Excellently made video! You know you've found a good RUclipsr when all relevant questions are answered and you've never felt the need to jump past any fluff. Thank you!
Grapevines are ultra-easy to root. I stuck about 10 or 12 cuttings into a 1 gal pot filled with hardwood mulch, buried the containers in the garden during the fall, and by May I had about a 95% success. You can easily tell which end is up since the nodes are usually pointing up. I grew about 125 for a customer.
Try rooting ‘America’ or the wild grape, ‘aestivalis’. These and others like them are extremely difficult to root from hardwood cuttings. If I ever get one to grow I’d definitely propagate using softwood cutting methods.
@@Skashoon ‘America’ or the wild grape, They are in the Muscadine family, you only have about a 1-2% rate using hardwood cutting They need to be propagated from softwood cuttings takes from mid-June until mid- August
@@LacyO86 I don't know for sure but I've got some in a pot in my office and they are now showing signs of life. I've positioned them so they get a small amount of indirect light but no direct sunlight.
Completely appreciative of the knowledge you pass along. I tried this with blueberries last year as my introduction and had a 50% success. Not to be deterred i had another go at it in Jan 2020. Buds are showing on 23 of 25. Yes !
You know? There appear to be just 2 excellent RUclips Creators, who show the Before & After of plant propagation. They are #MikeKincaid & #Jason w #FraserValley Rose🌹Farm. We who Subscribe, watch & trust you, realise it takes a heck of a lot more time, planning & editing doing it this way. And yes, we truly appreciate the effort. Thank you🙏 Jason.
This is absolutely the best video I have found on the process of grape propagation. Right to the point with excellent close ups, new subscriber, glad I found your channel
I want to try rooting all my grape trimmings. Thanks for mentioning the tree. I grew up with a huge horsechestnut tree on the front lawn. I’ve brought a seedling to my own farm, and went nuts when I found out they come in a dark pink “red” color.
tip: You can scratch bark with a utility knife held at right angles to the surface to take off the outer bark and expose the green cambium. Start at the dead end and work down, and you can find the live part quickly. Do you find that using a pair of razor blades held close together and removing a thread of bark on the bottom inch or so of the cutting helps get more roots?
I tried dipping the the node into rooting powder more than once, and the plant couldn't get any water thru the powder. This time I tried using a rooting hormone mixed with water, let's see how we do this time. Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
Interesting video. In that you show success by just sticking them in the ground as compared to applying bottom heat and the myriad varieties of soil substitute ( water, coco core ,peat moss, perlite , etc etc) so on and an endless concoction of combinations including pea gravel rice hulls on and on. Wish it was so easy. Maybe it is but I have tried the complicated way . Maybe this is the best way . Called in some circles as the " old italian man " technique
I’ve tried propagating different plants in soils and had better success with just water. I live in Southern California, so we have warm, strong sun and long dry season.
GREAT! Mine don't have roots yet but they have buds that are opening into leaves. Guess I have to wait a bit longer! Last year I rooted some Steuben grape cuttings bought off eBay and they already had roots by this time! Wonder if different grape varieties take different time to root as I treated them & the Concords the same! Thanks for the video. :)
Very interesting stuff! I have started lots of grapes from cuttings, it sure is the cheap way to go if you are starting or expanding a vineyard! I would only consider using grapes varieties that are hybrids of European and wild North American species as they do tend to have tolerance to the phylloxera root louse. Pure Vitis Vinifera, (European grapes) will sadly succumb to Phylloxera in a few years, they are normally grafted onto a North American rootstock so they have protection. There are lots of good hybrids out there but unfortunately all of the most famous wine grapes such as Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir, Chardonnay, Riesling and even Thompson Seedless are all European varieties that need to be grafted! Take care Klaus
Thank your for your work and videos on planting .Am trying to grow some hard wood grape cuttings I got around February march time .and I did the nodes and the angle cuts that you showed as well. I put some in soil +compost ,and some in water inside the house where it's much warmer. As it seems I keep checking them ,and I find that the ones in water ,the side buds are starting to open but no roots at all, but the ones outside in some soil are not died but no buds are biding.may I ask what do I do now do.esp the ones budding do u think they have a chance of rooting maybe couple more time,shall I leave them in the water?much appreciated
Jason, thank you for all your great videos. I usually have pretty good success rooting cuttings, but not so much when it comes to conifers. Do you have any tips for getting a higher percentage to root? A video on rooting conifers would be great!
Conifers take about a year to root. Just do them and put them back at a border - pretty sheltered but outside, and leave them for a year - it's what I do and yes works. Xx
By experience, I know that the top can get roots too like I used to bury the upperparts and after growing roots, I would separate them from the mother plant
i have some scuppnong bronze and black cuttings they have lots of leaves but i havent ckecked for roots yet about 3 months now this 2nd week in may of 21
When you pulled that up it looks like that soil is really nice and moist is that the way you keep it? how often should someone water cuttings you're growing in a pot? Thanks
I try to keep it moderate. What you see on the video is about a week after its last watering - I usually check them every 2 to 3 weeks, and allow to dry a little more then this before adding any.
l try to revive my grapes vine and give it a go. hope it like the sun baked hard clay tropical weather. 4 months wait. its cool dry for the next few weeks then dry hot...b4 rain season. thanks
I took cutting today. 24 of them. 2 to a pot. I plan to save 6 pots for myself and sell the other 6 after over wintering them. Is there anything I should do for them this winter? They are a mix of red and green table grapes from the last place I lived. I planted them about 12 years ago.
Hi dear. Thanks for what you have done for us. I am woundering if there is a difference between propagating hard wood cuttings in the summer and winter and how king do they take to be successful?
My pleasure. The cooler temperatures of winter help to keep the shoots dormant while the callus develops. It probably makes more sense to try semi-hardwood or softwood cuttings in the warmer season.
3:35 I see right there in your planting bin $228 worth of sticks there according to what I would have pay at my local plant store. Any ideas on where I can get Grape Vines for better price?
Hi, Jason. With harder/woodier cuttings I would imagine it would be better to shave off some of the woody stem on the outside to show the lighter, whiter/greener inside and *then* to dip the area into the rooting powder. I have been doing this with my cuttings, though I admit I am only doing my first grape cuttings in the upcoming weeks. Have you tried this method in the past?
