Excellent reminder of just how hectic the 1860-1890 arms race was! Metallic cartridge, center fire, small bore, repeating magazines, and smokeless all go from unheard of to mainstream in less than 30 years.
Like he mentioned, the broomhandle mauser wouldn't come out until years later but it's still insane to think that we went from front stuffing single shot to semi-automatic magazine fed guns in just the span of 40-50 years.
Eric, I've been aware of Veterlli rifles for some time, but I never appreciated their importance in firearm development. Great video, thank you for the history lesson.
one of the reasons black powder repeaters werent adopted were the black powder fowling, black powder smoke, the thought that troops would waste ammunition.
"Welcome back everybody this is Eric the Third from IV8888, It's 2120 and I want to showcase these old guns from 2020 used during the Coronavirus Big Igloo"
Eric, this video was so much fun and quite wonderful. Thank you for putting it together especially with all the rifles on the big table to see as well... I could listen to these stories and histories all day... nicely done !
I miss my 1918 terni 6.5x 52 carcano. It was stolen from me during a break in at my old house in new mexico. Since then I have bought 2 more 6.5 carcanos. Both of which were made in 1944. And I shoot them quite often. Awesomw video. Keep up the good work. Thank you for all the i formation you provide to us on a daily basis.
I love firearm history just as much as I love my modern firearms. Keep making these history videos. Great to watch as I polish a bolt and install a new trigger kit on a build.
Regarding the 6.5 carcano sleeved barrel Vetterlis it was a patented special pressed in interference fit . If weapon is in good shape safe to shoot . The sleeve is not a cause for concern. However the rear locking lugs are not as strong as front lug design so heavy loads should be avoided.
I'm just now stumbling upon your videos - just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this, and how rare it is to find well-researched information on historic arms. I so appreciate you. It's important to remember that the American stream of innovation from the Civil War to WWI was not happening in a vacuum, and you've shown an amazing lineage of innovation in Europe. There was so much more than John Browning and Paul Mauser going on! Finally, as it happens, I have a Vetterli which has been handed down from my grandfather, who purchased it on the civilian market in the U.S. sometime around 1930. It was his first firearm, and the beginnings of a collection my family continues to enjoy to this day. Thanks so much for your video. PS: If you have any leads on where to find 10.4x38 Swiss ammo (at any price) please share!
Royal tiger has some 1870/87 Italian vetterli TS carbines for 499 which isnt bad considering how rare they are. rumor has it they may have some 1870 carbines in an unopened crate. theyre sold out of the vetterli 70/87 long rifles.
Love yalls content! Been trying to build my collection slowly but surely getting it built up. When I have questions y’all are the first place I go. Keep up the great work and content. Thank you again.
@@Iraqveteran8888 I did the conversions myself with a drill press. I’m using rcbs decapping pins for firing pins. I make my brass from 50-110 winchester brass. Your videos rock, and your Vetterli videos are the best on youtube.
I’ve got a sleeved veterlli that came from my grandparent’s home. It was part of a standing floor lamp that stayed in the corner of their living room for 40 years. I’ve thought about tracking down some ammo and shooting it, but every source of online info specifically warns against it.
Thanks Eric. I own a 1870/87/15 After Othias' experience, I have never shot it. nor will I but it is a interesting rifle. I wish I had the older varriant since it had the same magazine as my 1870 Beaumont -one I know you have too and thanks for showing me how to make rounds from 50/70 brass.
Consider also we had the 30 40 krag before the end of the 1800s. This was a great presentation which he was not saying we were behind the times, just more interesting developments everywhere. Here and there.
I'm up to four black powder cartridge rifle now. Three of them are repeaters. The only one that's single shot is strangely enough the newest, made in 1893. What is this hilariously obsolete black powder single shot made seven years after the French had their smokeless repeaters? That would be the US trapdoor Springfield.
I had a Swiss Vetterli that I inherited from my older brother that was ultimately stolen when the house lost its roof during a hurricane. Took that gun apart more times than I could guess. Not a single fastener was undamaged. Would have loved to have fired that thing but the bore was so "brown" that the rifling was undetectable even if ammo was available.
