
@@theTechNotice they make a b650 version with basically everything the same
Thanks for covering the asus substitute
Nice features.
Hopefully the D is on the way. Need that thunderbolt.
got it on January. loved it so far. but bios are abit off compare to msi
Yes
Maybe it already came out on this model x670 am5...
is GIGABYTE suffering the same heat/ voltage issues ASUS is suffering? Love to find a reliable MOBO but,,,,
Given the fact that there are no Gen 5 graphics cards, running pcie gen 5 x8 is the exact same as running pcie gen 4 at x 16. So go ahead and populate that top m2 slot all you want. Not only that, but even an rtx 4090 cannot really fully utilize the bandwidth above pcie gen 3 x16. Yep, that is correct. Unless you are doing something along the lines of high end computation or rendering, then you wil not even need gen 4 pcie bandwidth let alone pcie gen 5 bandwidth. So for example, you are working in PP or Dav Resolve, you won't even utilize the bandwidth of pcie gen 3 x 16 let alone pcie gen 4 x16. If you game, same is true. Could that change 4 or 5 years from now, yep, but if you can afford this you won't be using this hardware in 4 or 5 years will you?
Got this board - there is a BIOS upgrade available.
I have still to see a graphics card come anywhere close to needing x8 PCIe, so whoever needs the speed will do no harm in using the faster slot. I don't understand why some people make such an issue over a PCIe port that will never even have 50% usage, even at x8. However, this board does have a few "issues" and I can't justify the prices I see being asked for it when there are boards $150 cheaper with a far better IO design.
There used to be the "Asus Tax", now I see there is the "White Tax" + the "Creator or Art Tax".
Its way cheaper than the Aorus versions. The Z790 Aorus Extreme is basically the same and costs 4 times more.
@@gerardoliveras430 must be a regional thing, then, since where I'm at it costs €490 and is order only.
If you want to run two GPUs, they would each be running on x4, no? That would be a significant problem for 4090s, I think.
@@electra6821 It depends on the MB. I know the Gigabyte with the PLC chip can do 8x8, or 16x16 with no lanes being taken by other things. Don't know why anyone would want to run two 4090s though, SLI is sort of dead, besides what PSU would be used to power around 1000W just for the GPUs?
that's not a creator board, no 10gbe, no more than 4 SATA ports, WiFi .. why!?!? I'd rather have 10gbe
that's why I went for a ASUS ProART Z690
Wait 4+8 ATX 12V connector instead of 8+8 ????????
Well above what's needed :)
@@theTechNotice do I need a board with 8+8 connectors for a 13700K that will be at full load (no manual OC) almost 24/7/365? And can you tell me in what case I should need 8+8 connectors?
Does this motherboard support ddr4 ram?
no
Z690 way better than the z790 I have the aero f has better io 2.4 abd 10gb as well I mean whT happened..
Mine has terrible coil whine. Just return it.
Waiting for 4060ti video 😅
Where is the rtx 4060Ti Video ??😮 I am waiting from a long time ||
Check my community post :)
@@theTechNotice is rtx 4060ti good for 4k video editing and stable diffusion , please reply , i am waiting for it
@@theTechNotice i seen your community post but SIR PLEASE UPLOAD 4060 TI VIDEO
wow wow wow
Stay away from gigabyte if support is something you are looking for. I have a screeching chipset fan and have been waiting months to hear back from support. I won't buy another gigabyte anything.
No 10GbE, no Creator at this point in time. ;)
I love Gigabyte boards. But the decision to have the top M.2 slot Gen 5 while also halving the bandwidth of the 1st PCIe slot is baffling to me. Why would you do that? I love the aesthetics of this board. But that's a deal breaker for me.
Nice
WOW THAT NUMBER OF I.O. PORT IS HORRIBLE,HOW IS THIS EVEN MARKETING FOR CREATOR!
Last years was better because it had 10g lan
Nope it didn't, the Aero D had 10g :)
@@theTechNotice Right I agree the D had it not the G
Gigabyte sometime F*cks up.
Not dependable
o0o0o0o0over Here :)
in every board wifi card in changeable. what a fool
No its not.
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