Hi Sean. Yes, I've scored the base of cuttings in the past with mixed results. On some varieties of roses, it seemed to create some susceptibility to rot. For others it worked fine. I eventually stopped doing it (because it takes a little extra time, and when I'm doing a lot of cuttings, it really adds up) It's probably worth a try on grape cuttings, although they rooted fairly easily for me without.
Jayson i live in northern Arizona we get in to the low tens when would be a good time for me to try my hand at propagating Grape cuttings, now we are in the mid 80s going in to Sep. Thank you
so lets say we watched this after we have them submerged in wet soil for 2 weeks. Do you think they have a chance? I assumed they would need constant water
Thanks Eric. The roots filled a 1 gallon pot, they leafed out and put on some growth over the summer and fall. Now they're dormant again, and I expect I'll be planting them in the garden in spring. So overall, it's going to be around 16 months from cutting to planting.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm is it possible to skip planting in a 1 gallon pot and plant them right outside instead? Or do they need the year of growth in the pot to get firmly established? Thanks
I have tried rooting grapes from softwood cuttings a few times but they all failed. I read something that for grapes, the hardwood cuttings are easier. Don't know if that's true or not but I'm going to try that next. Thanks for the video.
My pleasure Steve. I found hardwood to be fairly easy, but I've never tried softwood either. I heard from another nursery operator (Muscadines and More) that he's been quite successful with softer cuttings, so maybe there's a way to succeed with that as well.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Just a quick follow up on this. In November, I took 7 hardwood cutting from my Hope seedless grape and put them into a 1 gallon pot in my basement (Where I'm overwintering some pepper plants) similar to what you presented in this video. I'm excited to report that at least 2 of the cuttings are starting to bud. Thanks again for the video.
Thank you for the great video. I live in zone 6 and have some grape vines I'd like to propagate, however, I'm worried about my timing. Can I successfully propagate from cuttings at the beginning of fall? Late September/early October. All our trees are still green with just a few starting to change color, we will probably get our first frost in a week...Any chance I can propagate now and should I do it outside, or in the house over winter? In a vase of water or just in the ground? Thanks for your help.
With any variety it is not everywhere ( in Europe prohibited) alowed to do that because of the blues. The rootstock has to be from certain American vines like: Vitis riparia, Vitis rupestris und Vitis berlandieri...
I'm currently attempting some hardwood and herbacious/softwood cuttings of grape rootstock 101-14. However I took the cuttings just at the begining of flowering which is probably the worst time of year.(2021 May 24) 1000ppm liquid auxin, hardwood soak for a minute, softwood just a dip. 2021 May 28, Hardwood cuttings in the 80f incubator box in moist bark and no sign of callusing; the softwood are in a perlite mix in modest light in a humidity dome, root-zone just under 80f tops about 70f, misting once per day, not wilted yet.
Update, May 31: After 7 days with moist bark in a plastic bag in my thermostatically controlled box at 80-82f and total darkness other than inspection. Most of the hardwood cuttings have callus. (Set mostly on their side with the top ends propped up 2-3 inches as auxin does interact with gravity to some degree.) Most shoots are not growing at all and none are over an inch. The strange looking thing is a few of them converted the lowest bud into robust starfish-like clusters of 8-12 roots about 1/2 inch long. Like the whole bud and remnant of the leaf petiole just became root tissue. Those buds were green and herbaceous and got dunked in the liquid auxin [~1500ppm]. I de-budded most of the others with a knife during prep, just kept a few for testing. I put all of the hardwood cuttings in a large pot of normal potting mix with some added fine bark and perlite for drainage and a dash of garden soil in the bottom layer (for a nutrient reserve and to ease later transition into the ground) watered, then covered with a thin white plastic bag and set in bright shade on the porch. Depth of bury is about half of cutting length, second bud from the tip right at or just a touch below the surface. UPDATE: after a week in the pot(temps around 65-70f), some leaves are developing so I started removing the plastic bag for a couple hours per day to avoid mildew and setting them in the open on overcast days for more light. About 2 weeks after potting up, removed bag completely, weather is mild, located pot for morning sun midday shade, water occasionally.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm V riperia cultivars and some rootstocks based on V. riperia are known to root poorly from hardwood, so softwood is the go to method. Since 101-14 has some riperia ancestry, it is May, and I just felt like experimenting I did both herbaceous/soft and hard. (No obvious softwood success yet.) I will try semi-hardwood later in the season.
Final update: 2021June 30 (5 weeks) 14 out of 19 hardwood cuttings are growing, 2 took about a month to leaf out. All are still in the same pot. 2 of 3 softwood cuttings developed roots but my conditions were poor and the tops died. None of the herbaceous cuttings had any success.
Yes, the recommended concentration of IBA (the active ingredient in most rooting hormone formulations) varies a lot between different plants and in their different stages - soft tips, semi-hardwood and hardwood. In roses for instance, I'd choose an IBA% respectively of 0.1%, 0.3% and 0.8% for the different ripeness of cuttings. I use StimRoot because it's readily available in Canada but Hormodin very similar.
Some grapevines are more difficult to root depending on their lineage. Are all of these cuttings from the same vine? It seems that vinifera root more easily than inter specific hybrids. Those containing aestivalis are very hard to root from hardwood cuttings. I also noticed that the ones that didn’t appear to root were nearest the left side of your rooting box. I’d try to find an explanation why.
Two different cultivated varieties - but I don't have the names handy. They all eventually rooted, but yes, the ones on the southward side of the bin were way ahead. Black bins, unheated greenhouse, solar gain, south side. I'm thinking it was soil temperature that made the difference in how quickly they rooted.
i (planted some scuppernong cuttings i pruned late fall ) they were about 2-3 ft long had 6 just dug a trench placed them in it water quite often did have much hope now just this week little tiny leaves are growing on one of them this has been 4-5 months so dont give up some time mother nature is slow i have the post and wire ready even dug holes for plants LOL
Hi, I bought some Venus grape cuttings from a garden center today. After I opened the wrapping I noticed that all of the roots were brown and not white. Do you think these cuttings will grow or is that a sign of dead roots in your opinion? I would not want to wait weeks just to find out that they will not continue rooting. Thanks for your time and video.
