Previewing the NBA Lottery Prospects for 2024 With Sam Vecenie | The Ryen Russillo Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- Ryen Russillo is joined by Sam Vecenie of The Athletic to talk about the top prospects headed into this year’s draft.
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My video wasn’t working but it was really cool to hear ryen talk to mordecai about the draft!
saw you're comment halfway through the video, and now thats all i can hear lol
It’s almost ai generated
Like Mordecai and Rigby? I don't hear it
Every guy in this top 13 is like, "well I'd love him at 7-12"
It's a fun game to look back at previous drafts and be like, "how many guys would go first in this draft?"
It's actually funny with the Giddey trade just happening because people seem really down on it because Chicago didn't get a pick but if Giddey were in this draft he's a lock top 2 pick.
If giddey were coming in at his current age having shown what he’s shown he’d be such a clear 1 in this draft.
@@SeamalicousAlex Sarr’s worst case scenario is Josh giddey lol. He was essentially the nikola topic prospect of 2021
Giddey is underrated. Good trade for the Bulls. Good trade for OKC. Just makes sense.
When Thunder fans were wanting to get rid of him for a bag of peanuts I was saying that based on his age and what hes done hes still a top prospect. The discourse and hate from a lot of Thunder fans clouded their judgement. Hed missed one shot our have a turnover and they would have a fit and complain that he should be bench and shouldnt play. I tried my best to keep it cordial but after a year I just had to be truthful and say that their idiots and it shows.
@@soggybread749 I actually ran into a bunch of Thunder fans defending him and telling me how stupid I was to even suggest they should trade him. He was part of their core
Really tempted to go find all those comments now and see what they think after what happened in the playoffs. Something any rational person could see coming a mile out
Russillo and Mock Draft Klay Thompson was cookin this pod 🔥🔥🔥
Ryen and Sam’s yearly draft show is how I make it through every year, guys are hummin
Devin Carter had the same vertical as Reed Shepherd. They both hop 42 in. I don't think Reed Shepherd is as fast as Devin Carter but he's a hellacious athlete himself. I think both guys will be pretty good in the NBA.😊
His vert wasn’t really 42, he alligator armed the standing reach to make his vert look stronger
I'd like to add this to the Reed Sheppard discourse about his height. At the combine, w/out shoes on Reed Sheppard measured 6'1.75. Here are the heights of some nba point guards measured at the combine w/out shoes on, listed from tallest to shortest.
Steph Curry 6'2.0
De'Aaron Fox 6'2.0
Damian Lillard 6'1.75
Kyrie Irving 6'1.75
Donovan Mitchell 6'1.25
Jalen Brunson 6'1.0
Trae Young 6'0.5
Chris Paul 5'11.75
Tyrese Maxey didn't measure at the combine, but the 76ers originally measured him at 6'1.5 and then changed it to 6'2 the following year. Similar can be said about Darius Garland, I think he might be even shorter.
These are all great point guards, the only ones on this list taller than Sheppard are Curry and Fox by .25 inches. For what its worth, Sheppard outperformed these players for the athleticism drills (vertical, shuttle drill etc). Also his defensive stats in college are by the best out of this groups, with the 2nd most steals per game behind Chris Paul and the most blocks by far. I'm not saying he is a great defensive prospect, but compared to these players coming out of college he isn't anymore of a defensive liability than they were. I would not be as scared about him defensively as some people are, especially considering how weak the draft is.
I feel like the argument you're making is about his potential ceiling. Unfortunately at his size, the issue is his floor and when you start looking at % of 6'1 players who are coming hot out of college there is a larger discrepancy of getting played out of the league or in a hyper-focused role. I.e first players come to mind are Davion Mitchell, Payton, TJ Mconell who have carved out a specific niche/role into a good set up. You listed some of the greatest point guards of all time in your list, that's an insanely high bar to hit or if your someone like trae, garland you need the right home and teammates to cover your defiences. I also don't take the draft combine stuff too seriously as athletic metrics don't really correlate to NBA games. I am high on Sheppard, but I'm curious which team will take him. I think San Antonio, Orlando, Houston would be amazing
The size issue is not height but standing reach. He is 5 inches shorter than Steph and same as Trey Young and Isiah Thomas who are tiny undersized guards.
Your argument breaks down when it comes to Reed most likely not ever being the primary option on a team. All those guards you listed are guys where their offensive capabilities allow teams to look past their sub par defense. There’s a difference between a Lou Will guy and all the guys you just listed
not sure why podcasters will do a 24 hour podcast and not put any chapters.
