Pagan's MC: Past, Present, and Future with Author Dave Wedge
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Mail Man was lost in battle. Every single year we have a huge party for him an a huge amount of money goes to his family
I knew Rambo personally. He was shot in the back at hellraiser ball. He regretted ever joining them. J T was killed for 700 dollars this year. I will never fly colors.
@@bryanlineberry5502 i have bin out now for a while. Theres alot of good things and also alot of bad sometimes more bad than good.
My grandpa was a pagan and was at the hells raisers ball and every single member from Philly where there every single member kept their mouth shut did their time and came home but Philly was dominant presence out of all pagans that were their Philly has always been top force in pagan Nation
East Suffolk was the Pinnacle of the pagans in the 70's-80's. national president was Ooch outta LI
Don't forget several from Roanoke went to prison also.
@@tomlennon2204I remember the clubhouse in CI on Suffolk Ave
Incredibly qualitative podcast. Love how much pride you guys take in your work. You guys are the best and thank you.
Thanks for listening
You know I love the quick hitters but I get tingly inside when I see full hour long podcasts with Big Jimmy have been uploaded 😂.
Contrary to what is stated in this video, nobody joins ANY 1% MC to be a casual member. Being a member of a 1% MC means they own you - the club comes first before anything else and any refusal to follow an order = surrender your colors. So if they go to battle with another club, ANY member is in that battle whether they like it or not.
Ok sure but you can still have a life outside the club. I have friends that are in the Outlaws and the Pagans and they have regular jobs and a family life. These clubs aren’t on the streets at war with ppl 24/7, this isn’t Sons of Anarchy. It’s the South Shore of Massachusetts in 2023 or wherever they take up residence.
There are people that for example have construction companies like this guy said and they are not necessarily involved with the violence, but they are basically used as cash cows to fund their criminal activities.
@@Guillermo_Carratero This is typically done with civilians, not w members. It's because you can't have a patched member who suddenly disappears when its time to go to war with the rest of the club. Things like this would never go unnoticed by other members.
@@BostonsF1nestYou're missing the point. It's WHEN they go to war. This is IMPOSSIBLE to predict because they never know when a rival club might intrude into their territory. When that happens, you better believe that EVERY last member knows what is expected of them. It's what they signed up for...
None of you are a 1%er !!! Therefore none of you actually know what your talking about. You listen to too many reporters who get their information from Cops , who have an agenda. And especially the ATF. Their agenda is too look busy so they get more Government Funding. And this Author contradicts himself so much it’s hard to believe anything he says or has wrote about. I’ve read and listened to this book more times then I’d like to admit. And there are more contradictions than the Bible. The more time I spend on the 1%er scene , the more I PITY you people. Your so uneducated and inexperienced in this lifestyle it’s actually sad. What you people think , couldn’t be further from the truth of what the 1%er lifestyle actually is. I used to laugh at you all who spew this COPAGANDA B.S. It used to be comical for me , now i just feel bad for you. So next time you see a 1%er go up and talk to him and try to get to know him instead of getting scared and burying your head up your A** . You’ll find out he’s just a normal American man. He’s your neighbor and he’s your co worker. He’s your child’s school teacher , he checks your vitals when you go to the Doctors. Sometimes he is the Doctor who makes you well. We’re ALL working , in EVERY field you can imagine , except for cops , for obvious reasons , not because we’re criminals , because they’re trying to prove we’re criminals BEFORE they even KNOW a crime has been committed. They’re looking so hard , they start to see things that aren’t there , and then all of a sudden they start making things up because they can’t find anything. They Justify it by saying “ WE KNOW YOU DID SOMETHING THAT YOU GOT AWAY WITH”. … GTFOH. Anyway read the book and then find a Ken Crock 💩 interview. Then listen to this interview again. LOTS OF INCONSISTENCIES.
For sure this has been one of your better shows in my opinion. Thanks
Thank you!
My Dad was a Pagan MC for 30 plus years. Grew up around the club
Long Island has been Pagan turf for 40 plus years.... The big bust in the late 90s decimated the LI chapter. Thats when 81 moved in.
