It is not very frequent to find a documentary focused on Elam land . This one is instructive, well illustrated and pleasant to follow. Thanks and congratulations for this work.
Agreed and I''m guessing you already know this but they had no written word for years so everything we know comes from the Summerians and Akkadians who were obviously biased against them in what they wrote. Have a look on the channel called The Study of Ancient Antiquity and the Middle Ages. There is a 30 minute podcast/video on there that you must listen to if you haven't done so already. I'd be right in saying we would all like Cy to make a cities video about Susa, but I also want to know about the earlier town/city/region that was central to the Elamite civilisation, AWAN... I can't find anything to help me learn about the place.
Turks homeland is eastern Siberia . The entire Central Asia was Indo Iranian homeland. (Persian, median, Scythian, sogdian, tocharian, Bactrian, Mitanni)
Maybe not strange when you have two only existing civilizations on the planet next to each other for literally thousand of years. Long existence long history exclusive wars, simple as that
@@saeedboroomand830 If you check the lur's haplogroups codes you will see that almost 90% of the DNA is same I can send those evidences by telegram if u want to
Cy, love this one. Have not really read much on Elam so I found this a great introduction to Elam. Great flow, and congrats on passing over a thousand subs!
Thank so much, glad you liked it! Yeah there's actually a good deal on Elam out there, but mostly from Mesopotamian sources. Only a fraction of the information gathered about them actually comes from Elam/southwestern Iran itself. Most archaeologists focus on the Achaemenid, Parthian or Sasanian periods. Love those periods too, but I wish more would be done to unravel some of the questions we have about the Elamites. Anyway, thanks again for stopping by...more on this series to come soon!
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds.. Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet… This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays: Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak Nowadays Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays.. But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds.. Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests.
Very fascinating. It's interesting because a lot of textbooks imply that Elam was a "state" but that is not necessarily so. It was similar to Sumer though probably more united. You mentioned trade and, as you know, I am quite interested in the finer details of pre-coin trade. Do you know any interesting details on how trade commenced between Sumerian and Elamite merchants? I'm quite skeptical of the idea that they just bartered for everything on an ad-hoc basis. How could you possibly hope to pop into a port in Ur with a ship filled with Afghan tin and just hawk it off to whoever happened to have 100 sheep or 200 barrels (or clay jars) of pig fat? Who would just happen to have this? It doesn't make sense.
Yes, the arrangements that you describe would have been quite difficult. Usually, large-scale trade agreements were made in advance of the actual transaction. For example, an ensi from a Sumerian city-state might send out letters or representatives to Susa to negotiate a deal in order to acquire tin. Once an agreement was made (for example, 5000 bushels of wheat for 2 tons of tin), only then would the appropriate transport be arranged. That was generally the case with large merchant caravans. The smaller merchant caravans, probably dealing with objects such as jewelry, trinkets and some luxury items, probably could barter in an ad-hoc way. I'm sure there were exceptions to this but from what I've read, that generally how the system worked. As always, thanks for your insightful comments and please let me know if you have any other questions...thanks again!
@@killthecensors58 the main ones are from Lagash, but I don't have copies of the primary texts describing trade between them and Elam. To see examples though of what such agreements may have looked like, check out the following: oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/letters_from_mesopotamia.pdf If you go around p. 83 and pages 85-87, you can get an idea of what such trade agreements may have looked like. Basically, it's just a sophisticated form of barter. There are other examples and if I come across the specific texts, I'll send them your way.
As usual, this video represents yet another outstanding documentary, bravo! Just a minor remark, you mentioned "year zero," which does not exist (after 1 BCE came 1 CE/AD). Cheers!
In the beginning God created heaven and earth. All the countries and nations created by only one God. World people forget God's amazing creation and his wonderful work. They forgot God, and turn their hearts to make the idols and worship them. God's first commandments.... Do not make idols and do not worship them. But people disobeyed God, still he is loving us. God sent Jesus Christ to this world for save human. If you belive in him you will be saved. Belive in him and be saved. Every civilization mentioned in bible Akkadian, sumarian, Babylon, Egyptian, Greek, Elam, Roman........ ... future coming events also...
lol Jesus is buried in Kashmir. Maybe not, but its more realistic to think he skipped town to avoid prosecution as a political dissident and followed the already well known at the time silk routes to India than to think he woke up from a three day nap and flew up to the sky.
Hi, thanks for the suggestions. I really want to learn more about ancient Georgia and the Caucasus... most of what I know about its ancient history comes from Parthian and Roman sources, so this would be a really interesting topic to further delve into. I'll take a look at it for sure, thanks!
I beleive the Elamites were an Isolate unrelated the their Arabic neighbours and the precursors to the Indus Valley , they eventually start entering India proper and have contests with the Indo Europeans.So, it was not the Indo Aryan invasion of India but the Elamite invasion of India in my opinion.Names like Warad Sin (bharat- referring to modern India), Rim Sin(Ram) etc are pointers, i,m not sure if these guys were Elamites or not.
All videos on the channel are very good, but would be even better if they had subtitles in Portuguese or Spanish. I am from Brazil, my English is very basic and precarious, which makes the seizure of information incomplete. I think all Portuguese and Spanish speakers watching the channel would be very grateful if there were subtitles in at least one of the two languages. P.S .: Written in Google translator, I apologize for any errors.
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds.. Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet… This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays: Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak Nowadays Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays.. But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds.. Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests.
@@zay7554 yes is truth the greeks is phoenicians family from north africa maroco alger old carthages most of algeryans is white becouse good climatics weather's of mediteranean, sea coast.mix brownie middle eastern like hispanics race iberyans.the blood of greeks is sea people's
Where are my south indians❤️🤗? They are our ancestors. Majorly we have elamite ancestry but we also mixed with some local australoid tribes. But whole south indians have elamite ancestry 😊
@@umax870 non sense ?? idiot or what ? tamil which is the oldetss surviving language has a god called "muruga" who is comsidered as the ancestor of tamils . he is dearly called as TAMIL GOD muruga . his exact inscription from one of the excavation matches exactly with the inscriptions in iran . did you know south indians inspit of having dark skin have caucausian features . predominantly almost more than 90% of south indians are predominantly caucausians even if they are dark . just go and see the genetics of south indians . already scientissts have studied it
The thing that I will understand about civilizations back then is why with such tiny populations sparsely spread across thousands of kilometers, early cities went through so much trouble to send armies and start conflicts with each other? Did each not have enough land and river real estate to work with? Then again, it's probably just the hyper-introvert in me imagining how lovely it would have been to have had so much space to myself that I would have never even met my nearest neighbor.
Hello, I've been going through your videos and I have a question. Some context for it: My father's side comes from the Isfahan province's village (more a city now, but not at the time he was born) of dastgerd (dastgerd-e khyar (as the village is famous in Isfahan for it's cucumbers)) (during the Pahlavi era it was apparently discovered that this was at one point an elamite village). This village is directly next to the fire temple of Isfahan and used to have a large field emptied out to form clay; there was apparently a decently sized hill formed of the residue from pottery making (this hill as well as field were removed by the government (the hill was removed as a body was found in it)). There apparently used to be (I don't remember this too well, as such I'll be asking my father as soon as possible) a certain rock (this rock was named, I remember it being a human name however I do not remember the exact name) that people would make wish and stick something (a rock if I remember correctly) on it (I am unsure as to what the entire ritual was). This rock was fairly large from descriptions I have heard; unfortunately I was unable to see this rock for myself as the Islamic Republic of Iran succeeded in demolition via dynamite using the excuse that the rock was promoting unislamic values. The information I could find on the village both in farsi and English is fairly minimal. Would you possible know anything about it or even information regarding practices similiar to the rock one? Thank you in advance, any and all help will be greatly appreciated. Note: to the knowledge of my father, no large archeological investigation has been done since the Pahlavi era; we could not find much about the Pahlavi era excavation of the village other than the fact that the village is from the elamite era (my father confirmed that there was no excavation). Also I believe the zayenderud pass by it.
you have a lot of crazies in your comment section, Cy. what's with all these people commenting obviously dubious religious, psudo-ethnic, and wildly outlandish theories?
