How Christianity Forgot its Only First Person Witness to Jesus' Resurrection
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Three of the New Testament gospels (Matt, Luke, John) provide varied, and at times contradictory, reports of sighting and encounters with Jesus after his death--usually as a physical encounter with a flesh and blood person. But NONE of these reports are first person. All are secondary and reported by others--one of which (Luke) explicitly says he is NOT an eyewitness. Neither are the ones that Paul ticks off in 1 Corinthians 15--Peter, James, the Twelve, etc.
In this interview with Derek Lambert, host of @MythVisionPodcast , I explore these issues and their implications.
The ONLY undisputed first person account of anyone "seeing Jesus" after his death is that of Paul--who claims in several texts makes this claim. By far most critical scholars would agree that what Paul says in 1 Corinthians 9 and 15 is indisputably from his hand. In contrast to lots of writings that use the name of a well known figure, but are unlikely to have been written by that figure (e.g. the Enoch literature). However, what he reports has been completely ignored by the Church--since he says he can't tell you even what kind of a body Jesus had--other than it was glorious, immortal, and overwhelmingly powerful. He makes clear in 1 Cor 15 that he has no idea what such a "resurrection body" will look like! So his experience was nothing like those reported in these gospels--and remember, Mark has NO appearances in our oldest copies.
But Paul's testimony, though first person, was much too abstract and visionary for trying to PROVE to skeptics that Jesus was raised from the dead. So it was conveniently forgotten.
It sounds suspiciously like ALL the appearances, which Paul equates with his own, were visionary "sightings," or what we call apparitions. That does not make them invalid--but it undercuts the standard evangelical Christian claim that one can PROVE the resurrection by eyewitness testimony--with people touching Jesus' body, feeling his wounds, eating with him. Since we have NONE other than Paul who tells us anything first person, and who was clearly was "blinded by the light" as he describes his experience. He even says of such revelations he is not sure if they were "in the body" or "out of the body," further indicating they were not physical face-to-face encounters.
Just to be clear here...as I have already had folks writing in the comments things like, wait, "Wasn't Mary Magdalene" the first witness? Again...notice carefully my claim here? Whether she was or not we have nothing from her in the first person. I am quite sure Paul stands alone in this regard...in terms of writings in the New Testament that even critical scholars would agree come from his own hand.
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It is also widely accepted that during these times it was common for people to make up stories of respected leaders and how they rose from the dead or ascended to heaven.
Think about it, we’re speaking of Rome and Greek mythology. This stuff was normal and accepted
While I understand and enjoy your guests, it is nothing short of a miracle that any one of the guests can understand your rambling., multifaceted, multi subject questions. I know the questions often loose me, leaving me bewildered about the topic. Please revisit your method of posing questions. There is nothing wrong with a simple interrogative question that can be fully and easily understood. Thank you.
And the bible was meant to be read that way. It does not take a scholar to read the bible. when they do this is what you get. Anyone can read and understand scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit who teaches you, guides you into all understanding. I found him to be confusing especially to a new believer and he frustrating. We cant get philosophical about reading scripture. I was going to take a class in college on the Bible as literature. I am so glad I didnt. I felt the Holy Spirit tell me they will turn you away from the bible. I have read and studied my bible and understand it perfectly. I get what you are saying with his babbling.
I can't really tell what YOU believe. I'm so confused the more I look into Christianity. I used to think I knew what I believed.
hi. James Tabor is a scholar of religion, he’s primarily interested in early Christianity and its development in the 1st century. these lectures present scholarly and academic findings related to the text, and what James believes is not relevant to the discussion.
1 Corinthians 13: 2 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 1 Corinthians 3: 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.” When a biblical historian studies the Bible and they are unbelievers they do not have the revelating power of the Holy Spirit. Bottom line do you believe in God? God the creator of the universe? When you look at all creation and you marvel at it and see the finger prints of a designer will you listen to these “scholars” and their atheist interpretations as wise? Hear them out, but do not forget the awesome power of the creator to make Himself known.…could He create a way for us to know His word that is more complete than any other historical document in the world? I encourage you to look at Gary Habermas, he has just written a book about the gospel’s earliest evidence of transmission and it is dated to have begun within 3 years of Jesus’ death and resurrection; even atheist scholars agree on this timeline. James has an obsession with the idea that Paul created the myth of Jesus Christ. He has an agenda. There is STRONG evidence for Christ, his death and resurrection, but they are trying to make sense of this with their myopic human vision.
Christianity is confusing! :) It’s full of miracles and paradoxes and joy’s and hardships. But so is Disneyland! There’s no way I can figure out how the rides work or historically which came first. And I get lost inside it everytime I go inside it…just enjoy it! Enjoy the ride :) it is un-figure-out-able. It’s been 2,000 years and we still don’t have it all the way figured out. Just enjoy it :) and let it change your heart toward yourself and others :)
It‘s not bad that you might not have found the truth yet, I recommend you studying other religions and reading other holy books. Despite all of the Anti-Islam and extreme Christian Missionaries who nonstop talk bad about it, I have found the truth in Islam. The Quran (1400 years old) answers every little question I had or have. It‘s crystal clear, give it a shot.
And remember: God is not the author of confusion.
جزاكم الله خيرا
Jazakumullahu khaira
I totally agree with you
"Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him.” The truth will surpass all our human imagining!
Paul wasn't an eyewitness to anything; he was simply an opportunist... who lied. And we know this because despite telling the story of this supposed vision of Jesus to him three times, yet he can't tell the same story twice. In Acts 9, 22 and 26, he tells differing stories... and contradictory ones, at that. In Acts 9:7, only HE sees the light and is thrown to the ground while the men with him remain standing having seen nothing/no one. However in Acts 26:14, he and everyone with him see the light and are ALL thrown to the ground. So... which is it, Paul... were you alone thrown to the ground or was also everyone else with you? Can't be both! And WHY is it we never hear a word about or from these other supposed men accompanying him? If truly witnesses to that light brighter than the Sun... why weren't they blinded and/or converted to Paul's movement? Why don't they also appear to verify Paul's account? Why do we have nothing from these alleged witnesses? Instead, these alleged men are all glaringly... absent.
Paul is also careful not to claim to have actually seen Jesus... knowing he couldn't describe Jesus for having never met him and, thus, not wishing to run the risk any such physical description that would reveal the fraud to those who actually had seen and known Jesus.
This man was an admitted assaulter, torturer and -- yes -- murderer of Christians, fully authorized to do so by the Chief Priests, as he so openly admits (Acts 22:4-5, Acts 26:10-11). And upon seeing even death was not enough to dissuade believers... perhaps further seeing the direction Rome was increasingly taking against Judea and the growing Messianic movements heading toward the very fiery destruction that resulted soon thereafter... Paul ultimately decided to succeed in his mission to destroy Christianity and enrich himself... by JOINING it to run it right off its rails and destroy it from within, turning it into the next great Greco-Roman religion with him at its head... and its headquarters in Rome, which is precisely where we find him freely preaching and converting at the end of Acts.
While there are plenty of contractory NT stories, Acts wasn't written by Paul, so you can't blame him for the details there.