Hi Les. Brown can mean dormant - or it can mean dead. Giving the seller the benefit of the doubt to start, I'd assume dormant. If the tissue is mushy or foul smelling, that would indicate rot. If it's completely dried out, feels light and brittle, that's a bad sign too. I'd probably take a small knife and scrape the outer bark a few inches above the base. If the layer beneath is green or greenish white, and the cuttings are firm and not dried out, it's likely just in dormancy.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you Sir. I really appreciate your reply. I transplanted it into a 5 gallon container with Jungle Growth media. There was no foul smell and I am hoping for the best. This is my first time trying to grow a grape vine and I think it's the coolest thing ever. I have two other cuttings transplanted , (Thompson seedless and a Red Flame), in case something does not work out. Best Regards!
I’ve got some hardwood cutting on the way. Once I get them into soil for the first time, how long should I expect it to take for them to root and be ready to transfer to a pit? Can I just start them in their own pot to begin with? How to I know when they’re ready to plant in their final location?
The roots on mine took about 6 months (including the cold season). You can start them in a pot on their own if you want, or 2 to 3 in a pot in case some fail. They're ready to go into the landscape when they're rooted to the sides and bottom of a 6" nursery pot
No issues with phylloxera there? (Maybe the cold winters keep them at fairly low levels?) Or do you only plan on growing them until they are affected? Or are they a species other than Vitis vinifera? Or maybe it is a bigger issue in my mind because I am in a US wine growing region where rootstocks are an essential part of propagating grapes. (Though I admit I do have one in my yard that is several years old and not on a rootstock and so far so good.)
Hi Dianne. The parent plants were on their own roots, and no problem so far - which doesn't mean it won't be a problem over their lifetime. BC has had some isolated problems with phylloxera. We're some distance from the main wine growing region (Okanagan) in BC, so hopefully we get lucky
I am in zone 9 Las Vegas; I have a house in Vegas that has matured or old grape vines, I want to bring the thickest branch, assuming it will produce sooner, please HELP!!! Thanks
Hi Jason. This is a rose question even though I'm posting it here. I had a rose that seemed to be dying so I cut off two of the stems for two cleft grafts. everything is against me but I wondered if you had any tips on success withgrafting
Hi Toby. I've only tried it a couple of times myself. It's important to match up the green layer just below the outer bark and secure with good contact to the same layer on the rootstock. Check out JSacadura's channel for what I think is some of the best info on grafting.
Just a question, i have enclosed space to grow, the side walls are fine netting, i was wondering if there will be any problem of pollination growing grapes inside the net house. Since you are growing inside hot house obviously they are fruiting Or you might be using another method of pollination as Bees inside the hot house
Hi Jason I’ve moved a 3 year old grape vine I couldn’t get a root ball ,just the root I’d move the lose soil into a 2 ft diameter hole filled with the same dirt it came out or cut it down to one 5 ft stem and been watering it every day .is there any thing else I can do I live in Vernon BC
I have my cuttings sitting in a soil bed similar to what you had them in but probably deeper soil. Are you saying to remove the ones that look healthiest and put them in a pot before transplanting them to a spot in the yard? How many should be in each pot if that’s the case?
Hi Liam - I went 1 per pot (1 gallon) and grew them through the rest of the season. They're ready to go into the garden as soon as it warms up. Total rooting time will be a little over a year.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm well it’s summer here and mine have been growing a while. Is there a way I can contact you and get your thoughts on a picture of them?
So when you pot them up or plant them out do you only bury the the roots or do you bury the stem all the way up to where they were buried while waiting for roots? I'm concerned about rotting the stem above the roots if too much of it is buried.
I buried up to the next node, but I didn't see any rot problems. In fact, I'm pretty sure they eventually rooted from the entire buried section of stem.
will it work if I take cuttings right after grapes harvesting at the end of october and root them indoors - in hopes for some indoor growth through the winter and larger seedlings in the spring? Would it work for this year's growth cuttings? thanks!
I'll take you up on your offer to answer my questions! Have you tried propagating with only two nodes? Does propagating from branches closer to the crown / main stem of a plant differ from propagating from the outer most branches of branches of branches? Is it possible to propagate from a grape leaf alone? Is it possible to do propagation if you cut up a bunch of grape branches into small pieces, sprinkle some of that powder on them, and bury them? Do propagation of a 20 year old plant start their life at 20 years of age? Thanks.
Hi Ryan - I'll do what I can. I've done 2 node cuttings on elderberry, but not grapes. I don't see any reason why it couldn't work. The further out (on outer branches) the wood, the less ripened it will be. That makes more a difference for semi-hardwood cuttings, where you're selecting for proper firmness. For cuttings taken in mid-winter like this, everything it fully ripened, so I didn't select for it. No, I don't think you can make cuttings from leaves alone. Next question: depends on what you mean by "small pieces". I think the minimum for success would be the two nodes. In a certain way, propagation from the current year's wood "resets" the age of the plant - that is, there's no tissue on the new plant older than 1 year. However, for plants that have a juvenility requirement (for fruiting, etc) it wouldn't reset the age in that regard.
I planted my first grape vines last year and the growth was pretty outstanding. But at late summer/beginning of autumn they began turning brownish and some were splotchy. I thought it might be fungus. By winter they obviously looked dead, but I left them just to see what happened in spring. I checked them today and I’m starting to see new buds and leaves. If they did have fungus, would they still be growing? Should I be worried or should I just dig them up and get rid of them? At this point I’m wondering if maybe it was just going dormant and as a new grower I was wrong. Any advice you have would be much appreciated.
Hard to say without a visual, but if they're shooting nicely I'd be excited to see how they do this year. Grapes can be susceptible to powdery mildew, but that looks more light a white coating. Splotchiness at the end of the season isn't unusual in many plants - and even if it were a foliar fungus, at the point I'd just remove any dropped of dangling leaves and do a general cleanup to reduce the risk of spores reinfecting.
Hi! Mine has roots but the woody part is looking moldy and it looks like there isnt any node activating :( i cut the top part, the center is still whitish. What can i do for nodes to activate?
I did a hard wood cutting but put them in water all winter. Froze solid! 😅 however today I notices my forgotten cuttings have large buds. No roots though. Will they still root do you think?
