Whitetail Habitat Solutions I put some out when season closes to give them extra food but like John said the turkeys and squirrels set and wait on me to throw it out lolllllll. But they’ve got to eat to I reckon. A good fat squirrel is awful good fried.
Whitetail Habitat Solutions yes sir nothing like them. When deer season closes I’m goin to fill my freezer with some to. They’re delicious to fries good with the crunchies on them mmmmmmmmmmmmm. GOD BLESS you brother Amen.
@@randlerichardson5826 don't forget about squirrel stew in the crock pot, lol. I fed that to my favorite teacher in 10th grade Home Ec...Mr Dehann, the Chemistry teacher.
Baiting in the UP has changed significantly since the 70s and early 80s, it used to be hauling a bag of Apple's on your shoulders 1/2 to maybe a mile a week before season and then again when you went in to hunt the following weekend. Then in the 90s it became commercialized into whoever has the biggest bait pile wins. I've tried it all to try and stay competitive, I think I've shot one descent buck from a bait pile. Usually older Buck's skirt the edge's from 100 to 200 yard's out checking for does. Yes those young Buck's will walk right in and feed
I’ve been baiting pumpkins my whole hunting career. You are defiantly right about when they come out just before dark. I actually have success right before dark on almost every deer I’ve shot!
Do true B! Crazy but the bulk of my buck kills have been during the morning hours, no bait of course. Just a different type of hunting but to each his own, for sure! Cool to hear the feedback from you tho...
Jeff, you say with baiting to hunt it in the right wind, but most mature bucks will circle down wind to scent check for does and most of the time they’ll catch you. What’s a good way to prevent this?
I am getting a lot of deer in the last two weeks and some big bucks. But I am about 100 yards from a corn field inside the forest and I feed them a lot and it seems to be males at night girls during the day?
I have a feeder behind my house with corn also sometimes I will put out sweet horse feed, and other minerals. This is mainly for the deer and other animals benefit and for inventory. Seems like anymore I spend more time trying to take care of them than I do hunting.
I don't hunt off bait but I have a few areas I throw corn out almost every day. It keeps deer in the area and bigger bucks will come around during the rut because of the high doe activity. Plus we can watch them out the windows.
Baiting can work very good if done correctly the problem is most people hunt right on the bait. If you treat it like the deer do it is just a food source that the deer use like most food sources are used after dark if you set them so you can hunt close to their bedding area and catch them between their bed and the bait or in the rut set it up in areas where bucks have good areas to circle down wind of the baited area and hunt there most times about 100 yards down wind with lots of cover or high ground so older bucks feel safe with good cover or topography
I hunt about 40 acres of land that has cows on about 35 acres of it and the deer dont move where they used to since the cows have been introduced so the only way I have been able to see deer is to bait on the 5 acres or so that the cows arent on. Do you have any tips on how I could see more deer without having to use a cornpile? I know that going and dumping corn out every week isnt going to help me kill big mature deer but I just dont have an idea on how to draw the deer in without baiting.
I do happen to be a land owner. Very small piece but it counts. Anything that a person does to better their odds is technically baiting. Thanks for replying. I do enjoy your content.
It's called improving the habitat. Which in turn creates more wildlife. If you truly watch Jeff's videos for the content like you claimed, you would understand there's no comparison. