And it's a fair fight, too. Plenty of dough backing each side. I ride a Scout set up as a full-dress bagger and I just giggle at the lean on these bad boys.
Good point. Harley could make a truck load of $'s by taking much of these pieces, dialling it back a few notches and selling them as a built item found in their catalog. Missing opportunities... I think most road riders would love to see something like this made easily available.
Harley owners pissing in the air about these bikes be humbled you moan about jappa bikes ,to build a bagger you copy a jappa higher foot pegs seat inside down shocks twin discs longer legs in gearbox the list goes on .Stop hating and acknowledge we are all just bike riders and get on with riding
Kyle is a top bloke having a chat with you guys. Great effort, thanks for this. Just bought a Street Glide ST. Having moved from very much the wrist crippling performance bikes with no real padded seat, after a back op. Oh my what an awesome bike. Never had a Harley Davidson, let alone a bagger and I’m in love with it! Sounds like I need to start modding it, what to do first…? Thank you for the content.
The fact that any road glide owner could turn their bike into something close to this is so badass. Factory based racing is fun to watch but incredible to think that some of the engineering that went into this bike is shared among the factory bikes its based on. I hope KOTB is around for a while, such a great concept!
I’ve had a “performance bagger” since 2011. Taller custom suspension, Lyndell brakes, BST wheels, Baker 7spd trans, built H-D 120r motor, adjustable handlebars made of billet aluminum, extended swingarm, etc. Not a full race bike like this but mine is 100 lbs lighter than stock. With most of the weight loss in the form of rotating mass so it feels even lighter at speed. Great to see people take these road toads and make them handle. T-Man Performance built 124R done in 2011. 135hp / 145tq to the wheels.
Kyle Wyman was the coolest guy at road America last year. Obviously he was extremely busy racing but he made time for anyone and everyone. I'm not a Harley guy but Kyle and king of the baggers series is starting to change my mind. The new ST model really going to make it hard for me not to buy my first HD.
The great thing about racing is the technology and lessons learn translate over to production. From driving vehicles and riding motorcycles for many decades, you can tell the difference.
Kyle is such a amazing inspiration for Harley and the performance bagger aspect of riding. Hope Harley hired him as R&D and let's him inspire some new models.
Wow they want a lot to watch the live stream of the king of the baggers. A season pass is $109.99, Its cheaper to pay F1 to watch their entire season and all the support series for 20 plus races
Badass bike. Would love to see harley or Indian make some muscle cruisers out of those platforms. Maybe not as tall or extreme of ergos, but defiantly taller, better lean angle, and no fairing please.
@@toofastnobrakes I don't have much trouble flicking mine around but it definitely does sit low. Could always just toss some taller springs on it and have at it though
Cool to see someone like Kyle who is passionate about what he is doing.. never thought I'd see 'Bagger-Racing' ...you just never know these days . Dave NZ
You have NO IDEA just trust me on that, you have no clue.. And I say that being I hand delivered every part on the bike in this video.. And I personally got to see the transformation of it being a fully stock bike to a living, breathing monster that it is now.. It was very impressive to watch and seeing it perform on the track from what it was is even more impressive
MilliondollarBogan has over 20 grand in his road glide. Got Wilbers suspension, 131 motor , the whole deal....looks bad ass and it's a 2018 so it's the gunship gray cvo
Very cool video. Surprised it isn't turbocharged btw. Seems like a natural thing for a race bike. I'm assuming it's just in the rules. I love this new bagger culture coming about, and I love Harley for really committing to it. I don't feel like they've really done anything like that in forever to appeal to younger folks.
This is why people buy harleys, because there are so many aftermarket parts available. Indian will not match HD for aftermarket service for years, if Polaris keep making Indians that is.
@@jeffreybrannon60 yes Indian sell finished bikes Harleys are a kit, you need the rest of the bits to finish them. As for ride quality though I love my 2020 m8 softtail Street bob, it does handle better than the older harleys for sure. Maybe the Mo Co are afraid of getting sued.
I still don't see them on the website but lloydz said they were possibly making cams for the scout. They already have cams for the thunderstroke engines
Thank you. I took about 2 decades off from following any sort of bike racing and there isn't much info about what makes a bagger,super hooligan or why different displacement bikes are in supersport now.
