I love this. One comment show an actual broken filter. Words are one thing but with RUclips we can actually see. Other videos like the QuickDraw show and integrity test the same way and no actual broken visual example.
Thank you for the post. You could really help out even more if you had a link to another clip on what to do if the system is compromised; showing which O ring(s) fail and stock numbers with demo of replacement, filter replacement along with stock number, piston replacement ... You would help sell more if we though the high cost of this unit made sense by reasonable repair cost. I'm looking for a unit ( maybe 2) and reading reviews, cost of repair, reliability...
Hi Jay J, Thanks for reaching out. While we can't link you to another clip to highlight the items you mentioned, we encourage you to get in touch with the pros in our repair shop. Contact info can be found at www.msrgear.com/en/warranty. They will be more than happy to fill you in on o-rings, filter replacement and any other technical questions you have regarding repairing your Guardian Purifier. Keep up the adventures, Mackenzie
As both of the hoses are on the contaminated side of the filter, I would say that you wouldn't introduce any contaminants into the filter. However, always assume that you will get contaminants from the water on your hands. Here is a video from MSR on how to void cross contamination - ruclips.net/video/fpGbGqVA7dk/видео.html&ab_channel=MSRGear
@MSRGear I was wondering if you know if old school style Nalgene, HDPE, bottles are clear enough to preform a integrity test, and if you are able to see bubbles( through the white slightly opaque bottles) showing the filter is compromised? They are definitely lighter, than the triton style hard Nalgenes by a few ounces. Kinda hard to know if this style would work, unless i knew someone who had a compromised filter, which im guessing you have? I think this info could be helpful, as i bet you already know that Nalgenes are seen as heavy in the backpacking community, and being able to use the lighter weight HDPE Nalgenes I think would maybe make those people uneasy about hauling Nalgenes, take a second look at The Guardian.
so, if it's compromised, does that mean I need a new filter, or a whole new system also, before I buy one of these bad boys, is there any warranty for it ?I work at a camp for at risk youth, and I will be using this filter to have safe drinking water from lakes, and creeks for the yputh, anyways, just wondering if I drop it, or if it breaks, if a warranty will cover it.
There could be several reasons why a Guardian would fail an integrity test. The most likely reason is that the filter has been compromised in same way and needs to be replaced. We do have standalone replacement cartridges available for purchase. The second most common reason would be that there is a faulty o-ring or seal somewhere in the purifier. Replacement for those are available in the Guardian maintenance kit. If you ever had any questions about the integrity of a filter, you can always send it in to our warranty and repairs facility for an evalutation. The MSR Guardian, like all MSR products, carries a 3 year warranty against defects in materials an workmanship. You can read more about the warranty policy at the MSR website.
Has the leak issues been resolved or re-engineered, how about the same for the handle and the piston? Any update??? Too much negative reviews to safely purchase one without knowing these issues have been corrected.
Guardian handle breaking happens when customers force handle to pump; the issue was initially with the internal piston not having enough lubricated and people would force it to pump without inspecting issue, thus causing breakage. Piston lubrication has been fixed.
@@MSRGear thank you for clearing up that part of misconceptions up, i’m looking to invest in a this type of product, how about the issue of it leaking at the base above where you attach to a water bottle has that issue been resolved also, seems you failed to mention about that, too many videos on RUclips about that situation to be ignored? Would like to hear from you directly before I put out $375, and what is the limited warranty, that was kind of vague on your website
If a few bubbles are escaping we recommend pumping the handle 5 more strokes and observe for another 30 seconds. If no subsequent bubbles escape the pump is safe. Also be sure that your finger is fully sealing the outlet barb.
Hey M Sato, This test is specific to the Guardian Purifier. For the MiniWorks it is best to use the included gauge to measure the ceramic and ensure it is large enough. It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for cracks in the filter element. -MSR
Has MSR done anything to solve the major issue of the internal plastic piston breaking? Our Guardian completely failed after only 8 months of usage and we’d only got about 100 litres out of it. Anyone using this regularly and long term will eventually have the same issue. The plastic piston is weak and will never process 10,000L as MSR claim. Don’t trust the Guardian.
Bush Channel: I've seen other reviews on Utube & elsewhere which say the same as you so I think its probably a design fault (the piston). I was planning to get one of these but now I've changed my mind and ordered a Katadyn Hiker Pro instead. All the reviews I've seen for the Katadyn are good and their customer support is excellent.
You couldn't get these turds to seal up even if you wanted to after the first year of use. MSRs fix is to loosen the bottom until it stops. But every time you put on a bottle or bag it wants to tighten so you're constantly wondering if this turd is gonna produce garbage water for you. I will never buy another one of these things again.
According to many youtubers this is a piece of shit made in china or chinese plastics are being used. I also hear that MSR service is very bad. Nowadays i use a sawyer, never going back.
Had my gaurdian for 2 years now. Not a single problem. I think people either don't know how to use it or they have a defective part. In that case msr should replace it. But i have a hard time believing some of the bad reviews
STAR Could be indeed but i have a hard time wondering how one could misuse this. I know from experience that pumping my 90s waterworks was quite the workout. ;)
I love this. One comment show an actual broken filter. Words are one thing but with RUclips we can actually see. Other videos like the QuickDraw show and integrity test the same way and no actual broken visual example.
Thank you for the post. You could really help out even more if you had a link to another clip on what to do if the system is compromised; showing which O ring(s) fail and stock numbers with demo of replacement, filter replacement along with stock number, piston replacement ... You would help sell more if we though the high cost of this unit made sense by reasonable repair cost. I'm looking for a unit ( maybe 2) and reading reviews, cost of repair, reliability...
