Awww ...too bad. I used to like your unbiased evaluations of handguns and ammo. But now you seem to be hawking Muddy River holsters. Too bad you sold out. Your statement: "I am not promoting, nor do I have any affiliation with, any of the retailers or manufacturers shown in this video unless specifically stated otherwise." Suuuure ..... Just a coincidence that your video starts out as an advertisement. Another good reviewer bites the dust ...... I unsubscribed and won't be back. 😞
How about listening to the words instead of lookin at the pretty pictures, clown. I specifically told you I have ZERO affiliation with Muddy River. Whether or not you believe that means absolutely less than nothing to me. Go watch one of your favorite REAL shills and don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out. 👍
I like how Tools and Targets "advertises" all this ammo on what works and what doesn't. Have you ever heard how someone likes a certain product, like a holster? I suppose you don't ask family, friends, coworkers, etc on what they like or would recommend. I've seen plenty of idiots on the internet, and you are pretty high up there.
Of the three options, I hold with the Grizzly. I've shot both their 200gr and 180gr loadings and they're nearly perfect. They produce a devastating wound channel and just the right depth of penetration. Plus, Grizzly does free shipping.
Amazing since none of these bullets were originally designed for the 10mm. That is why I like the heavy for caliber Hornady 147gr 357 Sig round as the Hornady bullet was designed for the 357 Sig caliber from the beginning and offers great performance.
I kind of feel like it is splitting hairs with these three. They all expand. They all reach ideal depth in the gel. They all have over 600 ft-lb of energy. 🏆🏆🏆
Gerandhumb just did a gel dummy test with the 135grain jhp from underwood and also looked amazing. Had a chance to check it out? If you have what are your thoughts. I was also leaning toward these types of weights in 10mm.
@JuanGonzalez-cl4md yeah I did! Great video. And I actually watched it again a couple nights ago lol. I really liked the 135 in that video to. But if you can get a 200gr going 1500 then by far that's probably the best 10mm loading. But I really like the 165gr and 155gr loads. Seems like best of both worlds. 10mm is just amazing for a semi auto gub
Hoping to see him test the 10MM AUTO 115GR. XTREME DEFENDER PLATINUM EDITION and the 10MM AUTO 150GR. XTREME HUNTER PLATINUM EDITION SOLID MONOLITHIC HUNTING & SELF DEFENSE AMMO perform from the short barrel. Then compare those results to the same two ammo types from the G20. I have a feeling one or both might prove to be the most reliable and powerful in the short barrel, plus be the barrier blind. Same with the UW XD in 135grain in 45acp. That might prove to be the best overall performance from a short barrel like the G30/G30s, as well as the G21 length barrel.
Good choices, Brian! My EDC is also the Glock 29, although my carry ammo is the 100 gr. Xtreme Defender, which is actually pleasant to shoot out of the 29. I like your holsters as well, mine is the Alien Gear Shape Shift, which is very comfortable rig for all day carry, and seems very similar to your choice. Back to ammo, I get an average of 1688 out of my G29 so I'm perfectly happy with it. Recoil is mild and while they are loud, there is minimal muzzel flash. Bottom line is, I don't think you can go wrong with any of them! The 10mm gives me a lot more confidence than any 9mm! Cheers, jc8
Tools, there's nothing better than firing a hand Canon 10mm all of those rounds performed amazingly and you can hear and almost feel the power of that particular Glock 29 when you're testing it great job Mr tools keep up the good work 💪👍👍
Talk about timing. I had just watched the Underwood 155 and 180 (redo) and the Buffalo Bore earlier today and then this came out. Excellent review. Thanks Tools!
All three rounds you tested have some SERIOUS butt-whuppin’ power- so impressed with all of them especially out of that 3.8 inch model 29. I’m definitely biased, but I’d make the argument to anyone that the Glock 29 is the “ultimate carry piece.” As long as a person can handle recoil and put rounds on target, there ain’t NOTHING you have to worry about if you’re carrying a G 29 loaded with some of this good stout ammo
@@ToolsandTargets And maybe some wise manufacturers (HST) will finally listen and improve their products! I think we all would love to see at least a second option of HST 10mm moving the proper velocity. They got the 200 grain right, they just don’t produce the ft lbs expected from 10mm. Even without any redesign of the projectile, my bet is that the increased velocity to at least the standard 1250 from a common roughly 4.5 inch barrel would still yield the high end penetration yet even greater expansion and wound channel! That slight increase in speed would make the block jump the way it should when hit by defense grade 10mm. That would make the HST the king of 10mm JHP carry ammo. Keep up the rants until they wake up and give us a proper product 👊🏽
They’re all very great, but I chose the Sig V Crown for the little extra penetration. 100% I chose underwood 200Gr lipsticks for animals. In Montana we have grizzlies and you do NOT want hollow points in that situation. Thanks for sharing Tools. As a 10mm carrier you’ve done me a great service. God bless you sir!
@@ToolsandTargets I just picked up the Underwood 200-grain JHP's myself, which i'll be able to try out once I get my Sig P320-XTEN from the gun store in a couple of weeks (damn processing is long as hell)
After watching a number of gel tests of defensive 10mm, I stocked up on the 155 grain Underwood XTPs as my primary defensive ammo in 10mm. I additionally bought three boxes of 135 grain Underwood Noslers in 10mm. Their penetration leaves something to be desired, but the energy-dump damage-channel is impressive. My next defensive 10mm ammo purchase will be to stock up on 100 grain Underwood Xtreme Defenders in 10mm. They approach rifle-like velocities out of a 5.6-inch barrel, the barrel length of my S&W M&P 2.0 Performance Center 10mm. Generally, I tend to prefer my defensive ammo light and fast: energy transfer tends to be explosive; damage channel tends to be impressive; if a hollow point, reliable expansion velocities are a non-issue and expansion tends to be maximized; and penetration is usually adequate with risk of over-penetration minimized. Heavier grain ammo I think of as more suitable for hunting.