The fuel question sends me!!! " It smells GREAT " lmfao. I rode a carbed bike for years, something modern EFI and electric guys will NEVER understand is how important the fuel smell is to the ride. I know that sounds crazy, but too bad. Combustion sound & smell on a bike might be 90% of the experience.
Suppose this the testing ground of future bagger. I gather* (*I am not involved with Anti Drug MADD or RADD) that in like 2024-25 Harley is switching over, bagger engines like the 1275
Racing bikes like motogp are taller for more reason one of them is more levrage taking a corner and I think you also get more room fore more lean angle and more traction because you can hang of more in a higher lean angle = all this gets you higher cornering speed. Am I right?
Great video. I would rather convert a Super Duke to a performance bagger. You start out with huge lean angles with 180 horsepower and 104 ft pounds torque from factory. Less torque needed on 500 pound bike. Super Duke, I believe, has the largest diameter pistons(4.25 inches) of any mass produced motorcycle. Even with the inertia mass of those pistons able to rev 10,000 rpm. The bike comes with a warranty!
A Suzuki boulevard m109R has the biggest pistons at 4.4 inches across making it bigger than any piston used in any production car or motorcycle in the world
After you asked him why chain vs belt he went directly to talking about how great Harley is for like a minute but walked around and avoided the question and then went straight to cooling solutions for the motor. 😂 not sure why though, because it’s a simple answer
If I had a man-crush, it would be Kyle. Anyway, I just put a set of bags on the WG and windscreen is next. I plan on putting some miles on it this year with many moderate length trips. It has a 95 kit with 10.5:1, 570 cams and ported and polished heads and she really pulls but mileage is not stellar unless you baby it 😴. There is a local shop that has a Dynojet and I may go see what I'm actually working with. I know the 2-1 pipes will help me get more power but I love the look of my "stock" 88 with classic slip ons. So I'd say I have a sort of performance bagger, just not quite to that level.
I have a 19 with a with a 117 stage iv. Put a d&d fat cat exhaust with no cats or 02 sensors... and a power vision tune on it and and by doing that my dyno numbers came up from 116 hp 122 tq to 132 hp and 143 tq the exhaust and tune are very huge factors in your engine performance. The performance of the motor with the prostreet tuner is really dialed down and within epa standards. Witch equals less power and it most likely making it run hot
The weight is insane like 100kg + more then motogp. Thats the fundamental in bagger racing. Racing something that in peoples mindes shouldn't be possible. Would like to se this against a stock super sportbike 😀 I think this will win becaus the modern sportsbikes are over hyped they have crazy numbers but they don't show on track old sportsbikes with less hp are still faster.
Oh look! Harley does know how to make a proper swing arm. I'd like to know who came up with those cam adjusters - what a great idea 🤬 All baggers on the road have a misaligned rear wheel thanks to that marvelous piece of engineering 👏
@@CactusJack252 exactly. Dynas don't have alignment marks either but we have found the coat hanger test is pretty darn close. The baggers is very difficult, not only because you are torquing the same direction the least point of resistance, but there is a ton of movement on that right cam. And even if you can keep both cams in place while torquing it down it doesn't mean the wheel is centered.
Outside of MotoGP, my most enjoyable racing series. I hate to say that..... but it's true Wish Honda would introduce the RS-750 again....and I might include flat track.
Right on! The King of the Baggers Race series is going to change Bagger motorcycles forever. This genre of motorcycle, “Baggers”, was ripe for improvement IMO. Younger riders don’t want “Granddad’s motorcycle”. Older veteran motorcyclists are moving to lighter bikes; they can’t muscle around an 850lb motorcycle like they could when they were 30yo. Lighter, faster, better handling, more durable Baggers helps the entire motorcycle industry. Racing improves the technology, durability and performance of street motorcycles. So it will be with Baggers. King of the Baggers Race series is the best thing to happen to Harley Davidson and Indian since they started up the rivalry again when Polaris bought Indian! Just the improvement in tire technology from Racing Baggers will be a game changer for heavy motorcycles. This is the tip of the iceberg with the technology showing up on race ready Baggers. The King of the Baggers Racing is GOOD too! The riders are dicing it up; riding to WIN! It’s very entertaining.