@@smerr5073 - Acts was written by one of Paul's own disciples, named Lucas (Luke), a Roman birth name. Lucas is also traditionally claimed to be Paul's own physician. Additionally "Luke" was a Christian convert of Paul's, one of Paul's own disciples and, thus, even further subordinate to Paul... most especially in matters related to the composition of Acts, Paul's chief proselytizing vehicle while in Rome. And all of this confirms that "Luke" worked for Paul.
Thus, "Luke" wrote as Paul required.
And as Acts primarily recounts the events of Paul's life, ending with his establishment in Rome, this makes "Luke" Paul's official biographer too, writing down Paul's own recollections of his own life as dictated by Paul to him... and as Paul wanted it told. And upon its completion, Paul would have also had final editing rights to this commissioned composition of his own biography prior to its release and public dissemination to the world.
All this makes Paul -- NOT "Luke" -- the primary contributor to and final editor of its content.
Book of Luke was probably written after Paul had died
@@davidmathews9633 ... Could be. While most scholars date Acts to 80-90 CE given it reflects back on the destruction of Jerusalem while also referencing the Gospel of Mark, yet it does not include any mention of Paul's death. As Acts is primarily a biography of Paul's life and ministry... at least up until Rome... why would it not include any mention of something so critically important to that biography and to the Church if Paul had already passed?
You can’t have it both ways, chief. Either naysay that Paul’s letters weren’t all written by Paul, or that they contain contradictions. We’ve heard every sceptical argument and nobody cares. Believe, or don’t, it’s your soul at the end of the day.
I always want to reach into the video and nudge that rimon back onto the shelf top before it falls
Oh wow, lol. Can’t unsee 😅
What is a rimon?
@@ElliottWong2024 It's the finial on a torah scroll. Any picture of the torah scrolls being carried will show them. They are part of the dressing for the torah scrolls. They are taken off for reading the torah He has a very ornate silver one on the shelf behind him just hanging over the edge. . Two per torah scroll and I think he has two if I remember seeing them in another video. Two are called rimonim (plural).
The Egyptians believed in physical resurrection many centuries before Christianity, and we have written and physical evidence of this through their funerary practices.
Judaism and Christianity is all based on Ogdoad from egyption religion!
@@evropej I have heard the case made that Isis and Horus were prototypical for the Madonna (Mary) and the Christ Child.
Egypt was founded on the ruins of a pre diluvian civilization by Egyptus, wife of Ham, son of Noah. This is where the similarities in religious beliefs arise. These had knowledge of the resurrection from the beginning as well as knowledge of the Son of God.
@@phillipbruce6280 _"It all began 75 million years ago. Back then there was a galactic federation of planets which was ruled over by the evil Lord Xenu. Xenu thought his galaxy was overpopulated, and so he rounded up countless aliens from all different planets, and then had those aliens frozen. The frozen alien bodies were loaded onto Xenu's galactic cruisers, which looked like DC-8s, except with rocket engines. The cruisers then took the frozen alien bodies to our planet, to Earth, and dumped them into the volcanoes of Hawaii."_
@@phillipbruce6280 The Egyptians had knowledge of the resurrection before Jesus was ever born? Riiiight.
Folks, this is what religion does to your brain. Stick to what you can show is true, else you'll end up in the padded room next to Philip.
Paul's vision came years after Jesus resurrected. He clearly isnt talking about seeing Jesus during the period between the ressurection and the ascension of Christ. Hes speaking of a time years later. Of course Jesus told us he ain't coming back till we all will see him. Not just Paul, or Joseph Smith, or David Koresh or any body else.
My mind is blown! Thank you so much Dr Tabor🙏
Ah I misunderstood that to refer to the first person to witness the resurrection and literally see the stone roll back and Jesus walk out of the tomb. In Mark the young man dressed in a white robe sitting in tomb. I would like to see you discuss this passage, and how he changes into an Angel, then two Angels in Matthew, Luke and John.
Were they sitting relaxed? Or standing nervously? Was there an earthquake, or did "the witness ladies" forget?
Only one angel in Matthew. 2 men in luke
@inregionecaecorum We have a classical trope of greek literature the empty tomb. It was the trope for he became a god and we find it in dozens of stories as resurection and becoming a good was common. Ceasar became a god after his death. We have Heracles becoming a god. We have Osiris resurecting after his death.
Bottom line; it is all unknowable. All will be known but not here and now. 🙏🏼
Gotta ask for clarification, is it unknowable that dude was actually dead OR that an absolutely dead guy got up and went to breakfast 3 days later?
I can entertain the former but the later is not only knowable it's a known fact that zombies are fantasy.
i had a memory of like an ancient egyptian woman in a forest, like she was new to what she sees and looks amazed.. then she saw this caterpillar turning to cocoon and turn to a butterfly.. that is why they got the idea of making mummies(like cocoon)..for thought being a cocoon and die then turn into a beautiful butterfly(reincarnation).. because it is what they experiencing like they came from a past life..its also like spiritual awakening..
The resurrection of the dead at the end of time is neither Jewish nor Greek - it's Zoroastrian. The whole idea of an eschaton came from Zoroastrianism.
Cyrus the Persian the Achaemenid emperor who freed Jewish slaves from Babylon was a Persian Zoroastrian and if you read the old testament, the Bible mentioned him as a Messiah.
Why? Because Jews and Zoroastrians probably worshipped the same God!
BINGO.
Did you know the Magi were from Zoroastroism?
@@evropej yup - good point.
@@evropej Yes. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all completely unoriginal religions. They are all Mithraic/Zoroastrian/Gnostic reformulations of the Jungian concept of "World Age Passage Archetypal Eternal Return" in the reset of the Hindu concept of the "Archetypal Leela Board" for a New Zodiacal World Age Cycle. This is all completely over the heads of the people in these "religions" today who will all now most likely not survive in the gene pool. I suggest reading the 1969 classic book "Hamlet's Mill" and the 2019 book "Iranian Leviathan: A Monumental History of Mithra's Abode." Maybe even the 2006 book "Cosmos and Psyche". People have to figure this all out by July of 2042 and prepare for the use of Nuclear Weapons to have any chance of surviving what is coming. Best of luck you you and yours!
And here I figured the Christians "forgot" the only eyewitness because he said, "Yeah, I saw him and he was just a normal mortal man, just like anyone else."
To my undersyanding it seems that Paul should not have had the vision because.it was not at the right time ie before the ascension.
@@ptk8451 there was no ascension. magic isn't real. grow up.
Regardless of virgin birth. This would not change Jesus as the Son. Regardless if Joseph the Father this would not change Jesus as the Son. Regardless if the man was named Bob instead of Jesus this would not change the fact that Jesus is God.
@@Ordinal_Yoda wouldn’t Bob be god in that scenario?
@@Ordinal_Yoda You should read "The Emperor's New Clothes" some time. It is a really good story about how people deny reality to fit in with the rest of society. People often will go along with the most ludicrous ideologies and conceptions just because that is the social norm.
In a toDAY'S society..why take your lead from folk 2000 years ago who were very ignorant by modern day standards.
