Thanks to Lee Wright: ruclips.net/channel/UCmT_LZ31fROEeFC3TcBzV7Q I (Check out his channel!!) I figured out Evolve's problems: At 10s you need more Amps to get the power than with the 12s battery Voltage Lag: Samsung 35E cell that can't produce a lot of Amps - If you know more you're welcome to reply 😁
to add up, Samsung 35Es are 8 Amps max of continuous discharge so at a configuration of 10s3p, they will probably allow around 20 Amps which in my opinion is a very low Amperage for an Esk8. As for the overheating problem, probably the motors are too small for the load. They push more current when they are struggling to keep up so that might explain the issue.
Correct, this is a good example of a 12s3p to 10s4p power comparison although other factors like motor KV, gearing and the actual firmware are big influences on the final performance. The 35E can handle enough amps to run the GTR well while providing maximum range and longevity. On a side note, the fluctuations in the GTR's battery % are a communication error between ESC and remote and not an indication of the actual battery performance. We suggest the owner reaches out to his local Evolve service centre as we will be able to provide a fix for the % issue.
I am on my 3 board. Carbon 1 board. Carbon gtr. And the Gtx. I live in Michigan and this sport is gaining ground fast. I would love to promote your board in Michigan. I get stopped seem more than I ride because people are amazed by its looks ..speed. And range. I feel I am a good tester And love the life it would be a honor to test and promote your new boards... not saying give me a borad for free to keep just to test and give feed back. 4kbirdseye@gmail.com
Hope you don't hate me for this video 😅 It was a lot of fun and I will do it again VS a newer Version. (Hit me up if you have an AT Version in Zurich..)
Hey fabi you have to do the same test with the premium ONSRA AT vs one of evolve bamboo AT Gtr, so we can really see the main difference in price and quality
I just was about to order ONSRA, but... belt driven is not available until end of July, so thats basically all summer is gone. Then looked for DD and I was a bit surprised that total price comes to 1.478 EUR... I dont understand how you can justify the price. For additional 170 EUR EVOLVE GTR can be purchased. Yes, ONSRA on paper has better specs, but EVOLVE is premium brand with 2 years warranty compared for 180 days (with by the way again EU law for this board and no proven track of reliability...
Europe will take the longest because of the shipping but For any other countries we will be ready to ship in May already 😎 Still totally understsnd you. I also wanna provide the best warranty there is and for $1478 you get the full package. I’m not complicated about the warranty when you’re small you don’t wanna take too kany risks. It’s also saying it on my websites: Depends on what’s destroyed at the end even after the 6 months i still provide warranty!
Let me justify that really quickly, Evolve still has issues that would concern everyone if they knew about them, critical failures, in the remote and spontaneous braking engagement, full braking BTW, check the Reddit posts. More than one evolve rider has been spat out of the board because of this behavior... they will probably fix the board yes after you crash at full speed because the board disconnected or engaged the breaks.
Diogo eSkate yes, and we are all aware about this problem just because there are thousands evolve boards sold, while onsra just few and event according to Fabi, no other reviews. It migh have same issues as evolve and many more
@@WatchDoggyDog I want DD for less noise but everyone seems to get speed wobbles with DD. Wonder if out of sync motors can present problems. So guess stick with belt.
One of this guy’s videos popped up In my recommended from 2 years ago I was really surprised when I saw that this channel is now just electronic skateboards
This Evolve Board has a problem with the battery and the rims are too tight. An Evolve GTR normally never has a volt breakdown. Top speed is not a quality comparison, Evolve made a speed limit not for fun. That is for the safety of customers. Almost all of our customers like me usually drive around 35 km / h. The driving performance and feeling is what matters.
YESSS!!, I've been waiting for this Vid! I think sourcing locations and delivery of part manufacturers are a big factor but it's great to see the tech being pushed regardless. from custom boards, to VESC designs, I think it will scale with whats learn toward all EV tech, I hope!👌👌👌✨✨😌
@@fabiandörig I was really wondering how your board stacked up against Evolve but I was afraid to ask. I am definitely choosing yours over Evolve at this point. And you mentioned that your pice will be rising, and I don't mean to be rude, but is it going to rise significantly?
Yes Yes Yes! Make carbon fiber version as well please. Having options is always good and I will personally be buying 2 - 3 different 12s boards from you this year. maybe 2 belt and 1 inline-motors. Love your quality and passion. But please don't make them more expensive, as it is 1090 euro is already $2000 after conversion here in Nz!
haha, fair enough mate, I love your ply wooden versions anyway, besides you are right about the better ride in the end. Keep up the good work and I'll be placing my order soon, don't go shark on your prices and you'll sell many indeed ;)
one possible reason for temperature difference is that both board motors were actually built with the same voltage in mind. generally, motors will run at a higher voltage.
You know something...watching fabi, I envy him in a good way. It's nice to see someone do something they're passionate about for a living. Takes balls.
The only reason I can think for the evolve motors to get much hotter is that the board must have a 10S battery. The lower voltage requires higher current/amperage to match the 12S battery in power, and more current means more heat. Higher voltage means better efficiency
Fabi please If I cant decide which board I should buy. If the ONSRA BLACK Carve Direct Drive or ONSRA BLACK Carve DUAL BELT . From the specs I understand the difference and I did right belt and direct drive board. I would like to know which motors are better in terms of survivability in long teram use (i am like 95kg :) )
Hey Fabi, good stuff dude! I’ve been watching your videos for over 6 months and they never disappoint. I’m about to get my third board, it’s going to be a Kaly NyC XL50 or a Lacroix... When are you going to try the Kaly board?