Making my street Bob a bagger … kinda oxymoronic , but hey I’m a broke ass who could only afford the fxbb and then when I can I upgrade … first a fairing , then bags, muffler air and tune , suspension , then hopefully a cam , oil pup replace , 128 kit , lighter fly wheel , upgrade the compensator , chain conversion …. The list can go on and on lol Anyone got an extra 15k they wanna lend me to make it happen ?
All HD.. Öhlins but hei Öhlins is a Swedish company. Best you can get in the world :) Had it on alot of my builds with Snowmobiles, cars and bikes :) Never fail compare to other brands!
That's cool. I really just wish they had to roll them off the showroom floor and race. Maybe change the air pressure in the tires and that's it. Go race. But will never happen because money talks.
What these guys are doing on these bikes is actually unbelievable 🥂 they are running the same lap times as the twins cup bikes😳 600 and 700 cc bikes just goes to show what $150K will get you 🥂
He never really answered the question about why the bike runs a chain instead of a belt. I believe it's because chains are more efficient in transmitting power.
Bagger racing is probably the best thing to happen to motorcycle racing since... ever. So glad to see Harley and Indian finding this badass niche.
And it's a fair fight, too. Plenty of dough backing each side. I ride a Scout set up as a full-dress bagger and I just giggle at the lean on these bad boys.
I just found this in June 2024
I'm hooked already.
Good point. Harley could make a truck load of $'s by taking much of these pieces, dialling it back a few notches and selling them as a built item found in their catalog. Missing opportunities... I think most road riders would love to see something like this made easily available.
What did they do to tune that bike???
Harley owners pissing in the air about these bikes be humbled you moan about jappa bikes ,to build a bagger you copy a jappa higher foot pegs seat inside down shocks twin discs longer legs in gearbox the list goes on .Stop hating and acknowledge we are all just bike riders and get on with riding
Kyle is a top bloke having a chat with you guys. Great effort, thanks for this. Just bought a Street Glide ST. Having moved from very much the wrist crippling performance bikes with no real padded seat, after a back op. Oh my what an awesome bike. Never had a Harley Davidson, let alone a bagger and I’m in love with it! Sounds like I need to start modding it, what to do first…? Thank you for the content.
The fact that any road glide owner could turn their bike into something close to this is so badass. Factory based racing is fun to watch but incredible to think that some of the engineering that went into this bike is shared among the factory bikes its based on.
I hope KOTB is around for a while, such a great concept!
I’ve had a “performance bagger” since 2011. Taller custom suspension, Lyndell brakes, BST wheels, Baker 7spd trans, built H-D 120r motor, adjustable handlebars made of billet aluminum, extended swingarm, etc. Not a full race bike like this but mine is 100 lbs lighter than stock. With most of the weight loss in the form of rotating mass so it feels even lighter at speed. Great to see people take these road toads and make them handle. T-Man Performance built 124R done in 2011. 135hp / 145tq to the wheels.
Would love to see a video or a build thread. Sounds exactly like what I would like to build in the future.
What tires and tire pressure are you running for the street?
@@Kevin_Ho70 Same psi as stock. Bike has 18” wheels front & rear.
@@RacecarDevjust saw this .. YES they need to do a vid on this OG performance bagger
This was dope exclusive content! I learned a good bit with this one. I love that the performance bagger scene is growing.🤘🏼
Kyle Wyman was the coolest guy at road America last year. Obviously he was extremely busy racing but he made time for anyone and everyone. I'm not a Harley guy but Kyle and king of the baggers series is starting to change my mind. The new ST model really going to make it hard for me not to buy my first HD.
Can't wait for the 2023 Mission King of the Baggers season to start soon!
Please upload more often Mr. head!
The great thing about racing is the technology and lessons learn translate over to production. From driving vehicles and riding motorcycles for many decades, you can tell the difference.
Kyle is such a amazing inspiration for Harley and the performance bagger aspect of riding. Hope Harley hired him as R&D and let's him inspire some new models.
Thank you Kyle Wyman for bringing the red white and blue number one back thank you so much
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Why am I just finding this series now, as an overall racing fan? These machines are amazing!!!