Then another bust in 2010 almost put a nail in the coffin. Now with the blue wave expansion and a bunch of old timers getting released from the big bust in the late 90s. The Pagans are back.......
What gangs are they talking about? Crips, bloods, who? I've never known a motorcycle gang. Clubs, yes, gangs no. That's why they have MC on their cuts, not MG...
Great show. I’ve always been fascinated by the inner politics of organized crime. Can’t wait to read the book. I do have to point out though that Stephen Flemmi’s parents were both Italian. He chose not to be inducted into the Patriarca Family. It was Frank Salemme who’s mother was Irish & was thus precluded from being inducted long as as Patriarca Sr. was the boss.
As someone with intimate knowledge of ken (so-called - Slam1%er) croke's time in the Pagan's I can say 95% of what he said is BULLS**T !
I'm a Long Island native and former member of a west coast club during their push into the east coast. We were tight with the Pagan's and being a LI guy i hung with them a lot as my club didn't have many guys on LI at the time. I met ken up in swan lake at a party at a Pagan members house. I won't go into detail as it isn't my business to put the names of the Pagan's and what they got charged with on blast. But i can tell you from what i saw firsthand combined with what they got hit with after croke came out from undercover.....the charges were trumped up, half-corrupt and blown WAY out of proportion. He is to the Pagan's what billy queen was to my former club. Spent a buttload of tax payer dollars to lock up a small handful of guys were grossly overcharged. My own chapter P spent 2+ yrs in a upstate NY county jail for sharing a bump of coke in a stripclub bathroom with a guy from another state. Ken croke's investigation got him for "trafficking". Yea yea, coke is illegal. But "trafficiking" for sharing a bump in a bathroom from a baggy that had less than half a gram ? And he is NOT 6'3". I am 6 feet even and he was shorter than me.
Tyrants mc ?
16s my favorite team lol. Respect
GFOD
@@loremaestergaming5238they cant even shower let alone act accordingly. Heard GFOD is now in jersey? Knew of them in PA
So what they're saying is undercover cops can do whatever they want and get away with it and then they go in arrest the members for doing the same exact thing
Not true, cops still are subject to the law. If a lawless situation arises they report in and have to stop all activities with the gang the same applies to infiltration of the mafia. They can not break the law.
I love you guys outlaw biker content. Keep up the great work
Great show !!
This pod was dope I actually got a chance to hear from the prosecutor (now a judge I believe) who did the case in LI what he thought about the banquet hall incident and his thoughts on the pagans😂😂
That was a great interview! That story has movie written all over it.
Love this channel for covering MC 1%ers.
Pagans were huge in Delco PA and Delaware for decades
They been in Roanoke and other parts of Virginia for long long time.
70s were different times not to many rat's. More trust and loyalty
I love this podcast the others are like soap opera
I certainly hope the man he threw on the ground had a chance to sue the govt for being beat by a govt employee
Ahh maybe Tony Soprano will be in the sequel to this comic book 😂
Scott is asking and answering the questions!!!! 😂
Good show. Biker shows are awesome
Grew up with a few different clubs my pops knew. Some outlaws in the 80s an later pagans later. I know may active members an a shit ton that have passed. I have only had a few issues with 1 or 2 members. Never came to anything. I was set to join before i served time. When i got out we all talked an i moved to iowa . I was taught all about the ins an outs with club an i took the good outa what was learned an applied it to my day to day. An i am doing great. Shaking the biker mentality is impossible. Still think violence answers everything. These guys are 100% ready all the time. Think of them as street gang. H A are bloods . Dime a dozen. Pagans are crips, smaller in numbers. But way more elite
The Pagan’s should give the Hells Angels their apostrophe. That will make everything right.
RIP White Bear 13 !
Great video !!!! Been getting into biker organized crime lately ! I think it would be great if yous get Scott jr ereckson on 4x national president of the Mongols ! His story is nuts !!!!!
hells Angels are famous but the pagans are notorious. my uncle and old man were pagans on long island in the 70's-80's.
I remember when you used to STFU about 1% clib business and didn't spill it all online. Only common and public knowledge were discussed and you didnt give anyone up with out permission.