Hi, I was wondering if you might have some tips for my situation, although this video is already from some time ago. In aprox. 1-2 week I will receive a 'big' vine. more like a stem. I think aprox 1,5 m (5 ft) long and 2,5cm (1") thick. This vine will come from a greenhouse where it had to be trimmed. Because there it will be thrown away I would like to try and root this stem to keep it in a pot or plant in full ground in my greenhouse. Would you have some tips for the rooting, would you say this should be done on the same method as in your video or do some other things matter more? And do I keep some smaller vines with nodes on the stem when trimming ?
Assuming the stems you receive will be dormant, there's not much I'd do differently. You saw the size I used in the video, and if you can cut down some of the side-shoots to a couple of nodes, I'd stick them too. Dormant grape cuttings don't require too much attention. A well drained potting mix (or sand), protection from too much sun or drying out. If you have some low concentration rooting hormone (0.1% IBA or similar) you could dip the ends.
Is there any reason you couldn't root a rootstock water sprout from a grafted vine to propagate new rootstock clones? Seems like a silly question but not finding much info in that area.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm i got hard wood grape cuttings and put them in cups with wet potting mix( peat moss,perlte,and a bit of compost)and covered them with plastic indoors. Do you think they will do fine?
The hardwood cuttings of grapes are usually done when they're fully dormant, so you can definitely do a cool basement room or even outside in a sheltered spot.
Because the cutting was taken from the top growth, it'll be genetically the same as the scion rather than the root stock. Mainly, I think, grapes are grafted to give resistance to root diseases. The grapes themselves would be the same as the mother, but the resulting plant may not be as resistant to root disease.
I was given some grape cuttings and was told to soak them in water and wait until I see some roots. Then I could transfer them in pots. But after a week leaves started to come out. This is now the 3rd week and the leaves continue to grow yet I see no roots. Three times I have changed the water and dropped two drops of rooting hormones in the water. I wonder if I should just plant them in pots. I bought a soil-less medium for seeds, roots and cuttings. Is it okay to use this medium to make them develop roots?
Hi Juliet. It seems your cuttings have their own ideas! Because they're not dormant, they're looking to send new shoots, which is not such a great plan for a stem with no roots. I have just as much luck (or more) in soil vs. water, so if it were me, that's how I'd do it. I might also be tempted to nip off the bud where the leaves are emerging. It's a gamble, but it might buy you some time for rooting and (cross fingers) that a lower bud will express once the rooting is underway.
Hi...I’m in Vermont so we’re a long bit behind your climate...I got a bit behind the grapes I want to make some cuttings from this year... they’ve begun budding... am I too late or can I follow your 4 bud cutting guideline and carry on?
The difference between grafted grape vine from a nursery very expensive and a cutting from a friends vine? Because it's a long term plant (and a few grapes would be nice too) should I sell the car and get the nursery vine or take a chance on a cutting from a pal!?
Often the grafted grapes are on a rootstock developed to be resistant to damaging soil pests - this makes a lot of sense for vineyard owners. You could argue for the home gardener that it's less important, but if you're making a long-term planting of it, it might be worth the cost.
They're not quick. I think you'd be better off in potting soil or a well drained bed outdoors. In water, you get algae if you don't change it often enough - and that can be a chore over a longer period.
A million thanks for getting to the point and NO MUSIC. Thanks for the close ups too. Good job, I'm proud.
Excellently made video! You know you've found a good RUclipsr when all relevant questions are answered and you've never felt the need to jump past any fluff. Thank you!
Grapevines are ultra-easy to root. I stuck about 10 or 12 cuttings into a 1 gal pot filled with hardwood mulch, buried the containers in the garden during the fall, and by May I had about a 95% success. You can easily tell which end is up since the nodes are usually pointing up. I grew about 125 for a customer.
Thanks - I figured you might have some experience on cultivated grape varieties!
Try rooting ‘America’ or the wild grape, ‘aestivalis’. These and others like them are extremely difficult to root from hardwood cuttings. If I ever get one to grow I’d definitely propagate using softwood cutting methods.
@@Skashoon ‘America’ or the wild grape, They are in the Muscadine family, you only have about a 1-2% rate using hardwood cutting They need to be propagated from softwood cuttings takes from mid-June until mid- August
Do the cuttings need to stay out of direct sunlight while doing the propagation?
@@LacyO86 I don't know for sure but I've got some in a pot in my office and they are now showing signs of life. I've positioned them so they get a small amount of indirect light but no direct sunlight.
Love your educational videos, full,of education and no boring fluff - thank you,
Completely appreciative of the knowledge you pass along. I tried this with blueberries last year as my introduction and had a 50% success. Not to be deterred i had another go at it in Jan 2020. Buds are showing on 23 of 25. Yes !
Nicely done. I haven't yet tried blueberries, but nice to hear how they do from hardwood.
I never even thought to take cuttings from a grape vine. Thanks for the video!
You know? There appear to be just 2 excellent RUclips Creators, who show the Before & After of plant propagation. They are #MikeKincaid & #Jason w #FraserValley Rose🌹Farm. We who Subscribe, watch & trust you, realise it takes a heck of a lot more time, planning & editing doing it this way.
And yes, we truly appreciate the effort. Thank you🙏 Jason.
Thanks for the encouragement!
Mr.Jason very knowledgeable appreciate your tutorial and opinions expressed.
Good job
Fantastic. I just bought cuttings today. Can't get wait!
Great video as always! I love seeing the updates in the same video!
This is absolutely the best video I have found on the process of grape propagation. Right to the point with excellent close ups, new subscriber, glad I found your channel
Very useful as I study for my WSET 3 - thank you!
Great stuff. Thank you for the passing of your knowledge
Thanks for the video. Growing from cuttings is hard for me since this is my first year gardening
Thanks for sharing this information.
Thank you! Very informative.
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Thanks for concise information
I want to try rooting all my grape trimmings. Thanks for mentioning the tree. I grew up with a huge horsechestnut tree on the front lawn. I’ve brought a seedling to my own farm, and went nuts when I found out they come in a dark pink “red” color.
Thanks! That was nice and clear.
great propagation video👍
Thank you! I will go root my kyoho grape cuttings next!
tip: You can scratch bark with a utility knife held at right angles to the surface to take off the outer bark and expose the green cambium. Start at the dead end and work down, and you can find the live part quickly.
Do you find that using a pair of razor blades held close together and removing a thread of bark on the bottom inch or so of the cutting helps get more roots?
Thank you 😊
Excellent!