I hear performance bagger and I think Yamaha FJR1300.
Wow they want a lot to watch the live stream of the king of the baggers. A season pass is $109.99, Its cheaper to pay F1 to watch their entire season and all the support series for 20 plus races
GREAT ViDEO!!!! Thanks so much that was awesome. That bike is so fn sick. Can't wait for the 2022 race season
Badass bike. Would love to see harley or Indian make some muscle cruisers out of those platforms. Maybe not as tall or extreme of ergos, but defiantly taller, better lean angle, and no fairing please.
HD tried with the VRod but they focused too much on 'cruising' rather than handling, too low and too much rake
I mean, that's pretty much the Low Rider S right? lol
@@BloodPlusPwn still to low, to heavy, and poor flickability
@@BloodPlusPwn think something more like the xdiavel or vmax,
@@toofastnobrakes I don't have much trouble flicking mine around but it definitely does sit low. Could always just toss some taller springs on it and have at it though
Cool to see someone like Kyle who is passionate about what he is doing.. never thought I'd see 'Bagger-Racing' ...you just never know these days . Dave NZ
This is what happens when a motor company does whatever it takes to win. Spare no expense.
You have NO IDEA just trust me on that, you have no clue.. And I say that being I hand delivered every part on the bike in this video.. And I personally got to see the transformation of it being a fully stock bike to a living, breathing monster that it is now.. It was very impressive to watch and seeing it perform on the track from what it was is even more impressive
Thank you for interviewing the King! This was an awesome interview! Go Harley Davidson!!!
As badass as this bike is an I know it’s all about performance, but that seat really looks kinda stupid
great video, its nice to learn about all these different things, kyle seems like a really cool down to earth guy too
MilliondollarBogan has over 20 grand in his road glide. Got Wilbers suspension, 131 motor , the whole deal....looks bad ass and it's a 2018 so it's the gunship gray cvo
Very cool video. Surprised it isn't turbocharged btw. Seems like a natural thing for a race bike. I'm assuming it's just in the rules. I love this new bagger culture coming about, and I love Harley for really committing to it. I don't feel like they've really done anything like that in forever to appeal to younger folks.
there was a turbo street glide in the mix it didn't do well
@@jradish Ah, I guess if they couldn't get it working well that's fair enough
Are performance camshafts made for the Indian scout 60 and 1200? If so I'd love to see performance advantages of them
This is why people buy harleys, because there are so many aftermarket parts available. Indian will not match HD for aftermarket service for years, if Polaris keep making Indians that is.
@@therealrobertbirchall yea I know but I've found that Indian has more performance out of the create than Harley and a better ride quality
@@jeffreybrannon60 yes Indian sell finished bikes Harleys are a kit, you need the rest of the bits to finish them. As for ride quality though I love my 2020 m8 softtail Street bob, it does handle better than the older harleys for sure. Maybe the Mo Co are afraid of getting sued.
I still don't see them on the website but lloydz said they were possibly making cams for the scout. They already have cams for the thunderstroke engines
@@johnathandk42134 thank you for the information I shall contact them and see what I can come up with
I so can't wait for this to keep growing as full race series and include Softails ( I hope!!) And include all manufacturers. 💪
Great video !! I learned a lot from this thank you !
Seems like a very genuine guy, very informative and insightful...awesome bike!!!
I have the black street glide ST in my garage.
I made some of the carbon on this bike
Thank you. I took about 2 decades off from following any sort of bike racing and there isn't much info about what makes a bagger,super hooligan or why different displacement bikes are in supersport now.
Wyman fans like!
The fuel question sends me!!! " It smells GREAT " lmfao. I rode a carbed bike for years, something modern EFI and electric guys will NEVER understand is how important the fuel smell is to the ride. I know that sounds crazy, but too bad. Combustion sound & smell on a bike might be 90% of the experience.
Suppose this the testing ground of future bagger. I gather* (*I am not involved with Anti Drug MADD or RADD) that in like 2024-25 Harley is switching over, bagger engines like the 1275
Racing bikes like motogp are taller for more reason one of them is more levrage taking a corner and I think you also get more room fore more lean angle and more traction because you can hang of more in a higher lean angle = all this gets you higher cornering speed. Am I right?