All are impressive. Underwood for Self Defense. Bore for hunting or big critter defense. Would still like the Grizzly especially for the woods. But all 3 look great. Thanks for the 10mm testing Brian.
Best darn 10mm test I've ever seen on YT The top 3 neck to neck...❤ I was really hoping the grizzly would eat the buffalo..... beautiful performance from all
It did imo. Bigger wound channel and didn't over penatrate. My thing is I have my 10mm because we do have large dangerous game where we go camping. And have property. Want something when on the atvs that will use its energy to stop it and not zip through. So def a +/- depending on what you're looking for and your personal needs.
Underwood's 165gr GoldDot was my favorite until it was discontinued. Currently, their 115gr Extreme Defenders is my goto! It appears that Hornady's 155/165 XTP loadings are "almost" as good as Underwood's version.
The XTP bullets are great bullets. I have used them for handgun hunting for many years. I have used the 180grains in 357 Magnum and the 200 grains in 10mm and they both do a great job. Quick kills and great penetration.
You are my favorite channel! I'm a 10mm fanboy! I carry the BB 180 in my Glock 29, and my Springfield armory xdm elite 10mm. Also I carry a SA 5.25" 10mm as well with the BB.
Been watching your channel a lot lately, in my state any pistol round you carry while hunting needs to make 500 ft-lbs minimum and be .35 cal or larger, so your testing has been an awesome resource. Thanks!
I have had a fair amount of experience deer hunting with XTPs in 44 cal, out of 44mag (handgun and rifle) and 444 Marlin. They are tough bullets and expand very well. I have not taken a deer with my 10mm yet, but given my other experience, my first choice would be an XTP.
Great video. I have carried the Underwood 155 for years now. You need to try out the Kenai chest holster. You can carry the Glock 20 or 40 all day and don’t even know it’s there. You do have to wear a cover garment.
I ❤️ Muddy River Tactical holsters! They were the first to market with a holster for the Ruger 380 Security. It works great with my 43x mos as well. Great content as always🙏🏿🇺🇸
I know I’m just seeing this now but very great test. I’m not a 10mm guy yet but to test three different boutiques out of a shorty is an A++ in my book. Glad I stumbled upon this test. Fantastic job sir. All the rounds expanded great out of the short barrel.
Good video good test. 10mm is a good choice for all around and having one round for carry makes sense too. Something I’ve noticed recently (and I do it as well) is to criticize the 10mm rounds that are down loaded but never even think twice about how every commonly available round is the same way. For example there are few if any people complaining about modern 9mm not being loaded to original specs, or .357 to original, or .44mag, or 45acp or .380 or anything else. Most of the common offerings from all of rounds are below their orig spec. It’s curious how this only bothers people with 10mm and nothing else. Just something I’ve realized recently 🤷♂️
For me it's the fact that 10mm is supposed to be "extra" compared to it's smaller semi-auto cousins. I expect 9mm, .45acp, .380, etc to be weak in general.
Always love your videos. That Grizzly round looks like it would do some serious damage. I don’t know if it just isn’t showing well but the wound channel from the Buffalo Bore looks alot less devastating than the other two, maybe this explains the greater penetration. I would be interested to see how things would pan out if all bullets were the exact same weight.
A man cannot go wrong with any of the three, awesome performance from the group! UW has a good deal on the 155's right now...a couple of boxes headed my way! 👍
I ordered a Muddy River for my Mete when they first came out. I believe you are correct, they were the first or one of the first to come out with a holster. Their customer service is excellent, too.
@@nevmax9312 agreed!!!! I've used Underwood not only through my Sig P320-XTEN and its 9mm counterpart, but also through my Ruger GP100, Desert Eagle, and through my .460 Magnum. and all of them performed really well when using the Underwood brand
Ironically, I just received my 60 round order of the exact same Underwood 10mm you tested. Going to use them for defense against two legged predators. Thanks Tools.
I wish Underwood could get ahold of the 165gr HSTs! Since Federal dosent want to load them properly, let someone who knows what 10mm is, load it for you! A 165gr HST going 1400fps would be my ticket.
Thank you for this one, Tools. VERY useful info. I noticed the Hogue grip sleeve on your P365. I got the same for mine a year ago. One day I tried a minor, but permanent mod, and it improved my grip and position of my hand. I took a sharp knife to the top of it all the way around it, coming down to about 1/8" below the top of the texture on the back-strap. This lowered the axis of the bore in relation to my hand and just feels better. Your mileage may vary, but I like what it did for me. Thank you for all your helpful videos! 🤠👍
Great performance from all 3, I'm an Underwood fan, and out of the 3, I like how it performed it had the right amount of penetration along with energy dump & held itself together well. That grizzly is no joke at all though.
Three great looking choices there, nice performance out of the 29. The 155 holding together at the speed it was going is impressive. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
When I watch the videos my focus is onnthe performance of the ammo. Im not worried about what he is or isnt advertising or to micro-manage or "expose" anyone. . I like knowing what im buying before I buy it. So far this is the best channel for analysis on ammo in my opinion. Keep up the good work Tools.
A friend recommended your channel here and we both owe him a thank you. I have subscribed. Not on his recommendation. He got me to you, your content got the subscription. Keep doing what you are doing and the sky is the limit.