Your board is great seeming. I have a gtr though. There is something wrong with his board or its not actually in Gtr mode. I do long rides with much better hill climbing than that and my motors get warm but definitely can touch them...
Bryan Crane good to know, i got worried after seeing this video. I thought the Evolve board wasn’t what i’ve been seeing around. (I just bought the Carbon GTR like 10 mins ago) This comment is reassuring, thank you!
Sorry to burst your bubble but Evolve doesn’t like their customers going full throttle. Full throttle causes over heating and battery sag. Evolve suggests you take it easy, really? Their boards are not fast or powerful and they want you to take it easy?
Chris Shin thanks! i got my board about 4 days ago and have been absolutely loving it, i’ve rode an insane amount of miles, and it’s been great the whole way!
Well I pre-ordered mine. I live in California, Bay Area region. Can you talk about the truck and the bushings. The roads aren’t the best condition here. I tend to ride at higher speed and stiffer bushings. Being able to make turns, if there’s a big crack or pothole up ahead. Can’t wait to try it out!
Thanks so much for you support 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 I’m glad you trust me. More videos of course come online and the final version gets shipped to me tomorrow already 😁🙌🏼 Also btw didn’t expect me to start off priduction this fast. I’m gonna be able to ship to the US in May already. Also gonna send it to 5 RUclipsrs this month too 🙌🏼🙌🏼 Thanks again 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Fabi! I only would like to say that that I will used to give a thumb up before watching. You deserve it. What program You use to make a movies? is it made on Mac ? Thanks for all deose testing !!
It doesn’t really matter at the end. All these websire belong to me after all. I recommend to get it on esk8us.com as you will get an even better price
Hello Fabi! I have an evolve bamboo gt but have been looking to buy a new board ! , I now know what I'm getting ! Thank you ! Going to buy myself 2 or 3 :D
Do you Think the direkt drive version is faster too? Love your Videos. I have already ordered a board could I have a key for the Cevlar shirt so i can buy it. Thx
can you please compare your ONSRA BLACK Carve with the ONSRA BLACK Carve Belt? For me i cant decide which should i use. i like the Hubs, silence and less visible, but im afraid how close it fits to the Ground. if i decide for the Hub motors, i would use it with the 115 rubber or 120 cloud wheels. Ist it possible to upgrade to 150mm AT wheels later? and will the Motor still works with the Hub motors >> ithink torque will go down, but offroad i need torque more than speed.
Wouldnt it be hilariously ironic if Evolve took issue with this video for unfavourable comparisons. They need to suck it up and make a better product next time.
His Evolve board was years old and fabis prototype was brand new, its only normal for the engines to start failing. They need to suck up? they never took this issue as an unfavorable comparison the fuck? Stop hallucinating child, Evolve has 1500watt motors while Onsra uses 1300watt
Well I bought a evolve wish I could get this as well now lol. Anyways great vid!! Fabi it's weird his GTR seems to be the only one I know that's having this problem has he contacted evolve? I ride uphill without any problems.
@@KostasC hasn't happened to anyone else as of I know I know he put some file on the motors but that shouldn't make it overheat. I changed the battery in my evolve n still no overheating
I have a GTR too. Its climbs hills with ease and doesn't heat up to the level he was suggesting. So he either isn't reviewing accurately ( I like Fabi, hopefully that's not it) or that gtr has motor issues.
Evolve is a Pos company! I bought a carbon gt and swapped everything out with. Vesc system and larger motors and added a Sony battery pack and my god my board is a monster hitting 34 mph with 175mm wheel’s
Hi there, I like your boards and watched a few of your videos, but I already have a ride1up board (10s3p - 47kmh) which I am happy with, especially cause cops can’t see and hear it on first view 😅 I would buy one of yours if I wouldn’t have one already. But I have had an accident where the board was going under a car and broke. Since you are testing a lot of boards, do you maybe can help me out with a cheap longboard only (can also be used already)? I am also from Switzerland in terms of shipping.
What is the weight difference between the 2 riders? Would have been interesting to switch riders and see how the board performs this way too. The Evolve rider looks much taller than Fabian. We could be taking about 10-15kg.
If you were to recommend one AT board that is cheaper than evolve that would be great... because it seems like it's not worth the cost of evolve as shown in this video.
I'm on the fence with replacing my bamboo gt and after seeing this i think I'm going to wait for your board. I'm not impressed that Evolve hasn't addressed the battery sag issue, given they charge that's proposterous! Well your board ship to Canada? Just looked at your site and i see your only shipping to European countries. Any plans to expand that to North America?
Yes i ship to the US and Canada. Always improving everything i have. The only fear for my customers is to have an old board within 6 months 😅 Imo it’s important to always improve and try to get the best out of a product. I wouldn’t feel comfortable to say this is the best if it’s not.
Thanks @majorpuffen74 and Fabi! I'm so pumped for this board! I've been dreading the fact of buying another Evolve only two experience severe battery sag within weeks of my purchase. I purchased my Evolve based on your recommendations back then, which was 3 years ago. That was the best choice bar none back then, but what you're doing now is incredible! Looking forward to getting my hands on one ASAP! Ride safe!