I bought like 20 boxes of that 1935-1938 Mannlicher ammo and I regret nothing. So cool to see it. I have a stripper clip of it at work and people always ask questions.
Unfortunately the italians converted most of their 70/87s into 6.5 carcano smokless firing rifles during WW1. they arent designed for smokless and arent safe to shoot, making the original 70 87s somewhat rare.
Hey Eric- I just had a Swiss Vetterli in .41 passed down to me. I’ve been trying to find a way to contact you about converting to center fire and casings. Please reach out if you can.
Would you consider it safe to shoot low pressure "gallery loads" in the 6.5 conversion? Seems like a good way to get all the old school feels without the difficult to source components.
Another point your videos have also made is the round used by an old gun may be superior depending on what you're doing. Sometimes old can be better. That trap door short range through brush beat every modern brush gun you had going away.
I have a vetterali conversion in 6.5 with number matched bayonet. A long spear with bayinet installed.wonder what its value is, might check GunBroker, but am sceptical of the pricing there & what percent ever need sell.
Excellent reminder of just how hectic the 1860-1890 arms race was! Metallic cartridge, center fire, small bore, repeating magazines, and smokeless all go from unheard of to mainstream in less than 30 years.
Like he mentioned, the broomhandle mauser wouldn't come out until years later but it's still insane to think that we went from front stuffing single shot to semi-automatic magazine fed guns in just the span of 40-50 years.
@@buckweatable 30 no 40, 50 years! Kinda not that impressive actually
Eric, I've been aware of Veterlli rifles for some time, but I never appreciated their importance in firearm development. Great video, thank you for the history lesson.
The Italian impersonation was spot on
igotta new rifle !!! fugettabout it. lol
Itsa me, Eric 👌
the perfect gun to hunt in the bayou
And have a showdown with every now and then too
Just got to get out with the bounty
Iron Sights, Scope or Bayonet version, pick one..
Great History lesson. Virtually everything in this video was new to me.. thanks.
one of the reasons black powder repeaters werent adopted were the black powder fowling, black powder smoke, the thought that troops would waste ammunition.
You guys have such a unique channel and love your presentation of odd and relatively unknown Milsurp rifles.
Love my swiss vetterli...it was a great project to convert to centerfire and find a load for it...even harvested a nice whitetail doe with it
"Welcome back everybody this is Eric the Third from IV8888, It's 2120 and I want to showcase these old guns from 2020 used during the Coronavirus Big Igloo"
Love my Vetterli that was passed down to me.
Really well done.Informative and with passion about your chosen interest BRAVO!
Eric, this video was so much fun and quite wonderful. Thank you for putting it together especially with all the rifles on the big table to see as well... I could listen to these stories and histories all day... nicely done !
This definitely needs to be a new series. The history is what originally got me into firearms and the preservation of them.
I miss my 1918 terni 6.5x 52 carcano. It was stolen from me during a break in at my old house in new mexico. Since then I have bought 2 more 6.5 carcanos. Both of which were made in 1944. And I shoot them quite often. Awesomw video. Keep up the good work. Thank you for all the i formation you provide to us on a daily basis.
I love firearm history just as much as I love my modern firearms.
Keep making these history videos. Great to watch as I polish a bolt and install a new trigger kit on a build.
Regarding the 6.5 carcano sleeved barrel Vetterlis it was a patented special pressed in interference fit . If weapon is in good shape safe to shoot . The sleeve is not a cause for concern. However the rear locking lugs are not as strong as front lug design so heavy loads should be avoided.
Never heard of the veterlli before. Thanks Eric, that's another few grand I gotta spend to get into those types of guns 😂
Go see some of C and R senals channel videos they deep dive on these rifles
@@Perry2186 not a bad idea, I've heard good things about him but haven't checked him out yet
Joe Garofalo II They’re very long videos but very good. There’s also a lot of them. Get ready to head down the rabbit hole. 😂
@@StarSwarm. man, and I thought this video was a rabbit hole lol
Lucky you
Waiting for Ian to show up since Eric was loving on the French.
Ian from forgottenweapon ?
@@arilagi
Nah, Ian from Pasadena California.
I'm just now stumbling upon your videos - just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this, and how rare it is to find well-researched information on historic arms. I so appreciate you. It's important to remember that the American stream of innovation from the Civil War to WWI was not happening in a vacuum, and you've shown an amazing lineage of innovation in Europe. There was so much more than John Browning and Paul Mauser going on! Finally, as it happens, I have a Vetterli which has been handed down from my grandfather, who purchased it on the civilian market in the U.S. sometime around 1930. It was his first firearm, and the beginnings of a collection my family continues to enjoy to this day. Thanks so much for your video. PS: If you have any leads on where to find 10.4x38 Swiss ammo (at any price) please share!
Please do a reloading video for the 78 Vetterli!
Good video. Thanks. This is the stuff I collect.
Royal tiger has some 1870/87 Italian vetterli TS carbines for 499 which isnt bad considering how rare they are. rumor has it they may have some 1870 carbines in an unopened crate. theyre sold out of the vetterli 70/87 long rifles.
Greetings from Switzerland :) Love your videos!
There is so much awesome in this video. Great info brother!
Tubular magazines arent much faster than single shots. especially once theyre depleted and sometimes they can take even longer to load.
Love yalls content! Been trying to build my collection slowly but surely getting it built up. When I have questions y’all are the first place I go. Keep up the great work and content. Thank you again.
More history, more knowledge. Thanks for the lesson!
I loves me some good firearms/military history content 👍
Doing great with the vids as always Eric
You ain't Ian or Othias, but it was a nice overview rather than concentrating on one platform.
Outstanding historical review of early bolt guns for military applications.
I hope you guys make more videos like this as I am very interested in old military rifles.
Cool video luv the history + knowledge
Thank you for always sharing your knowledge.
That Carcano round looks suspiciously like my 6.5 Creedmore rounds.
I wonder why
I have to say I’m always either extremely inspired by, or unbelievably jealous of your collection Eric.
It's important to appreciate good firearms, right up until the point they're outlawed and forcibly confiscated, like here in Canada.
As a austrailan i agree.
as an American, I'll probably understand in a few months.
Appreciate y’all from Texas ^^
Well presented Eric. Thank you. I hope Hickok watches ur channel. jb
Finally something other than a gun gripe! also the italian one is more complex actually
I have 3 Swiss Vetterli rifles. Currently my favorite firearms to shoot.
Who did your Centerfire conversion work? There’s quite a few fun ways to accomplish it
@@Iraqveteran8888 I did the conversions myself with a drill press. I’m using rcbs decapping pins for firing pins. I make my brass from 50-110 winchester brass. Your videos rock, and your Vetterli videos are the best on youtube.
Imagine being a soldier and the first time you find out about a machine gun is when it’s spraying lead at you
The transition era from black powder to smokeless is pretty awesome. Extremely interesting stuff.
I was wondering where the roots of the m block clip came from. Thanks Eric
Enblocs (not m-block) were a Ferdinand Mannlicher invention. Head over to C&Rsenal and watch the video on the 1888 Austrian Mannlicher for more info.
Oh how neato. Appreciate videos like this. Thank you!
Great vid. I love the m95. Only bought 2, many years ago, and wish I had bought 10. Awesome little bush-woods carbine for deer hunting.
Wow first time Ive seen you guys have a Gras/Chassepot on the show
Hey thanks for the history lesson love it
Vetterli? Now that is just awesome
Reloading showcase for 41 swiss and Italian vetterli?
Eric blushed when he said Manlicher.
I thought I already knew everything to know about the Vetterli. Looks like I was wrong
Very interesting! Thanks Guys.
Rich.
I’ve got a sleeved veterlli that came from my grandparent’s home. It was part of a standing floor lamp that stayed in the corner of their living room for 40 years. I’ve thought about tracking down some ammo and shooting it, but every source of online info specifically warns against it.
Oh Yeah! Just subscribed!
Lovely video Eric greetings from Norway
You must have a very amazeing collection
Take a shot every time he says right
Oh YEAH! Nothing better then some IV88 with my coffee and wake n' bake! 👍
That was a great summary Eric. Well done. 👍🏻👍🏻
P.S. Ohhh... I just realised too. It’s spelt “Vetterli”.