I recently bought some .357 and 45acp+p ammo from Buffalo Bore. The 45 had Speer brass headstamp and Speer gold dot bullet. Ammo almost looked like reloads. Dirty and scratched. Looks like they were packaged by hand half upside down in the box. I contacted Buffalo Bore and they claim they buy brass from Speer. Looks like they buy the cheapest stuff they can find. I have purchased Underwood many times and the ammo always seemed polished and perfect with the Underwood headstamp.
I've never tried any of Buffalo Bore's products before, but I might get a box of their .460 Magnum Hard Casts with my next gun purchase for my 45th birthday (been looking at a Marlin 1895 lever-action in .45-70, or a Colt Anaconda/Ruger Super Redhawk in .44 Magnum). But Underwood's products are always top notch, and have purchased products from them many times (either from them directly, or from Outdoor Limited's site, which sells their products at slightly cheaper prices)
All I mess with at all other than collectables is 10mm and ive got 2 g40s one with a 7in kkm barrel and a g20 and g29 and several other 10mms and I like them not complaining about them but I'm telling you get you a delta elite and you'll put them glocks back in the safe it just shoots amazing and stock it out shoots my built g40 bad
I have some Defender Ammo, a veteran owned ammo company, ammunition on order to try out. Trying 380APC, 9mm, 40cal and 10mm to see how it runs. The reviews I have seen on this ammo looks promising. If you get a chance, I would love to see what you make of it. Thanks for the video and keep shooting 😊.
@@ToolsandTargets Another interesting video idea I have is doing a EDC 9mm vs .40 vs .45 vs .357 sig vs 10mm. You could even throw in a 30 super carry if you want but I honestly think 30 super carry is junk. You might have to use a couple of different blocks of jelly but I think it would be a good comparison video and probably stir up a lot of chatter in the comments from the various caliber fan boys! Heck even do it with the top EDC revolver cartridges too! Take it easy tools.
That 155 Underwood is my 'in the grip' load. Absolutely no nonsense round. I picked up a few cases of it along with a few boxes of their hardcast. Never tried the other two. Or Muddy River holsters. So, I figure this video probably just set me back about $500. Thanks 😂 Oh, I swear I think the 155 IS a Nosler bull it. Lemme check the box. Nope. You're right. Their 150gr 10mm is a Nosler. So now I gotta order that to try, too. You're killin me Smalls
I bought the Springfield Armory Ronin 1911 in 10mm last month. 5" barrel and I'm thinking for the price and performance the Underwood 180 XTP will be my carry round for social occasions. You were getting roughly 1300 fps with those, correct? The underwood 200-220 hardcast for woods carry here in north Idaho might be the ticket but I can get gas check hardcast bullets and handload for bear. I figured 1200 with either of those would be about right. I welcome your thoughts on those. Thanks for the testing. It did help me make some choices. I was originally all in on the HSTs but it seems like those aren't optimized for the 10mm. They seem to be good in the 45 ACP.
I’m new to the channel and I appreciate all the good advice. I’ve just stepped up from my Glock 26 9mm SF to a Glock 29 10mm SF. You mentioned that you would carry the buffalo bore 180 grain for two and four legged critters. Would that include grizzly bear?
I'm not an expert on Grizzly defense but I would not feel underpowered, from what I have seen, with the 180 Buffalo Bore. If I knew for fact that there was a very high likelihood of an encounter, I might consider going with their 200 grain hardcast but I have never tested that so I can't say that for sure.
Imo some fragmentation is good. The wound channel always seems better. The Buffalo bore seems to like the G20 better as far as wound channel. Not impressed with a straight narrow wound channel. The Grizzly looked good. Underwood would be excellent from G20 if we get 1500 FPS. I gotta tell you, velocity is where it’s at for me. Seems like a 150ish grain north of 1500 FPS is the best.
IN MY OPINION YOU HAVE THE BEST AMMO TESTING ON RUclips OR ANY PLACE IVE SEEN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANKS.WHAT KEEPS ME FROM MOVING FROM 9MM TO 10MM IS AMMO AVAILABILITY.
Excellent vid Tools. How can you choose just one star in the sky?? That there was a Ménage en trois. I have both The Buffalo Bore and the Underwood 155gr. Took the 155gr out to the indoor range last week w my XDM 3.8 and the guy next to me said, w a smile on his face, “Man that’s a hand cannon” I replyed “ Yes it is” I have noticed w all my Buffalo Bore 10mm loads that the recoil is much less.
That's a tuff call on the winner perfomance Buffalo Bore(pen. and weight retention, SD) Cost underwood. great test. I think I am going to have to add a G29 to the stable.
Great video TOOLS. I always turn to your testing when I have questions making an educated decision with carry rounds, because I know the results are honest to goodness hard facts and you test the ammo I’m wondering about, in the barrel lengths that give a full spectrum/well rounded scope, all to better my understanding of reality based expectations that are practical and applicable to the users’ needs. Keep up the good work and you now got me looking into getting a new tool in 10 mill. Thank you sir! 🌵
Accuracy and feed reliability is another consideration. XTP bullets have an excellent feed profile. The 155gr Underwood will weigh less on your belt for carry, and features nickel plated brass cases. I'd personally go with the Underwood for CC in urban locations
Hey Tools! Can you test the 10mm Grizzly 200 gr. Hard cast load? I carry that in my Glock 20 here in Idaho in case of any unruly bear or if I catch a Cougar stalking me. I have done some tests and it seems to really perform well but would love to see it put to the jelly contraption !! Keep up the awesome work, sir ! Love your videos
Great test, I ordered a few boxes of Underwood 357 and 10 mm after washing your videos and couldn't be happy with the purchase, well I would have been happier if it was in stock at the local store.
