How Kyubey Is The Perfect Antagonist

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  • Kyubey from Madoka Magica is the perfect antagonist! And he did nothing wrong! kinda.... In this video, I go in-depth into the reason why Kyubey is perfect and how he is the exact opposite of the magical girls.
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  • @a_naotenhonome780
    @a_naotenhonome780 18 дней назад +381

    Antagonist who don't even acknowledge their own actions as morally wrong are always as you mentioned terrifying, because on their head everything no matter how cruel is justified.
    And is also interesting how on the show, technically speaking Kyubey goals are noble, they are solely working to prevent the universe from one day collapsing, the fate of my species relies on their hands
    The whole contract also feels both unfair and fair at same time, because while Kyubey only show the "good" side of being a magical girl, they are also willing to be honest if the girls actually ask questions

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +79

      For sure! And since he compares humans to cattle, he sees it as more than fair. It's not like we ask animals if they want to live on a farm.

    • @a_naotenhonome780
      @a_naotenhonome780 17 дней назад +40

      @@KBWanime yeah its also noteworthy to mention that kyubey also gives humans better life conditions than a lot of people do to animals

    • @davidarvingumazon5024
      @davidarvingumazon5024 17 дней назад +7

      ​@@KBWanime Kyubey is Johan Liebert victim in outsmarting.

    • @tanandalynch9441
      @tanandalynch9441 7 дней назад +6

      "Why didn't you tell us?!"
      "You never asked."

    • @fegreninja7197
      @fegreninja7197 7 дней назад +7

      @@tanandalynch9441Except they literally asked how Witches work and Kyubey gave a vague, half truth answer to appease them. I think that’s lying by omission, but I guess you’d resort to that if telling the complete truth upfront would scare away potential magical girls

  • @timberwolfbrother
    @timberwolfbrother 17 дней назад +174

    I always got the feeling that Kybuey was just doing its job. Whether it succeeded, failed, or if the job changed didn't matter, but its job kept the universe going. So Kyubey was only as evil as it needed to be in order to ensure the continued existence of everything.
    If anything, it was probably lucky it didn't feel anything for the magical girls dying.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +13

      Absolutely! It's just a job that needs to be done

    • @ChildOfCosmos
      @ChildOfCosmos 7 дней назад +5

      The wiki describes Kyubey's species as "utilitarian", which is an absolutely perfect way to describe its mentality.

  • @RaidenKaiser
    @RaidenKaiser 17 дней назад +109

    I dont think people hate twist villains they just hate the ones that have zero foreshadow or build up and just feel like they did it for shock value and no other reason.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +34

      Or the opposite where it's super obvious. It can work if it's done well but it's really hard to do well.

  • @toukoenriaze9870
    @toukoenriaze9870 18 дней назад +195

    kyuube is a force of nature more or less lel

    • @davidarvingumazon5024
      @davidarvingumazon5024 17 дней назад +2

      Yuuichi Katagiri is enough to outsmart Kyubey if Yuuichi reincarnated as middle schooler student in PMMM, he would secretly advice Madoka and Sayaka.

    • @aweirdlookingcat3707
      @aweirdlookingcat3707 10 дней назад

      @@davidarvingumazon5024who?

    • @Kiba151
      @Kiba151 9 дней назад

      Like an intelligent Girl.

  • @prehistoricblackroast
    @prehistoricblackroast 13 дней назад +123

    While 'eldritch horror' is a good word to describe Kyubey, the concept of 'cosmic indifference' is what he TRULY embodies.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  12 дней назад +11

      For sure!

    • @growingoaks
      @growingoaks 5 дней назад +5

      "what does it matter if a very small portion of the population suffers when it benefits the whole?"
      Kyubey is the first antagonist I've seen that I couldn't even argue with. He has sound logic. Devoid of humanity and empathy as it may be, it's airtight lol

    • @prehistoricblackroast
      @prehistoricblackroast 5 дней назад +1

      @@growingoaks Chose the answer most people would on the trolley problem and had everyone hating on him for it lmao

    • @growingoaks
      @growingoaks 4 дня назад

      @@prehistoricblackroast lmao facts!!!! I never thought of it that way actually, holy shit lol I wonder if they intentionally did that or if it was just a coincidence

  • @schorltourmaline4521
    @schorltourmaline4521 17 дней назад +70

    This is assuming that Kyubey is telling the truth, in which it can be proven that he can through him telling Madoka that "he doesn't know if Sayaka can be turned back into a human from being a witch", while telling Homura it's impossible later. Also, the movie kinda expands on how much of a monster Kyubey can be, as they try to alter the rules of the universe in order to exploit Madoka for whatever scheme they have, not asking for Madoka's "consent" in the matter, as they express they always do. They also show an expressed fear of Homura once she goes "Devil Mode", and try to escape when trying to collect energy becomes too hard for them. They also don't seem to like it when they are put into the shoes of the magical girls, and have to bare the brunt of every curse on earth.
    So yeah, it really feels like Kyubey's motives are more self serving than they let on, and they do understand the concepts of suffering, fear, and "tricking" other, despite what they claim. Being emotionless and completely logical is just a presentation to act as a counterargument against creatures they see as beneath them.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  16 дней назад +18

      They absolutely view humans as beneath them. I haven't seen the movie because I love the ending so much, so I can't really comment on that.