If you REALLY wanted to make your boards shine, find a battery manufacturer that makes a 13S battery and step the voltage down to 12S for the ESC. This would eliminate almost all voltage sag because the battery can supply a higher voltage than what the system runs on. Boosted uses a 13s2p battery. I’m pretty sure they do what I’m explaining because their boards at 1% battery still have full top speed and acceleration and it is a fantastic feeling
Boosted use LifePo4 cells, which have less voltage; that's why they can do 13s. With regular Li-Ion batteries 13s is too close to the 60V max the ESCs can handle. You risk having to replace a lot of ESCs for customers if you sold a board with 13s.
@@rusinsr Those cells are in the Boosted standard range battery. The extended range is 54.4 volts (on the battery label) = 4.2V per cell if 13S. If you wanted that voltage with LiFePo4 you'd need 15S
Been sort of contemplating building my own board, I've got a Bamboo GT with a 10s4p but the motors heat up a lot, and one of my motors is a biiit broken at times. Very interesting to hear about the difference in speed and heat between roughly the same motors but different battery set-up? Is that right or is it more to do with the motors as well.
I have a gtr. There is something wrong with that gtr in video. I did 25 miles other day, right after ride I grabbed board by motors, little warm is all. End of my trip is uphill. This video does not represent my personal experience with the gtr at all.
I would be interested in the motors, i have a nice bamboo board and have used the evolve trucks and wheels , dual flipsky vesc with VX2 remote. I have not tested my motors for heat but since you are pleased with yours could you hook me up with a pair.
Fabi, can you also start selling more protective gear on esk8europe.com and maybe some full face helmets and padding for knees? If not, that is fine to but i really just want to buy everything of your site. Also, do you recommend buying an esk8 if esk8-ing is still illegal in your country? I live in The Netherlands. And keep up the great work!!
@@fabiandörig I also wonder if I should by an esk8 because it is still illegal (for now at least) to ride an esk8. I am 16 years old and really want en esk8 and I live in The Netherlands. Just would like to hear what you think of it.
I’m also in The Netherlands, I’m debating whether or not to move to Berlin this year but if I don’t I’ll buy one of these boards as it’s better than evolve in every way for a much cheaper price. Evolve just seem to be 100% all about the money even though some of their problems are extremely dangerous like just randomly cutting out and throwing you off the board.
What up Fabi! Can i order this black carve direct drive right now? no shipping issues? looking to buy right now. currrently wating on a refund from paypal from a china brand board....want your board instead.
honestly should have ordered your board instead...smh now i have to wait for this refund should only be a few days as it was through paypal. but im super excited to place an order ASAP! ive wanted that board for awhile from you, just happened to come in to some more $$$ so im gunna need that board LMAO
Yes, sorry sometimes i miss replies.. Belt board is in production and will ship by the end of May just Europe takes longer. DD motors arrive in Europe next week 😁
Fabi can you give Onsra to someone for review? Maybe "Portable Electric Vehicle" or "JohnPaulYT"? I trust them because they really test boards and show things as they are.
I don't think you should make a carbon fiber board because most people won't be able to afford it.... Personally I hope the Onsra prices drop. Great video tho 👌👍
30% Shirt You have to hit me up or buy it on esk8europe.com when you check out you will get to the deal. If you have a board and you're interested hit me up here: esk8europe@outlook.com
Evolve as a company is a pos. I bought a carbon get and GTX. I had to swap everything out I added a vesc system and a Sony battery pack then added new motors 5065 and my board is a beast hitting 34 mph .
Battery issues Opinion on Evolve's GTR choice of Samsung 35E. 1. GTR output claims: a. 20A consistent. b. 52A for 10 seconds burst. 2. Four parallel (4P) array of 35E at 25C/77F: a. 32A continuous discharge b. 60A maximum burst discharge 3. In a perfect environment, this fall within manufacture specifications. Esk8 is a harsh environment for electronics. 4. Note: a. Continuously pushing cells near recommended limits results in 60% capacity at 500 cycles. b. External temperatures in summer will rest higher then 25C, enclosed environment will not allow heat to dissipate as temperatures rise, increasing degradation. 5. Alternatives: a. High confidence that Evolve tested in relation to the Samsung 30Q. b. 35E sags an average of 0.1v more than the 30Q at 8A over a cycle period. In a 10 series (10S) configuration, that's 1v of ~36V. c. 35E contains ~14% more capacity than the 30Q. d. At 8A continuous; the 35E loses 8% cycle capacity, 30Q loses 1.7% ... resulting in a 8.4% difference in capacity. e. This is until 2.65V, however Evolve software cuts off power at 3V. In lab tests will be needed to compare capacity at a 3V cutoff, however I'm confident that this will bring margains even closer between the 35E and 30Q. *5b. Adds further concern. f. Over continuous cycle use, 35E will experience higher levels of degradation than the 30Q. 6. Conclusion: Evolve continues to design on manufacture datasheet limits. The choice of 35E was not wise due to the largest concern of degradation for; aggressive riders, AT off-road, hill areas, drag races. Minor concern for minor decrease in acceleration and top speed. 7. I will obtain a 35E for 3V cutoff in lab testing within the coming weeks. Rebuttals highly welcome!
you should have swapped boards to keep the comparison fair. It sounds ridiculous raving on about your own board, always better to have a 3rd party / 2nd opinion rave about it.