Exactly! Jewish, Christian, and Islamic texts, i.e. prescriptions for the best possible spiritual and physical life, were all written BY Middle Eastern MEN from 1500-2000-3000 years ago, FOR Middle Eastern MEN from 1500-2000-3000 ago.
They were certainly not written having in mind women, nor people more than 100-200 years in the future, nor knowing today's scientific, technological and medical information.
Why would I, a 21st century European (and a woman), with a University degree in sciences, take THEIR advice on how I and my family and my community are to lead our life?
I love myself too much, and I care too much about their well-being, to do that.
6:31-6:41 Oh, REALLY??? You NEED a physical body for that?
How very interesting.
And, when Jesus was being born, that didn't need a physical body?
Well, which one is it?
You must have a physical body in order to emanate spiritual life-giving energy?
Then there could not have been a virgin birth without a physical body of the embryo's father.
And indeed, there was no non-physical insemination.
The first witness was Mary Magdalene, perhaps the most important disciple. She was then politically eviscerated by those professing to be the true apostles. As reference we are supposed to accept a narrative from four chroniclers who repeat the narrative in the name of the Evangelical apostles. The selection of those four gospels (of more than 20) was a purely political process designed to be palatable to the Roman Emperor. Hardly a qualification on which to rely in evaluating the resurrection of the Spirit. The advantage of personal faith is that it muffles the chaff imposed on the message by institutions. Me personally, I’m listening to the Magdalene.
Thank you. I think this is best translational interview I have seen yet with Dr. Tabor. He gave the "unlawful to describe Heaven" a more nuanced, more humbling/Paul, rather than strangely evasive meaning.
THAT YOU LISTEN TO PAUL IS WHERE YOUR CONFUSION ENTERS. If you would ignore altogether what Paul says like you've never heard him, and have only Jesus' sermons telling you what the Way, Truth, and Life is, and strictly go by what the Gospel narrative relates, you'd all already know the answers to these questions, and there'd be no confusion.
This is a vision I was given on the 13th August 2019, at 9,30am, I came out of my bathroom after washing, into my bedroom to get dressed. When I got the vision it was like a T.V. screen appeared before me. I Was out on a large boat, it was a beautiful day, sun shinning , the sea calm and shimmering with the sun shining on it. I was standing on the deck of the boat, looking across the sea and enjoying the tranquility, when I looked up onto the sky, I saw an airplane, flying in the skies, then all of a sudden it took a nose dive and fell out of the sky down into sea, I said (I can hear myself think when I get these visions) HOpe the Captain of this ship sees that plane come down, and sails this boat over, there might be survivors, then I turned my head in the opposite direction, and I saw these people rise up out of the sea, they were all dressed in white linen gowns, they had their arms up above their heads , so the sleeves of he gowns fell to their elbows, they had a boat shape neck line, and were roughly mid calf in length, I said, O the rapture is happening and I am being left behind, the whole event only took seconds, and it was over, then I felt arms snatching me from the boat deck, and I remember saying, I am going too, and I am going to see JESUS,. This was when my vision ended and it was like someone had switched off the T. .V. I have not added to this vision, just told you exactly as I was given it. Winifred Thompson. Northern Ireland. ❤❤❤
@termination9353 , Does that entail keeping the Sabbath, the annual feasts(Passover, Booths, etc.), the new moons, animal sacrifice, and the like? After all, Jesus said, "Not a jot, Nor a tittle" of the law would change.
@@raydavison4288until all was fulfilled.... then in Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
It was fulfilled. If you are standing in the position that the law still stands, that includes the sacrificial laws, as they are a rather large jot and tittle. If that is the case, what exactly did Christ do on the cross?
Seems to me , "unlawful to describe heaven" means it's futile to come anywhere near the joys of heaven in language.
I know I am slow. Explain the answer to the question on the thumbnail. How did we forget?
I like Emanuel Swedenborg's answer better.. just saying,
:)
When the breaker in my fuse box keeps tripping, should I repair it with Benjamin Franklin's books?
(If I'm correct, please ignore this statement)
The resurrection or transformation is already written in the old testament. And Paul explained to me properly what was going to happen.
Ezekiel 37:1-14
[1]the Lord’s hand was on me, and he brought me out in the Lord’s Spirit, and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones.
[2]He caused me to pass by them all around: and behold, there were very many in the open valley; and behold, they were very dry.
[3]He said to me, “Son of man, can these bones live?” I answered, “Lord GOD, you know.”
[4]Again he said to me, “Prophesy over these bones, and tell them, ‘You dry bones, hear the Lord’s word.
[5]Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: “Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and you will live.
[6]I will lay sinews on you, and will bring up flesh on you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you will live. Then you will know that I am the Lord.”’”
[7]So I prophesied as I was commanded. As I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold, there was an earthquake. Then the bones came together, bone to its bone.
[8]I saw, and, behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh came up, and skin covered them above; but there was no breath in them.
[9]Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the wind, prophesy, son of man, and tell the wind, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Come from the four winds, breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.”’”
[10]So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up on their feet, an exceedingly great army.
[11]Then he said to me, “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. Behold, they say, ‘Our bones are dried up, and our hope is lost. We are completely cut off.’
[12]Therefore prophesy, and tell them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, my people; and I will bring you into Eretz-Israel.
[13]You will know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, and caused you to come up out of your graves, my people.
[14]I will put my Spirit in you, and you will live. Then I will place you in your own land; and you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord.’”
I’m a lector at a Catholic Church and this is my Old Testament reading assigned for march 26 2023. The New Testament reading by the priest is the story of the resurrection of Lazarus by Jesus 😮
@torahbelieverssavebyhisgra6942 Roman-greek literature uses common trope of the empty tomb that is a standard in greek literature as resurection happens daily for them. Everyone reading these greek-roman literature about Iesous (Jesus) understood this. Yes this was written by greek authors for a greek audience in greek. They understood the story elements from Homer, Vergil and Euripides and the greek philosophy in the Iesous stories. Americans 1800 year later who read translations and have no clue about antiquity and greek culture and knowledge of the time fail so easily.
Stay Blessed 💯🙏
Personally, I trust in the only One who died and came back from sheol 3 days later. Just as He said He would.
@@Holistic-Healthcare Sorry, but….who?
In Your dreams.
@@davidbradberry7637 He is also the stuff of your nightmares.
Where is the evidence? Read Maccoby's book THE MYTH-MAKER Paul and the Invention of Christianity
We have no first person accounts of the Creation either. So what? Either Scripture is "God breathed" or it isn't.
But was the manner of apparition witnessed by Paul the norm or the exception. Maybe J had to up the glory to 11 to convince Saul of Tarsus to change, while he could dial it down for his old friends and acquaintances.
Good point.
There is a long long history of apparition fraud.
You could start with more recent Joseph Smith, Medjugorje in Bosnia, go back to Muhammed and even the gospel resurrection accounts.
Just because Paul says he saw something doesn't make it true.
It's almost certainly not.
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Jesus gave Paul a different Gospel for the Gentiles than what He gave the 12 (and later the 70) to preach. That "difference" is what right division is all about.