    • @schorltourmaline4521
      @schorltourmaline4521 16 дней назад +7

      @@KBWanime The movie is actually pretty awesome. Give it a watch, and if you don't like it, just assume it's non-canon.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  16 дней назад +3

      I've thought about watching it. I just love the original series so much I have no desire to continue it.

    • @deividrodrigues8819
      @deividrodrigues8819 15 дней назад +11

      They do undestand those emotions on a smart and logical way but are incapable of feeling them
      I think homura ended up using her Power to make them feel emotions After she bêcome a demon

    • @phantom-ri2tg
      @phantom-ri2tg 13 дней назад +1

      @@deividrodrigues8819 A creature that truly had no emotions would have no motivation to act.

  • @ThatCho
    @ThatCho 17 дней назад +67

    A 100% reliance on logic above anything else, in relation to self-preservation, is quite literally inhumane. Kyubey at its core is quite simply... an animal... that happens to be blessed with immense power to position itself at the top of the animal kingdom.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +16

      That's what's so terrifying about him. I am so glad they didn't try to humanize him. It's make it so much more terrifying

  • @carterstanton3540
    @carterstanton3540 11 дней назад +12

    Kyube’s actions remind me a lot of the first level of Squid game where the people are told they are playing a game for a lot of money but never mentioned that they will die if they lose.
    Kyube did not care about any of the girls he turned ‘magical’ he just wanted to take advantage of them for his own personal benefit without warning them ahead of time about the full extent of what the deal entailed.

    • @OokamiKuro39Ch
      @OokamiKuro39Ch 9 дней назад

      If someone tells me to join a game wherein I could win so much money with just a few challenges, first things I would ask is what what if I lose or what do they get out of it. Nothing is totally free.

    • @durk5331
      @durk5331 7 дней назад +2

      @@OokamiKuro39Ch That's why he asks Middle School kids and not you >.>

    • @durk5331
      @durk5331 7 дней назад

      It's not Personal Benefit, Kyuube is just fulfilling their job of keeping the Universe Going, if the Universe doesn't keep going people die anyways, so is it the Many or the Few who you want to save here?

  • @OnDavidsBrain
    @OnDavidsBrain 13 дней назад +7

    "The kind of evil that doesn't realize that it's evil... is the worst kind there is..." Weather Report.

  • @ViewerOnline101
    @ViewerOnline101 5 дней назад +5

    Kyubey does a number of things beyond "what is necessary". He literally says the energy from the girls is ONE of the best resources. That literally means there are other ways to fuel the universe besides what he's doing, he just chooses not to. This is different from predators feeding on prey, who DO need them to survive, and in the case of humans, they kill animals humanly, while the girls suffer greatly. Kyubey also makes the excuse of how the consequences of the girls becoming magical girls means they eventually become witches by saying "Why didn't you ask?" Like who will ever make that jump in logic to ask? That's like giving a little kid a bomb and telling them that the timer counting down is a clock, which technically it is, and when the bomb goes off, the dying kid asks why you didn't tell them it was a bomb and you respond with, "Why didn't you ask?" And the final nail in the coffin, Kyubey doesn't just offer, he coerces and takes advantage of and manipulates. How many times did Madoka turn him down, only for him to repeatedly come back when she's in distress or in danger or emotionally vulnerable and try to coerce, even emotionally blackmail her, into accepting a deal from him? So he's not just placing a deal on the table and giving them the choice whether to accept or not, he's intentionally being forceful and deceptive. These things are what push him out of the morally gray area and into true villainy, because he has ways to fuel the universe that wouldn't cause others to suffer, but he willingly chooses not to take them, is deceptive about his actions that allows him to use people, and coerces into forcing these tragic fates on others.

  • @Xeorboom
    @Xeorboom 15 дней назад +9

    how it started: "ha ha, silly magical girl!"
    what it became: "there's an alien cat who wants to end the world and is practically a force of nature..."