Well i was riding it a couple times already and know Evolve well. Just thought it’s not good to ride another brands board and compare it at the same time. After all it’s not an in depth comparison
It seems like you built a board only to be slightly better than evolve. Knockoff. Specs are almost exactly the same as evolve ?? Original thought is where evolution occurs
Thanks to Lee Wright: ruclips.net/channel/UCmT_LZ31fROEeFC3TcBzV7Q I (Check out his channel!!) I figured out Evolve's problems: At 10s you need more Amps to get the power than with the 12s battery Voltage Lag: Samsung 35E cell that can't produce a lot of Amps - If you know more you're welcome to reply 😁
to add up, Samsung 35Es are 8 Amps max of continuous discharge so at a configuration of 10s3p, they will probably allow around 20 Amps which in my opinion is a very low Amperage for an Esk8. As for the overheating problem, probably the motors are too small for the load. They push more current when they are struggling to keep up so that might explain the issue.
Hi Fabian, message you on Facebook, esk8.com. Please get in touch, I left a couple of questions.
Correct, this is a good example of a 12s3p to 10s4p power comparison although other factors like motor KV, gearing and the actual firmware are big influences on the final performance. The 35E can handle enough amps to run the GTR well while providing maximum range and longevity. On a side note, the fluctuations in the GTR's battery % are a communication error between ESC and remote and not an indication of the actual battery performance. We suggest the owner reaches out to his local Evolve service centre as we will be able to provide a fix for the % issue.
I am on my 3 board. Carbon 1 board. Carbon gtr. And the Gtx. I live in Michigan and this sport is gaining ground fast. I would love to promote your board in Michigan. I get stopped seem more than I ride because people are amazed by its looks ..speed. And range. I feel I am a good tester And love the life it would be a honor to test and promote your new boards... not saying give me a borad for free to keep just to test and give feed back. 4kbirdseye@gmail.com
Watching this video in retrospect, while I order my Black Carve 3, I respect the strides you have made with the product over the last couple years!
Is the onsra waterproof? If not, that would be a Cool feature
There are different grades to waterproof-ness, and I think it is rated relatively highly, IP65
@@WatchDoggyDog it's definitely not IP65. Probably 55.
You should use an infrared thermometer to show the difference.
Yep i need something next time ^^
Lol I literally just thought that! You beat me by six hrs hehe
John Camacho I'm gunna do that when I get mine in July, because I also have a evolve GT and I'm really curious to see the temperature difference
Just ordered the Black carve direct drive, can't wait to compare it to my Carbon GTR.
How's it been? This overheating thing is weird
any update on this Brian?
i Ordered the lacroix lonestar yesterday cant wait.
Sorry rich guy🙌
I'm definitely going to buy the direct drive version of your board with the cloud wheels. I'm sold!! You won my esk8 heart.
Direct Drive Versiona has the same amount of power just no gesr ratio when you change to AT Wheels
THE LINE DANCE PRINCE all they need to add is a all-terrain system 😍😍😍
Hope you don't hate me for this video 😅 It was a lot of fun and I will do it again VS a newer Version. (Hit me up if you have an AT Version in Zurich..)
Hey fabi you have to do the same test with the premium ONSRA AT vs one of evolve bamboo AT Gtr, so we can really see the main difference in price and quality
This board is going to be the big thing Fabi. Keep it up!
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I just was about to order ONSRA, but... belt driven is not available until end of July, so thats basically all summer is gone. Then looked for DD and I was a bit surprised that total price comes to 1.478 EUR... I dont understand how you can justify the price. For additional 170 EUR EVOLVE GTR can be purchased. Yes, ONSRA on paper has better specs, but EVOLVE is premium brand with 2 years warranty compared for 180 days (with by the way again EU law for this board and no proven track of reliability...
Totally agree
Europe will take the longest because of the shipping but For any other countries we will be ready to ship in May already 😎 Still totally understsnd you. I also wanna provide the best warranty there is and for $1478 you get the full package. I’m not complicated about the warranty when you’re small you don’t wanna take too kany risks. It’s also saying it on my websites: Depends on what’s destroyed at the end even after the 6 months i still provide warranty!
Still I’m totally aware of this and even there i need to improve!
Let me justify that really quickly, Evolve still has issues that would concern everyone if they knew about them, critical failures, in the remote and spontaneous braking engagement, full braking BTW, check the Reddit posts. More than one evolve rider has been spat out of the board because of this behavior... they will probably fix the board yes after you crash at full speed because the board disconnected or engaged the breaks.
Diogo eSkate yes, and we are all aware about this problem just because there are thousands evolve boards sold, while onsra just few and event according to Fabi, no other reviews. It migh have same issues as evolve and many more
Hello Fabi , what is the difference between ONSRA BLACK Carve Direct Drive and Black Carve dual belt , should i wait for the new one ? Thank you :)
Less maintenance and noise on the DD for a small torque/speed sacrifice. DD is objectively better and the future :)
@@WatchDoggyDog I want DD for less noise but everyone seems to get speed wobbles with DD. Wonder if out of sync motors can present problems. So guess stick with belt.
@@contorta960 imma get the phantom brother and stick with DD!!
One of this guy’s videos popped up In my recommended from 2 years ago I was really surprised when I saw that this channel is now just electronic skateboards
This Evolve Board has a problem with the battery and the rims are too tight.
An Evolve GTR normally never has a volt breakdown.