In Hinduism they have what is called the "Subtle Body" which is part of Reincarnation, so some part of the body form goes from death to birth in Hinduism.
Interesting.
Yes that’s true..as per Hinduism.
From a Christian perspective, I suppose Christ is 'reincarnated' in His believers when they are 'born again' from above in the Holy Spirit as per Christ's conversation with Nicodemus. Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of Sanhedrin. According to one scholar, Nicodemus probably was impressed by the miracles of Jesus but was not fully convinced that he was the Messiah. So in coming to Jesus at night might have been a way for him to take the next step in believing Jesus was the Messiah.
@@dalelerette206 Reincarnation in Hinduism is not good for one who is enlighten has freed one's self from reincarnation. Jesus then would not "come again" if he attained enlightenment. However I believe that the Budda reincarnated and in Buddhism that is strictly a big no no.
@@marshalldarcy7423 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
“How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
Mr Tabor seems to assume that there is going to be a discontinuity. He assumes that Paul's version of the resseruection is different from Jesus's, when its more natural and reasonable to read them as congruent. He's got this idea of competing versions of Christianity, and seems to be reading it into everything when it is not there.
See the difference between pual and James 😊
@missaleromanum5614 Do you really not see that this was war from day one? We have 90 authors and 90 gospels. They contradict the letters of Paul. Paul tells us of false letters. We see that half of the letters are fraud. Every gospel exists as they see the other stories as inferior or outright false. Only four of these competing stories made it into the collection of one group that fights against the others and suppressed everyone else. The story of following Iesous is one of intolerance of declaring other Christians to heretics and false teachers to anti-christ..
Esoteric Tao Teachings of the YIN SHEN and the YANG SHEN explain all of this in depth and detail!
Now go do your research and homework!
Spot on my friend.
Paul was not a witness. He just saw a demon in the form of the prophet Isa alaihis Salam
Truth
I think Jesus appeared to multiple places to multiple people so it makes sense it was hard to know who the first witness was.
Do you believe in life after death ?
@@Sportliveonline yes, I do
Makes one wonder about poor Lazarus. Back in the flesh. Corrupted and healed and corruptible again.
I'm sure most people would take a second chance rather than die once.
@@josephang9927
I’m sure you don’t know what MOST people think.
do you believe in life after death
Lazarus illustrates Christ’s Miracle experience. Yes it was a miracle, he was dead for three days(sound familiar). People in those days believed The Messiah would take over and rule-eliminating Roman Rule. Some speculate Judas betrayed Him partially because Jesus told disciples that his kingdom was in the future. People only know what their experience allows them! Seeing a miracle today would not cause such a sensation. The Bible tells us in the church age, signs and miracles are not evident.
Tabor seems bored now
Does James Tabor believe in life after death ?
Strong doubt.
He believes in Heck and that’s where he’s going 😈🔥
If we are gods children.
If an apple tree produces apples.
If a sheep produces sheep.
If a human produces a human.
Know this to be an experiential fact, we as humans are only thinking we are humans, through spiritual practices we can experience our true state being formless and limitless… we are children of god, remember. That state is called different names… god consciousness,
and samadhi are two names.
This is real and experiential.
Jesus even said it simply: “He who overcomes the Will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my father in his throne.”
Overcoming the Will is stilling the mind through using the Will
Very illuminating, thank you!
What about John? He was there, and he wrote the gospel, he makes it clear he was there the whole time at the end of the book.
My thoughts too. Not to say the Apostle Paul is irrelevant. His missionary journeys starting on the Road to Damascus are well documented. But I would be reticent to say the Apostle Paul was the only first person witness to Jesus' Resurrection.
1 Corinthians 15:4 and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures; 5 and that he appeared to Ceʹphas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that he appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time, most of whom are still with us, though some have fallen asleep in death. 7 After that he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
Not really, because the 10 disciples fled John wasn't even there I don't know who told you that one lol
@@sararae5994 : Actually John was there.
John 18:15 Now Simon Peter, as well as ANOTHER DISCIPLE, was following Jesus. THAT DISCIPLE was known to the high priest, and he went with Jesus into the courtyard of the high priest, 16 but Peter was standing outside at the door. So the OTHER DISCIPLE, who was known to the high priest, went out and spoke to the doorkeeper and brought Peter in.
John wouldn't mention his own name. But he doesn't hold back from mentioning Peter.
@@tongakhan230 no no no the 10 disciples were not there go back and read the book properly. They were nowhere to be found. They fleed
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. 1 Peter 1:3
This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. John 21:14,15
And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread. And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Luke 24:33-39
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. 2 Peter 3:15-18
Claptrap
@@bendream544 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians1:18
For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day. 1 Corinthians 4:9-13
Paul claims to have witnessed Jesus AFTER his resurrection. Where is the evidence to the title's claim that he was an eyewitness to the actual act of resurrection? It is not the same thing.
I am hoping for a spirit body because a physical one has too many constraints. Jesus was able to ascend into heaven with His new body. If we all are resurrected into perfect bodies we could all play in the NBA. But then there would be nothing special about playing in the NBA and the score would always be the same because nobody would play any better than anybody else. We could go on and on like this. Just accept Jesus as your savior and live in faith. He will see you through this life and into the next.
Dead humans will be brought back through a resurrection in human bodies. Similar to what they had so that their loved ones and others could recognize them.
(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.
A few who are chosen to rule with Jesus get spirit form resurrections to be able to live in heaven.
(Revelation 20:6) Happy and holy is anyone having part in the FIRST RESURRECTION; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years.
Being healthy should be a reward in itself and not subject to comparison. Will you avoid salvation if everyone turns to Christ? Your desire to be above others is hindering you.
Jesus had the same old body. He showed them where the holes from the crucifixion were.
Passing through, I thought this was going to discuss Mary Magdalene... ha! But this is a brief view of Paul (and/or his ghostwriters) that is really spot on. Gnostic even.
I believe Paul was first hand. Certainly his letters were. Did you know that he states women should be silent? Just saying what he said.
@@patrickwarren2831 Paul's writings have been much misunderstood. He did not tell women to be absolutely silent as some have claimed, but rather to be self-disciplined and not speak out of order. This expectation is the same for all in a service.
@@elibennett6168 thank you. I thought there was likely more to it. I certainly don’t go around quoting that verse.
@@patrickwarren2831 Thank you for being cautious of cherry-picking! We know that women were allowed to pray and prophesy in church in 1 Corinthians 11: 4-5. There is a rule to scriptural interpretation that it must be internally consistent. Seeming contradictions indicate we have a misinterpretation. It makes no sense for Paul to state a rule for absolute female silence in one place and instructions for that practice in another place.
@@elibennett6168 I can only remember a single conversation about it. It was 1996 and one man said the Bible said it to s as mother man. He looked at me as if to ask if it was in there and I said “Paul said it but I’m unclear as to what context it was said”. There’s a ton of outright bible twisting going on around the world. It’s the only thing that’s pure. They’ve changed Thou Shalt not Kill to Thou Shalt not Murder. These wars are murders of the worst kind. Anyone who knows Christ cannot travel 7000 miles away to kill a man in his own land and call HIM the terrorist. Evil is called Good.