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  15 дней назад

      That's the story! XD

    • @durk5331
      @durk5331 7 дней назад +1

      I thought Kyuube's point was to Not end the world? >.>

    • @Xeorboom
      @Xeorboom 7 дней назад

      @@durk5331 I was compressing it a lot

  • @silverstream2693
    @silverstream2693 16 дней назад +4

    Well in the movie rebellion he gets to experience fear as well lol

  • @cathygrandstaff1957
    @cathygrandstaff1957 16 дней назад +13

    My theory is that Kyubey and the other incubators are familiars for an immensely powerful witch operating behind the scenes. Their core function is to gather energy, with a specific preference for energy generated by negative emotions. We see this with the grief seeds where once they absorb a certain amount of negative/curse energy the witch in them revives, but the incubators helpfully dispose of them when they’re almost full, and then in the altered timeline when the incubators are gathering the wraith cubes from the girls. While they’re not immortal they’re replaced easily when destroyed, in the same way a witch can generate new familiars, and they are established to have a hive mind, as if some single intelligence is controlling them. This would fit with Madoka being a deconstruction of Sailor Moon, since that series featured enemies looking to harvest energy from humans in order to supply a much more powerful enemy. Madoka seems to invert this by having Kyubey harvest energy in order to hold off entropy, but that also assumes Kyubey is telling the truth in a series that shows repeatedly he’s willing to massage the truth to make it sound more appealing. Then again he could be right from a certain point of view, perhaps this witch is like Madokami and Akuma Homura, a magical girl who overcame the limits of being a magical girl in order to rewrite the rules of the universe and that by continuing to perform whatever function she does the universe keeps existing. If so I expect consequences to the ending of Rebellion.

  • @LittleMissEmerald
    @LittleMissEmerald 13 дней назад +2

    See’s the video. Sighs deeply and puts hair in a bun before clicking.

  • @UwUOnDatBeat1101
    @UwUOnDatBeat1101 13 дней назад +2

    Remember, being meguka is suffering

  • @Kyouma.
    @Kyouma. 4 дня назад +1

    Also, Kyubey states that he doesn't even understand what deception is, but that's not true. When Kyouko asked Kyubey if there's a way to bring Sayaka back, Kyubey just answered that he wouldn't know, but that it might be possible for magical girls. However, after Kyouko's fall, when Homura asked him if there really was no way for Kyouko to save Sayaka, he said "Of course not." And when Homura asked him why he didn't stop Kyouko, he answered that it's better to get her out of the picture

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  4 дня назад +2

      If he doesn't know what deception is then he wouldn't understand that what he did was deceptive. I also think both of his statements are true. Saying, I don't know of any way that's possible and then saying it's not possible in another situation still seems consistent to me.

  • @daledrinnon7307
    @daledrinnon7307 16 дней назад +6

    Kyubey did nothing wrong going by the Kyubey standards but going by human standards Kyubey's goals were unspeakable and unallowable. And he was misrepresnting his goals and actions when he was explaining himself. The objectively observed universe does not agree with Kyubey's explanation of it. Against this we only have the assurance that he contends he is right..

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  16 дней назад +4

      Assumedly the advanced alien species that can grant wishes and have some kind of space travel knows why they have to do it more than humans can. Of course what Kyubey does is evil but to them it's totally justified.

    • @daledrinnon7307
      @daledrinnon7307 14 дней назад +1

      @@KBWanime Means nothing, we can't trust anything Kyubey says and his results are he is preying on humans. It cannot be justified.

    • @Ninja07Keaton
      @Ninja07Keaton 12 дней назад +1

      @@daledrinnon7307 Then ask yourself, why are humans the highest priority of life? And if your answer amounts to "I don't want to die" or "I'm human, so I don't want other humans to die", then you're objectively no different from Kyubey. As like Kyubey, you're also prioritizing your own kinds' survival over those you have no attachment to. Throughout history our survival instincts have never been stable lands of black and white, but raging oceans of gray. Someone or some group always had to lose in some manner for others to prosper or just to see tomorrow's dawn. Kyubey and their species are the same, just on a cosmic scale. It's them or a small number of humans from what we've been shown. Utilitarianism is flawed, not because it's "wrong", but because no individual could ever truly comprehend the many.

  • @weeaboobaguette3943
    @weeaboobaguette3943 17 дней назад +7

    Everything is fun and game until the cows starting wearing emotion-powered exoskeletons and emotion-powered railguns and start conquering everything, i.e. when human goverments get their hand on Kyuubei tech.
    Or probably more relevantly, until one of the cow become a universal constant accelerating entropy because another cow became a universal constant fighting off entropy in a way the first cow didn't like.

  • @aaad3552
    @aaad3552 14 дней назад +2

    Man i like channels like this

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  14 дней назад

      I'm glad you do!

  • @skippy-the-destroyer
    @skippy-the-destroyer 8 дней назад +1

    i had no knowledge of this when i clicked on this video. i really thought that was some digimon thats had committed MORE warcrimes. now i got a new show to watch thanks.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  8 дней назад +1

      I'm glad you're watching it because of my video! It's so incredible! I wish I could watch it again for the first time!

  • @michaelwellen2866
    @michaelwellen2866 5 дней назад

    I still love the fact that Morgana from Persona 5 has the same voice actor.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  5 дней назад

      That explains the Persona 5 comments I have gotten XD

  • @GANTZ100pts
    @GANTZ100pts 4 дня назад

    Not sure if it's in the Manga, but in the Anime Kyuube mentions that giving boys a wish are very rare, as their emotional states aren't as easily as manipulated as girls are and they rarely become witches as a result.