Shocks are higer to get more traction in corners just like new sports bikes and motogp and ofcourse more traction while breaking.
Great video. I would rather convert a Super Duke to a performance bagger. You start out with huge lean angles with 180 horsepower and 104 ft pounds torque from factory. Less torque needed on 500 pound bike. Super Duke, I believe, has the largest diameter pistons(4.25 inches) of any mass produced motorcycle. Even with the inertia mass of those pistons able to rev 10,000 rpm. The bike comes with a warranty!
Wow, didn't know the pistons of that bike were so large. I was thinking the BMW R18's would be bigger, but the KTM beats it by 0.9mm.
A ktm is never the better option over anything else. If the bike doesn't turn out being junk the aftersales support definitely will.
630lb minimum for class
A Suzuki boulevard m109R has the biggest pistons at 4.4 inches across making it bigger than any piston used in any production car or motorcycle in the world
where could I find a belly pan like that ?
After you asked him why chain vs belt he went directly to talking about how great Harley is for like a minute but walked around and avoided the question and then went straight to cooling solutions for the motor. 😂 not sure why though, because it’s a simple answer
Imagine having a job that requires you to ride your Harley all day… lol .. there would be zero sick days for me..
If I had a man-crush, it would be Kyle. Anyway, I just put a set of bags on the WG and windscreen is next. I plan on putting some miles on it this year with many moderate length trips. It has a 95 kit with 10.5:1, 570 cams and ported and polished heads and she really pulls but mileage is not stellar unless you baby it 😴. There is a local shop that has a Dynojet and I may go see what I'm actually working with. I know the 2-1 pipes will help me get more power but I love the look of my "stock" 88 with classic slip ons. So I'd say I have a sort of performance bagger, just not quite to that level.
M8 V-Twin, 131R c.i., spec fuel, producing over 150 horsepower he said !
I love the racing, but I am so sick of the term “bagger” in reference to touring bikes. It makes my butt hole want a drink of buttermilk
OK now, what the hell is in the bags? Should be Beer by the rules 😁Probably just boring electronics.
Great information. Harley should make the scope on the left side for our street bikes.
this was an excellent interview. i really enjoyed it. good luck to that young man.
More ideas for my own street glide... Thanks for the info and digging the channel
Indian Motorcycle is gonna be watching, learning, and tweaking their bikes after this, LoL!
What's the point of a race bagger if you can't race while listening to your favorite tunes and your old lady on the back in a tube top.
Whenever you're ready I'll race you title for title on my bone stock gen 1 fjr.
Love the sound of the ELECTRIC Harley !!!!
Great vid,Kyle was very informative,love watching the king of bagger races
THANX BH ! Great stuff !!!!
What’s different between a 131 and the R variant. My coworkers 131 kit, not even the crate motor, is 150 at the rear wheel
I have a 19 with a with a 117 stage iv. Put a d&d fat cat exhaust with no cats or 02 sensors... and a power vision tune on it and and by doing that my dyno numbers came up from 116 hp 122 tq to 132 hp and 143 tq the exhaust and tune are very huge factors in your engine performance. The performance of the motor with the prostreet tuner is really dialed down and within epa standards. Witch equals less power and it most likely making it run hot
The difference is basically EVERYTHING
The weight is insane like 100kg + more then motogp. Thats the fundamental in bagger racing. Racing something that in peoples mindes shouldn't be possible. Would like to se this against a stock super sportbike 😀 I think this will win becaus the modern sportsbikes are over hyped they have crazy numbers but they don't show on track old sportsbikes with less hp are still faster.
What are the best performance tires and what tire pressure front/rear recommendations for daily street use?
Didn’t even come close to answering why chain over belt
Oh look! Harley does know how to make a proper swing arm. I'd like to know who came up with those cam adjusters - what a great idea 🤬 All baggers on the road have a misaligned rear wheel thanks to that marvelous piece of engineering 👏
Just the harley baggers. The other brands don't have that problem.