Jesus is sitting or standing at the right hand of God and we also will be at the right hand of God !
Does that mean God is right-handed ?
Paul is clear about the three glories of heaven. Three separate heavens. He continues with introducing the knowledge of different bodies that people will be given. God will reward each man according to his works
Such a shame they destroyed the real Gospel of Jesus, leaving us with Paul’s assumptions and the re written Gospels!
What's the "real" gospel and who are the "they" that destroyed it?
@@enkidufive3349 the RC in conjunction with the RE, and the suppression of the teaching of Jesus in favour of Pauline doctrine - some 60% of the New Testament, which opposed much of Jesus teaching!
@@johnsinclair2672 In that case, you should observe Torah as that's what Jesus taught, at least according to the highly contradictory gospels. Is that what you're saying?
@@enkidufive3349 indeed, he certainly did preach to observe the law. When I point this out to Christians they tell me he meant the new law!
To me it’s clear he meant to follow the Jewish law in its entirety! What’s your interpretation?
@@johnsinclair2672 Just for grins, do you wear clothing with two different materials in it? Work on Saturday? Eat kosher? I kind of doubt you keep or even know the entire law. Some of it is outright ridiculous.
There's a learning curve going on with people. We can't make the ability of the people to learn the doctrine. The doctrine pre exists the people. We can't split hairs on what the people thought. The Bible just keeps moving forward, it doesn't wait around for people to catch up. The next generations will do the work of catching up. Once we do catch up we all see that Paul is correct. It has to be a complete new body for the after life. The process of getting to Heaven has things we can not put into words in Paul's day. Today we know about DNA, we can understand information has no weight or mass and therefor can be brought back to life with a perfect body.
What about Cephas? If you read 1st Corinthians 15, Paul begins with the Apostles - particularly Peter - who saw Jesus raised before him. And Paul says that he RECEIVED the gospel report, including Jesus' death and resurrection ... from whom ? We are not told either by Paul or in Acts, but it was probably in Damascus where he was baptized since it was the practice to baptize a new believer soon after his decision to follow Jesus. So, Paul was not the first to see the risen Christ. Nor did the gospel message originate with Paul. he received it from others.
Nor was Paul the "only first person witness to Jesus' resurrection." There was Peter and the other Apostles. They were speaking of it years before Paul wrote. And Paul acknowledges that. The only difference is that we do not have their personally written reports. But we do have the reports of their preaching from those who heard it - Acts - and the resurrection was central to Peter's message in Acts.
I have had the revelation, that the "new creation" or new birth, as it is called, is in fact more like being born into a new Cosmos. The Whole Thing is the "new creation", it's not like talking about a single person's change. So, the good news is, we are told to believe that this eternal New Creation, way of being and existing, actually exists. And it is totally immersed in God's love, the Lord is in control, there's no more sickness, dying and sin. At least, not sin in the way it is experienced down here. It is good to hear somebody else talking about the new cosmos, it shows proper erudition and understanding.
Dr. Tabor! I think you and Jesus are gonna have a field day talking about this stuff when you get to heaven!
The resurrection happens when a person is born of the spirit. (Not when a person first believes). Its takes years of being perfected by the things we suffer. Death burial and resurrection (baptism unto REPENTANCE) in the New covenant is talking about IN THIS LIFE. Then when our physical body dies we are instantly glorified and immediately rise to meet the Lord along and all that have gone before us in the air or spirit realm. There will be no dead bodies, as in flesh and blood, rising from graves. We have already been regenerated and made alive, a new creation. We simply shed our physical outer body at physical death. Physical death has no power over those who have already experienced the 1st resurrection. Our garden of gasthemene moment. Death to our carnal flesh. The NT editors were spiritually blind and literalized a spiritual story. The same thing "jesus" expierenced must be experienced by all. No one can die for ALL OUR SINS. If so, that person would still be dead. Thats the price for sin. DEATH. Not 3 days of death. Critical thinking skills required folks.
that's called Over thinking not critical thinking. Please try to find out what's the meaning of critical thinking. to over think you don't require skills.
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Like I said, no one died for all our sins. If so that person would still be dead. Thats the price to be paid for my sins. Death.
Thats NOT overthinking. Lol. But nice try.
That is not what the reality is. The world has been taught many incorrect doctrines because Christendom was formed AFTER the apostasy happened and false teachings were brought into the congregations. Between the first century and the fourth century there was a falling away from true teachings, pagan doctrines were replacing truth. By the time Christendom became organized most all of the pure Christian teachings were replaced with lies.
All most people know now are incorrect teachings such as hell, trinity, immortal soul, the cross, all of which are taken from pagan religions, that is historical fact whether you accept it or not.
There will be a resurrection of billions who have died but they will NOT be in Heaven, their resurrection will be during the Millennium on EARTH.
Paul spoke of a Heavenly spiritual resurrection the same as Jesus experienced which is for those who were anointed with Holy Spirit and called and chosen for a role in the Heavenly Kingdom. That fate is given to only one group and they are mentioned at: (Revelation 14:1) Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
Cool story, bro.
So full of 'critical thinking', too.
@@tw9535 It's properly referred to as "accurate knowledge of truth".
Jesus was indeed resurrected on the third day after he died on the cross for my sins and yours. What I am puzzled about is why you don’t read more about the dead relatives that were also resurrected after Jesus’ resurrection. Can you imagine the people of Israel seeing their long-dead relatives walking the streets? Why have no movies been made about this amazing event?
Because this is only mentioned in one gospel. Don't you think if something like this happened it would be recorded in numerous different accounts. It's an addition to the oral story to make it more spectacular.
@@johnmulvey7890 I believe it did happen. Absolutely.
Zombies walking around Jerusalem is quite insane
If Paul says resurrection is to a spirit body and that Jesus had. Spirit body is what we all have and is revealed at the time of transition. Jesus resurrection was his return. No one dies. Bodies are left behind for all. However, some can reappear in physical form as did Jesus.
Paul really should be thought of as the founder of christianity. Jesus's Church stayed in Jerusalem, and arguably then to Egypt and to the gnostic part. Paul took the idea, made it popular for the lower classes, and a few upper class benefactors first through hellenic comunities and then the roman empire, and ran with it until the council of Nicea, where it was set in stone (including the empress helenas perirination round Israel in search of sites and relics).
Thanks for this . I am considering whether or not Paul was describing the nature of the Logos when describing the resurrection.
Does anyone have insight into that?
I see some awesome ramifications that coincide with Paul's statement that eye has not seen or the mind of man has imagined if that is true.
Does anyone have a comment?
Paul would definitely have a different view of the resurrected Jesus than say John. We would share his perspective more so than John’s also.
THAT YOU LISTEN TO PAUL IS WHERE YOUR CONFUSION ENTERS. If you would ignore altogether what Paul says like you've never heard him, and have only Jesus' sermons telling you what the Way, Truth, and Life is, and strictly go by what the Gospel narrative relates, you'd all already know the answers to these questions, and there'd be no confusion.