Who knows, my guess is that fewer people these days are really willing to look at things critically and examine actual facts or evidence. That's what I think... but as I believe in free speech, I mostly let people express their views as long as they're not insulting others or using profanity...those two things I filter out in the comments. Thanks for stopping by, hope you're finding value in the content...more to come soon!
The problem is that people are suggesting a connection between Indian/ Sri Lankan peoples with Elamites since Elam means homeland in Dravidian languages & there's a theory that Elamites & the Indus valley civilisation to its East were people speaking proto-Dravidian languages ( hence the linguistic dissimilarity with others since Dravidian languages are also an isolated language family) The pseudo-ethic & race/religious hate is coming from the fact that modern Iran & Northern Indian subcontinent today are inhabited by Indo-Aryan people who are also often muslim (with each resulting from different events in around 1500BC & 600AD respectively) However any person suggesting hindu/pagan or Dravidian cultural roots is harshly attacked as "stupid cow worshipers" or "inferior races" by the various ethno-nationalist or religious supremacy groups. It's really easy for such debates to turn into a toxic pit of racism & hate rather than actual discussion of historical people & how they were linked to each other.
Joshua Stoczko So true. These crazies drag ethnicity into everything. There is a lovely RUclips channel on Gaelic music, which I really enjoy, for the music. But oh dear me, the way some of these so-called Gaelic patriots use the comments section as a platform for anti-British or anti-English hate speech is very off-putting. They all seem obsessed with ethnicity and regard it as synonymous with culture. I’m Scottish myself, and it irritates me when people - usually but not always American - who have no idea of Scottish and British history nevertheless start pontificating about it. They use crude and absurd stereotypes of Scottishness or Irishness to explain British history and foment race hatred where none exists based on atavistic grievances.
I think it partially has to do with the speculative nature of ancient history. Much of Antiquity has a relative dearth of primary source texts compared to more modern eras, and so it becomes a sort of “blank slate” for ideologues to build an imagined past that justifies their pet narratives. That’s why channels like this that provide a factual, unbiased account of history are so important.
I have a sort of complicated question to which I don't know if there is an answer. It seems kind of odd, in a way, that Elam maintained its independence from the whole Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian world for so long, despite being so close. I can see geographically how the Karun river that Elamite society was organized around had, at the time, its own separate mouth to the sea and how from there, its course moved up into the Zagros mountains and then southeast, in the opposite direction from Mesopotamia. Archaeologically, we know the Sumerians and Elamites traded by sea, perhaps also by land, with the Indus Valley civilization, as we've found artifacts from each in the other two's lands. Linguistically, we know that the languages of these three ancient civilizations have not been fully deciphered, do not seem to be related to each other, nor to any other languages, nor are they related to the Semitic languages that seems to have come in later from the back door, if you will, when the Akkadians came down following the Tigris river from the northwest. When I look at early early human migrations out of Africa, it seems most likely that we humans followed the coasts around Arabia, Iran, and India to southeast Asia and eventually Australia and east Asia. It seems reasonable that as humans migrated around the coasts, whenever a group came to the mouth of a great river, they may have, in whole or part, decided to leave the sea coast and follow that river to see where it went, thus also slowly populating more inland areas and finding their ways to other seas and oceans and river valleys, which they could have then followed back to the sea. And it also seem likely that different groups of our species followed similar paths one after another, but perhaps separated by time, perhaps related to the Sahara pump or some other geo-climatic cycle, chose different rivers to follow. I also know there are some theories that suggest a connection between Elamite language with the modern Dravidian languages of south India, which also has at least one language isolate in Balochistan. So, to me it begs the question if perhaps the reason Elam was able to maintain their cultural independence of their Sumerian, Akkadian, and Babylonian neighbors for so long is perhaps they were descended from an earlier migration out of Africa than the Sumerians and for whatever reasons, instead of following the Tigris and/or Euphrates, they followed the Karun river and were thus their ancestors were already pretty well entrenched in the lands surrounding that river by the time of the Sumerian civilization rose. Do we know anything about that, if that is a possible reasonable explanation for it taking relatively so long before Elam was assimilated into the rest of Mesopotamian civilization? A secondary question, if the Sumerians migrated into and replaced the Ubaid culture, (1) do we know when and where they came to there from and (2) is it possible there is a relationship between the Ubaid and the Elamites?
Fascinating! Someone called your videos, 'productions'... I just thought that was well deserved! Everything from the beginning through to the end is perfect! Your voice, the timing, the topic, the visuals, the direction, the sound, the flow....all seamed together in a comprehensive program! I would have been interested in these when I was in school! Really great job! Give a bow friend! 👇👏👇🌟
Wow, comments like that REALLY make my day and motivate to put out more of these. Thanks so much, that really means a lot. More to come as soon as I can put it out! Thanks again!
@@HistorywithCy Well, friend ... I watch a lot if RUclips videos and yours is right up there with the leading documentaries! I agree with Poppn, about middle eastern history - I never learned anything in school about the middle east.... Don't overdo it though! Just do it as the spirit moves you (you are also very artistic) and artists need their time! Have fun! Also, thank you for not overlaying Arabic music over your voice, to the point we can't hear you (truly a rookie mistake)! Cheers friend ! 👇👏👇🌟👇🍦❤😊
Thanks so much... the info comes from books... there are links in the description for the sources I used if you're interested in learning more. Any questions, please don't hesitate to let me know...thanks again!
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds.. Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet… This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays: Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak Nowadays Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays.. But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds.. Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests.
According to the Abrahamic religions, the Torah and the Sami myths of the present generation of human beings left behind by Noah's Flood are behind the three sons of Noah, Sam, Ham, and Japheth. [8] Everything related to them, such as the Semitic languages, the Semitic religions, etc., is called Sami.
Interesting, that was. But we have to be really really careful when dealing with Biblical Stories and Actual History. A lot of time had passed between the Bronze Age and when the Jewish Bible (OT Bible) was written. The names of cities and civilisations became lost or even changed over time. And those who wrote that bible did not have access to all the clay tablets that we have access to now. They were under 1500 years of sand by then.. .. Like there is no mention of the Summerians or Akkadians (Yes I know Ur is mentioned as being the birth place of Abraham) in that bible simply because when it was written no one alive at the time could remember (or had access to written records) what they were called and that is why they were referred to as Babylonians right up until 19th century archaeological digs gave us the information the bible scribes had no knowledge of. Another example is the Amorites mentioned in the bible are not the same Amorites in these videos. Completely different people. So as much as I find religious text fascinating, we have to be careful that we keep it separated from actual history.
Son of Shem. Just depends on which set of scribblings you choose to believe we're first. I believe the word of God was written first . nothing or no one could ever change my mind, so don't even try😀
In the Uncanon Bible Book of Jubliees, it says each son of Noah and their descendents received their own lands. Elam and his descendents portion ended being most of Pakistan and India. So I think your right.
Hi, thanks for stopping by! Yes, I've actually been to Luristan in Iran many years ago... I love the artwork from there. Thanks so much for stopping by, I really appreciate it!
Lurs are ancient people and have had a rich history both in Iran and Iraq. Sadam Hussain killed and forced many Lurs to leave Iraq. I heard that the Medes were cousins or Lurs themselves. Is that true?
Cyrus great his father was king of anshan and his mother was doughter of king of media her name was mandana.we have writing that cyrus said him self im sun of king of anshan.
*Elam is an ancient civilization of the IRANIAN PLATEAU on the EURASIAN PLATE* Elam is NOT a Mesopotamian culture Elam is NOT a Semitic culture Elam is NOT par of the _"Middle East"_
Darood kittens, chetoreh? Iroonie/Zardushti hastam. I'm assuming that you're Persian but if not, no worries. I however am of Iranian descent and Zoroastrian and extremely proud of my Persian heritage, so trust me, I take the history of my people very, VERY seriously. If you see the banner of this site, there is a Fravahar, an Old Persian inscription of Darius the Great and the Ahunavar prayer in Avesta. By the comment you've made, I'm not sure if you really watched the video. Elam is a land that is separate from Mesopotamia and its people spoke a different language. In the video I make that very, very clear - different language, culture and also religion, though there are some similarities. In fact, I say this in every video I've made where the Elamites appear. At the time, they developed alongside the people of Mesopotamia, traded and exchanged knowledge with them. I also never said in the video they were a Semitic culture or people - Elamite language is not related to any of the Semitic languages, nor is it the same as Sumerian. Also, Iran, like it or not, is geographically part of what most would consider the Middle East. There are few who would dispute this. Asadul Hasan Rasel also is correct, Elam and Elamite culture existed before that of the Persians and the Medes, who came centuries afterward. So please, watch the video and study the history of the Iran. It's a beautiful history that I'm also extremely proud of, but we have to also look at facts, and again, please watch this and other videos about Elam and realize that all of those things you're written are not said in any of my videos. Thank you.
@@HistorywithCy Dorud Dusté Gerami. I agree with you. I am just pointing out some facts for the Afro-centrists and Pan-Arabs who are claiming anything and everything as theirs
@@marmary5555 No worries my friend, I understand...I just wanted to make sure that you didn't think I said those things in the video. I appreciate your comments and thanks for stopping by. In March around Nowruz, I'll be putting out a lot of content with regard to the Achaemenid Empire, so you might be interested in that. Thanks again and I appreciate you stopping by the channel!
Iran is very, very old. Iran is the most ancient country in the world. Peace be upon Cyrus the great🙏🙏🙏🙏👑👑👑👑. Greetings to the patriotic kings of Iran.💚🤍🦁🌞👑❤️
Hi Cy...I really liked the series, very interesting...especially the conflict between Sumer and Elam...I'm curious tho about 2 things: how did the bronze age collapse effect Elam?, and what were the ties between Elam and the Harrapan or indus valley civs (ie was there an original silk road between them)?
Hi, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! From my understanding, it's hard to know because there are few records of that part of the world at that particular time. Like Assyria, Elam sort of also goes through a dark age. As far as I know there's no evidence of any groups like the Sea Peoples or other migrants swarming into Elam. The biggest effect though was probably to trade which may have dried up considerably for a while and resulted in economic hardship. With regard to question two, yes, there is a great deal of evidence in the form of seals and various account documents recording strong trade ties. Objects from IVC have been found in Elam and vice-versa. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy It seems like Elam or more specifically Anshan are the eastern edge of "civilization" this early in antiquity, but I too was interested in what was going on east of them. Things get fuzzy so far back, and obviously documentation is hard to come by, the map goes blank, concealing endless secrets.
I know the name Elam from a mid-20th century character actor, Jack Elam. He is mostly known for Westerns. It would be interesting to see a DNA test to discover if he is descended from Elamites.
The dravidians are probably descendants of proto-elamites. they share striking similarities in some of their core vocabulary, such as the words for father. The shiva lingam (a representation of the dravidian god Shiva) could possibly be the black stone in the Kaaba. The elamites were powerful rulers who ruled much of Mesopotamia. It could be possible that, ancient Arab tribes took Shiva as a god and built the kaaba.
You are right Baluchis of Pakistan s State of Baluchistan speak a language that is of Dravidian group called bruhi and they also mention the word Elam in day today s discussion talks with emphasis thank you very much for your contribution on this subject the capital of Elam was Susa and one of the title of Haryana s Yadav Clan is susothia that means from the susa/suso and these Yadavas are also found in Tamil Nadu too i have met one or two of them myself
Actually, the Ayran peoples didn't originate from Armenia, Europe nor Russia as has been falsely assumed. The Veda clearly tells us that they came down from the High Indus River, now called the Pamir River, around 3400 BC. Aryan - tillers of the ground, were also called Hyksos - shepherd kings. They were the ones who built the Indus Valley Civilization, who had established the Old Silk Roads beginning in present day Kabul Afghanistan, then called Olympia, named after the wife of Havilah, son of Cush. Note, the Kush mountains immediately to their east. They have been called the Kush (Cush) mountains long before any known written language. The Veda described these gods that came down from the heavens, the high mountains, as being white, wearing plaid woolen trousers and that navigated by the stars. They called them gods also because they lived so much longer than the dusk peoples they moved down among. They thought they were immortals. They my friend were the civilization builders. They expanded westward to the Persian gulf region and then to Egypt within 200 years giving the 'dusky' (dark) peoples an agricultural based economy with the ability to produce so much in a given area that they could sustain great populations of peoples in cities. They had done this on the other site of the Himalaya's in western China before the flood of 3519 BC. Their Ark beached on the highest peak of the Kush mountains.
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Anthropologist in the recent years have come up with this fact that modern day indian population had been the consequence of intermixing of three components namely ANI+ ASI + AASI among these ASI said to have been originated in the region of Zagros Mountain,Iran . It's been said that these group of people were agriculturist who've migrated to India prior to Aryan. I wonder if the elamites had any connections to the people who were in the Zagros region and were they anyway related to the dravidian ?
@Adolf Hitler Thanks! But honestly I was expecting response from the creator of the video or possibly from someone who can provide some genuine insight
@Adolf Hitler In fact I wasn't that keen in the linguistic part per say rather I am more interested in knowing the potential genetic affilation they have had with the Indian ASI component . Information on internet seems to be ambiguous for my liking and honestly lot of things they write go straight over my head nevertheless I am still learning .
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds.. Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet… This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays: Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak Nowadays Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays.. But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds.. Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests..
@@AGHaxio yes, because Iran want to change Kurdish lurs & separate them, Turkey want change kurdish Zazaki & separate them from kurds but they can’t because lurs & zazaki they are claiming to be kurds…
most of the words you talking about is language Tamil in the video...also the place name that are mentioned in the maps are Tamil..i can easy understand ......Tamil is the ancient classical language if you refer it..
Elam (English pronunciation of ) and Tami Eelam are two different things. It's a coincident that Tami Eelam is pronounced the same. The original pronunciation of ELam as mentioned in the video is Haltamti.
They were Ancestor of lurs people in zagros , they changed thier language in parthian empire period from elimaitian to lurish and lakish ( languages of lur people ) viva Lur people ❤❤
@R-st2um The closest genetic composition to the Elamites is the genetic composition of the Lur people, there is no reason for the Elamites to be Semitic
@@shutruk-nahunte3309 they were the ancestors of the present day Baluchistan (Baluchis) yes i have met them they are from Pakistan s state of Baluchistan they mention the name of Elam in their day today s talks with aw
Much of the Sumerian Babylonian ancestry is ancient cushite pushing pass the ancestral boundaries of land into the schematic territories to which the Arabian peninsula and part of East Africa was to be schematic ancestry and everything east of the Nile was to be Khemite Cushite and Canaanite east of the Nile to the borders of the mountains through Israel
Yeah, it's speculated that the original proto-dravidian people migrated into India from the Iranian region atleast 10,000-8000 BC. So they may have common origin.
@GeekTv For Geek you know nothing about genetics or history. The dravidians could very well not of been dark skinned, the British made that up to fit their supremacist racial science nonsense. Even if they were pretty dark skinned (which they probably were) it would be because of living in a desert for so long and then moving south into india.
this is part of a current feud between Iraq and Iran. the current one dates back to 1979 following Saddam Hussein's bloodless coup and Ruhollah Khomeini's rise in Iran in the same year sparking the Iraqi Iranian war.
Hello, I am an Arab resident of Shush, and I would like to know the truth about the race and origin of the people of Elam. Did we Arabs of this region really enter this land according to what the government tells us, or were we the original people of this region? Because in Iran, the Elamites are considered an Iranian people?
We Slavs are decended from the Sarmatians, Elamites and Medes. Many Slavic words come from Elamites locations. Ancient Slavic tribes are named after derivatives of Elamite locations as well.
Elamites were %100 black and of african decent the reason they dont want them to be black because they are in the bible and they were hebrew and that means ancient jews were black which is not a welcomed news to every jew
Were they practicing a similar religion to those of India (the so called aryans which were inhabiting both lands).? Or were the pastoralist persians that came from the Zagros the actual aryans?
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! Good question, not sure. My guess would be that a lot of it was destroyed at various times during invasions, but another reason could also be that there have been far fewer excavations of Elamite sites than those of Mesopotamia. Just my opinion though. Thanks again for the comments, really appreciate them!
@@HistorywithCy Maybe it's because Persia was not colonised by any European powers (apart from the joint British/Russian occupation during the two world wars) so foreign antiquarians and archaeologists never had a free hand there.
the mountains of Zagros seems to be a place for many prophets like Musa, I think the origin of the modern God in civilization was somewhere like Elimate, and also in pre-historic era in Zagros, maybe the older God were appeared and ordered the farmers and people what to do..... Emilate where is the highest point to the God in whole Mesopotamia !
Elamites were really unique group of people there language was language isolated like Sumerian, do you think that somehow Sumerian people and Elamites were related?
Great speaker and you spoke on all these kingdoms of past 5000 years of info - Eourpean people but look now they are under Iranian, Arabs, Syria and Turkish brutalities. See, look and follow the politic and geography of the region today you will see Who is Who and all these you mentioned in your videos on all kingdom are still exist. Justice is gone with wind
But where did they come from? We’re they nomads who settled along the Mesopotamian cities and tried to emulate their culture? I read that the Elamite language was a language isolate also. So where they of the same family of the Sumerians who didn’t settle down until much later?
Did they related to the modern day awan tribes of Pakistan because awan tribes don't have link to any ancient hindu history or arab history or Afghan history
Thank you! There was never a year 0 with this calendar. Rarely any calendar has a year 0. Historical calendars started with the first (year 1) year depending how it is calculated; usually by the reign of an emperor.
What is the spread of bull worship in the Bronze Age? In the Mediterranean and the Fertile Crescent and the Indus Valley... It seems sort of ubiquitous
@@HistorywithCy Looking forward to it if you decide to! You stay safe as well! This world is full of so much craziness, that looking into the past is one of the only things we can use to deal with our present. So thank you for that! 😁👍🏽
Hello, I am an Arab resident of Shush, and I would like to know the truth about the race and origin of the people of Elam. Did we Arabs of this region really enter this land according to what the government tells us, or were we the original people of this region? Because in Iran, the Elamites are considered an Iranian people?
Elam is the tamil name of cardamom . The ancient tamil people travelled and trade with many countries around the world through the oceans. The names of the places like Ur and Uruk are related with the tamil names . Ur means the living place of the people.e.g Melur, Karur, Velur .Etc. Thank you.
@@cristyaugustin4624 brother, i can connect tupi guarani with japanese if i want. nitpicked words dont mean anything, and elam was way too far from south india for it to mean anything
Jesus in the bible is a metaphor for the Sun. The light of the world, nothing else light the world but the Sun. It's our risen saviour, if the Sun doesn't come up in the mornings we will be dead in 3-4 weeks because of the freezing cold. The way,( the zodiac ways of the stars) the truth( you can't see the truth in the dark, only in the light when the Sun is up) the light, again the Sun is the light of the world. So it's December the 25th the sun's birthday period
It is not very frequent to find a documentary focused on Elam land . This one is instructive, well illustrated and pleasant to follow. Thanks and congratulations for this work.
Agreed and I''m guessing you already know this but they had no written word for years so everything we know comes from the Summerians and Akkadians who were obviously biased against them in what they wrote.
Have a look on the channel called The Study of Ancient Antiquity and the Middle Ages. There is a 30 minute podcast/video on there that you must listen to if you haven't done so already.
I'd be right in saying we would all like Cy to make a cities video about Susa, but I also want to know about the earlier town/city/region that was central to the Elamite civilisation, AWAN... I can't find anything to help me learn about the place.
@@harryedwards4080 Thanks Harry for your answer, I'll see this channel.
Cy please do an episode about the Dunabe Valley Civilisation or the Thracians. Thanks in advance 🙏
Where are those turks here to claim turks are the oldest civilians of middle east?🤣🤣🤣
Dormant
Turks homeland is eastern Siberia . The entire Central Asia was Indo Iranian homeland. (Persian, median, Scythian, sogdian, tocharian, Bactrian, Mitanni)
Sumeria and Elam fighting. Iraq and Iran fighting. Somethings never change.
Total wrong ...
@@oceanofregret Comment was 1 year ago. Who cares.
@@oceanofregret Well the 11 likes do not really agrees with you.
Maybe not strange when you have two only existing civilizations on the planet next to each other for literally thousand of years. Long existence long history exclusive wars, simple as that
Strange that all sort of people set up shop in Sumerian but the neighbors prefered to just raid and maybe demand tribute from the city states
Thanks for the comment and stopping by the channel!
I'm Iranian and I'm proud of my country and my ethnic group the Lur people is the inheritors of Elamites
Do you believed God?
Iran has such a great history. Many thousand years. Very impressing.
Pre Aryan Iranians
How do you know you are Elamite? They were dissolved into Iranian tribes.
@@saeedboroomand830 If you check the lur's haplogroups codes you will see that almost 90% of the DNA is same I can send those evidences by telegram if u want to
Cy, love this one. Have not really read much on Elam so I found this a great introduction to Elam. Great flow, and congrats on passing over a thousand subs!
Thank so much, glad you liked it! Yeah there's actually a good deal on Elam out there, but mostly from Mesopotamian sources. Only a fraction of the information gathered about them actually comes from Elam/southwestern Iran itself. Most archaeologists focus on the Achaemenid, Parthian or Sasanian periods. Love those periods too, but I wish more would be done to unravel some of the questions we have about the Elamites.
Anyway, thanks again for stopping by...more on this series to come soon!
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds..
Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet…
This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays:
Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak
Nowadays
Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays
Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays
Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays..
But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds..
Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests.
Very fascinating. It's interesting because a lot of textbooks imply that Elam was a "state" but that is not necessarily so. It was similar to Sumer though probably more united.
You mentioned trade and, as you know, I am quite interested in the finer details of pre-coin trade. Do you know any interesting details on how trade commenced between Sumerian and Elamite merchants? I'm quite skeptical of the idea that they just bartered for everything on an ad-hoc basis. How could you possibly hope to pop into a port in Ur with a ship filled with Afghan tin and just hawk it off to whoever happened to have 100 sheep or 200 barrels (or clay jars) of pig fat? Who would just happen to have this? It doesn't make sense.
Yes, the arrangements that you describe would have been quite difficult. Usually, large-scale trade agreements were made in advance of the actual transaction. For example, an ensi from a Sumerian city-state might send out letters or representatives to Susa to negotiate a deal in order to acquire tin. Once an agreement was made (for example, 5000 bushels of wheat for 2 tons of tin), only then would the appropriate transport be arranged. That was generally the case with large merchant caravans. The smaller merchant caravans, probably dealing with objects such as jewelry, trinkets and some luxury items, probably could barter in an ad-hoc way. I'm sure there were exceptions to this but from what I've read, that generally how the system worked. As always, thanks for your insightful comments and please let me know if you have any other questions...thanks again!
@@HistorywithCy Are there any Sumerian letters that you know of recording this? I'd be very interested in locating one.
@@killthecensors58 the main ones are from Lagash, but I don't have copies of the primary texts describing trade between them and Elam.
To see examples though of what such agreements may have looked like, check out the following:
oi.uchicago.edu/sites/oi.uchicago.edu/files/uploads/shared/docs/letters_from_mesopotamia.pdf
If you go around p. 83 and pages 85-87, you can get an idea of what such trade agreements may have looked like. Basically, it's just a sophisticated form of barter.
There are other examples and if I come across the specific texts, I'll send them your way.
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The real Israelites are awaken from slumbering.
Christ is whom I call upon.
The lion of the tribe of Judah.
Asherites are with Christ.
As usual, this video represents yet another outstanding documentary, bravo! Just a minor remark, you mentioned "year zero," which does not exist (after 1 BCE came 1 CE/AD). Cheers!
In the beginning God created heaven and earth. All the countries and nations created by only one God. World people forget God's amazing creation and his wonderful work. They forgot God, and turn their hearts to make the idols and worship them. God's first commandments....
Do not make idols and do not worship them. But people disobeyed God, still he is loving us. God sent Jesus Christ to this world for save human. If you belive in him you will be saved.
Belive in him and be saved.
Every civilization mentioned in bible
Akkadian, sumarian,
Babylon, Egyptian, Greek, Elam, Roman........ ... future coming events also...
lol Jesus is buried in Kashmir. Maybe not, but its more realistic to think he skipped town to avoid prosecution as a political dissident and followed the already well known at the time silk routes to India than to think he woke up from a three day nap and flew up to the sky.
Requesting a video on ancient Caucasia, Iberia Kartli, and Diaouehi.
Hi, thanks for the suggestions. I really want to learn more about ancient Georgia and the Caucasus... most of what I know about its ancient history comes from Parthian and Roman sources, so this would be a really interesting topic to further delve into. I'll take a look at it for sure, thanks!
@ what did he say to you
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I beleive the Elamites were an Isolate unrelated the their Arabic neighbours and the precursors to the Indus Valley , they eventually start entering India proper and have contests with the Indo Europeans.So, it was not the Indo Aryan invasion of India but the Elamite invasion of India in my opinion.Names like Warad Sin (bharat- referring to modern India), Rim Sin(Ram) etc are pointers, i,m not sure if these guys were Elamites or not.
All videos on the channel are very good, but would be even better if they had subtitles in Portuguese or Spanish.
I am from Brazil, my English is very basic and precarious, which makes the seizure of information incomplete.
I think all Portuguese and Spanish speakers watching the channel would be very grateful if there were subtitles in at least one of the two languages.
P.S .: Written in Google translator, I apologize for any errors.
Vou tentar pra vc... valeu cara!
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds..
Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet…
This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays:
Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak
Nowadays
Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays
Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays
Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays..
But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds..
Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests.
Keep up the great work, Middle eastern history is fascinating!
Thank you, glad you liked it! More to come soon!
Eros Delorenzi what’s your source?
Eros Delorenzi May you guide me to some article that supports that ‘the Caucasian race is North Africa’?
@@zay7554 yes is truth the greeks is phoenicians family from north africa maroco alger old carthages most of algeryans is white becouse good climatics weather's of mediteranean, sea coast.mix brownie middle eastern like hispanics race iberyans.the blood of greeks is sea people's
Where are my south indians❤️🤗? They are our ancestors. Majorly we have elamite ancestry but we also mixed with some local australoid tribes. But whole south indians have elamite ancestry 😊
No Elamites never invaded India
@@sssppp6962 More likely south Indians migrated to Iran
Nonsense.
@@umax870 non sense ?? idiot or what ? tamil which is the oldetss surviving language has a god called "muruga" who is comsidered as the ancestor of tamils . he is dearly called as TAMIL GOD muruga . his exact inscription from one of the excavation matches exactly with the inscriptions in iran . did you know south indians inspit of having dark skin have caucausian features . predominantly almost more than 90% of south indians are predominantly caucausians even if they are dark . just go and see the genetics of south indians . already scientissts have studied it
a high percent of iranian dna come back to elamit people.
J2-m172 haplogrop is perdominebt in Middleeadt, cacause and Iran
Thank you for taking the time to keep making these, Cy. Always a pleasure to watch. Moving on to part 2!
Thank you! Parts 4 and 5 in the works...
The thing that I will understand about civilizations back then is why with such tiny populations sparsely spread across thousands of kilometers, early cities went through so much trouble to send armies and start conflicts with each other? Did each not have enough land and river real estate to work with? Then again, it's probably just the hyper-introvert in me imagining how lovely it would have been to have had so much space to myself that I would have never even met my nearest neighbor.
What do you think of the hypothesis that the Elamite language was part of the Dravidian language family?
iranians languages is proto sanskrit farsy aramaics language's dravidians is tamill malaezia mix
@@justman1881 Sanskrit ? Whatttttt we not Indians or pakistani , we Aryan races that mixed between native Middle Eastern and Russians
Hello, I've been going through your videos and I have a question.
Some context for it:
My father's side comes from the Isfahan province's village (more a city now, but not at the time he was born) of dastgerd (dastgerd-e khyar (as the village is famous in Isfahan for it's cucumbers)) (during the Pahlavi era it was apparently discovered that this was at one point an elamite village). This village is directly next to the fire temple of Isfahan and used to have a large field emptied out to form clay; there was apparently a decently sized hill formed of the residue from pottery making (this hill as well as field were removed by the government (the hill was removed as a body was found in it)). There apparently used to be (I don't remember this too well, as such I'll be asking my father as soon as possible) a certain rock (this rock was named, I remember it being a human name however I do not remember the exact name) that people would make wish and stick something (a rock if I remember correctly) on it (I am unsure as to what the entire ritual was). This rock was fairly large from descriptions I have heard; unfortunately I was unable to see this rock for myself as the Islamic Republic of Iran succeeded in demolition via dynamite using the excuse that the rock was promoting unislamic values.
The information I could find on the village both in farsi and English is fairly minimal. Would you possible know anything about it or even information regarding practices similiar to the rock one? Thank you in advance, any and all help will be greatly appreciated.
Note: to the knowledge of my father, no large archeological investigation has been done since the Pahlavi era; we could not find much about the Pahlavi era excavation of the village other than the fact that the village is from the elamite era (my father confirmed that there was no excavation). Also I believe the zayenderud pass by it.
you have a lot of crazies in your comment section, Cy. what's with all these people commenting obviously dubious religious, psudo-ethnic, and wildly outlandish theories?
Who knows, my guess is that fewer people these days are really willing to look at things critically and examine actual facts or evidence. That's what I think... but as I believe in free speech, I mostly let people express their views as long as they're not insulting others or using profanity...those two things I filter out in the comments. Thanks for stopping by, hope you're finding value in the content...more to come soon!
The problem is that people are suggesting a connection between Indian/ Sri Lankan peoples with Elamites since Elam means homeland in Dravidian languages & there's a theory that Elamites & the Indus valley civilisation to its East were people speaking proto-Dravidian languages ( hence the linguistic dissimilarity with others since Dravidian languages are also an isolated language family)
The pseudo-ethic & race/religious hate is coming from the fact that modern Iran & Northern Indian subcontinent today are inhabited by Indo-Aryan people who are also often muslim (with each resulting from different events in around 1500BC & 600AD respectively)
However any person suggesting hindu/pagan or Dravidian cultural roots is harshly attacked as "stupid cow worshipers" or "inferior races" by the various ethno-nationalist or religious supremacy groups.
It's really easy for such debates to turn into a toxic pit of racism & hate rather than actual discussion of historical people & how they were linked to each other.
Joshua Stoczko So true. These crazies drag ethnicity into everything. There is a lovely RUclips channel on Gaelic music, which I really enjoy, for the music. But oh dear me, the way some of these so-called Gaelic patriots use the comments section as a platform for anti-British or anti-English hate speech is very off-putting. They all seem obsessed with ethnicity and regard it as synonymous with culture. I’m Scottish myself, and it irritates me when people - usually but not always American - who have no idea of Scottish and British history nevertheless start pontificating about it. They use crude and absurd stereotypes of Scottishness or Irishness to explain British history and foment race hatred where none exists based on atavistic grievances.
History with Cy 👏🏼⭐️ Well said.
I think it partially has to do with the speculative nature of ancient history. Much of Antiquity has a relative dearth of primary source texts compared to more modern eras, and so it becomes a sort of “blank slate” for ideologues to build an imagined past that justifies their pet narratives. That’s why channels like this that provide a factual, unbiased account of history are so important.
I have a sort of complicated question to which I don't know if there is an answer. It seems kind of odd, in a way, that Elam maintained its independence from the whole Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian world for so long, despite being so close. I can see geographically how the Karun river that Elamite society was organized around had, at the time, its own separate mouth to the sea and how from there, its course moved up into the Zagros mountains and then southeast, in the opposite direction from Mesopotamia.
Archaeologically, we know the Sumerians and Elamites traded by sea, perhaps also by land, with the Indus Valley civilization, as we've found artifacts from each in the other two's lands. Linguistically, we know that the languages of these three ancient civilizations have not been fully deciphered, do not seem to be related to each other, nor to any other languages, nor are they related to the Semitic languages that seems to have come in later from the back door, if you will, when the Akkadians came down following the Tigris river from the northwest.
When I look at early early human migrations out of Africa, it seems most likely that we humans followed the coasts around Arabia, Iran, and India to southeast Asia and eventually Australia and east Asia. It seems reasonable that as humans migrated around the coasts, whenever a group came to the mouth of a great river, they may have, in whole or part, decided to leave the sea coast and follow that river to see where it went, thus also slowly populating more inland areas and finding their ways to other seas and oceans and river valleys, which they could have then followed back to the sea. And it also seem likely that different groups of our species followed similar paths one after another, but perhaps separated by time, perhaps related to the Sahara pump or some other geo-climatic cycle, chose different rivers to follow. I also know there are some theories that suggest a connection between Elamite language with the modern Dravidian languages of south India, which also has at least one language isolate in Balochistan.
So, to me it begs the question if perhaps the reason Elam was able to maintain their cultural independence of their Sumerian, Akkadian, and Babylonian neighbors for so long is perhaps they were descended from an earlier migration out of Africa than the Sumerians and for whatever reasons, instead of following the Tigris and/or Euphrates, they followed the Karun river and were thus their ancestors were already pretty well entrenched in the lands surrounding that river by the time of the Sumerian civilization rose. Do we know anything about that, if that is a possible reasonable explanation for it taking relatively so long before Elam was assimilated into the rest of Mesopotamian civilization?
A secondary question, if the Sumerians migrated into and replaced the Ubaid culture, (1) do we know when and where they came to there from and (2) is it possible there is a relationship between the Ubaid and the Elamites?
Fascinating! Someone called your videos, 'productions'... I just thought that was well deserved! Everything from the beginning through to the end is perfect! Your voice, the timing, the topic, the visuals, the direction, the sound, the flow....all seamed together in a comprehensive program! I would have been interested in these when I was in school! Really great job! Give a bow friend! 👇👏👇🌟
Wow, comments like that REALLY make my day and motivate to put out more of these. Thanks so much, that really means a lot. More to come as soon as I can put it out! Thanks again!
@@HistorywithCy Well, friend ... I watch a lot if RUclips videos and yours is right up there with the leading documentaries! I agree with Poppn, about middle eastern history - I never learned anything in school about the middle east.... Don't overdo it though! Just do it as the spirit moves you (you are also very artistic) and artists need their time! Have fun! Also, thank you for not overlaying Arabic music over your voice, to the point we can't hear you (truly a rookie mistake)! Cheers friend ! 👇👏👇🌟👇🍦❤😊
Where do you get all of this information from Cy???? Your a wealth of knowledge.
Thanks so much... the info comes from books... there are links in the description for the sources I used if you're interested in learning more. Any questions, please don't hesitate to let me know...thanks again!
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds..
Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet…
This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays:
Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak
Nowadays
Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays
Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays
Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays..
But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds..
Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests.
From Iran government for faking history
Srilanka also called Elam they are the Tamil peoples.They called villages oor(ur) its Tamil peoples culture,nobody have it.
Elam was the oldest son of Shem,son of Noah.After the event at Babel,Elam took his family groups to what is now Iran.This happened circa 2300bc.
iran is esau brother's of yacov Israel
According to the Abrahamic religions, the Torah and the Sami myths of the present generation of human beings left behind by Noah's Flood are behind the three sons of Noah, Sam, Ham, and Japheth. [8] Everything related to them, such as the Semitic languages, the Semitic religions, etc., is called Sami.
Table of nations!
Interesting, that was.
But we have to be really really careful when dealing with Biblical Stories and Actual History.
A lot of time had passed between the Bronze Age and when the Jewish Bible (OT Bible) was written.
The names of cities and civilisations became lost or even changed over time. And those who wrote that bible did not have access to all the clay tablets that we have access to now. They were under 1500 years of sand by then..
.. Like there is no mention of the Summerians or Akkadians (Yes I know Ur is mentioned as being the birth place of Abraham) in that bible simply because when it was written no one alive at the time could remember (or had access to written records) what they were called and that is why they were referred to as Babylonians right up until 19th century archaeological digs gave us the information the bible scribes had no knowledge of.
Another example is the Amorites mentioned in the bible are not the same Amorites in these videos. Completely different people.
So as much as I find religious text fascinating, we have to be careful that we keep it separated from actual history.
@@harryedwards4080 That's right the Khanaanite Amorites were Asiatic invaders of c.3400BCE.
Perhaps an update on the Ebla culture?
Son of Shem. Just depends on which set of scribblings you choose to believe we're first. I believe the word of God was written first . nothing or no one could ever change my mind, so don't even try😀
I never heard that from believers.not that the bible always existed .most believe its inspired by God written by man.
There Is new Theory that relatives of Elamites who migrated from Ealam started The Dravidian culture in India.
In the Uncanon Bible Book of Jubliees, it says each son of Noah and their descendents received their own lands. Elam and his descendents portion ended being most of Pakistan and India. So I think your right.
nice brief breakdowns of these "cultures"thx. new sub
Thank you! More to come soon!
We are lurs.direct descendents of Elamites.we are over 10 milion people and we have lots of traditions and even clothes of ancient time
Hi, thanks for stopping by! Yes, I've actually been to Luristan in Iran many years ago... I love the artwork from there.
Thanks so much for stopping by, I really appreciate it!
@@HistorywithCy thanks for your nice video💙
Lurs are ancient people and have had a rich history both in Iran and Iraq. Sadam Hussain killed and forced many Lurs to leave Iraq. I heard that the Medes were cousins or Lurs themselves. Is that true?
Lurs belong to kurds
@@sizaromo lurs and kurds belong to iran🇮🇷✔️🤝
Cyrus great his father was king of anshan and his mother was doughter of king of media her name was mandana.we have writing that cyrus said him self im sun of king of anshan.
*Elam is an ancient civilization of the IRANIAN PLATEAU on the EURASIAN PLATE*
Elam is NOT a Mesopotamian culture
Elam is NOT a Semitic culture
Elam is NOT par of the _"Middle East"_
Darood kittens, chetoreh? Iroonie/Zardushti hastam. I'm assuming that you're Persian but if not, no worries. I however am of Iranian descent and Zoroastrian and extremely proud of my Persian heritage, so trust me, I take the history of my people very, VERY seriously. If you see the banner of this site, there is a Fravahar, an Old Persian inscription of Darius the Great and the Ahunavar prayer in Avesta.