Top speed is not a quality comparison, Evolve made a speed limit not for fun. That is for the safety of customers.
Almost all of our customers like me usually drive around 35 km / h.
The driving performance and feeling is what matters.
If you actually tune it you can get 60-70kmph with it but it does heat up a bit more this is def faulty
YESSS!!, I've been waiting for this Vid! I think sourcing locations and delivery of part manufacturers are a big factor but it's great to see the tech being pushed regardless. from custom boards, to VESC designs, I think it will scale with whats learn toward all EV tech, I hope!👌👌👌✨✨😌
This is the way to go!!!
Thank you so much for making this video. I really have been needing to see this!
😁 i thought people gonna hate it 😅 uploaded it anyway
@@fabiandörig I was really wondering how your board stacked up against Evolve but I was afraid to ask. I am definitely choosing yours over Evolve at this point. And you mentioned that your pice will be rising, and I don't mean to be rude, but is it going to rise significantly?
Yes Yes Yes! Make carbon fiber version as well please. Having options is always good and I will personally be buying 2 - 3 different 12s boards from you this year. maybe 2 belt and 1 inline-motors. Love your quality and passion. But please don't make them more expensive, as it is 1090 euro is already $2000 after conversion here in Nz!
I maybe will do it a little later i think it needs some improvements and also i sinply can’t invest that much 😅
haha, fair enough mate, I love your ply wooden versions anyway, besides you are right about the better ride in the end. Keep up the good work and I'll be placing my order soon, don't go shark on your prices and you'll sell many indeed ;)
one possible reason for temperature difference is that both board motors were actually built with the same voltage in mind. generally, motors will run at a higher voltage.
You know something...watching fabi, I envy him in a good way. It's nice to see someone do something they're passionate about for a living. Takes balls.
Not that easy especially when you see huuuuge companies go.. I’m like damn what am i even doing now ^^
@@fabiandörig I getcha. Keep at it. Eventually this turbulence will pass. At very worst you've done more than most people would have. :)
Fabi:Look at that view, it's so great
Also Fabi, cutting away after we saw 0.1 seconds of the view Xd
Love the vids, carry on the good work bud
Das kriegt ESK8 Video Legenden Status 😂. Ich kann nicht mehr wie du dich kaputt lachst
Great video, the new prototype-board looks promising. the specification and the power seems convincing! 🤩
The only reason I can think for the evolve motors to get much hotter is that the board must have a 10S battery. The lower voltage requires higher current/amperage to match the 12S battery in power, and more current means more heat. Higher voltage means better efficiency
Yes exactly!
Got mine in June, what an awesome board!
Hello Fabi that black carve belt drive can be shipped in Taiwan?
Fabi please If I cant decide which board I should buy. If the ONSRA BLACK Carve Direct Drive or ONSRA BLACK Carve DUAL BELT . From the specs I understand the difference and I did right belt and direct drive board. I would like to know which motors are better in terms of survivability in long teram use (i am like 95kg :) )
Hey Fabi, good stuff dude! I’ve been watching your videos for over 6 months and they never disappoint.
I’m about to get my third board, it’s going to be a Kaly NyC XL50 or a Lacroix...
When are you going to try the Kaly board?
I think you could firstly release a casual version of the BLACK CARVE and after some months the Carbon version. Great vid!
More of these kind of vids!
I thought so too ^^ Carbon comes later for now if at all..
I have the evolve carbon GTR and so I've had no issues. The board looks and feels amazing
How about the overheating motors?
@@fabiandörig I haven't had a problem with the motors yet. How many miles before you noticed they were overheating?
I wanted to order one of your boards but you didn't respond back. I'm looking for a board for my wife too so let me know how I can order. Thanks Fabi
Your board is great seeming. I have a gtr though. There is something wrong with his board or its not actually in Gtr mode.
I do long rides with much better hill climbing than that and my motors get warm but definitely can touch them...
Bryan Crane good to know, i got worried after seeing this video. I thought the Evolve board wasn’t what i’ve been seeing around. (I just bought the Carbon GTR like 10 mins ago) This comment is reassuring, thank you!
Sorry to burst your bubble but Evolve doesn’t like their customers going full throttle. Full throttle causes over heating and battery sag. Evolve suggests you take it easy, really? Their boards are not fast or powerful and they want you to take it easy?
I have a carbon gtr. Doesnt have any issues going full speed for the whole ride. And I'm about 100kgs.
Chris Shin thanks! i got my board about 4 days ago and have been absolutely loving it, i’ve rode an insane amount of miles, and it’s been great the whole way!
@@alwayssomething6778 Its okay. You can't burst our bubble. At this point all 3 of us have experiential knowledge that these boards are in fact great!
Maybe a 4 wheel carbon board... And bigger motors... I'm loving the new prototype... Think your on the right path...
Onsra or evolve ? Weches ist das beste ?
I’m gonna buy your E- board for sure!!! The final product will be supreme.
Well I pre-ordered mine. I live in California, Bay Area region. Can you talk about the truck and the bushings. The roads aren’t the best condition here. I tend to ride at higher speed and stiffer bushings. Being able to make turns, if there’s a big crack or pothole up ahead. Can’t wait to try it out!