@@termination9353 . You can’t ignore Paul because he is there in the New Testament as a major player! He has definitely put his stamp on the christian religion but unlike the apostles he is a reformed murderer and strong arm man that persecuted and executed early christians. He was struck blind and promised to mend his ways if his sight was restored. God restored it. Reformed alcoholics and reformed smokers have a very similar mindset and want to convince everyone that they meet that their past life was so bad that they are determined that you shall not have to suffer what they experienced for themselves 12:44 . To achieve this goal they will conjure up horror stories so as to deter you from ever experiencing what they themselves experienced through their own thought out choice. It is a warning that free will is a two edged sword. Free will however enables choices that can be devastating for some but enhancing for others. Paul faced soul destroying destruction and because of the magnitude of his desperation he knew that only a complete change of mindset could save him. Paul alone is responsible for the very real sense of guilt Experienced by all of the worlds Catholics except the atheists that become priests because they are too lazy to get real jobs and just rape kids!
@@termination9353 gospel Jesus is altered
@@termination9353 Well we have at least 90 competing stories by 90 authors and Paul. Half of Paul's letter are considered fraud as they were written by others. So we see here a movement full of lies, fraud and differing opinions.
Does Paul being the only first person eye witness to write about encountering Jesus alive after He died invalidate the witnesses of the others? Mark was Peter's scribe. It's likely that, as a fisherman, Peter was illiterate. Luke was Paul's scribe for the book of Acts, though Paul also wrote his own letters to the churches. The women were likely illiterate. Miriam, Jesus's own mother, was among His disciples and shared stories with the writers but didn't write directly about His birth or upbringing either.
This is my expectation and I believe God is able to do this through Christ.
All shall be made new but each in His time.
Glory@head
Great interpretation regarding resurrection. It describes exactly how I experienced it. The mistake is in believing it’s a historical event that hasn’t happened yet. The experience was common among many of the early Christian’s. Thomas Merton described the same experience at his first communion.
And yes many things happen that one can not repeat or speak directly of.
This guy is very close, he just doesn’t realize it’s all true and happening all the time.
And BTW you do take on a spiritual incorruptible body in that world of God. It’s all true but can not be interpreted as historical. Remember the Jews had the tradition of using stories to transmit spiritual teachings to the essence of man.
That's exactly why the Book of Revelations shows past, present, and future happening all within the same book. Depending upon where you are in life. You can find yourself in the past, present, or future of that book. What some people believe is the future. Is really already in the past. It's shows how few people understand the meanings of the writings.
Yeah? Good luck with that one.
@@andreroy8141 Sounds suspiciously like mumbo jumbo to me. Why are religious writings, even those written in relatively modern times, so obscure and require interpreting? So much of the bible, for instance, is contradictory, historically inaccurate and in some cases just plain silly. It reads like the collection of writings by a committee of disparate volunteers, which of course it is. To actually take it all seriously must take mental gymnastics or, of course, the sort of blind faith that comes from brainwashing as a child. How any thinking adult can give it any credence is beyond my understanding.
@@prl.5108 There is nothing historically inaccurate about the Bible. In fact more historical evidence of the Bible's accuracy comes out all the time. What a lot people say about inaccuracies are mostly misinterpretations of mistranslations. However Jesus said,
" For judgement I am come into this world, that they who see not, might see; and that they who see might be made blind."
There are many other scriptures that talk about there being a mystery and that it's hidden. So those who love God and his righteous will search for truth and find it. Those who don't care to search. It remains hidden by a deception of the Devil. You either serve the creature (AKA the Beast) or the Creator. The Most High.
The fact you used the word resurrection and NOT metamorphosis shows that you didn't understand and single word of this video..!
"That does not make them invalid" lol yes it does. Tell me when someone had a "real" vision of something. If it's real, you don't need to have a "vision" you can just SEE it.
I'm real. Can you see me?
If it is physical..you just see it..and even then you might need a telescope.or microscope..but God ...how are you going to just see him..there was atime for thatwhenJesus lived on earth as a man but this is after the resurrection and evenafter the Ascension
@@ptk8451 there are material things we can't see and don't know about, understand, or have the means to conceptualize. And there are things that are not material that we know are real. Quantum physics will just about convince you that spirit is fact, if you have the ability to think big enough. My aim is not to argue for the validity of visions, but to warn of the foolishness of certainty. If you're absolutely sure of something, you're almost guaranteed to be wrong.
@@MelissaThompson432 _"If you're absolutely sure of something, you're almost guaranteed to be wrong."_
You might want to add some context to that, because there are some obvious reductios, like the shape of the Earth and maths sums.
We're absolutely certain the Earth is a spheroid as we experience it. The uncertainty for that is the precision of the measurement, which has been improving over time, although the Earth itself is also dynamic. You can also say we're not certain that our experience *itself* is particularly "real" if you're a skeptic, like a brain in a vat, or sim theory demonstrate, but what we experience if we grant either of those is that the experience we have of the shape of the Earth is that it's spheroidal.
We can also be absolutely certain that 2+2=4 in base 10 maths because that's a matter of how we define operators and numbers.
@@MelissaThompson432 The subject here is whether Paul's reported vision could be something real. MY point is that if it was real he wouldn't have called it a vision. BTW all material things can be "seen" in one way or another. Even electrons can be observed and measured. A "vision" can't be, because it isn't real.
🔥Paul claimed to have seen Jesus on the Damascus Road but where are the eye witnesses to support his claim? There are none.
_“If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true.”_ (John 5:31 )
🔥He even admitted he was a liar.
_"But be that as it may, I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, devious person that I am, I took you in by deceit.”_ (2 Corinthians 12:16)
I should take this with a pinch of salt. Cult of Armstongism. Go and read the gospels and Pauls letters. There is no such thing as universalist redemption. Nowhere in scripture is this said, taught or implied.
True! People who do not read the scriptures, and who come out with their own theories, cannot be of help to truth seekers.
Peter's words:
Acts 2:32 God resurrected this Jesus, and of this WE are all witnesses.
Thank you for your insight. I would love to hear your thoughts on the following... 1 Corinthians 15:8 ASV - and last of all, as to the [child] untimely born, he appeared to me also.
That must have been quite the event.
"He appeared to Me also." would then enclude "I appeared to him." And in the presence of the Christ only God's infinite Love is present.
Jesus appeared to Saul “as if to one born prematurely.” It was as if Saul had already been resurrected to spirit life and was able to see the glorified Lord centuries before that resurrection was due to occur. This experience abruptly halted Saul in his course of murderous opposition to the Christian congregation and caused a remarkable change. (Acts 9:3-9, 17-19) Saul became the apostle Paul, one of the foremost defenders of the Christian faith.-1 Corinthians 15:9, 10.
I was thinking of the star child in 2001: A Space Odyssey. I wonder if that is where Clark and Kubrick came up with that.
@@djparsons7363 Saul became the foremost corrupter of the gospel.
🔥Paul claimed to have seen Jesus on the Damascus Road but where are the eye witnesses to support his claim? There are none.
_“If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true.”_ (John 5:31 )
🔥He even admitted he was a liar.