By the comment you've made, I'm not sure if you really watched the video. Elam is a land that is separate from Mesopotamia and its people spoke a different language. In the video I make that very, very clear - different language, culture and also religion, though there are some similarities. In fact, I say this in every video I've made where the Elamites appear. At the time, they developed alongside the people of Mesopotamia, traded and exchanged knowledge with them. I also never said in the video they were a Semitic culture or people - Elamite language is not related to any of the Semitic languages, nor is it the same as Sumerian. Also, Iran, like it or not, is geographically part of what most would consider the Middle East. There are few who would dispute this.
Asadul Hasan Rasel also is correct, Elam and Elamite culture existed before that of the Persians and the Medes, who came centuries afterward.
So please, watch the video and study the history of the Iran. It's a beautiful history that I'm also extremely proud of, but we have to also look at facts, and again, please watch this and other videos about Elam and realize that all of those things you're written are not said in any of my videos.
Thank you.
@Asadul Hasan Rasel Thank you, what you say is correct, and I say this as one who is of Iranian-Zoroastrian descent.
@@HistorywithCy Dorud Dusté Gerami.
I agree with you. I am just pointing out some facts for the Afro-centrists and Pan-Arabs who are claiming anything and everything as theirs
@Asadul Hasan Rasel and they were definitely not Semitic either.
@@marmary5555 No worries my friend, I understand...I just wanted to make sure that you didn't think I said those things in the video. I appreciate your comments and thanks for stopping by. In March around Nowruz, I'll be putting out a lot of content with regard to the Achaemenid Empire, so you might be interested in that. Thanks again and I appreciate you stopping by the channel!
Iran is very, very old. Iran is the most ancient country in the world. Peace be upon Cyrus the great🙏🙏🙏🙏👑👑👑👑. Greetings to the patriotic kings of Iran.💚🤍🦁🌞👑❤️
Awesome production
Thank you!
They were Kushites along with the Susans
Hi Cy...I really liked the series, very interesting...especially the conflict between Sumer and Elam...I'm curious tho about 2 things: how did the bronze age collapse effect Elam?, and what were the ties between Elam and the Harrapan or indus valley civs (ie was there an original silk road between them)?
Hi, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! From my understanding, it's hard to know because there are few records of that part of the world at that particular time. Like Assyria, Elam sort of also goes through a dark age. As far as I know there's no evidence of any groups like the Sea Peoples or other migrants swarming into Elam. The biggest effect though was probably to trade which may have dried up considerably for a while and resulted in economic hardship.
With regard to question two, yes, there is a great deal of evidence in the form of seals and various account documents recording strong trade ties. Objects from IVC have been found in Elam and vice-versa.
Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy It seems like Elam or more specifically Anshan are the eastern edge of "civilization" this early in antiquity, but I too was interested in what was going on east of them. Things get fuzzy so far back, and obviously documentation is hard to come by, the map goes blank, concealing endless secrets.
ejlam or eylam was the first son of shem brother of jafeth and cham, which are sons of noach.
The province or city of elam is still in Iran and its people are called Elamite
No dear that is ilam named in 1312 by reza shah
I know the name Elam from a mid-20th century character actor, Jack Elam. He is mostly known for Westerns. It would be interesting to see a DNA test to discover if he is descended from Elamites.
I wish I could like the video more than 1 time. Keep the good work up Cy.
Bro this was great I have Iranian friends from that area who look elamite
Eelam is a country in Srilankan island
Tamils in Sri Lanka call their part of the country as Tamil Elam. You may know tamil is the oldest surviving classical language
The dravidians are probably descendants of proto-elamites.
they share striking similarities in some of their core vocabulary, such as the words for father.
The shiva lingam (a representation of the dravidian god Shiva) could possibly be the black stone in the Kaaba.
The elamites were powerful rulers who ruled much of Mesopotamia. It could be possible that, ancient Arab tribes took Shiva as a god and built the kaaba.
You are right Baluchis of Pakistan s State of Baluchistan speak a language that is of Dravidian group called bruhi and they also mention the word Elam in day today s discussion talks with emphasis thank you very much for your contribution on this subject the capital of Elam was Susa and one of the title of Haryana s Yadav Clan is susothia that means from the susa/suso and these Yadavas are also found in Tamil Nadu too i have met one or two of them myself
Caucasus have a civilisations link with proto Aryan... Migrating to India pl make a video on Armenia.. Ajerbaizan links with India Aryan
Actually, the Ayran peoples didn't originate from Armenia, Europe nor Russia as has been falsely assumed. The Veda clearly tells us that they came down from the High Indus River, now called the Pamir River, around 3400 BC. Aryan - tillers of the ground, were also called Hyksos - shepherd kings. They were the ones who built the Indus Valley Civilization, who had established the Old Silk Roads beginning in present day Kabul Afghanistan, then called Olympia, named after the wife of Havilah, son of Cush. Note, the Kush mountains immediately to their east. They have been called the Kush (Cush) mountains long before any known written language. The Veda described these gods that came down from the heavens, the high mountains, as being white, wearing plaid woolen trousers and that navigated by the stars. They called them gods also because they lived so much longer than the dusk peoples they moved down among. They thought they were immortals. They my friend were the civilization builders. They expanded westward to the Persian gulf region and then to Egypt within 200 years giving the 'dusky' (dark) peoples an agricultural based economy with the ability to produce so much in a given area that they could sustain great populations of peoples in cities. They had done this on the other site of the Himalaya's in western China before the flood of 3519 BC. Their Ark beached on the highest peak of the Kush mountains.
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Ancient iran ?
Yes, specifically today what are the provinces of Khuzistan, Fars and Illam.
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Anthropologist in the recent years have come up with this fact that modern day indian population had been the consequence of intermixing of three components namely ANI+ ASI + AASI among these ASI said to have been originated in the region of Zagros Mountain,Iran . It's been said that these group of people were agriculturist who've migrated to India prior to Aryan. I wonder if the elamites had any connections to the people who were in the Zagros region and were they anyway related to the dravidian ?
@Adolf Hitler Thanks! But honestly I was expecting response from the creator of the video or possibly from someone who can provide some genuine insight
@Adolf Hitler In fact I wasn't that keen in the linguistic part per say rather I am more interested in knowing the potential genetic affilation they have had with the Indian ASI component . Information on internet seems to be ambiguous for my liking and honestly lot of things they write go straight over my head nevertheless I am still learning .
Elamite is Zagros mountain ancestors, they are part of Kurds, you never mentioned Kurds. They are Kurds lur people, and they are still considered themselves as Kurds..
Depending on this channel 70 millions kurdish are from mars or another planet…
This is a real historical in ancient word and nowadays:
Ancient Elamites are Kurds lur & Lak
Nowadays
Ancient Gotties & lullabies & kassite are Kurds fayli & southern Kurds people nowadays
Ancient Medes are Kurds sorani nowadays
Ancient hurries & sobarto are Kurds kurmanj nowadays..
But this channel talk about them without mentioning Kurds..
Anything this channel said is not pure history is faking history for Iran interests..
Last time I check whole Kurdish people are 40 million
@@AGHaxio yes, because Iran want to change Kurdish lurs & separate them, Turkey want change kurdish Zazaki & separate them from kurds but they can’t because lurs & zazaki they are claiming to be kurds…
most of the words you talking about is language Tamil in the video...also the place name that are mentioned in the maps are Tamil..i can easy understand ......Tamil is the ancient classical language if you refer it..
Thanks for sharing!
Yeah right...
Elam (English pronunciation of ) and Tami Eelam are two different things. It's a coincident that Tami Eelam is pronounced the same. The original pronunciation of ELam as mentioned in the video is Haltamti.
They were Ancestor of lurs people in zagros , they changed thier language in parthian empire period from elimaitian to lurish and lakish ( languages of lur people ) viva Lur people ❤❤
Lurs are kurdish tribe
@@mehmetdereroberer5553 funny 😂😂😂 but its not ture 😐 we are not kird !