Nice rooting skills brother, thanks for sharing. I hope i can do that to start my grapes planting. Keep it up
Thanks so much
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I tried dipping the the node into rooting powder more than once, and the plant couldn't get any water thru the powder. This time I tried using a rooting hormone mixed with water, let's see how we do this time. Thank you for taking the time to make this video.
How did it go?
Interesting video. In that you show success by just sticking them in the ground as compared to applying bottom heat and the myriad varieties of soil substitute ( water, coco core ,peat moss, perlite , etc etc) so on and an endless concoction of combinations including pea gravel rice hulls on and on. Wish it was so easy. Maybe it is but I have tried the complicated way . Maybe this is the best way . Called in some circles as the " old italian man " technique
I’ve tried propagating different plants in soils and had better success with just water. I live in Southern California, so we have warm, strong sun and long dry season.
GREAT! Mine don't have roots yet but they have buds that are opening into leaves. Guess I have to wait a bit longer! Last year I rooted some Steuben grape cuttings bought off eBay and they already had roots by this time! Wonder if different grape varieties take different time to root as I treated them & the Concords the same! Thanks for the video. :)
Man you’re good!
Aww, thanks!
Great info! My question where do you keep your cutting on the process? Under shade? Under sun? Thank you again
Very interesting stuff! I have started lots of grapes from cuttings, it sure is the cheap way to go if you are starting or expanding a vineyard! I would only consider using grapes varieties that are hybrids of European and wild North American species as they do tend to have tolerance to the phylloxera root louse. Pure Vitis Vinifera, (European grapes) will sadly succumb to Phylloxera in a few years, they are normally grafted onto a North American rootstock so they have protection. There are lots of good hybrids out there but unfortunately all of the most famous wine grapes such as Cabernet Sauvignon, Pinot Noir, Chardonnay, Riesling and even Thompson Seedless are all European varieties that need to be grafted!
Take care
Klaus
Thanks so much for those growing details. Very helpful
Thank your for your work and videos on planting .Am trying to grow some hard wood grape cuttings I got around February march time .and I did the nodes and the angle cuts that you showed as well. I put some in soil +compost ,and some in water inside the house where it's much warmer. As it seems I keep checking them ,and I find that the ones in water ,the side buds are starting to open but no roots at all, but the ones outside in some soil are not died but no buds are biding.may I ask what do I do now do.esp the ones budding do u think they have a chance of rooting maybe couple more time,shall I leave them in the water?much appreciated
Great video. Nice follow up. I’m inspired ❤
Jason, thank you for all your great videos.
I usually have pretty good success rooting cuttings, but not so much when it comes to conifers. Do you have any tips for getting a higher percentage to root? A video on rooting conifers would be great!
Thanks Fred. I know a couple of guys who propagate conifers in large numbers - I'll pick their brains to see what I can learn.
Conifers take about a year to root. Just do them and put them back at a border - pretty sheltered but outside, and leave them for a year - it's what I do and yes works. Xx
Also I'd like to know if I can do it in March thanks
What was the temprature of the growing envirnoment? Nice job and thanx for sharing your great knowledge! 🌹
Between -10c and 5c (14f to 41f) for the winter - warming up through March and April
Amazing👍👍👍💪💪💪🙏🙏🙏
By experience, I know that the top can get roots too like I used to bury the upperparts and after growing roots, I would separate them from the mother plant
i have good luck growing from scuppernong seeds almost all sprouted but bad luck with cuttings had some to leaf then just die
Thanks for the video! Trying to re root my late grandfathers grape vine. How often did you wanted them?
dont let them dri out keep moist not real wet they need sun shine
i have some scuppnong bronze and black cuttings they have lots of leaves but i havent ckecked for roots yet about 3 months now this 2nd week in may of 21
I'll cross my fingers for you
When you pulled that up it looks like that soil is really nice and moist is that the way you keep it? how often should someone water cuttings you're growing in a pot? Thanks
I try to keep it moderate. What you see on the video is about a week after its last watering - I usually check them every 2 to 3 weeks, and allow to dry a little more then this before adding any.
l try to revive my grapes vine and give it a go. hope it like the sun baked hard clay tropical weather. 4 months wait.
its cool dry for the next few weeks then dry hot...b4 rain season. thanks
Very informative video. Thank you for sharing. When should I start rooting grape from cuttings if I don’t have a greenhouse? I am in zone 6A.
Any time over the winter - the greenhouse was just where my "mother" grape vines were living at the time, but it's not required.
Jason, would that be the same for blue berry bushes?
Or apple tree cuttings?
I took cutting today. 24 of them. 2 to a pot. I plan to save 6 pots for myself and sell the other 6 after over wintering them. Is there anything I should do for them this winter?
They are a mix of red and green table grapes from the last place I lived. I planted them about 12 years ago.
Hi dear. Thanks for what you have done for us. I am woundering if there is a difference between propagating hard wood cuttings in the summer and winter and how king do they take to be successful?
My pleasure. The cooler temperatures of winter help to keep the shoots dormant while the callus develops. It probably makes more sense to try semi-hardwood or softwood cuttings in the warmer season.
my grape cuttings have grape clusters coming up with the leaf, should I cut them off so they do not weaken the root formation?
Any suggestions for mulberry trees and pears? Thank you great video.
I haven't tried pears, but I've grown black mulberry quite quickly and easily from seed.
I would like to know do you choose a one year or two year old grapevine cutting to root?
3:35 I see right there in your planting bin $228 worth of sticks there according to what I would have pay at my local plant store. Any ideas on where I can get Grape Vines for better price?
Hi, Jason. With harder/woodier cuttings I would imagine it would be better to shave off some of the woody stem on the outside to show the lighter, whiter/greener inside and *then* to dip the area into the rooting powder. I have been doing this with my cuttings, though I admit I am only doing my first grape cuttings in the upcoming weeks. Have you tried this method in the past?
Hi Sean. Yes, I've scored the base of cuttings in the past with mixed results. On some varieties of roses, it seemed to create some susceptibility to rot. For others it worked fine. I eventually stopped doing it (because it takes a little extra time, and when I'm doing a lot of cuttings, it really adds up) It's probably worth a try on grape cuttings, although they rooted fairly easily for me without.
Jayson i live in northern Arizona we get in to the low tens when would be a good time for me to try my hand at propagating Grape cuttings, now we are in the mid 80s going in to Sep. Thank you
By the hardwood cutting method show, you'd wait until they're fully dormant - I don't know the details of your climate, but I'd guess November.