In my research; I've found that 1200fps with a 180gr projectile is standard. Norma was simply known for loading everything a little spicy. I will admit however; I am quite curious what those old Norma load felt like at the wrist.
Love it that's all I've been shooting is my 10 mil been ordering a bunch of aac from that PSA link you put out but yes all the rounds are great I wanna see how the grizzly does out my fn
Tools. Please give your opinion. I own 2 Muddy River holsters.Both OWB. That’s all I carry..concealed. Don’t carrry IWB.I have one for my Canik TP9 Elite SC and for my XDM 10mm. Happy w both holsters. Spoke to Kevin on the phone one day because the retention was off on one holster. He had me ship it back. He returned it to me in perfect working order.. Didn’t charge me shipping for returning it or getting it back. The Cat is a good dude. NOW. How comfortable is his IWB Holster? I’m considering one for the Canik and want to support him more but your thoughts are important. Thank you
I absolutely love these IWB hybrid type holsters. I wear them right at about the 3 : 30 to 4 : 00 position every single day. I never take it off when I sit, get in the car, nothing. I think these are the most comfortable way to carry, period. If I had to find a negative it would be that you might have an issue if you wear tight pants. I like everything I wear loose so it doesn't effect me at all, but some folks it might.
For my S&W 610-2 (4”) barrel, I believe either the BB 180 grain HP or the 200 grain Grizzly HP. If they over penetrate, oh well, two holes bleed better than one. Just sayin’.
😮💨 they all preformed pretty good! Great video once again. My weekend warrior tells me mix between the three 😅😬 now what do you think is the hottest practice ammo in 10mm (fmj)?
I like the extreme defender rounds underwood produces. If you have to stop a bear that extreme penetrator is an amazing round too , and I have no doubt it would do the job. Got several friends who have taken deer with them with very little tracking involved.
Awww ...too bad. I used to like your unbiased evaluations of handguns and ammo. But now you seem to be hawking Muddy River holsters. Too bad you sold out. Your statement: "I am not promoting, nor do I have any affiliation with, any of the retailers or manufacturers shown in this video unless specifically stated otherwise." Suuuure ..... Just a coincidence that your video starts out as an advertisement.
Another good reviewer bites the dust ...... I unsubscribed and won't be back.
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How about listening to the words instead of lookin at the pretty pictures, clown. I specifically told you I have ZERO affiliation with Muddy River. Whether or not you believe that means absolutely less than nothing to me. Go watch one of your favorite REAL shills and don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out. 👍
@ToolsandTargets bwahaha! Keep doing you tools, there's always someone drinking the haterade.
I like how Tools and Targets "advertises" all this ammo on what works and what doesn't.
Have you ever heard how someone likes a certain product, like a holster? I suppose you don't ask family, friends, coworkers, etc on what they like or would recommend. I've seen plenty of idiots on the internet, and you are pretty high up there.
The reviewer does a terrific service for us, and here you are callin him a liar without any proof. You, commenter, are a jerk. Go away.
This isn't the bus station you are used to. No need to announce your departure.
Of the three options, I hold with the Grizzly. I've shot both their 200gr and 180gr loadings and they're nearly perfect. They produce a devastating wound channel and just the right depth of penetration. Plus, Grizzly does free shipping.
Definitely a better price tag than the BB.😎👍
@@ToolsandTargets$20 bucks a pop from 2A warehouse which for Hot Defensive 10mm is a screaming deal.
Amazing since none of these bullets were originally designed for the 10mm. That is why I like the heavy for caliber Hornady 147gr 357 Sig round as the Hornady bullet was designed for the 357 Sig caliber from the beginning and offers great performance.
I kind of feel like it is splitting hairs with these three. They all expand. They all reach ideal depth in the gel. They all have over 600 ft-lb of energy. 🏆🏆🏆
😂I believe he's in love with 10mm
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I am too lol probably my favorite caliber.. 9mm & 10mm are 2 of my favorites.. 40 & 357 mag are probably runner up
I most certainly am!
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Underwood fan here. 180GDHP, 180XTP & 200XTP for projectiles.
I'm really into the 155gr and 165gr 10mm loads. The speed and wound channels just look insane
Gerandhumb just did a gel dummy test with the 135grain jhp from underwood and also looked amazing. Had a chance to check it out? If you have what are your thoughts. I was also leaning toward these types of weights in 10mm.
@JuanGonzalez-cl4md yeah I did! Great video. And I actually watched it again a couple nights ago lol. I really liked the 135 in that video to. But if you can get a 200gr going 1500 then by far that's probably the best 10mm loading. But I really like the 165gr and 155gr loads. Seems like best of both worlds. 10mm is just amazing for a semi auto gub
Yes 200 grain 1500 would be nice! Although I wonder about penetration through barriers with the lighter load like the 135grain...
Hoping to see him test the 10MM AUTO 115GR. XTREME DEFENDER PLATINUM EDITION
and the 10MM AUTO 150GR. XTREME HUNTER PLATINUM EDITION SOLID MONOLITHIC HUNTING & SELF DEFENSE AMMO perform from the short barrel. Then compare those results to the same two ammo types from the G20. I have a feeling one or both might prove to be the most reliable and powerful in the short barrel, plus be the barrier blind.
Same with the UW XD in 135grain in 45acp. That might prove to be the best overall performance from a short barrel like the G30/G30s, as well as the G21 length barrel.
@@JuanGonzalez-cl4md 115 grain I believe go through bullet proof glass
10mm was the 2nd handgun chambering I ever bought having never shot it before. Fell in love with it and never looked back.