  • @سلمانقتل
    @سلمانقتل 20 дней назад +3

    Good video 👍

  • @youkofoxy
    @youkofoxy 15 дней назад +2

    Kyubey can be defeated, however another will that it's place.
    There is a finite amount of them, is just that by killing Kyubey, the only thing one can achieve is saving the girls while condemning the universe future.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 8 дней назад

      The universe is meant to be destroyed and replaced with a better one. You should fear those that try to prevent it in the first place.

  • @ashemabahumat4173
    @ashemabahumat4173 14 дней назад +7

    He just gave them what they wanted, and they could've asked if there would be consequences

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  14 дней назад +1

      Exactly! Unfortunately that's how most of life works. You don't always have someone to warn you of consequences.

    • @inavderhexo
      @inavderhexo 15 часов назад

      Even if you asked he'd just gaslight you or leave important details out. An example of this is iroha sister and friends from magica records asked him all the important questions and he still left out what the consequences were. So really this is just victim blaming. Remember his victims are children and teens.

    • @ashemabahumat4173
      @ashemabahumat4173 14 часов назад

      @@inavderhexo dis they ask about the repercussions and the effect it'll directly have on their lifespan? And at the end of the day, they still bought what some magical talking cat sized monster was selling. Kids or not, that's something innately uncanny and highly suspicious. At that point, I'd say that's poor survival instinct/poor judgement

  • @chickenman1236
    @chickenman1236 8 дней назад

    JOKER FROM PERSONA 5?!!! 🤩 🤩 🤩 🤩

  • @Kyouma.
    @Kyouma. 4 дня назад

    Um, ever heard of utilitarianism? That's literally Kyubey's stance in the show, as he himself points out to Madoka. Even so, I love Kyubey as an antagonist, and I share many of his perspectives

  • @noname-lb3sg
    @noname-lb3sg 13 дней назад +1

    Totally agree

  • @LimeCider
    @LimeCider 5 дней назад

    I actually love Twist Villains and i don't understand when Antagonists are hated
    Sometimes the reason is (he betrayed/killed/something else this character!!!)

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  5 дней назад

      Generally I don't like twist villains because instead of making an interesting character, they rely on the shock of the twist to make the character work. They aren't all like this, but I'd say most are.

  • @EllisJulius-b8d
    @EllisJulius-b8d 3 дня назад

    Bruce Island

  • @sierralongman2072
    @sierralongman2072 3 дня назад

    Labadie Forest

  • @joseleonardofarfanperez2838
    @joseleonardofarfanperez2838 17 дней назад +1

    If Kyuby is rigth, then why he didn't just make someone wish for the complete energy quote?

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  16 дней назад +4

      The wishes have limits. He can only grant certain wishes. Madoka was a little more of an exception because she had so much magical energy. The other girls couldn't do anything like that.

    • @LjCast-b6q
      @LjCast-b6q 16 дней назад +3

      Because of the restrictions on wishes, although yes, he can alter reality to make a wish happen the level of which you can alter is entirely dependent on the girl and how much potential for good they have, pretty much magical girl had the potential to simply wish away entropy

    • @joseleonardofarfanperez2838
      @joseleonardofarfanperez2838 16 дней назад +1

      Damn. I accept defeat.

  • @IamAWESOME3980
    @IamAWESOME3980 9 дней назад +1

    this thing just exists. how is it evil

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  8 дней назад

      Exactly! It's like trying to give moral responsibility to an animal. We can't truly understand why it does what it does.

  • @CruzBarrett-t3l
    @CruzBarrett-t3l 7 дней назад

    Mayer Turnpike

  • @AnnemarieDemaire-s6j
    @AnnemarieDemaire-s6j 7 дней назад

    Montana Crest

  • @GladstoneDominic-z7j
    @GladstoneDominic-z7j 9 дней назад

    Claude Lake

  • @PearsonWill-w6o
    @PearsonWill-w6o 8 дней назад

    Gutmann Fort

  • @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk
    @MonographicSingleheadedM-sp2wk 6 дней назад

    it stems from storytelling and how he doesnt understand humanity but how he never fully explains to the what s going on until shet happens is evil imho.

  • @FerretyZebra
    @FerretyZebra 18 дней назад +1

    Kyubey :)

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  18 дней назад

      He's so cute and fun! What a wholesome character!

  • @Kofhiliphus
    @Kofhiliphus 14 дней назад +5

    Kyubey is a being that is always logically right.
    No moral or emotional perspective, it has a job and it does it to its fullest.
    In fact, it explains how the contract works but it is the magical girl's own naivety for not really understanding or asking how sketchy it is.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  14 дней назад +3

      If it sounds too good to be true... Everything has a price. This makes Madoka's choice at the end even more powerful because she was the only one to take the contract who really knew what it entailed.