RE: Devin Carter and guard heights, Derrick White is 6'3.25, measured at his combine at 22 years old (didn't grow); just has the length and stature where he looks and plays bigger. Carter is the same height and length as Marcus Smart; I think he could be close to Smart on D but better on O. 37% 3s with dynamic makes this year
Dillingham should be the clear #1 pick this year. Trust your eyes.
This video made me go watch Reed Shepherd highlights. I've got to say that the ball has a beautiful sound going through the hoop on his three-point shots. He does seem too good to be true though. If this guy was 6'5 he would be the number one pick without anybody bickering about it. I think he would play right away in today's NBA. Maybe he's the backup guard but in a situation like San Antonio I think he could play the point. That would be a pretty cool young core.
“I’d like Risacher at 9”
Ooh got my mouth watering thinking of him with GG Jackson in Memphis! Don’t need to be on ball when Marcus Smart & Ja Morant are going down the court
Even drafting Bronny in the 2nd round would STILL be a huge favor to Klutch
I'd love to see the Thunder take a flyer on Nikola Topic at 12 and let him sit for a year.
What's the point? He wouldn't get playing time.
@@dimitrijetucovic1307 Why not? He’s a high ceiling guy. If he’s good, which many believe he will be, he’ll get playing time, after a year of sitting and healing his knee. He’s only 18. Good play making ability, especially around the rim, big bodied point guard. Was projected top 10, closer to top 5, now with the injury he will probably be there at 12. It would be a good pick given how much draft capital OKC has.
@@2160michael How will he develop if he doesn't have the ball and he won't have the ball with Alexander playing his position. Topić is the best player from this draft but he needs to go to a team that will develop him and give him playing time and the ball.
@@2160michaelthey just know traded Giddey who is better, because he didnt have the ball in his hands. Why and the he'll would they do that again. It makes 0 sense
I don't Topic at all as a lead guard. But if he develops a shot he could become a decent playmaker.
There are going to be gems in this draft, it’s just harder than other drafts to find them. It’s half a test of real player analysis and projection, and just pure dumb luck.
3 all stars here somewhere
Agreed! This is why I feel like San Antonio owns this draft with 2 lottery picks. 2 dart throws are better than 1 😁
The NBA draft projections are all over the place this year
Lotta MPJ’s in this draft
I like this show. Thanks.
2 days??? F I can’t even watch one day of the nba draft
Especially this year.
Tbf doesn’t that make it better? Nobody wants to stay up to 2am to see Bronny get picked, so maybe people will watch on ESPN7 the next day
Sounds like you don’t like this aspect of basketball at all. That’s not necessarily the products fault
I like it. I also don’t have a life
@@michaelbailey8850 lol really not even the f experts like russilo like this idea I guess he doesn’t like it either . I bet you don’t know 96 percent of the people
I want Reed at 4 to my Spurs. They need a shooter. They need a PG. Put him with Wemby and he’ll be awesome.
Defense xD?
Yeah there's some passing stuff where he's throwing left handed ropes off the bounce that's like wow. Plus he reads the game.
You kind of wish he could have just been able to go full Trae Young in college just to see what it looks like.
It's not impossible that he's a little Nash-ian with defensive playmaking. And his defensive stuff is very Bird-ish but he's 6'1" not 6'9"
Absolute worst case he's a TJ McConnell or Grayson Allen level guy that is just good and impactful. With him and Clingan I think it's pretty impossible that they are bad.
I like Dillingham better for the Spurs.
@@michaelahurtman he is literally nothing like TJ McConnell lmao
@@andrewquinlan8685 TJ McConnell _LEVEL_
I didn't say he played like TJ
Might need to retake sixth grade and work on your reading comprehension
The most important skill in the NBA is reliably creating and exploiting mismatches on offense, especially against versatile switching defenses. So the question is which player in this draft creates the biggest mismatch against your standard 6'8", 220-pound switchable wing? Which player virtually guarantees either a double team or an easy, high-percentage shot every time down the floor against that kind of player? If that kind of guy is really, really elite offensively, you can figure out how to work around any matchup problems he might have defensively. That's who I'd be looking to take #1 personally.
Zach Edey
I do love how all this probably did is fire SAM up further to get his next/final mock draft episode up for his podcast next week
Zach Edey is and will be the best player in this draft. He just needs the right opportunity
The best player shouldn’t need the right opportunity. They should be good in any opportunity
@@Shortballa11he just needs a team to throw him the ball in the post is what he is saying
@@carterfarris39 there is no team like that. Post play is one of the least productive plays unless you are Jokic Embiid or Porsingis
Matas Buzelis is the biggest wildcard in the draft. Ultimate boom or bust.
Presti loves this draft
How do you know
@@carterfarris39 He said it
You'll talk about Bronny but not Edey?