Thanks so much for you support 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 I’m glad you trust me. More videos of course come online and the final version gets shipped to me tomorrow already 😁🙌🏼 Also btw didn’t expect me to start off priduction this fast. I’m gonna be able to ship to the US in May already. Also gonna send it to 5 RUclipsrs this month too 🙌🏼🙌🏼 Thanks again 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Evolve should do a major refresh on their boards fixing the issue. New motors, new batteries.
I think so too!
Fabi! I only would like to say that that I will used to give a thumb up before watching. You deserve it.
What program You use to make a movies? is it made on Mac ? Thanks for all deose testing !!
What's the weight difference between you two? He looks taller with more wind resistance too,
Hey Fabi, you mentioned that you will improve many things on your Board.... What do we get if we NOW pre order your belt drive board?
Check out the product page it explains all the changes and you can see 1:1 pictures: rideonsra.com/products/preorder-july-onsra-black-carve-dual-belt
Which one helps you out more, ordering from esk8us or rideonsra?
or if they are both the same where should I order if I'm in Australia?
It doesn’t really matter at the end. All these websire belong to me after all. I recommend to get it on esk8us.com as you will get an even better price
What about the warranty/build quality VS the evolve? That's worth something. What's the warranty and parts quality of the black carve?
Warranty 1 Year 😁
Awesome video Fabi
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Hello Fabi! I have an evolve bamboo gt but have been looking to buy a new board ! , I now know what I'm getting ! Thank you ! Going to buy myself 2 or 3 :D
Haha 1 will be enough 🙌🏼
Do you Think the direkt drive version is faster too? Love your Videos. I have already ordered a board could I have a key for the Cevlar shirt so i can buy it. Thx
Yes it's definitely faster as well! Similar to this one just without sound ^^
@@fabiandörig Sounds great can't wait do ride it XD
@@fabiandörig really the direct drive is faster than the belt drive? Which one does better going up hills?
@@Psyniigianni the dd is faster than the gtr ;) the belt drive onsra is slightly faster uphills than the dd.
can you please compare your ONSRA BLACK Carve with the ONSRA BLACK Carve Belt?
For me i cant decide which should i use. i like the Hubs, silence and less visible, but im afraid how close it fits to the Ground.
if i decide for the Hub motors, i would use it with the 115 rubber or 120 cloud wheels.
Ist it possible to upgrade to 150mm AT wheels later? and will the Motor still works with the Hub motors >> ithink torque will go down, but offroad i need torque more than speed.
Yes that’s coming as well! They have the same power and speed
try it in small rounds. this time each time u over take him, u say, on ur left(steve rogers)
I have an evolve and already want your board haha. Only thing is I need the at setup
Although I have never had this over heating issue on my gtr carbon
Wouldnt it be hilariously ironic if Evolve took issue with this video for unfavourable comparisons.
They need to suck it up and make a better product next time.
His Evolve board was years old and fabis prototype was brand new, its only normal for the engines to start failing.
They need to suck up? they never took this issue as an unfavorable comparison the fuck? Stop hallucinating child, Evolve has 1500watt motors while Onsra uses 1300watt
Can’t wait to get my black carve dd board! I’ve been hearing people having issues with cloudwheels though. Should I be worried?
No i get support from zCloudwheels and already ordered new ones to fix issues
Fabi Thank goodness! You’re awesome! Keep it up you’ve got something great brewing man!
Fabi How long does shipping usually take if you don’t mind me asking? North Carolina
Well I bought a evolve wish I could get this as well now lol. Anyways great vid!! Fabi it's weird his GTR seems to be the only one I know that's having this problem has he contacted evolve? I ride uphill without any problems.
I agree, looks like a defective unit, he should contact Evolve.
@@KostasC hasn't happened to anyone else as of I know I know he put some file on the motors but that shouldn't make it overheat. I changed the battery in my evolve n still no overheating
I have a GTR too. Its climbs hills with ease and doesn't heat up to the level he was suggesting.
So he either isn't reviewing accurately ( I like Fabi, hopefully that's not it) or that gtr has motor issues.
Considering that failed exway vs evolve review I hope this isn't another version in reverse...
Evolve is a Pos company! I bought a carbon gt and swapped everything out with. Vesc system and larger motors and added a Sony battery pack and my god my board is a monster hitting 34 mph with 175mm wheel’s
Hi there, I like your boards and watched a few of your videos, but I already have a ride1up board (10s3p - 47kmh) which I am happy with, especially cause cops can’t see and hear it on first view 😅 I would buy one of yours if I wouldn’t have one already. But I have had an accident where the board was going under a car and broke. Since you are testing a lot of boards, do you maybe can help me out with a cheap longboard only (can also be used already)? I am also from Switzerland in terms of shipping.
What is the weight difference between the 2 riders? Would have been interesting to switch riders and see how the board performs this way too. The Evolve rider looks much taller than Fabian. We could be taking about 10-15kg.
do you know when you will make da carbon one I’m here wit my mind blower away you rock man
If you were to recommend one AT board that is cheaper than evolve that would be great... because it seems like it's not worth the cost of evolve as shown in this video.
Hey man, love your videos, is it waterproof? 😀
you're so comfortable going really fast, damn.
Yeah you get used to it 😁
@@fabiandörig right on ✌
Is the newest black carve a carbon fiber deck ??
I'm on the fence with replacing my bamboo gt and after seeing this i think I'm going to wait for your board. I'm not impressed that Evolve hasn't addressed the battery sag issue, given they charge that's proposterous! Well your board ship to Canada?