  • @ИльяКоптюк-з3ж
    @ИльяКоптюк-з3ж 17 дней назад +2

    Wow.How not informative. Tell me how Kubey lied about the terms of the contract. Separation of the soul from the body. And that girls don't live to be 18. And the fact that witches are former girls whose soul gem has turned black. "Because no one asked."

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +3

      Kyubey doesn't think in those terms. It's not like we even ask animals if they want to live on a farm, so in his mind, the Incubators are being more generous than we are.

    • @ИльяКоптюк-з3ж
      @ИльяКоптюк-з3ж 17 дней назад +3

      @@KBWanime And therefore Homura has every right to torture this white cosmo thing. He looks at humanity as a resource.And all his logic and reasons are nothing more than lies. Sayaka and the body. Cleopatra had 5 children. If Kubei hadn't said that she wouldn't have suffered from stupidity. The irreversible process of becoming witches is not there and Sakura died in vain. A week before Walpurgisnacht!

    • @codebracker
      @codebracker 12 дней назад +1

      it's not a lie, it's just an incomplete truth

  • @goobytime
    @goobytime 10 дней назад

    Rebellion Story proves this completely wrong.
    Kyubey was given the less option. He chose to bring back the witch system because he and his entire race prefer the cruelest option that inflicts the most suffering.
    Incubators are indeed capable of malice and sadism.
    The end result is Homura for all points and purposes tortured to insanity and the consequences are not pretty.
    In the end, Homura does what Madoka SHOULD have done but was too weak to do….pursue vengence against not only Kyubey but his entire race of psychopaths.
    As further proof Kyubey is wrong, I bring up Monsterverse Godzilla.
    He is motivated by protecting life and is indifferent to humans but he is capable of empathy in his goals. Godzilla tries to minimize collateral damage (which the narrative treats as an unfortunate evitable consequence of his size and power) and when he does have to swat humans for the greater good he attempts to be as surgical as possible (GvK even points this out by saying that during his attacks on Apex while hunting the true villain, surprisingly few people actually died from his attacks).
    In conclusion: Kyubey did EVERYTHING wrong. Monsterverse Godzilla is good utilitarianism (inflict as little intentional harm to the few as possible), Kyubey is wrong even at utilitariansim (be as cruel as possible).

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  9 дней назад

      I haven't seen Rebellion so I have no comment.

    • @deividrodrigues8819
      @deividrodrigues8819 9 дней назад

      Are you really trying to compare Godzilla to the incubators?
      Don't Godzilla hás to only beat the crap out of any living being that is a menace to the planet or to him while incubators have to deal with the heat death of the Universe using High advance alien science or whatever?

    • @deividrodrigues8819
      @deividrodrigues8819 9 дней назад

      Also i don't know about the malice or sadism part but i though the witches were a better source of energy than wraiths that is why all that happened
      They Also wanted kamidoka Because they wanted to repeat her process Because It's a even superior energy source at least that is my take about everything

  • @nekon_ravenfox
    @nekon_ravenfox 14 дней назад

    did nothing wrong my ***

  • @HicksAlbert-q5n
    @HicksAlbert-q5n 15 дней назад

    Walker John Jones George Clark Nancy

  • @krzysgazda7802
    @krzysgazda7802 17 дней назад

    Kyubey is constantly lying.
    He's goal is always trick girls to die.
    That is evil.

    • @LjCast-b6q
      @LjCast-b6q 16 дней назад +4

      He never lies once throughout the entire series anytime, someone asks him a question he always tells the truth, he is trying to get girls to sacrifice and die, but in the end it’s a positive and good reason, not evil just logical

  • @luckygames8049
    @luckygames8049 13 дней назад

    I agree with kyubeys views I mean to be fair he didn’t force them so

  • @a_naotenhonome780
    @a_naotenhonome780 18 дней назад +195

    Kyubey is what happens if someone if just 100% logic with no emotion/emphaty.
    Everyone always says that the ideal is always being 100% logic, is always a good thing but if logic doesn't have emotion to help check the decisions it can lead to cruelty

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +29

      It's actually logical to be sympathetic and emotional as a human if you think about it...

    • @a_naotenhonome780
      @a_naotenhonome780 17 дней назад +19

      @@KBWanime i think it depends way too much logic can lead to tunnel vision where you ignore the feelings of others to reach the main goal, wich is something kyubey does

    • @Mardshima89
      @Mardshima89 17 дней назад +10

      There Bondrewd from Made in Abyss who not just using logic but also has emotions to back it up. And he still as monstrous as Kyubey in mind. Imo it's not about logic and feeling but more about how alien their mindset are to most of human.

    • @chadgrimwell8380
      @chadgrimwell8380 17 дней назад +5

      ​@@Mardshima89how can you describe someone inhumane (unsympathetic and immoral) if their whole existence and goal is for the benefit of the whole human race. Specially if they are technically not wrong.
      Its comes down to the "are you willing to sacrifice the few to save the whole" dilemma 😅 but human are selfish in nature so, I don't know if we have the right to condemned anyone.