Right i have a 40cal juss ordered my g29 reslly looking foward
I grabbed a 10mm g29 yesterday. It'll be my first. Cant wait to test it out.
Good choices, Brian! My EDC is also the Glock 29, although my carry ammo is the 100 gr. Xtreme Defender, which is actually pleasant to shoot out of the 29. I like your holsters as well, mine is the Alien Gear Shape Shift, which is very comfortable rig for all day carry, and seems very similar to your choice. Back to ammo, I get an average of 1688 out of my G29 so I'm perfectly happy with it. Recoil is mild and while they are loud, there is minimal muzzel flash. Bottom line is, I don't think you can go wrong with any of them! The 10mm gives me a lot more confidence than any 9mm!
Cheers,
jc8
@@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 same
Tools, there's nothing better than firing a hand Canon 10mm all of those rounds performed amazingly and you can hear and almost feel the power of that particular Glock 29 when you're testing it great job Mr tools keep up the good work 💪👍👍
Talk about timing. I had just watched the Underwood 155 and 180 (redo) and the Buffalo Bore earlier today and then this came out. Excellent review. Thanks Tools!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Seems like a test showing all three side by side from the g20 should be next. Awesome results. Great video
All three rounds you tested have some SERIOUS butt-whuppin’ power- so impressed with all of them especially out of that 3.8 inch model 29. I’m definitely biased, but I’d make the argument to anyone that the Glock 29 is the “ultimate carry piece.” As long as a person can handle recoil and put rounds on target, there ain’t NOTHING you have to worry about if you’re carrying a G 29 loaded with some of this good stout ammo
Thank you! I too am a big fan of 10mm. My preference is Underwood XTP 200.
Great performance from all 3 even though I love hearing the 10mm rants. 😂. Appreciate you Tools. 🇺🇸
I have to spread out the bad stuff for my health.😂
@@ToolsandTargets And maybe some wise manufacturers (HST) will finally listen and improve their products! I think we all would love to see at least a second option of HST 10mm moving the proper velocity. They got the 200 grain right, they just don’t produce the ft lbs expected from 10mm. Even without any redesign of the projectile, my bet is that the increased velocity to at least the standard 1250 from a common roughly 4.5 inch barrel would still yield the high end penetration yet even greater expansion and wound channel! That slight increase in speed would make the block jump the way it should when hit by defense grade 10mm. That would make the HST the king of 10mm JHP carry ammo.
Keep up the rants until they wake up and give us a proper product 👊🏽
He called you a tool
I'm going with the heavyweight Griz. For the 200gr to hold it's own with the lighter bullets, that's impressive to me. Great Test!
Absolutely outstanding! Any will do. Huge, huge thanks. Very good demo for all the 10mm carry guys.
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They’re all very great, but I chose the Sig V Crown for the little extra penetration. 100% I chose underwood 200Gr lipsticks for animals. In Montana we have grizzlies and you do NOT want hollow points in that situation. Thanks for sharing Tools. As a 10mm carrier you’ve done me a great service. God bless you sir!
Thank you, my friend!😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets I just picked up the Underwood 200-grain JHP's myself, which i'll be able to try out once I get my Sig P320-XTEN from the gun store in a couple of weeks (damn processing is long as hell)
After watching a number of gel tests of defensive 10mm, I stocked up on the 155 grain Underwood XTPs as my primary defensive ammo in 10mm. I additionally bought three boxes of 135 grain Underwood Noslers in 10mm. Their penetration leaves something to be desired, but the energy-dump damage-channel is impressive. My next defensive 10mm ammo purchase will be to stock up on 100 grain Underwood Xtreme Defenders in 10mm. They approach rifle-like velocities out of a 5.6-inch barrel, the barrel length of my S&W M&P 2.0 Performance Center 10mm. Generally, I tend to prefer my defensive ammo light and fast: energy transfer tends to be explosive; damage channel tends to be impressive; if a hollow point, reliable expansion velocities are a non-issue and expansion tends to be maximized; and penetration is usually adequate with risk of over-penetration minimized. Heavier grain ammo I think of as more suitable for hunting.
All are impressive. Underwood for Self Defense. Bore for hunting or big critter defense. Would still like the Grizzly especially for the woods. But all 3 look great. Thanks for the 10mm testing Brian.
All 3 are terrific.
Absolutely
Thank you Tools ⚒️ & Muddy River !
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Best darn 10mm test I've ever seen on YT
The top 3 neck to neck...❤
I was really hoping the grizzly would eat the buffalo..... beautiful performance from all
Appreciate that. Some big winners here.😎👊
It did imo.
Bigger wound channel and didn't over penatrate.
My thing is I have my 10mm because we do have large dangerous game where we go camping. And have property. Want something when on the atvs that will use its energy to stop it and not zip through.
So def a +/- depending on what you're looking for and your personal needs.
Underwood ammo is my go too for both my Rugers. 357 mag & 380 security! Awesome ammo!
Underwood's 165gr GoldDot was my favorite until it was discontinued. Currently, their 115gr Extreme Defenders is my goto!
It appears that Hornady's 155/165 XTP loadings are "almost" as good as Underwood's version.
Tried some Hornady 155 gr @ 1410 fps and it sure sounded/felt good for a reasonable price to boot.
I hate that they don't load Gold Dot anymore.
Defenders are far better than gold dots. Underwood did you a huge favor forcing you to switch against your will
Really tired. Sore
The XTP bullets are great bullets.
I have used them for handgun hunting for many years.
I have used the 180grains in 357 Magnum and the 200 grains in 10mm and they both do a great job.