_"But be that as it may, I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, devious person that I am, I took you in by deceit.”_ (2 Corinthians 12:16)
All is speculation, an intellectual (or anti-intellectual) game with no relevance to what actually is. The ability of the human imagination to invent scenarios as answers to questions that have no answers is beyond amazing: it is fantastical.
@@someguy782 I'm just here for the ignorance and it certainly isn't letting me down
That's where faith comes into play.
@@drock5404 Faith is when you believe something you know ain't so - Mark Twain
@@billdozier72 Not strictly true. Most boys/men at one time or another have faith they will eventually meet a woman they will fall in love with, marry and have one or more children.
History proves that for most it does happen and it varies from person to person regards age at marriage, number of children etc. So, sorry to tell you Mark Twain was wrong.
@@saintsone7877well, relationships belong to the provable world, not the highly speculative unseen, as imagined in the borrowed Platonic ideas of the Jewish apostate, Paul.
Good points- the best one was don’t project the epistles into the gospels. Look at it as a sequence.
How did Dickens believe Scrooge was able to perceive Jacob Marley, and how can Christmas Past be made manifest and brought forth in a Victorian bedchamber?
By the power of invention.
Much like Paul's power.
Did Paul ever do jail time for his previous crimes again humanity ?
He was a prisoner of the Lord doing his bidding.
@@alanx4121 are you suggesting he was persecuting members of Jesus cult, on Gods instruction?
@@johnsinclair2672 No, God arrested Paul and 'forced' him to become his servant for the gospel, he just cooperated. He was ignorant of what he did and had to see to believe. Thomas too.
@@alanx4121 “a prisoner of the Lord!” That quite a statement!
Regards, the Thomas you mention, is this the same Thomas who of the lost Gospel of Thomas?
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I believe that's Paul's wording.
I meant 'unbelieving' Thomas, he had to see and even feel the wounds, to believe.
this gospel is from thomas judas, it's a gnostic forgery.
Didn’t John see Christ resurrected and write about it in the “first person” in Revelation? This was very interesting, thank you
John as the "disciple Jesus loved" wrote about the resurrection as a witness to the resurrection in his Gospel and we have no reason to think he did not speak of it throughout his life. It is far too restrictive to limit the reports of the resurrection to Paul's writing when others were speaking about it and their messages were recorded by others. (We would accept the report of a reporter who heard President Biden speak privately on the Ukrainian war if we knew that reporter was there to hear him and if there was no denial from Biden.) What Tabor does is like a shell game where the pea is secretly removed from the game. In reality, there were peas under all the shells.
@@doncamp1150 I agree, but for the “reporter”… now ,, if that reporter became a martyr,,, then I’d believe him. The point is moot though because I was baptized in the Holy Spirit after reading the Bible so my belief is experiential. I don’t need Tabors validation.
@@davidcloyd1296 I agree.
D you believe in life after death ?
@@Sportliveonline Yes
Mary went and preached to all those men Hallelujah were would we be now if the disciple had gone back to fishing and not heard?
How do we know that the person Paul believed he saw corresponded with Jesus, as opposed to Paul psychologically attaching a mental experience resulting from some sort of trauma like a fit or stroke to the leader of the group he was persecuting?
well he checked Jesus' photo on-line and it was totally the same guy
How do we know Paul wasn't lying like Joseph Smith and a whole host of similar people were lying?
It's a common theme for religion starters... "God spoke to me... no you can't hear him but he wants you to do all these things".
The only thing Paul had going for him is that "God" didn't command him to take more wives. That puts him a notch up, but it's not saying much.
With Faith you can believe anything.
There is no truth to the story. It's a fairytale that everyone has a go at.
None of it makes sense, it's full BS.
I appreciate the Mormonism shout out
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Joseph Smith claimed he saw The Father and Jesus that started off his mission.
Just because he said it doesn't make it true.
Same goes for Paul.
There is a long history of these claims to kick-start a religion.
It's what these people do.
"I can see God/Gabriel/Mary but you can't" and "they have a message for you".
It's a trick as old as the hills.
@@GravityBoy72 “IF gOd Is REAl WhY cANt I seE hIM?”. Idk if you’re a theist or not, but your argument makes it sound like you aren’t. So it’s silly to think I hadn’t considered that Heavenly visitations aren’t possible.
@@larryfrakous1332 Mormonism is the perfect thing to study about how religions start. You need someone who says God is talking to them (but no one else can hear him).
It's a very old trick... older than Christianity.
@@GravityBoy72 that’s quite oversimplified. I would say it’s similar to Christianity because you have many witnesses of miracles and revelation and heavenly visitation. It’s not one dude calling all the shots like in some new religious movements.
Christianity forgot a lot more than that, only the tenets remain pure.
Christianity is about transformation from the state of Adamic nature of the ordinary man into the state of God.
The 12-13 all spent 3 years with Jesus Christ being taught. Paul spent, what" 15 minutes to an hour? Yet, Paul "knew" MORE??? B.S. Paul went on a "power trip" that he has YET to return from! This is all BLASPHEMY!!!
This moment is something new under the sun, like Swedenborgs heaven and hell, Martin bauber has the best description of being in the spirit I ever read.
Isn't "soul" the same idea as Paul's spiritual body? Or is there some distinction? Just wondering because I haven't heard Dr. Tabor use the word soul in his discussions on Paul.
Lev. 24:17, 18: “In case a man strikes any SOUL [Hebrew, neʹphesh] OF MANKIND fatally, he should be put to death without fail. And the fatal striker of the SOUL [Hebrew, neʹphesh] OF A DOMESTIC ANIMAL should make compensation for it, soul for soul.” (Notice that the same Hebrew word for soul is applied to both mankind and animals.)
@@djparsons7363 Thanks for that quote, I was just reading about ne'phesh in Bart Ehrman's book about Heaven and Hell.
In ancient Hebrew thought, there was no “soul” in the Greek sense. This can be seen by the different terms used. The closest equivalent to the Greek psychē is the Hebrew nephesh. The nephesh, though, is not a soul, set in contrast to the body. Hebrew anthropology was not dualistic (body and soul) but unitary. Nephesh means something like “life force” or “life” or even “breath.” It is not a substance that can leave a person and exist independently of the body. It is the thing that makes bodies live.
So interesting the different nuances of soul, afterlife, etc
@@smerr5073 That is the true meaning of soul, it is not something separate from the body that continues alive when a person dies, it is the very "life force" of man or animal.
The Greek version is from pagan philosophers, we do not "have" a soul, we ARE a soul. That exposes the concept of hell and life after death to be lies, false teachings. No such thing as an immortal soul.
@@djparsons7363 This was enlightening and it shows how worthless translations are when you do not know the original language and cultural context.
I feel like I have misjudged Paul.
So we should ignore the testimony of three if the four gospels about the Ressurection of Christ, including the doubting Thomas? Paul's views should replace?
Yes. He’s the only witness who recorded his experience. The gospels are later and not eye witness accounts.
@@joygibbons5482 He may have recounted an experience he had, but to say he was a 'witness' implies he saw the resurrection and experienced Christ in the manner the gospels recount that many did. Neither are true. Witnesses recounted their stories of meeting a corporal Christ after the Resurrection to others. Those were passed down to others and eventually included in gospels.