    • @farresalt4381
      @farresalt4381 14 дней назад +1

      Emotions are logical, though? All emotions are logically comprehensible, they are just shortcuts for logic.
      Like writing a program by using libraries of functions instead of writing every function manually.

  • @petelee2477
    @petelee2477 18 дней назад +45

    From the perspective of the entire Earth the cat needs to he stopped.
    They may not be evil but their goals are completely different from ours and it's very clear that they do not care what happens to humans or Earth as evident from this slightly paraphrased Quote from kuybei "I estimate it will no more than 10 days for her to destroy the entire planet. Oh well, it's humanities problem now. We have more than enough energy".
    This was the timeline that madoka defeated walpersnaught and became a witch.
    Maybe it's the same selfish goal all living beings have. Maybe they just want to extend their own life for as long as possible and their lifespan is so long that experiencing the end of the universe before the end of their natural life span is a real concern.
    I suppose from their perspective they nothing wrong.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  18 дней назад +9

      Yeah exactly. Logically if the choice is end a few lives or the entire universe ends, then it's hard to argue that it's wrong when the alternative is everyone dies. It's not exactly that, but it's the way Kyubey thinks.

    • @Nparalelo
      @Nparalelo 17 дней назад

      Yeah, but incubators are also responsible for humanity's evolution. Without them, we'd still be in caves. And with the universe ending, maybe we wouldnt even get to present day.
      So... Still justified in the end.
      But being strictly logic, they could have preserved humans since they are such a valuable energy source, I dunno, evacuating some on a spaceship.

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi 9 дней назад

      No. They are just evil. As can be inferred from some of his conversations, there are other ways to get the energy, this way is just the most efficient or easy. They don't have to destroy human souls it's just the easiest way to the goal. That is evil.

    • @Nparalelo
      @Nparalelo 9 дней назад +1

      @@GodwynDi from our point of view. For a being without the capability of feeling, being evil isn't possible.
      It's like saying bears are evil because they hunt but can digest some vegetables. Being evil requires a conscious choice to hurt just because.
      And again, we are talking about the literal death of the universe. More efficient is reasonable.

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi 9 дней назад

      @Nparalelo No. Moral relativism is itself an evil.

  • @RavenVI
    @RavenVI 12 дней назад +4

    As neutral as Kyubey seems to call himself, I feel like he's still hiding real emotions or goals. He has a tendency to say things out of tone, whether it by sinister phrasing, or little "peeks" of emotion through his responses.
    There are elements that contradict himself. He does say he always asks first, but the problem is he's so persistent it can be seen as a problem, one can argue that it's manipulative to a point where he pressures them until they agree. He also throws consent out the window once rebellion hits and starts poking with homura and madoka both just to get the old system back.
    The tone of his voice combined with specific phrases also hints at a less neutral attitude, as if he gets enjoyment out of it, this is seen especially at the end of Rebellion and with various interactions with Homura in general, as well as the story behind Nagise before she became the sweets witch. Hell, you can even argue that at the end of Rebellion he learned what fear is, even attempting to bail even after his efforts. Honestly Rebellion is the point where his true colors show a whole.
    Ultimately, as much as the incubators claim that humanities short term suffering is "not their problem", one could easily say the "heat death of the universe" is not humanities problem. It's also made super vague about how real this is, or how the incubators are the universes sole saviors of this. This could easily be another masked truth, but it's left too ambiguous to really trust.
    While I don't really agree that Kyubey is as indifferent as they claim, I feel like there's truly not enough known about their goals beyond what we are told. The incubators are also very flawed by having a system that overwrites them, especially with how they don't even have contingency planes for what their wishes could do (rewrite the universe, change time to a point they don't even remember what their own "clients" are capable of).
    TL:DR, Kyubey is like an Army recruiter for magical girls.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 8 дней назад +1

      Heat death of the universe. That’s a promise from God that must be fulfilled. For he hates the state of it all.

    • @RavenVI
      @RavenVI 8 дней назад

      @justice8718 The issue is the incubators aren't gods, the only god here is Madoka overwriting them.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 8 дней назад

      @@RavenVI Since when is God in need of resources?

    • @RavenVI
      @RavenVI 8 дней назад

      @justice8718 Realistically, never. Though I don't get what point you're saying, though.

  • @stanleyholmes1266
    @stanleyholmes1266 18 дней назад +5

    Wait. If she stopped them from turning into witches and that's it, than all that ton of power going into making magical girls wouldn't have any return for the investment. Universe shrivels that much faster, a shorter lifespan for everyone, and they've 0 reason to make ANY more magical girls at all, so would search for another solution.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +4

      Magical girls now fight a different monster that appeared after Madoka rewrote the rules of the universe and defeating those creates energy.

  • @hoangquanle3310
    @hoangquanle3310 3 дня назад +2

    Kyubey 🤝Anti-Spiral.