Excellent. January 1, 2021, planning to bury my planter outside here in South Carolina with top of cuttings exposed. Any suggestions?
Good to hear Frank. If you're still deciding location, might be nice to pick a part-shaded location so the growing media doesn't dry out too fast.
I have no clue I just cut them put them in a bucket and don't know if you're up or down and put the thick part down and thin side up
so lets say we watched this after we have them submerged in wet soil for 2 weeks. Do you think they have a chance? I assumed they would need constant water
Its the middle of june i need to trim my grapes is now a bad time to try to root some
Not a bad time, just a semi-hardwood stage rather than cool-season hardwood cuttings.
Could you do an update for how these grapes did over the summer and how they're looking now?
Thanks Eric. The roots filled a 1 gallon pot, they leafed out and put on some growth over the summer and fall. Now they're dormant again, and I expect I'll be planting them in the garden in spring. So overall, it's going to be around 16 months from cutting to planting.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm is it possible to skip planting in a 1 gallon pot and plant them right outside instead? Or do they need the year of growth in the pot to get firmly established? Thanks
What is you soil mixture for rooting your grape vines? Great video!
Hi Vickie, I used my regular potting soil: a mix of composted bark mulch and shredded cedar fiber.
I have tried rooting grapes from softwood cuttings a few times but they all failed. I read something that for grapes, the hardwood cuttings are easier. Don't know if that's true or not but I'm going to try that next. Thanks for the video.
My pleasure Steve. I found hardwood to be fairly easy, but I've never tried softwood either. I heard from another nursery operator (Muscadines and More) that he's been quite successful with softer cuttings, so maybe there's a way to succeed with that as well.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Just a quick follow up on this. In November, I took 7 hardwood cutting from my Hope seedless grape and put them into a 1 gallon pot in my basement (Where I'm overwintering some pepper plants) similar to what you presented in this video. I'm excited to report that at least 2 of the cuttings are starting to bud. Thanks again for the video.
Awesome video. Do the cuttings need to be outside while rooting or under a grow light? It's winter here for us and the nights still get pretty chilly.
For the hardwood method, cold is not usually a problem (within reason) - no, you don't need grow lights for this style of cutting. Just patience.
Thank you for the great video. I live in zone 6 and have some grape vines I'd like to propagate, however, I'm worried about my timing. Can I successfully propagate from cuttings at the beginning of fall? Late September/early October. All our trees are still green with just a few starting to change color, we will probably get our first frost in a week...Any chance I can propagate now and should I do it outside, or in the house over winter? In a vase of water or just in the ground? Thanks for your help.
Hi Angela - I'd try some now, and maybe even some a bit later. Mine went into the soil in mid-winter.
Fraser Valley Rose Farm thank you!
With any variety it is not everywhere ( in Europe prohibited) alowed to do that because of the blues. The rootstock has to be from certain American vines like: Vitis riparia, Vitis rupestris und Vitis berlandieri...
I'm currently attempting some hardwood and herbacious/softwood cuttings of grape rootstock 101-14. However I took the cuttings just at the begining of flowering which is probably the worst time of year.(2021 May 24) 1000ppm liquid auxin, hardwood soak for a minute, softwood just a dip.
2021 May 28, Hardwood cuttings in the 80f incubator box in moist bark and no sign of callusing; the softwood are in a perlite mix in modest light in a humidity dome, root-zone just under 80f tops about 70f, misting once per day, not wilted yet.
Thanks. I've heard some growers are successful with softwood - I hope it turns out for you
Update, May 31: After 7 days with moist bark in a plastic bag in my thermostatically controlled box at 80-82f and total darkness other than inspection. Most of the hardwood cuttings have callus. (Set mostly on their side with the top ends propped up 2-3 inches as auxin does interact with gravity to some degree.)
Most shoots are not growing at all and none are over an inch.
The strange looking thing is a few of them converted the lowest bud into robust starfish-like clusters of 8-12 roots about 1/2 inch long. Like the whole bud and remnant of the leaf petiole just became root tissue. Those buds were green and herbaceous and got dunked in the liquid auxin [~1500ppm]. I de-budded most of the others with a knife during prep, just kept a few for testing.
I put all of the hardwood cuttings in a large pot of normal potting mix with some added fine bark and perlite for drainage and a dash of garden soil in the bottom layer (for a nutrient reserve and to ease later transition into the ground) watered, then covered with a thin white plastic bag and set in bright shade on the porch. Depth of bury is about half of cutting length, second bud from the tip right at or just a touch below the surface.
UPDATE: after a week in the pot(temps around 65-70f), some leaves are developing so I started removing the plastic bag for a couple hours per day to avoid mildew and setting them in the open on overcast days for more light.
About 2 weeks after potting up, removed bag completely, weather is mild, located pot for morning sun midday shade, water occasionally.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm V riperia cultivars and some rootstocks based on V. riperia are known to root poorly from hardwood, so softwood is the go to method.
Since 101-14 has some riperia ancestry, it is May, and I just felt like experimenting I did both herbaceous/soft and hard. (No obvious softwood success yet.) I will try semi-hardwood later in the season.
Final update: 2021June 30 (5 weeks)
14 out of 19 hardwood cuttings are growing, 2 took about a month to leaf out. All are still in the same pot.
2 of 3 softwood cuttings developed roots but my conditions were poor and the tops died.
None of the herbaceous cuttings had any success.
Just getting started on the propagation game. Is there a certain rooting powder you use? Does it matter hardwoods vs otherwise? Thanks!
Yes, the recommended concentration of IBA (the active ingredient in most rooting hormone formulations) varies a lot between different plants and in their different stages - soft tips, semi-hardwood and hardwood. In roses for instance, I'd choose an IBA% respectively of 0.1%, 0.3% and 0.8% for the different ripeness of cuttings. I use StimRoot because it's readily available in Canada but Hormodin very similar.
Some grapevines are more difficult to root depending on their lineage. Are all of these cuttings from the same vine? It seems that vinifera root more easily than inter specific hybrids. Those containing aestivalis are very hard to root from hardwood cuttings. I also noticed that the ones that didn’t appear to root were nearest the left side of your rooting box. I’d try to find an explanation why.