Love the Torah Keter in the background!
Matthew 24:26 KJV:
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Paul was a witness to the resurrection? I thought he didn't come schlepping around until about 40 years after the event.
Jesus made a special visit for Paul
@@mikev4621 😁
If Marcion found or created the story it had to have been as late as late 2nd century and written retrospectively?
Apparently you never read the Bible. The first person to see Jesus after his resurrection was a woman named Mary Magdalene. How could you miss this?
Finally someone who gets it. I have been saying this to people for years. Most preachers don't understand the the Bible. Especially many so call Evangelical Conservatives! God is Love. Always and Forever. You can't even comprehend Love that great on that scale in this earthly form.
And yet they blaspheme God by teaching the pagan hell doctrine.
So much love being demonstrated in just the thousands of child cancer deaths every single day.
@@str8nauto Your ignorance keeps you bound. There's no such thing as death. In fact death entered into this world from not believing God in the first place. Even still God loves you.
@@andreroy8141 there is no god wake up
@@Azamat421The thing is. You can't prove there is not.
"Only the Fool has said within his heart there is no God!"
King Solomon
Is it harder to speak about this without mentioning reincarnation or transmigration?
Collective sole concepts ect.? These are ,and we’re widely held observations in our past.
The gates of repentance…or the gates of return
Many will be deceived.!!! Paul was not the first to teach the resurrection. Jn5:28-29. ONE resurrection. Believers and unbelievers. Sheep and goats. Also, the resurrection is not 3 parts. Christ was the first fruit. The resurrection of believers dead or alive happens at once. To God be the Glory
THAT YOU LISTEN TO PAUL IS WHERE YOUR CONFUSION ENTERS. If you would ignore altogether what Paul says like you've never heard him, and have only Jesus' sermons telling you what the Way, Truth, and Life is, and strictly go by what the Gospel narrative relates, you'd all already know the answers to these questions, and there'd be no confusion.
And here I thought this was going to be about Mary Magdalene.
Christ protecting me since my birth
Christianity, Resurrection, and Paul are well covered here. But 'first person WITNESS' cannot be the title. This youtube is about first person EXPERIENCE of the Jesus' resurrection. None has witnessed the resurrection itself. Gospels tell about the empty tomb and His appearance to the disciples.
Why did I think Mary Magdelene was the chosen one to know Christ risen?
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We do Not Need another different interpretation. Just The Records of Those Times and Men !
You state that Paul reports about resurrection as a "life giving spirit" and you write this "was much too abstract and visionary for trying to prove to skeptics that Jesus was raised from the dead". That's the point! If we conceive god as omnipresent and according to Luke 17,20-21 his reign already here and inside of us and his existence not physical but like the wind (Old Testament's "ruah" or New Testament's "pneuma" = (holy) spirit with its original meaning "wind" hinting at invisible omnipresence), Paul's message makes sense! But how to understand a new world that possibly isn't physical at all, perhaps even free from space and time but present anytime everywhere? And how to explain that it isn't just some disappointing kind of annihilating nirvana, but something very impressively great and real? Paul tried to figure this out with cosmic allusions but they appear to us quite fantastic. Jesus often used parables about the heavenly reign - obviously dealing with the same problem.
Eh? If Jesus was dead, then he was resurrected. If he was alive, then he transcended. So what is it?
If one is raised as a 'spirit' is he still him? Is it resurrection or reincarnation? If one no longer has his body, how is that a resurrection? Isn't that just taking on another manifestation (much like the Buddha does)? Am I actually me without my body? How can this spectral me be the same if it doesn't have the same (or, at the very least, similar) experiences, ideas, dreams, needs and desires that I have now in this 'corporeal' manifestation? Wouldn't this spirit be a lobotomised me, a neutral, uneventful, greige, perpetually obliging, sycophantic ghost (literally and figuratively) of me, therefore not a resurrection of me?
What’s your views on Bill Donahue’s perspectives on the NT/Bible re: pineal gland, melatonin etc? Love your work ❤
Jesus predicted a period of time between the launch of the kingdom and the judgement/resurrection, as attested by the parable of the wheat and tares, the yeast growing through the dough, the mustard seed growing into a tree, and the parable of the sower. Paul also foresaw a period of time when he wrote in Romans about a time of the Gentiles (Jewish rejection of Christ) which would lead to the Jews becoming jealous/zealous and then Israel turning to Christ. Paul also wrote as though the Gospel would have to be preached to the ends of the earth first, and Paul had the laying on of hands to carry on the work once Paul's generation of leadership were to die off.
@glennshrom5801 Thanks Glenn you make a nice storyteller and you showed us why we have about 90 gospels from 90 authors as they all made up their own story or corrected others or just shared their opinion. You show me wonderfully why we have so many stories and they show the creativity of human kind. Just like we have so mayn Spiderman stories and Sherlock Holmes stories.
It's wishful thinking to say that there is no Hell/sheol. But what does the evidence, experience and reason say?
That notion of total transformation of the cosmos is the product of a naive cosmology. It’s an apt description of what they understood, and has spiritual value. But as a literal take on what will happen to material reality it is an anachronism.
Hey, what Christians forgot wasn't as bad as what they censored in 325 AD. 72 books of the New Testament disappeared at that religious council of Nicaea!
We must be reminded of the limited Human Rights and lack of free soeach that people had centuries ago, hence why Paul said it's unlawful to explain what he saw.. No wonder Jesus was accused of blaspheme. Thank God we have freedom of soeach these days, but as with anything that's free, comes many challenges and societal ill behaviors.
not sure what eye witness you are tlking about ..Paul arrived on the scene well after JC was murdered.
Or, if you're a believer, not as much murdered as temporarily executed.
@@RichWoods23 wouldn’t it just be easier to think that he died… And whoever thought they saw him alive who’s having an hysterical experience? Because otherwise you’re saying that he kind of passed out, or was in a coma, and then he rose from not really, quite being dead. And that’s not a way of explaining anything as much as it is it is a strategy to dismiss the divinity of Jesus. No problem with that fine.
No first person testimony is clear proof that Jesus stories are myths and legends told my Messiah-looking Jews.
Simple enough if you derive the answer from the Bible. Jesus Christ is the "Firstborn from the dead," Col.1:18 which ties into Rev.13:8b and Heb.8,9,10. In the plainest of terms, Christ was slain for sin not at Calvary 2000 years ago but as He says... "From the foundation of the earth," otherwise, Abel, Noah, Abraham could never have their sins covered by the blood of Christ. The Greek word "apo" is also translated "before' in the NT and should have been so translated in Rev.13:8b. Next... the elect believers are *not* judged but are passed from death unto life. Jn.3:18; 5:24. As soon as this professor fellow starts talking heresy sets in. It is only the elect who ever will be transformed as was Jesus' physical body.
St Paul saw Christ YEARS after Pentecost.
Seems that Dr James does not understand some things of the Bible.
The saints will only judge the fallen angels, and the saints are going to rule and judge the world from Jerusalem during the 1000 year kingdom, not in Heaven.
Was Mary not the First to see Him. She who was the Apostle to the Apostles?