  • @eb.3764
    @eb.3764 17 дней назад +28

    I would just wish that boys shared the same burden of becoming magical boys and that Kyubey would seek out boys as well.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад +11

      Maybe there is a different alien group that makes magical boys XD

    • @drakofox1362
      @drakofox1362 16 дней назад +5

      I think its possible but its extremely rare for a boy to have the most emotional energy that the magical girls do (plus brotherhood and all that for guys)

    • @Sifya
      @Sifya 15 дней назад +6

      Before rebellion I thought incubators were going to use boys for avoiding madoka role. The point if I remember well girls at least on earth are choosen for becoming witches because education and social expectations. In few words incubator choose girls because they are allowed to be emotional but not handle their emotions. A theory I read long time ago magical boys would work also because male boys are the more who eliminate themselves, making possible they eliminate themselves before turning in witches. In few words souls are pretty much same, but how society raises the gender making them prefer the girls.in another planet would be only magical boys oe planet incubators use both

    • @synthetic9500
      @synthetic9500 15 дней назад

      When entering puberty, teenage boys actually suffer from a big drop in empathy due to the testosterone.
      They simply wouldn't be good energy sources.

    • @OriginalUnjustifier
      @OriginalUnjustifier 14 дней назад +2

      If they did, I would imagine they would keep the 'dark reflection of Sailor Moon' motif going, and instead of being a noble protector figure who arrives to lend a crucial moment of aid before disappearing, they would be either obsessive stalkers the magical girls are actively looking to avoid, a predator preying on Magical Girls, or some other 'negative' stereotype of an adolescent boy, and potentially being an adversary or unwanted 3rd party rather than a loose ally.

  • @Pudding404
    @Pudding404 2 дня назад +1

    The girls freaking out over the big reveal about soul gems just proves his point in why the incubators target girls their age.
    Pmmm is an amazing series for the fact you don't necessarily need someone to blame.

    • @Shadow_Sonata
      @Shadow_Sonata День назад

      It's due to their emotional nature and the greater likelihood they will 'witch out'.

  • @ISoloYouRelax
    @ISoloYouRelax 16 дней назад +4

    Kyuube is my favorite character right behind Homura.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  16 дней назад +1

      Good picks! Homura barely beats out Kyubey for me.

    • @duyanhbui5386
      @duyanhbui5386 16 дней назад

      true he was quite well writen that his flaw is just the fact that life suck

  • @Fallendown-pq1ot
    @Fallendown-pq1ot 18 дней назад +3

    Two antagonist...
    Akio Ohtori and Kyubey...
    Who's better, who do you hate the most and what do they have in common

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  17 дней назад

      I couldn't say. I only know Kyubey

    • @Fallendown-pq1ot
      @Fallendown-pq1ot 16 дней назад

      @@KBWanime
      The damn son of a biscuit is from revolutionary girl utena if you are interested.
      Just prepare yourself mentally for certain things that are shown there

    • @chilibeano
      @chilibeano 8 дней назад

      Akio was ABSOLUTELY the evilest out of the 2, at least with kyubey you can argue he was technically justified, even if he was cruel (until rebellion) Akio was pure evil and a monster that made me sick to my stomach

    • @chilibeano
      @chilibeano 8 дней назад

      @@KBWanimemake sure you’re in a good place mentally if your planning to watch RGU…..

  • @orianesynahel3078
    @orianesynahel3078 7 дней назад

    Why do we have to believe Kyubey when he says he has no emotion? No emotions doesn't mean having no morale.
    Kyubey is a faceless representation of capitalism, boasting himself as the sole reason why society has grown since ancient times (THIS IS A LIE), and that it's a necessary evil he doesn't perceive as evil (AGAIN, LIES).
    I will never buy the "Oh, Kyubey is a just an innocent sweet bean who doesn't have emotion and is just doing the best for the sake of the universe :3 uwu" again and again and again, that's only what he says.
    And Kyubey lies. Constantly. All the time.

  • @gauvacado1091
    @gauvacado1091 18 дней назад +2

    That's actually true if you look at it objectively... No I choose to view all sides and then judge.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  18 дней назад

      Slightly over exaggerating a statement as a hook for a video.... Couldn't be me!

  • @Shizkeb
    @Shizkeb 6 дней назад +1

    Imagine if he discovered how to make magical boys

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  6 дней назад

      From certain conversations in the series, I think he could, he just doesn't want to.

    • @Shadow_Sonata
      @Shadow_Sonata День назад

      @@KBWanime They don't because boys are less emotional and less likely to fall into the despair state needed to become a witch. With some never doing so. It would be useless for them.

  • @tanandalynch9441
    @tanandalynch9441 7 дней назад

    I will defend Kyubei with my life. He did nothing without their consent and he literally calls it a soul gem. It's in the name.
    He also literally pulls something out of Sayaka and returns it to her. What the hell did she think he pulled out of her? The power of friendship?
    Also he's not uncaring so much as he's incapable of feeling anything.
    "What you humans call emotions don't exist for me."