Hi Jay J, Thanks for reaching out. While we can't link you to another clip to highlight the items you mentioned, we encourage you to get in touch with the pros in our repair shop. Contact info can be found at www.msrgear.com/en/warranty. They will be more than happy to fill you in on o-rings, filter replacement and any other technical questions you have regarding repairing your Guardian Purifier. Keep up the adventures, Mackenzie
Great video! What an amazing bit of kit!
that is good to know. I hope I do not forget
Put the bottom cap into the lid of the Nalgene.
Is contamination an issue when the hoses and ports are disconnected?
As both of the hoses are on the contaminated side of the filter, I would say that you wouldn't introduce any contaminants into the filter. However, always assume that you will get contaminants from the water on your hands. Here is a video from MSR on how to void cross contamination - ruclips.net/video/fpGbGqVA7dk/видео.html&ab_channel=MSRGear
So want to get me one of these!
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@MSRGear
I was wondering if you know if old school style Nalgene, HDPE, bottles are clear enough to preform a integrity test, and if you are able to see bubbles( through the white slightly opaque bottles) showing the filter is compromised? They are definitely lighter, than the triton style hard Nalgenes by a few ounces. Kinda hard to know if this style would work, unless i knew someone who had a compromised filter, which im guessing you have? I think this info could be helpful, as i bet you already know that Nalgenes are seen as heavy in the backpacking community, and being able to use the lighter weight HDPE Nalgenes I think would maybe make those people uneasy about hauling Nalgenes, take a second look at The Guardian.
so, if it's compromised, does that mean I need a new filter, or a whole new system also, before I buy one of these bad boys, is there any warranty for it ?I work at a camp for at risk youth, and I will be using this filter to have safe drinking water from lakes, and creeks for the yputh, anyways, just wondering if I drop it, or if it breaks, if a warranty will cover it.
There could be several reasons why a Guardian would fail an integrity test. The most likely reason is that the filter has been compromised in same way and needs to be replaced. We do have standalone replacement cartridges available for purchase. The second most common reason would be that there is a faulty o-ring or seal somewhere in the purifier. Replacement for those are available in the Guardian maintenance kit. If you ever had any questions about the integrity of a filter, you can always send it in to our warranty and repairs facility for an evalutation.
The MSR Guardian, like all MSR products, carries a 3 year warranty against defects in materials an workmanship. You can read more about the warranty policy at the MSR website.
Has the leak issues been resolved or re-engineered, how about the same for the handle and the piston? Any update??? Too much negative reviews to safely purchase one without knowing these issues have been corrected.
Guardian handle breaking happens when customers force handle to pump; the issue was initially with the internal piston not having enough lubricated and people would force it to pump without inspecting issue, thus causing breakage. Piston lubrication has been fixed.
@@MSRGear thank you for clearing up that part of misconceptions up, i’m looking to invest in a this type of product, how about the issue of it leaking at the base above where you attach to a water bottle has that issue been resolved also, seems you failed to mention about that, too many videos on RUclips about that situation to be ignored? Would like to hear from you directly before I put out $375, and what is the limited warranty, that was kind of vague on your website
Well has the leaking at the base been fixed? Anyone, anyone, Bueller, Bueller?
What if there's 1 bubble every 5 seconds? It's not a steady stream but it continuously releases a bubble when doing the test
If a few bubbles are escaping we recommend pumping the handle 5 more strokes and observe for another 30 seconds. If no subsequent bubbles escape the pump is safe. Also be sure that your finger is fully sealing the outlet barb.
Can i do this on the miniworks
I was getting one bubble every 4 seconds or so - is that still considered safe?
No.
Does that test work on other MSR filter like the Miniwork?
Hey M Sato,
This test is specific to the Guardian Purifier. For the MiniWorks it is best to use the included gauge to measure the ceramic and ensure it is large enough. It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for cracks in the filter element.
-MSR
Has MSR done anything to solve the major issue of the internal plastic piston breaking? Our Guardian completely failed after only 8 months of usage and we’d only got about 100 litres out of it. Anyone using this regularly and long term will eventually have the same issue. The plastic piston is weak and will never process 10,000L as MSR claim. Don’t trust the Guardian.
Bush Channel: I've seen other reviews on Utube & elsewhere which say the same as you so I think its probably a design fault (the piston). I was planning to get one of these but now I've changed my mind and ordered a Katadyn Hiker Pro instead. All the reviews I've seen for the Katadyn are good and their customer support is excellent.
@@paganphil100 Yeah but it wont filter viruses
Hey Jimmy,
Please send these inquiries via email to consumer@cascadedesigns.com for better assistance.
Cheers,
-MSR
You couldn't get these turds to seal up even if you wanted to after the first year of use. MSRs fix is to loosen the bottom until it stops. But every time you put on a bottle or bag it wants to tighten so you're constantly wondering if this turd is gonna produce garbage water for you. I will never buy another one of these things again.
According to many youtubers this is a piece of shit made in china or chinese plastics are being used. I also hear that MSR service is very bad.
Nowadays i use a sawyer, never going back.
Had my gaurdian for 2 years now. Not a single problem. I think people either don't know how to use it or they have a defective part. In that case msr should replace it. But i have a hard time believing some of the bad reviews
STAR
Could be indeed but i have a hard time wondering how one could misuse this. I know from experience that pumping my 90s waterworks was quite the workout. ;)