Sincerely,
A members PPOL
Bein a Philly guy I knew n hung out with bout 1/2 dozen of them for a good 5 years at least once a week in 90s...no i wasnt a prospect, I hung out at an infamous AA CLUBHOUSE IN PHILLY...normal dudes gettin there life back...played alot of cards, gambled, made mtgs, chased broads...they were certainly characters but decent dudes nonetheless...most of em dead now, still laugh at some of our sober escapades....
Dope!
Oh great I'm watching now can't wait to hear about my FATHER HOGMAN and all the lies ken croke made up smfh
Fuck these pigs and their fanboy podcast dbags. Don't let them get to ya. You know the truth and so do many others. At this point it's becoming evident that cops are not to be trusted and are far more dishonest and dangerous than any outlaw club. I watch these videos to keep myself informed on all perspectives but I never believe what I hear without research or direct knowledge especially if it's coming from police, government or the mainstream media. I watched your interviews btw. You were great. You should do more of those. Even if it's repetitive it will get the truth out to more people the more shows you do. Keep your head up girl
The only people taking this seriously are other cops and SOA fans. You guys might as well be mainstream media reporters
Love the outlaw motorcycle Shit.
My opinion about the bikers, the way things are going in America the bikers will have to make peace. When or if we lose our liberty we will all lose together. I’m talking about the leftists and gangs like Antifa.
So is this a whole interview that is just a advertisement for a book? I get plugging your stuff but why mention a story and stop telling it to say "I dont want to give it away, read the book"? This video should have a disclaimer stating its a ad for a book .
Roadblock was MOST DEFINITELY NOTTTTTTT CLOSE TO BEING NECT TO CONAN U CANNOT BE SERIOUS ! And Jr is a snitch !!
Well it's a fed club now so
That was excellent... Great story good solid information....
Thanks for listening
What happens in prison with pagans and hells angels ? Do they put their hatred aside and stick together ?
Yes in prison when you are a 1%er all street beef stays on the street. The number of 1$er to gang members are 1 biker to 100 inmates. So when any another club members get time the will cell up with each other. Pagan , outlaw, ha, Mongols, vargos, bandnitos, SOS, galloping goose , El fastiros. The shit on the streets don't follow ya In
Yes. Generally speaking just as all street organizations due, when you go to prison it's typically organized by race or where you're from. Bikers have their own car in some Fed locations.
Also this dude ken only got so deep in the club because of money that's it point blank he had big bank roll cuz of government and not like pagans are rolling in doe hints why he got in so deep
(Argo Nunya) Jimmy DeGeorgeo
Can't imagine being tuned up on meth and living that lifestyle. To each their own.
Drop a comment for the algorithms, don't mind if I do.
There’s a gang of blacks and Hispanics in the pagans and I seen a black hells angel in jersey but he could’ve been a dark Puerto Rican the vp of the NYC angels is a 6foot5 burly puerto rican
Another Crime Fiction…
Pittsburgh again here them boys was big in the city and all around it alot are ex military the new gen anyways
Wow,this dude is proper reaching wi fella who's a fire man. Makes you fucking laugh!😂😂😂
Roadblock isn't even .... omg lol please ! 🙄
Yo this guy has no clue. Haha
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Guys ur story telling/ platform is lacking ....u have great storys , but ur jumping all over the place and theres no drsmtic intamacey ( like in the excellent frank dellesio segment on his undercover life) ..
Please restructer ur formate
Basically ur doing a broad overview....
We're Motorcycle CLUBS. Not "gangs".
Hahaha. Right
@@elliott9139 OFFO
@@neiljowen Haha. Whatever bruh
Guess author keeps saying "Gang" (instead of "Club") on purpose?!...bc EVERY other author clarifies gang is an insult among MC world.
This “reporter” has no clue what he’s talking about 😂
The guy on the top left drags out everything that comes out of his mouth, It’s like pulling teeth
Check Hells Angels vs Rock Machine war Montreal Quebec Canada hundreds dead.Was surprised how Violent Canadian bikers can get....
MAGA tbh
ARGO. NUNYA