  • @Anresdon-sq9vb
    @Anresdon-sq9vb 6 дней назад

    At this point I think kyuube is the singularity who connects Madoka Magica with Made in Abyss in ways like a parallel twisted universe of a future dystopian

  • @emm6101
    @emm6101 7 дней назад

    To answer the question of letting the universe die? yes he should, so that it can be reborn with a new system. He is in fact prolonging the inevitable death and energy comes from somewhere even these magical girls have a source even if its emotion. Frankly he is lazy at his job.

  • @drakofox1362
    @drakofox1362 16 дней назад +1

    He may have done nothing wrong but he still screwed up by messing with human emotions. And we all know those are very viotile (especially teens)
    Also who do you guys think is worse Kyuuby or Shockwave (Transformers Prime) both are only logic

    • @LjCast-b6q
      @LjCast-b6q 16 дней назад +2

      Shockwave, because shockwave doesn’t have a pure goal that has benefit to the large scale, well, Kyuuby at least his end goal and his purpose for doing all of this horrible stuff is a net positive for the universe

    • @orrorsaness5942
      @orrorsaness5942 10 дней назад +1

      Shockwave

  • @NancyRobinson-n2k
    @NancyRobinson-n2k 2 часа назад

    Johnny Mount

  • @EllenOrville-q5h
    @EllenOrville-q5h 2 дня назад

    Jerde Points

  • @RobertRobert-c3f
    @RobertRobert-c3f 2 дня назад

    Zieme Causeway

  • @SavannahHaubrich-y3e
    @SavannahHaubrich-y3e 2 дня назад

    Sheila Spring

  • @trazyntheinfinite9895
    @trazyntheinfinite9895 7 дней назад

    Moopsy?

  • @elylioney6390
    @elylioney6390 14 дней назад +1

    Wow, how many yrs has it been since I wat hed the anime. Thx for reminding me how good the story was.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  14 дней назад +1

      It's such a good show! It's really good on a second watch too!

  • @JoyHenkel-i8c
    @JoyHenkel-i8c 17 часов назад

    Lela Loaf

  • @JEHOVAH-999
    @JEHOVAH-999 20 часов назад

    🩷

  • @ETPlayground
    @ETPlayground 13 дней назад

    It seems to have a gap with humanity like humanity has with other animals which is the most horrific part. How do we fight against or reason against something when we know we can't know all that it knows? If we're just livestock to them, how could we even consider fighting back? Ugh this story is so good 😻🤩

  • @Wolfcreed117
    @Wolfcreed117 8 дней назад

    Contract? 📃

  • @ordanse5261
    @ordanse5261 2 дня назад

    That is a horrifyingly bad opinion.

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  2 дня назад

      That Kyubey is a good character?

    • @Shadow_Sonata
      @Shadow_Sonata День назад

      @@KBWanime He's actually not good or evil, but something outside the human concepts of moralty.

  • @flowersincarnate
    @flowersincarnate 19 дней назад +1

    WELL DONE !!!! WOOOO ROARR

    • @KBWanime
      @KBWanime  19 дней назад

      Thanks! Glad you found this video!

  • @RecoVazquez
    @RecoVazquez 18 дней назад

    One of my favorite villains is from persona 4 I don’t want to spoil so I won’t say

  • @elysainempire4628
    @elysainempire4628 15 дней назад +1

    Kuybey isn't complex
    Looks at the mobile game and mangas that shows Kuybey makes sure to give the gives the biggest bang for their buck(wish). With the universe itself fucking over the girls via trying to fix itself.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 8 дней назад

      That cannot be the universe.
      That must be God himself. The only entity who will bend the entire world for his hatred of magic.

    • @elysainempire4628
      @elysainempire4628 8 дней назад

      @justice8718 it's literally said that the universe itself does it. And the universe makes sure the public at large will never know of magical girls.
      The only Gods we have is Madoka and Homura(yes homura made herself a god and bot stole madoka's powers, explain better in Wraith arc). Thought other afterlifes have been hinted at existing.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 8 дней назад

      @@elysainempire4628 The universe is obeying a true God that spoke it into existence.

    • @elysainempire4628
      @elysainempire4628 8 дней назад

      @justice8718 Again, God doesn't exist. It's just the universe itself. The universe is in control over itself and proceeds to bitchslaps anyone that tries to mess with it. I.e the Magical girls becoming Witches.
      And if there is a god, it's a shiny one seeing as Kuybey is literally trying to prevent the death of the universe, with Madoka and Homura later doing the same thing in their way.

    • @justice8718
      @justice8718 8 дней назад

      @@elysainempire4628 If God doesn’t exist, then the story cannot exist and nothing about the universe makes any sense. If the Universe hates magic, why does it hate magic if there is no creator for it that hates magic and sees it as a stain against his creation?