Quick kills and great penetration.
You are my favorite channel! I'm a 10mm fanboy! I carry the BB 180 in my Glock 29, and my Springfield armory xdm elite 10mm. Also I carry a SA 5.25" 10mm as well with the BB.
Underwood 155 grain is my favorite 10 mm ammo for deer hunting and personal defense. Thanks
Great stuff
Been watching your channel a lot lately, in my state any pistol round you carry while hunting needs to make 500 ft-lbs minimum and be .35 cal or larger, so your testing has been an awesome resource. Thanks!
I have had a fair amount of experience deer hunting with XTPs in 44 cal, out of 44mag (handgun and rifle) and 444 Marlin. They are tough bullets and expand very well. I have not taken a deer with my 10mm yet, but given my other experience, my first choice would be an XTP.
Yes sir, but I make my own Buffalo Bore 180gr xtp's, 1350fps! Another great review!
Great video. I have carried the Underwood 155 for years now. You need to try out the Kenai chest holster. You can carry the Glock 20 or 40 all day and don’t even know it’s there. You do have to wear a cover garment.
I ❤️ Muddy River Tactical holsters! They were the first to market with a holster for the Ruger 380 Security. It works great with my 43x mos as well. Great content as always🙏🏿🇺🇸
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I’ve actually tried all THREE of these in my S&W. All three fired flawlessly . Love that 10 mm
Thank you for your videos
I know I’m just seeing this now but very great test. I’m not a 10mm guy yet but to test three different boutiques out of a shorty is an A++ in my book. Glad I stumbled upon this test. Fantastic job sir. All the rounds expanded great out of the short barrel.
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Tools i like the longer videos
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Ditto that.
I honestly think the 155 or 165 grain bullets for the 10mm might be the best between velocity, penetration and wound channel.
Good video good test.
10mm is a good choice for all around and having one round for carry makes sense too.
Something I’ve noticed recently (and I do it as well) is to criticize the 10mm rounds that are down loaded but never even think twice about how every commonly available round is the same way.
For example there are few if any people complaining about modern 9mm not being loaded to original specs, or .357 to original, or .44mag, or 45acp or .380 or anything else.
Most of the common offerings from all of rounds are below their orig spec.
It’s curious how this only bothers people with 10mm and nothing else.
Just something I’ve realized recently 🤷♂️
For me it's the fact that 10mm is supposed to be "extra" compared to it's smaller semi-auto cousins. I expect 9mm, .45acp, .380, etc to be weak in general.
I believe that Underwood, Buffalo Bore, CorBon, and Grizzly load 10mm to full SAAMI pressures.
Always love your videos. That Grizzly round looks like it would do some serious damage. I don’t know if it just isn’t showing well but the wound channel from the Buffalo Bore looks alot less devastating than the other two, maybe this explains the greater penetration. I would be interested to see how things would pan out if all bullets were the exact same weight.
A man cannot go wrong with any of the three, awesome performance from the group! UW has a good deal on the 155's right now...a couple of boxes headed my way! 👍
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Best 10mm rd. Comparison test ever in my book! Late reply but I have watched this one at least a dozen times since it was posted!!
Appreciate that, brother. These are what 10mm should be.😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets No doubt about it, Brother!! {Truth!!}
@@ToolsandTargets and THIS is why I prefer the Underwood Ammo brand when it comes to 10mm rounds loaded hot
I ordered a Muddy River for my Mete when they first came out. I believe you are correct, they were the first or one of the first to come out with a holster. Their customer service is excellent, too.
Underwood will always be my choice
Honestly same
The other two performed greatly, but the wound channel from Underwood is always so gnarly. Their QC is on point as well.
@@nevmax9312 agreed!!!! I've used Underwood not only through my Sig P320-XTEN and its 9mm counterpart, but also through my Ruger GP100, Desert Eagle, and through my .460 Magnum. and all of them performed really well when using the Underwood brand
I just wanted to say that I appreciate that you appreciated their appreciation of you appreciating their product
Ironically, I just received my 60 round order of the exact same Underwood 10mm you tested. Going to use them for defense against two legged predators. Thanks Tools.
I wish Underwood could get ahold of the 165gr HSTs! Since Federal dosent want to load them properly, let someone who knows what 10mm is, load it for you! A 165gr HST going 1400fps would be my ticket.
Great ammo test, keep the videos coming buddy
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Thank you for this one, Tools. VERY useful info.
I noticed the Hogue grip sleeve on your P365. I got the same for mine a year ago. One day I tried a minor, but permanent mod, and it improved my grip and position of my hand. I took a sharp knife to the top of it all the way around it, coming down to about 1/8" below the top of the texture on the back-strap. This lowered the axis of the bore in relation to my hand and just feels better. Your mileage may vary, but I like what it did for me. Thank you for all your helpful videos! 🤠👍
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Great performance from all 3, I'm an Underwood fan, and out of the 3, I like how it performed it had the right amount of penetration along with energy dump & held itself together well.
That grizzly is no joke at all though.
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Three great looking choices there, nice performance out of the 29. The 155 holding together at the speed it was going is impressive. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!
Another good test, Tools! 👍
BUT ... one load for both Carry and Woods? 🤔 I always thought - JHP for 2-legged, Hard Cast for 4-legged.
When I watch the videos my focus is onnthe performance of the ammo. Im not worried about what he is or isnt advertising or to micro-manage or "expose" anyone. . I like knowing what im buying before I buy it. So far this is the best channel for analysis on ammo in my opinion. Keep up the good work Tools.