There was one at a flee market a few years ago for 120$. It got molested by rust. Didnt end up picking it up.
Thanks Eric. I own a 1870/87/15 After Othias' experience, I have never shot it. nor will I but it is a interesting rifle. I wish I had the older varriant since it had the same magazine as my 1870 Beaumont -one I know you have too and thanks for showing me how to make rounds from 50/70 brass.
Interesting, the US was super behind the times in regards to firearms technology during the 1860's and onward... fascinating! Great vid
Consider also we had the 30 40 krag before the end of the 1800s. This was a great presentation which he was not saying we were behind the times, just more interesting developments everywhere. Here and there.
I'm up to four black powder cartridge rifle now. Three of them are repeaters. The only one that's single shot is strangely enough the newest, made in 1893. What is this hilariously obsolete black powder single shot made seven years after the French had their smokeless repeaters? That would be the US trapdoor Springfield.
Gun Jesus shuddered audibly every time Eric said Gras.
I had a Swiss Vetterli that I inherited from my older brother that was ultimately stolen when the house lost its roof during a hurricane. Took that gun apart more times than I could guess. Not a single fastener was undamaged. Would have loved to have fired that thing but the bore was so "brown" that the rifling was undetectable even if ammo was available.
Thank you for this!! 🤘🏼
I see the Makarov on the wall behind him.
Brandon Herrera would be proud.
Thanks for another educational video
I bought like 20 boxes of that 1935-1938 Mannlicher ammo and I regret nothing. So cool to see it. I have a stripper clip of it at work and people always ask questions.
VERY COOL !!!! .... THANK'S WELL DONE
Aww, look at you and Chad in that video clip, all young and thin.
Right on time
wait right up until 0900 to get ready for the videos
I have one, I got it converted to centerfire, I am waiting for my brass to get here to start loading them up :)
I bought a CZ 52 I like it alot
@iraqveteran8888 could you please do an updated video on the beretta 92 series love the content keep it coming.
last Vetterli, model Beretta 34 converted in single shot 22lr for training
Wow thats an amazing video you did here. Do you have or will you make a pistol history video?
Why do I like it when Eric replaces his, "T's" with, "d's"?
Very interesting and informative video. Thanks.
Exelent insight 💪🏻
With these videos i can't wait to see a crossover with Ian...
Unfortunately the italians converted most of their 70/87s into 6.5 carcano smokless firing rifles during WW1. they arent designed for smokless and arent safe to shoot, making the original 70 87s somewhat rare.
Hey Eric- I just had a Swiss Vetterli in .41 passed down to me. I’ve been trying to find a way to contact you about converting to center fire and casings. Please reach out if you can.
"Maastricht" is a city in the southern part of the Netherlands in the Limburg province.
And the next book from Headstamp publishing is.... Step into that spotlight Eric!
Hi Eric, I would like to ask you to do a revision of the bersa tpr9. thanks and keep it up
Great video!
Would you consider it safe to shoot low pressure "gallery loads" in the 6.5 conversion? Seems like a good way to get all the old school feels without the difficult to source components.
Another point your videos have also made is the round used by an old gun may be superior depending on what you're doing. Sometimes old can be better. That trap door short range through brush beat every modern brush gun you had going away.
I have no idea why somebody doesn't start making the bullets for the 41 or show us how to convert to the 6.5 or even 410 shells.
Can you do a Beaumont recap? You did a video years ago but I'd like to see what that gun can do at 400 yds.
Great video, More like this please!
When you see others focusing their inner Father Guido Sarducci. LOL
Great video. Now let’s see you cover the Kropatschek rifle system.
I love learning about these old guns but if I would buy an antique rifle where would I buy ammunition for them?
I wonder if you'll do a video on the Enfield rifles next.
Honestly first thing I noticed was the albanian sks in the back. Didnt think you guys had one of those
I have a vetterali conversion in 6.5 with number matched bayonet. A long spear with bayinet installed.wonder what its value is, might check GunBroker, but am sceptical of the pricing there & what percent ever need sell.
Hey I know a small backwoods shop that has two Swiss rifles in (I think) .41 cal.
Look at the firearms technology that changed from 1860 to 1960