Two different cultivated varieties - but I don't have the names handy. They all eventually rooted, but yes, the ones on the southward side of the bin were way ahead. Black bins, unheated greenhouse, solar gain, south side. I'm thinking it was soil temperature that made the difference in how quickly they rooted.
i (planted some scuppernong cuttings i pruned late fall ) they were about 2-3 ft long had 6 just dug a trench placed them in it water quite often did have much hope now just this week little tiny leaves are growing on one of them this has been 4-5 months so dont give up some time mother nature is slow i have the post and wire ready even dug holes for plants LOL
Thanks. I often need to remind myself to have patience (especially in propagation, but elsewhere in life too if I'm honest)
Hi, I bought some Venus grape cuttings from a garden center today. After I opened the wrapping I noticed that all of the roots were brown and not white. Do you think these cuttings will grow or is that a sign of dead roots in your opinion? I would not want to wait weeks just to find out that they will not continue rooting. Thanks for your time and video.
Hi Les. Brown can mean dormant - or it can mean dead. Giving the seller the benefit of the doubt to start, I'd assume dormant. If the tissue is mushy or foul smelling, that would indicate rot. If it's completely dried out, feels light and brittle, that's a bad sign too. I'd probably take a small knife and scrape the outer bark a few inches above the base. If the layer beneath is green or greenish white, and the cuttings are firm and not dried out, it's likely just in dormancy.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you Sir. I really appreciate your reply. I transplanted it into a 5 gallon container with Jungle Growth media. There was no foul smell and I am hoping for the best. This is my first time trying to grow a grape vine and I think it's the coolest thing ever. I have two other cuttings transplanted , (Thompson seedless and a Red Flame), in case something does not work out. Best Regards!
I’ve got some hardwood cutting on the way. Once I get them into soil for the first time, how long should I expect it to take for them to root and be ready to transfer to a pit? Can I just start them in their own pot to begin with? How to I know when they’re ready to plant in their final location?
The roots on mine took about 6 months (including the cold season). You can start them in a pot on their own if you want, or 2 to 3 in a pot in case some fail. They're ready to go into the landscape when they're rooted to the sides and bottom of a 6" nursery pot
No issues with phylloxera there? (Maybe the cold winters keep them at fairly low levels?) Or do you only plan on growing them until they are affected? Or are they a species other than Vitis vinifera? Or maybe it is a bigger issue in my mind because I am in a US wine growing region where rootstocks are an essential part of propagating grapes. (Though I admit I do have one in my yard that is several years old and not on a rootstock and so far so good.)
Hi Dianne. The parent plants were on their own roots, and no problem so far - which doesn't mean it won't be a problem over their lifetime. BC has had some isolated problems with phylloxera. We're some distance from the main wine growing region (Okanagan) in BC, so hopefully we get lucky
I am in zone 9 Las Vegas; I have a house in Vegas that has matured or old grape vines, I want to bring the thickest branch, assuming it will produce sooner, please HELP!!! Thanks
Hi Jason. This is a rose question even though I'm posting it here. I had a rose that seemed to be dying so I cut off two of the stems for two cleft grafts. everything is against me but I wondered if you had any tips on success withgrafting
Hi Toby. I've only tried it a couple of times myself. It's important to match up the green layer just below the outer bark and secure with good contact to the same layer on the rootstock. Check out JSacadura's channel for what I think is some of the best info on grafting.
Thanks.
Just a question, i have enclosed space to grow, the side walls are fine netting, i was wondering if there will be any problem of pollination growing grapes inside the net house. Since you are growing inside hot house obviously they are fruiting Or you might be using another method of pollination as Bees inside the hot house
The bees definitely make it into my greenhouses for pollination
Have you tried air layering to propagate? If so what are your thoughts?
I tried air layering my grapes this year, started in late May zone 5 and had 4/5 successfully root
Hi Jason I’ve moved a 3 year old grape vine I couldn’t get a root ball ,just the root I’d move the lose soil into a 2 ft diameter hole filled with the same dirt it came out or cut it down to one 5 ft stem and been watering it every day .is there any thing else I can do I live in Vernon BC
I think it's just patience now!
I have my cuttings sitting in a soil bed similar to what you had them in but probably deeper soil. Are you saying to remove the ones that look healthiest and put them in a pot before transplanting them to a spot in the yard? How many should be in each pot if that’s the case?
Hi Liam - I went 1 per pot (1 gallon) and grew them through the rest of the season. They're ready to go into the garden as soon as it warms up. Total rooting time will be a little over a year.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm well it’s summer here and mine have been growing a while. Is there a way I can contact you and get your thoughts on a picture of them?
So when you pot them up or plant them out do you only bury the the roots or do you bury the stem all the way up to where they were buried while waiting for roots? I'm concerned about rotting the stem above the roots if too much of it is buried.
I buried up to the next node, but I didn't see any rot problems. In fact, I'm pretty sure they eventually rooted from the entire buried section of stem.
will it work if I take cuttings right after grapes harvesting at the end of october and root them indoors - in hopes for some indoor growth through the winter and larger seedlings in the spring? Would it work for this year's growth cuttings? thanks!
Always fun to experiment. I've had the best luck with fully dormant cuttings myself.
I'll take you up on your offer to answer my questions! Have you tried propagating with only two nodes? Does propagating from branches closer to the crown / main stem of a plant differ from propagating from the outer most branches of branches of branches? Is it possible to propagate from a grape leaf alone? Is it possible to do propagation if you cut up a bunch of grape branches into small pieces, sprinkle some of that powder on them, and bury them? Do propagation of a 20 year old plant start their life at 20 years of age?
Thanks.
Hi Ryan - I'll do what I can. I've done 2 node cuttings on elderberry, but not grapes. I don't see any reason why it couldn't work. The further out (on outer branches) the wood, the less ripened it will be. That makes more a difference for semi-hardwood cuttings, where you're selecting for proper firmness. For cuttings taken in mid-winter like this, everything it fully ripened, so I didn't select for it. No, I don't think you can make cuttings from leaves alone. Next question: depends on what you mean by "small pieces". I think the minimum for success would be the two nodes. In a certain way, propagation from the current year's wood "resets" the age of the plant - that is, there's no tissue on the new plant older than 1 year. However, for plants that have a juvenility requirement (for fruiting, etc) it wouldn't reset the age in that regard.