Just looked at your site and i see your only shipping to European countries. Any plans to expand that to North America?
1nfam0us Basturd esk8us.com
This is his North America site
Yes i ship to the US and Canada. Always improving everything i have. The only fear for my customers is to have an old board within 6 months 😅 Imo it’s important to always improve and try to get the best out of a product. I wouldn’t feel comfortable to say this is the best if it’s not.
Thanks @majorpuffen74 and Fabi! I'm so pumped for this board! I've been dreading the fact of buying another Evolve only two experience severe battery sag within weeks of my purchase. I purchased my Evolve based on your recommendations back then, which was 3 years ago. That was the best choice bar none back then, but what you're doing now is incredible! Looking forward to getting my hands on one ASAP!
Ride safe!
I'd like a flexy deck and freebord s2 binding options
If you REALLY wanted to make your boards shine, find a battery manufacturer that makes a 13S battery and step the voltage down to 12S for the ESC. This would eliminate almost all voltage sag because the battery can supply a higher voltage than what the system runs on. Boosted uses a 13s2p battery. I’m pretty sure they do what I’m explaining because their boards at 1% battery still have full top speed and acceleration and it is a fantastic feeling
Ooh gpod point. Very good point!!! 🙏🏼 Fckn love RUclips! Now i know what i need to do!
Boosted use LifePo4 cells, which have less voltage; that's why they can do 13s. With regular Li-Ion batteries 13s is too close to the 60V max the ESCs can handle. You risk having to replace a lot of ESCs for customers if you sold a board with 13s.
@@rusinsr Those cells are in the Boosted standard range battery. The extended range is 54.4 volts (on the battery label) = 4.2V per cell if 13S. If you wanted that voltage with LiFePo4 you'd need 15S
@@Cardfold11 Wasn't aware, thanks for informing me!
Wird es für dein Board auch ein Off-road Kit geben?
Been sort of contemplating building my own board, I've got a Bamboo GT with a 10s4p but the motors heat up a lot, and one of my motors is a biiit broken at times.
Very interesting to hear about the difference in speed and heat between roughly the same motors but different battery set-up? Is that right or is it more to do with the motors as well.
I have a gtr. There is something wrong with that gtr in video.
I did 25 miles other day, right after ride I grabbed board by motors, little warm is all.
End of my trip is uphill.
This video does not represent my personal experience with the gtr at all.
You guys are killing me keep touching the motors 😝😝😜😂
You should add a A T system not too large like the 175mm if you do that I’ll order one of your boards.
We offer an AT system option as well: rideonsra.com/products/preorder-july-onsra-black-carve-dual-belt
So which wheels are better for your board if there are a lot of rocks and bumps on the road?
115mm wheels 😁 all boards will ship with them soon
@@fabiandörig hey I ordered the board dual belt. Can the rubber wheels handle the gravel and grass? I like to ride off road.
Yo forged or gravity casted trucks and base plates? Because that real Important
Yes they are! Same as Evolve Trucks!
Wanting to buy a board but seems that customer service doesn’t reply??
I would be interested in the motors, i have a nice bamboo board and have used the evolve trucks and wheels , dual flipsky vesc with VX2 remote. I have not tested my motors for heat but since you are pleased with yours could you hook me up with a pair.
Fabi, can you also start selling more protective gear on esk8europe.com and maybe some full face helmets and padding for knees? If not, that is fine to but i really just want to buy everything of your site. Also, do you recommend buying an esk8 if esk8-ing is still illegal in your country?
I live in The Netherlands.
And keep up the great work!!
Yes I’m looking for some stuff but helmets they sell everywhere and i don’t see a point of me selling it unless i find something special ^^
Totally appreciate ypu comment btw!!! I have to think about it and want my customers to be safe mostly
@@fabiandörig I also wonder if I should by an esk8 because it is still illegal (for now at least) to ride an esk8. I am 16 years old and really want en esk8 and I live in The Netherlands.
Just would like to hear what you think of it.
I’m also in The Netherlands, I’m debating whether or not to move to Berlin this year but if I don’t I’ll buy one of these boards as it’s better than evolve in every way for a much cheaper price. Evolve just seem to be 100% all about the money even though some of their problems are extremely dangerous like just randomly cutting out and throwing you off the board.
please make them more waterproof and more durable and option with 170mm and bigger battery
Black curve.. Cool😍🖤
Fabi I got the board a few days ago, how do I convert it to MPH?
For clarity you should switch board with your opponent and check performance.
I didn’t wanna do it on purpose. Don’t wanna stand on my rivals board.. I thought it’s not a good idea.. 🤔
Helical gear drive? Would be interesting if you managed to beat 3d-servisas when it comes to value per money.
Maybe in 6months we will have a new preorder online ^^
Du musst ein Video machen in dem du deine ganze Elektroboard Kollektion vorstellst mit allen die du bis jetzt hattest und preis dazu und sowas
Gute Idee!!