@@CactusJack252 exactly. Dynas don't have alignment marks either but we have found the coat hanger test is pretty darn close. The baggers is very difficult, not only because you are torquing the same direction the least point of resistance, but there is a ton of movement on that right cam. And even if you can keep both cams in place while torquing it down it doesn't mean the wheel is centered.
NGL this video was a big reason why I got my ST.
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I would love to see baggers outperform sportsbikes 😀 torque on that must be like 250nm if hp is over 150. Insane.
That bike is freaking awesome!!!
Outside of MotoGP, my most enjoyable racing series.
I hate to say that..... but it's true
Wish Honda would introduce the RS-750 again....and I might include flat track.
Right on! The King of the Baggers Race series is going to change Bagger motorcycles forever.
This genre of motorcycle, “Baggers”, was ripe for improvement IMO. Younger riders don’t want “Granddad’s motorcycle”. Older veteran motorcyclists are moving to lighter bikes; they can’t muscle around an 850lb motorcycle like they could when they were 30yo. Lighter, faster, better handling, more durable Baggers helps the entire motorcycle industry.
Racing improves the technology, durability and performance of street motorcycles. So it will be with Baggers. King of the Baggers Race series is the best thing to happen to Harley Davidson and Indian since they started up the rivalry again when Polaris bought Indian!
Just the improvement in tire technology from Racing Baggers will be a game changer for heavy motorcycles. This is the tip of the iceberg with the technology showing up on race ready Baggers.
The King of the Baggers Racing is GOOD too! The riders are dicing it up; riding to WIN! It’s very entertaining.
Definitely need to make these available for the street. I'm sure a lot of us older sportbike guys would love this.
Man a plane Jane road glide is 20 k I don’t even wanna know what this would be 😂
@Fibermyalgia I heard the mods run about another $70k. A lot of the price is in the carbon fiber and lightening the frame.
Making my street Bob a bagger … kinda oxymoronic , but hey I’m a broke ass who could only afford the fxbb and then when I can I upgrade … first a fairing , then bags, muffler air and tune , suspension , then hopefully a cam , oil pup replace , 128 kit , lighter fly wheel , upgrade the compensator , chain conversion …. The list can go on and on lol
Anyone got an extra 15k they wanna lend me to make it happen ?
Shout out to harley for.doing this
All HD.. Öhlins but hei Öhlins is a Swedish company. Best you can get in the world :) Had it on alot of my builds with Snowmobiles, cars and bikes :) Never fail compare to other brands!
How is it Ducati isn’t taking part in this series???
Horrable bikes might aswel get a car
I kinda want one just so I can race sports bikes
That's cool. I really just wish they had to roll them off the showroom floor and race. Maybe change the air pressure in the tires and that's it. Go race. But will never happen because money talks.
What these guys are doing on these bikes is actually unbelievable 🥂 they are running the same lap times as the twins cup bikes😳 600 and 700 cc bikes just goes to show what $150K will get you 🥂
He never really answered the question about why the bike runs a chain instead of a belt. I believe it's because chains are more efficient in transmitting power.
I would say it’s the same as stock engine/stock cvt Honda Civic race car.......get real.
Kyle and his brother are from my area their mom owns a HD dealership the 2 brothers have been racing since they were kids great folks.
One Bad A** Ride for sure!! Let's win In 2022 HD. Super job Big K!
What kind of air cleaner is that
What's in the bag!?!?
So amazing bike❤
ST should have tbars and OHLINS... and inverted front end at least
Harley needs to make a bagger that's more race/corner focused. I like this direction
Question...Does the LRST platform qualify to run in the King of the Bagger next time?
WHATS IN THE BAGGGSSSS!?
What about the bags!!!
Awesome! I can see a future 131R in the P&A catalog lol
Excellent video
And they voided his warranty… That’s how you know if you have a performance bagger.
Obviously!!!
Amazing bike , if you ever give one away , please come find me
Awesome video !! Thanks 👍🏻🏁🏁
It’s a shorty but the head pipes are longer and equal length
❤mám buell ale tohle je peklo 😂😅👌
Cody is doing awesome in MotoAmerica as well!
This Is awesome, pretty dame cool post.
i never knew of a GP shift pattern . Very informative
Whow , wanna see them. Cant wait till the season starts . 🇨🇦