Thank you sir.😎👊
@@ToolsandTargets 👊 No problem man
T&T's videos are my go to, to learn about ammo performance...what you see is what you get
A friend recommended your channel here and we both owe him a thank you. I have subscribed. Not on his recommendation. He got me to you, your content got the subscription. Keep doing what you are doing and the sky is the limit.
Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊
Put some of that Grizzly through my Hi-Point 1095TS today. It is a thumper and fed great! Thanks for bringing this stuff to our attention.
Nice!
I appreciate you having the BBs to call just what your fav is, and would be. Thank you helping me to make a decision.
I recently bought some .357 and 45acp+p ammo from Buffalo Bore. The 45 had Speer brass headstamp and Speer gold dot bullet. Ammo almost looked like reloads. Dirty and scratched. Looks like they were packaged by hand half upside down in the box.
I contacted Buffalo Bore and they claim they buy brass from Speer. Looks like they buy the cheapest stuff they can find. I have purchased Underwood many times and the ammo always seemed polished and perfect with the Underwood headstamp.
I've never tried any of Buffalo Bore's products before, but I might get a box of their .460 Magnum Hard Casts with my next gun purchase for my 45th birthday (been looking at a Marlin 1895 lever-action in .45-70, or a Colt Anaconda/Ruger Super Redhawk in .44 Magnum).
But Underwood's products are always top notch, and have purchased products from them many times (either from them directly, or from Outdoor Limited's site, which sells their products at slightly cheaper prices)
Very impressive results on all 3 rounds, I'd be happy running anyone of those rounds, if I had a 10mm bullet slinger. 🇺🇸👊
Ihave glock20,fn510,hipooint carbine. I use h110. At 1350fps with honanday 180gr. Xtp. They shoot sweet.
So, absolutely love the videos. You do amazing. What is our latest general consensus on edc for 10mm?????
All I mess with at all other than collectables is 10mm and ive got 2 g40s one with a 7in kkm barrel and a g20 and g29 and several other 10mms and I like them not complaining about them but I'm telling you get you a delta elite and you'll put them glocks back in the safe it just shoots amazing and stock it out shoots my built g40 bad
I have some Defender Ammo, a veteran owned ammo company, ammunition on order to try out. Trying 380APC, 9mm, 40cal and 10mm to see how it runs. The reviews I have seen on this ammo looks promising. If you get a chance, I would love to see what you make of it. Thanks for the video and keep shooting 😊.
Thanks for the video, I have Rock Island 1911 in 10mm. Now I need to fine some of these rounds. Thanks again.
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Good stuff ! I'll have to check the muddy river holsters. I like the UW in 40 but may check the grizzly too and in 357mag.
Great review! I don't carry my G20... and I would probably carry my handloads but it's good to know that XTP is a good choice. Thanks!
Left a comment on the grizzly 10mm video about you doing a top 3 or top 5 for the 10mil. Glad you decided to do it! Thanks boss
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@@ToolsandTargets Another interesting video idea I have is doing a EDC 9mm vs .40 vs .45 vs .357 sig vs 10mm. You could even throw in a 30 super carry if you want but I honestly think 30 super carry is junk. You might have to use a couple of different blocks of jelly but I think it would be a good comparison video and probably stir up a lot of chatter in the comments from the various caliber fan boys! Heck even do it with the top EDC revolver cartridges too! Take it easy tools.
Yes I remember you suggesting that !!!🎯🎯🎯
Glad to see a top-tier 10mm head-to-head test Brian
I have several Muddy River holsters!
Love em
Thanks Tools, Another great video. I wonder how these would perform out of a PCC?
The Alien Gear Shape Shift holsters are similar. Fully enclosed hybrid holsters with adjustable retention. Might be worth a look, I love em.
That 155 Underwood is my 'in the grip' load. Absolutely no nonsense round. I picked up a few cases of it along with a few boxes of their hardcast.
Never tried the other two. Or Muddy River holsters. So, I figure this video probably just set me back about $500. Thanks 😂
Oh, I swear I think the 155 IS a Nosler bull it. Lemme check the box. Nope. You're right. Their 150gr 10mm is a Nosler. So now I gotta order that to try, too.
You're killin me Smalls
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Underwood 115gr XDs for my EDC... but I'd feel more than confident carrying any one of those three. Thanx again Tools 💯🍻
I bought the Springfield Armory Ronin 1911 in 10mm last month. 5" barrel and I'm thinking for the price and performance the Underwood 180 XTP will be my carry round for social occasions. You were getting roughly 1300 fps with those, correct? The underwood 200-220 hardcast for woods carry here in north Idaho might be the ticket but I can get gas check hardcast bullets and handload for bear. I figured 1200 with either of those would be about right. I welcome your thoughts on those. Thanks for the testing. It did help me make some choices. I was originally all in on the HSTs but it seems like those aren't optimized for the 10mm. They seem to be good in the 45 ACP.
Wonder what the speed and the Muzzle energy would be out of a g40 mos six inch barrel
I’m new to the channel and I appreciate all the good advice. I’ve just stepped up from my Glock 26 9mm SF to a Glock 29 10mm SF. You mentioned that you would carry the buffalo bore 180 grain for two and four legged critters. Would that include grizzly bear?
I'm not an expert on Grizzly defense but I would not feel underpowered, from what I have seen, with the 180 Buffalo Bore. If I knew for fact that there was a very high likelihood of an encounter, I might consider going with their 200 grain hardcast but I have never tested that so I can't say that for sure.
Great video as always. Would love for you to test the Steinel 180g JHP. Box says 1350 fps but we know how that goes!
Imo some fragmentation is good. The wound channel always seems better. The Buffalo bore seems to like the G20 better as far as wound channel. Not impressed with a straight narrow wound channel.