Is it more powerful than the Verreal rs I don't think so
It is both r in terms of torque
Need a video on the ONSRA AT belt drive wood deck, that’s the board I’m looking for👍👍😉😁
Yep that’s coming as well 😁
Fabi Awesome 👏
What up Fabi! Can i order this black carve direct drive right now? no shipping issues? looking to buy right now. currrently wating on a refund from paypal from a china brand board....want your board instead.
the one on the site for $1,059
honestly should have ordered your board instead...smh now i have to wait for this refund should only be a few days as it was through paypal. but im super excited to place an order ASAP! ive wanted that board for awhile from you, just happened to come in to some more $$$ so im gunna need that board LMAO
Yes, sorry sometimes i miss replies.. Belt board is in production and will ship by the end of May just Europe takes longer. DD motors arrive in Europe next week 😁
ESK8europe@outlook.com i reply faster
Und du musst ein Vergleichs Video machen für die verschiedenen Black Carve versionen
Yep kommt in jedem Fall!
Fabi can you give Onsra to someone for review? Maybe "Portable Electric Vehicle" or "JohnPaulYT"? I trust them because they really test boards and show things as they are.
Yep couple youtubers get one in May. Daniel Kwan already has a board and videos is probably coming mid-May
Some more youtubers will get the dual Belt board. Will finish production soon 😎
can u try to send this to evolve fan boys? i wanna see what happens
if u cant touch it for 3 seconds, its most likely more than 65 deg. celsius
I don't think you should make a carbon fiber board because most people won't be able to afford it.... Personally I hope the Onsra prices drop. Great video tho 👌👍
Hi can this board go back and forward or is it just a brake function
Back and forward both yes 😁
@@fabiandörig very cool bro very cool and it's more powerful than the GTR ?
What's the price in u.s. dollars
And louder. Bro it got to be Extremely Loud😂
we need carbon fiber
What about the weight of those riders, are they equal?
Yes we are equal 😁
We also now have a youtube channel btw 😎
Do you have pulleys for At wheels?
Keep a bamboo version. Don't understand the utility of Carbon decks. Thanks
Can’t afford another board anyway. No need to make something i don’t like anyway ^^
Standard Evolve Great to see a Reality Video Not a Evolve Fan boy Video :) #Real
DD VS Evolve is coming too!
30% Shirt You have to hit me up or buy it on esk8europe.com when you check out you will get to the deal. If you have a board and you're interested hit me up here: esk8europe@outlook.com
I think that evolve must use the off road wheel then he can accelerate more faster instead using on road wheel, because its tiny..
Just use the 32 with the 85 cag wheels it's more torque
No carbon fiber bamboo
make Carbon board with drop deck
Evolve boards gives me still the best carving feeling, just saying....!
Same trucks, same deck all the same 🤣
Never ever...
Evolve as a company is a pos. I bought a carbon get and GTX. I had to swap everything out I added a vesc system and a Sony battery pack then added new motors 5065 and my board is a beast hitting 34 mph .
Daaaaaamn sounds like the perfect setup 😍😍😍
What battery did you use?
Samsung 35e
Lots of time and money but I love boarding
Battery issues
Opinion on Evolve's GTR choice of Samsung 35E.
1. GTR output claims:
a. 20A consistent.
b. 52A for 10 seconds burst.
2. Four parallel (4P) array of 35E at 25C/77F:
a. 32A continuous discharge
b. 60A maximum burst discharge
3. In a perfect environment, this fall within manufacture specifications. Esk8 is a harsh environment for electronics.
4. Note:
a. Continuously pushing cells near recommended limits results in 60% capacity at 500 cycles.
b. External temperatures in summer will rest higher then 25C, enclosed environment will not allow heat to dissipate as temperatures rise, increasing degradation.
5. Alternatives:
a. High confidence that Evolve tested in relation to the Samsung 30Q.
b. 35E sags an average of 0.1v more than the 30Q at 8A over a cycle period. In a 10 series (10S) configuration, that's 1v of ~36V.
c. 35E contains ~14% more capacity than the 30Q.
d. At 8A continuous; the 35E loses 8% cycle capacity, 30Q loses 1.7% ... resulting in a 8.4% difference in capacity.
e. This is until 2.65V, however Evolve software cuts off power at 3V. In lab tests will be needed to compare capacity at a 3V cutoff, however I'm confident that this will bring margains even closer between the 35E and 30Q. *5b. Adds further concern.
f. Over continuous cycle use, 35E will experience higher levels of degradation than the 30Q.
6. Conclusion:
Evolve continues to design on manufacture datasheet limits. The choice of 35E was not wise due to the largest concern of degradation for; aggressive riders, AT off-road, hill areas, drag races. Minor concern for minor decrease in acceleration and top speed.
7. I will obtain a 35E for 3V cutoff in lab testing within the coming weeks.
Rebuttals highly welcome!
Very interesting 👌
32t vs 40t pulleys
Km/h max ??
Depends on the wheels! With the 115mm we think 58kmh but put it on 56kmh for now until i know it 100%
@@fabiandörig Do you think that the price will drop with the coronavirus and therefore that I have to wait or I buy now ..?
And what is the difference between black carve and black carve dual belt ? Why black carve is more expensive ?
you should have swapped boards to keep the comparison fair. It sounds ridiculous raving on about your own board, always better to have a 3rd party / 2nd opinion rave about it.
Well i was riding it a couple times already and know Evolve well. Just thought it’s not good to ride another brands board and compare it at the same time. After all it’s not an in depth comparison
@@fabiandörig I was more interested in what your friend had to say about the black carve! not about the evolve.
The thing is , the evolve board just looks much better but performs weaker
For now it looks better. Just wist for it 😎
It seems like you built a board only to be slightly better than evolve. Knockoff. Specs are almost exactly the same as evolve ?? Original thought is where evolution occurs