Guy looks like Harmony Korine
"you need a 5 out look in the nba cuz its going to be hard to score" now thats a hot take
Ron Holland intrigues me
This draft is hard to get excited about.
2 days draft? Are they spending 2 days on the first 5 picks?
first 3 picks gonna take 1 day 22 hours
No Terrence Shannon Jr talk? I get he's 23 but he has elite speed to the basket and really good athleticism,6'6 as well. he will be the best rookie out the gate on whatever team he goes to. He's a great defender, not a horrible 3pt shooter but that could improve. His legal issues are behind him now and i just dont get how he is still rated as a late 1st.
Crypto P is a defensive demon compared to say Trae Young.
It is so crazy that Reed Shepherd shot 52 + percent from three. He wasn't shooting a ton of them every game but he was shooting a lot of them and his shot is super sweet. I just looked up his vertical jump to see if he had any real chance in the NBA and he was tied for the highest vertical jump this year at 42 inches. Draft this guy number one.
They spoke on it this video - the vert was fudged due to either an error or intentional gaming of his standing reach. Even Reed himself said “something was miscalculated”
@@UnbeatableJacob I actually saw Reed Shepherd talking about his vert with Paul George. He basically said they allowed him to slightly cheat but he still has about a 40-inch +vertical. That takes him out of the number one, two or three spots but he's still close to the top. Dude has hops.
Thanks for crushing my dreams for any draft pick in this class helping my Spurs, lol.
Bronnys heart issue is the biggest fear
That and he isn't good
Like like like like
This guy sounds like mordecai from regular show
Great video ryen. So glad you got rid of that utter garbage life advice at the end. Definitely will watch again now
Why is russillo the first person to say what so many must be thinking? The media should not being doing this to this kid. They are embarrassing themselves. Are they clutch's puppets? Why is it so easy to make them put on this show? How can they do it with a straight face? Do they have any dignity left?
Love the Lowry shade
NBA champion and future hof’er , Kyle Lowry ?
oh yeah can’t stand the guy ! 😅
Video podcasts have got me fucked up. Based on his voice, I always thought Vecenie was a balding white dude with glasses in his mid 50's.
balding white dude ain't that far off but I still got enough hair to where it's not catastrophic yet in my early 30s
Cmon guys----give Reed 6'2"😂😂😂
Two days of coverage is such a bad idea
i speak for everyone when i say we need another joy taylor episode
2 days is not good.
Reed is better than Pitchard??????
Vibes are off on this one
If you don’t take Sarr 1st, you need to get fired
These are the Haws we are talking about...
Yeah I think like 8-9 of those guys are in the same tier but Sarr is potentially a longer Bam Adebayo with more offensive upside. He needs the fewest things to go right to be an All-Star
He very likely could be Nerlens Noel. Or maybe he's the antidote for a league that will require more and switching as way to short circuit all these great offensive players
Saying this from your couch after a shift of manual labor is bold.
@@joeshmoe8134talking shit to random strangers is so cool
@@mattdavid716 children always confuse truth for “hating.”
It almost feels like Atlanta has the burden of the number one pick. Donovan clingan seems to be the only guy that has a mostly positive chance of being a contributor in the next season. Everyone else seems like they're a project and there's already so many project guys in the NBA. Plus it looks awful for the management when they draft a guy number 4 who's got the number 25 talent.😊
Every time you compare performances in the NCAA and professional leagues like the one in France, I cringe.
It's obvious that it's harder to attack 28-year-old pros than future accountants. It's the same thing when it comes to responsibilities. Teams don't have time to tank, they have to win games, so young players have to prove themselves before they can play attacking for established 28-year-olds.
In 5 years, Risacher could be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a team in the conference finals.
I thought that was klay Thompson 😂😂
No one is watching the nba draft. Nothing but a bunch of off brand players.
The 2000 draft is arguably the worst NBA draft ever. Or at least will be.
This year will take that award.
seems to be a popular opinion from the clueless draft experts and the idiots that parrot them
@@robitaillecopeland1996 Agreed. Fortunately I get to watch a lot of NCAA ball (not like a big journalist or anything - just a small college in upstate New York) Not exactly a high paid gig. But enough to at least watch the NCAA and unless we have hidden gems overseas, this is going to be a very unimportant draft.
First
Zacc ain’t it
Yeah stretching the draft over 2 nights is stupid, makes sense to do it if your the NFL cause it’s 7 rounds but the nba is ridiculous
Nikola Topić will be the best player from this draft after 5 years.
yall coulda talked about ANYTHING else!🤦🏽♂️
Other than the NBA draft that's coming in a week?
Vecenie talks like a high school girl.
Whoever watches day 2 of the NBA draft is A special type of dummass