@R-st2um The closest genetic composition to the Elamites is the genetic composition of the Lur people, there is no reason for the Elamites to be Semitic
Elam were the ancestors of the present day Baluches
Nope.lurs not baluch.even their clothes
What
@@shutruk-nahunte3309 they were the ancestors of the present day Baluchistan (Baluchis) yes i have met them they are from Pakistan s state of Baluchistan they mention the name of Elam in their day today s talks with aw
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Is it accurate that Elamites had ships at their disposal? I couldn't quite understand how that made sense.
the ones on the coast would....
Much of the Sumerian Babylonian ancestry is ancient cushite pushing pass the ancestral boundaries of land into the schematic territories to which the Arabian peninsula and part of East Africa was to be schematic ancestry and everything east of the Nile was to be Khemite Cushite and Canaanite east of the Nile to the borders of the mountains through Israel
At 4:15 is stated: Think of what Rome was like in the year ZERO! Sorry, but there never was a year ZERO. History went straight from 1 BC to 1 AD.
This words connective Tamil words
ஈழம் or இளம்
Yeah, it's speculated that the original proto-dravidian people migrated into India from the Iranian region atleast 10,000-8000 BC. So they may have common origin.
Arkadeep Kundu not pro dravidian ..
Pro Tamil...
@@arkadeepkundu4729 no migration should have happened from Indus as it had started way earlier than Mesopotamian
@GeekTv For Geek you know nothing about genetics or history.
The dravidians could very well not of been dark skinned, the British made that up to fit their supremacist racial science nonsense.
Even if they were pretty dark skinned (which they probably were) it would be because of living in a desert for so long and then moving south into india.
@@alex-sv8ru Elamites were also dark skinned but caucasoids
this is part of a current feud between Iraq and Iran. the current one dates back to 1979 following Saddam Hussein's bloodless coup and Ruhollah Khomeini's rise in Iran in the same year sparking the Iraqi Iranian war.
Hello, I am an Arab resident of Shush, and I would like to know the truth about the race and origin of the people of Elam. Did we Arabs of this region really enter this land according to what the government tells us, or were we the original people of this region? Because in Iran, the Elamites are considered an Iranian people?
We Slavs are decended from the Sarmatians, Elamites and Medes. Many Slavic words come from Elamites locations. Ancient Slavic tribes are named after derivatives of Elamite locations as well.
My last name is Elam!
This is an excellent channel mate. 👍
Thank you, I really appreciate the kind words... more to come soon!
Elamites were %100 black and of african decent the reason they dont want them to be black because they are in the bible and they were hebrew and that means ancient jews were black which is not a welcomed news to every jew
Were they practicing a similar religion to those of India (the so called aryans which were inhabiting both lands).? Or were the pastoralist persians that came from the Zagros the actual aryans?
Why so little Elam writing records / sources?
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! Good question, not sure. My guess would be that a lot of it was destroyed at various times during invasions, but another reason could also be that there have been far fewer excavations of Elamite sites than those of Mesopotamia. Just my opinion though.
Thanks again for the comments, really appreciate them!
@@HistorywithCy Maybe it's because Persia was not colonised by any European powers (apart from the joint British/Russian occupation during the two world wars) so foreign antiquarians and archaeologists never had a free hand there.
the mountains of Zagros seems to be a place for many prophets like Musa, I think the origin of the modern God in civilization was somewhere like Elimate, and also in pre-historic era in Zagros, maybe the older God were appeared and ordered the farmers and people what to do..... Emilate where is the highest point to the God in whole Mesopotamia !
Does anybody know anything about slavery in elam? I need to know for my NHD project
They were black before the turks came
we wuz elamite n shiet
Elamites were really unique group of people there language was language isolated like Sumerian, do you think that somehow Sumerian people and Elamites were related?
Great speaker and you spoke on all these kingdoms of past 5000 years of info - Eourpean people but look now they are under Iranian, Arabs, Syria and Turkish brutalities. See, look and follow the politic and geography of the region today you will see Who is Who and all these you mentioned in your videos on all kingdom are still exist. Justice is gone with wind
But where did they come from? We’re they nomads who settled along the Mesopotamian cities and tried to emulate their culture? I read that the Elamite language was a language isolate also. So where they of the same family of the Sumerians who didn’t settle down until much later?
Did they related to the modern day awan tribes of Pakistan because awan tribes don't have link to any ancient hindu history or arab history or Afghan history
Strange amount of virtue signaling for this video
God bless the souls of my Elamite ancestors
They where black ,son's of shem, you come from Turkish people
@@Taharqo.saved.the.Hebrewstop larping
There was no year 0. It went from 1 BC to 1 AD.
Brett Spencer but we don’t use “ye olden calendar”, so no I’m not.
Thank you!
There was never a year 0 with this calendar. Rarely any calendar has a year 0. Historical calendars started with the first (year 1) year depending how it is calculated; usually by the reign of an emperor.
What is the spread of bull worship in the Bronze Age?
In the Mediterranean and the Fertile Crescent and the Indus Valley...
It seems sort of ubiquitous
I heard that elamites are now the people of East India
Fu
You are G.O.A.Ted with the sauce.
probably where the greeka descended from
You need more views
Haha thanks, they're coming... slowly but surely. Hope all is well on your end and thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe!
Great video big guy 👍🏽 Off to watch Part 2!!
Thanks, glad you liked this! More on Elam to come, perhaps one big video on the subject. Thanks for stopping by and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy Looking forward to it if you decide to! You stay safe as well! This world is full of so much craziness, that looking into the past is one of the only things we can use to deal with our present. So thank you for that! 😁👍🏽
Very informative as well as entertaining!
Thanks so much, I really appreciate the kind words...more to come soon!
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@@mrwersa1 Elam Misk
Iam Assyrian nation Civilization my Language is Modern Akkadian Assyrian so Iam interesting and fascinating my History ..thanks
My pleasure, thanks for watching!
Hello, I am an Arab resident of Shush, and I would like to know the truth about the race and origin of the people of Elam. Did we Arabs of this region really enter this land according to what the government tells us, or were we the original people of this region? Because in Iran, the Elamites are considered an Iranian people?
Elams are todays Kurds
Elamites were their own people not arabs. They are one of the ancestors of the modern iranian people.
Elam is the tamil name of cardamom . The ancient tamil people travelled and trade with many countries around the world through the oceans. The names of the places like Ur and Uruk are related with the tamil names . Ur means the living place of the people.e.g Melur, Karur, Velur .Etc. Thank you.
Yes!!!!
I just found out the elamite linear script has been deciphered
'Elam ' is Dravidian word, meaning is big home, or house.
Its not dravidian word just shut rhe fck up and stop stealing historh of lurs and kurds.
It isnt Dravidian stop claiming our civilisation.
@@cyrusthegreat7030 Bro every civilization has connected to reach other...
@@cristyaugustin4624 brother, i can connect tupi guarani with japanese if i want. nitpicked words dont mean anything, and elam was way too far from south india for it to mean anything
Elam Iran even it even rhymes.
L & R is pronounced by the same place in the tongue. It is probable tho
Do you know the accurate date of Jesus Christ, S birth, plz make video on it.
Jesus in the bible is a metaphor for the Sun. The light of the world, nothing else light the world but the Sun. It's our risen saviour, if the Sun doesn't come up in the mornings we will be dead in 3-4 weeks because of the freezing cold. The way,( the zodiac ways of the stars) the truth( you can't see the truth in the dark, only in the light when the Sun is up) the light, again the Sun is the light of the world. So it's December the 25th the sun's birthday period
I liked it.
Thanks, I appreciate it! Stay safe!
Too fast. Can't read . . .
Ilam ❤️☀️💚
I became because of my name
Has The Elamite written language been deciphered?
Yes
Because they were from there
The Elamites were Black.
No they werent stop kanging.
great stuff, keep going!
Thanks so much, I really appreciate the comment....the continuation of the series is on the way!