I planted my first grape vines last year and the growth was pretty outstanding. But at late summer/beginning of autumn they began turning brownish and some were splotchy. I thought it might be fungus. By winter they obviously looked dead, but I left them just to see what happened in spring. I checked them today and I’m starting to see new buds and leaves. If they did have fungus, would they still be growing? Should I be worried or should I just dig them up and get rid of them? At this point I’m wondering if maybe it was just going dormant and as a new grower I was wrong. Any advice you have would be much appreciated.
Hard to say without a visual, but if they're shooting nicely I'd be excited to see how they do this year. Grapes can be susceptible to powdery mildew, but that looks more light a white coating. Splotchiness at the end of the season isn't unusual in many plants - and even if it were a foliar fungus, at the point I'd just remove any dropped of dangling leaves and do a general cleanup to reduce the risk of spores reinfecting.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm thanks so much!
Hi! Mine has roots but the woody part is looking moldy and it looks like there isnt any node activating :( i cut the top part, the center is still whitish. What can i do for nodes to activate?
Just time and temperature at this point. Higher air tems tend to encourage topgrowth.
I did a hard wood cutting but put them in water all winter. Froze solid! 😅 however today I notices my forgotten cuttings have large buds. No roots though. Will they still root do you think?
There's still a chance. I'd try to keep them cool, maybe part shaded to slow down the top growth
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm sweet. Thanks! It snowed last night so that should help stunt the growth 😅
Hi, I was wondering if you might have some tips for my situation, although this video is already from some time ago. In aprox. 1-2 week I will receive a 'big' vine. more like a stem. I think aprox 1,5 m (5 ft) long and 2,5cm (1") thick. This vine will come from a greenhouse where it had to be trimmed. Because there it will be thrown away I would like to try and root this stem to keep it in a pot or plant in full ground in my greenhouse. Would you have some tips for the rooting, would you say this should be done on the same method as in your video or do some other things matter more? And do I keep some smaller vines with nodes on the stem when trimming ?
Assuming the stems you receive will be dormant, there's not much I'd do differently. You saw the size I used in the video, and if you can cut down some of the side-shoots to a couple of nodes, I'd stick them too. Dormant grape cuttings don't require too much attention. A well drained potting mix (or sand), protection from too much sun or drying out. If you have some low concentration rooting hormone (0.1% IBA or similar) you could dip the ends.
Can I do this in June? Also what's in your soil? Amazing. Jealous here.
It's more a cool season method. I think I used something like ProMix for the potting soil
Is there any reason you couldn't root a rootstock water sprout from a grafted vine to propagate new rootstock clones? Seems like a silly question but not finding much info in that area.
I haven't done it with grapes, but I've definitely propagated cuttings from rose rootstock suckers, so I see no reason it wouldn't work.
I noticed you had frost when you planted the vine - did you bring them indoors over winter?
Hi Julie - no, these overwintered outdoors in an unheated greenhouse and just rooted naturally throigh winter and spring temperatures.
Thanks so much Fraser Valley Rose Farm
i just got a couple vine cutting (yes it middle summer and vines have small grapes growing...... Will they grow if i stick in water?????
I haven't had great luck with water propagation with roses. Potting soil seems easier for me.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm i got hard wood grape cuttings and put them in cups with wet potting mix( peat moss,perlte,and a bit of compost)and covered them with plastic indoors. Do you think they will do fine?
I tried to do this in water with a plum tree but had no success. Do you recommend to put it in the dirt instead of water?
Yes, I prefer a potting mix over water for propagation. I've done it both ways (on softer cuttings) and found rotting easier in the potting soil.
Where can I keep the cuttings if I don't have a greenhouse? Basement? Outside during winter?
The hardwood cuttings of grapes are usually done when they're fully dormant, so you can definitely do a cool basement room or even outside in a sheltered spot.
If a grapevine is grafted, when you make cuttings, are they considered still part of the grafted vine or do they revert to the original root stock?
Because the cutting was taken from the top growth, it'll be genetically the same as the scion rather than the root stock. Mainly, I think, grapes are grafted to give resistance to root diseases. The grapes themselves would be the same as the mother, but the resulting plant may not be as resistant to root disease.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thanks for clearing this up.
I was given some grape cuttings and was told to soak them in water and wait until I see some roots. Then I could transfer them in pots. But after a week leaves started to come out. This is now the 3rd week and the leaves continue to grow yet I see no roots. Three times I have changed the water and dropped two drops of rooting hormones in the water. I wonder if I should just plant them in pots. I bought a soil-less medium for seeds, roots and cuttings. Is it okay to use this medium to make them develop roots?
Hi Juliet. It seems your cuttings have their own ideas! Because they're not dormant, they're looking to send new shoots, which is not such a great plan for a stem with no roots. I have just as much luck (or more) in soil vs. water, so if it were me, that's how I'd do it. I might also be tempted to nip off the bud where the leaves are emerging. It's a gamble, but it might buy you some time for rooting and (cross fingers) that a lower bud will express once the rooting is underway.
Hi...I’m in Vermont so we’re a long bit behind your climate...I got a bit behind the grapes I want to make some cuttings from this year... they’ve begun budding... am I too late or can I follow your 4 bud cutting guideline and carry on?
It might be worth a try for fun, but I do find that if the buds get ahead of the rooting, the cutting generally fails.
Next year I guess...thanks, it’s very nice of you to take the time to reply...I really appreciate the depth of info you provide...peace
May i know what was the name of rooting powder did you use?
Stim root #3
Just a question. Were do you keep them in the winter? Are they staying outside?
I kept them sheltered in an unheated space.
When is the right time or Season to do this? Thanks
Hi Linda - for this hardwood technique it's in the winter, when the grape vines are dormant
The difference between grafted grape vine from a nursery very expensive and a cutting from a friends vine? Because it's a long term plant (and a few grapes would be nice too) should I sell the car and get the nursery vine or take a chance on a cutting from a pal!?
Often the grafted grapes are on a rootstock developed to be resistant to damaging soil pests - this makes a lot of sense for vineyard owners. You could argue for the home gardener that it's less important, but if you're making a long-term planting of it, it might be worth the cost.
Can you grow the HWC cuttings in water?
They're not quick. I think you'd be better off in potting soil or a well drained bed outdoors. In water, you get algae if you don't change it often enough - and that can be a chore over a longer period.