The Grizzly looked good. Underwood would be excellent from G20 if we get 1500 FPS.
I gotta tell you, velocity is where it’s at for me. Seems like a 150ish grain north of 1500 FPS is the best.
Love my muddy river holster, soft water buffalo leather fits my glock 30 perfect. Hard to find a good holster for the 30.
They seem to jump on new gun holsters faster than anyone else too.😎👍
IN MY OPINION YOU HAVE THE BEST AMMO TESTING ON RUclips OR ANY PLACE IVE SEEN KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANKS.WHAT KEEPS ME FROM MOVING FROM 9MM TO 10MM IS AMMO AVAILABILITY.
Thank you sir.😎👊
Love your passion Tools!!!
Thank you for ALL you do for us.
Glock 20...Underwood, 155, 180 or 200 grainers best?
Thank you SIR👊🇺🇸
Excellent vid Tools. How can you choose just one star in the sky?? That there was a Ménage en trois. I have both The Buffalo Bore and the Underwood 155gr. Took the 155gr out to the indoor range last week w my XDM 3.8 and the guy next to me said, w a smile on his face, “Man that’s a hand cannon” I replyed “ Yes it is” I have noticed w all my Buffalo Bore 10mm loads that the recoil is much less.
Excellent ammo test video tools!!!😎✨as I am looking to aquire my first 10mm🤓😎. Been eyeballing the Xdm elite os 😎
That's a tuff call on the winner perfomance Buffalo Bore(pen. and weight retention, SD) Cost underwood. great test. I think I am going to have to add a G29 to the stable.
I would love if you wrote a book with all of your testing! I love you channel.
Great video TOOLS. I always turn to your testing when I have questions making an educated decision with carry rounds, because I know the results are honest to goodness hard facts and you test the ammo I’m wondering about, in the barrel lengths that give a full spectrum/well rounded scope, all to better my understanding of reality based expectations that are practical and applicable to the users’ needs. Keep up the good work and you now got me looking into getting a new tool in 10 mill. Thank you sir! 🌵
Accuracy and feed reliability is another consideration. XTP bullets have an excellent feed profile. The 155gr Underwood will weigh less on your belt for carry, and features nickel plated brass cases. I'd personally go with the Underwood for CC in urban locations
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The difference is 1.25 ounces….you really want to stick with the claim that the lesser weight is meaningful??
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Their terminal performance were all very similar.
1.25oz less weight to carry around isn't a disadvantage. Man this is a tough crowd
Pretty cool of Muddy River to thank you like that. Sounds like some good people
For sure.😎👍
How about the grizzly 9mm?
Hey Tools! Can you test the 10mm Grizzly 200 gr. Hard cast load? I carry that in my Glock 20 here in Idaho in case of any unruly bear or if I catch a Cougar stalking me. I have done some tests and it seems to really perform well but would love to see it put to the jelly contraption !!
Keep up the awesome work, sir ! Love your videos
Finally!!! I was wondering how long you were gonna keep teasing before you would finally give us the ultimate showdown.
Great test, I ordered a few boxes of Underwood 357 and 10 mm after washing your videos and couldn't be happy with the purchase, well I would have been happier if it was in stock at the local store.
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In my research; I've found that 1200fps with a 180gr projectile is standard. Norma was simply known for loading everything a little spicy. I will admit however; I am quite curious what those old Norma load felt like at the wrist.
Good video as always . I love 10mm . For 2 legged goblins i lije the Underwood 165 grainers
Grizzly is my go to for 10mm and .357. Would love to see this test done with the 357 as well.
That was really awesome to watch. Great performance from three in a row . Great job as always and great choices.
Love it that's all I've been shooting is my 10 mil been ordering a bunch of aac from that PSA link you put out but yes all the rounds are great I wanna see how the grizzly does out my fn
Tools. Please give your opinion. I own 2 Muddy River holsters.Both OWB. That’s all I carry..concealed. Don’t carrry IWB.I have one for my Canik TP9 Elite SC and for my XDM 10mm. Happy w both holsters. Spoke to Kevin on the phone one day because the retention was off on one holster. He had me ship it back. He returned it to me in perfect working order.. Didn’t charge me shipping for returning it or getting it back. The Cat is a good dude. NOW. How comfortable is his IWB Holster? I’m considering one for the Canik and want to support him more but your thoughts are important. Thank you
I absolutely love these IWB hybrid type holsters. I wear them right at about the 3 : 30 to 4 : 00 position every single day. I never take it off when I sit, get in the car, nothing. I think these are the most comfortable way to carry, period. If I had to find a negative it would be that you might have an issue if you wear tight pants. I like everything I wear loose so it doesn't effect me at all, but some folks it might.
Thank you Sir! @@ToolsandTargets
For my S&W 610-2 (4”) barrel, I believe either the BB 180 grain HP or the 200 grain Grizzly HP. If they over penetrate, oh well, two holes bleed better than one. Just sayin’.
I shoot underwood 200gr xtp for edc because I use underwood 200gr hardcast for my woods carry here in Montana great video
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Where did you get the plus 2 mag extension
Great video
Midway USA. Product #326836
😮💨 they all preformed pretty good! Great video once again. My weekend warrior tells me mix between the three 😅😬 now what do you think is the hottest practice ammo in 10mm (fmj)?
I like the extreme defender rounds underwood produces. If you have to stop a bear that extreme penetrator is an amazing round too , and I have no doubt it would do the job. Got several friends who have taken deer with them with very little tracking involved.
Great test! Glad to see you happy testing 10 mil 😊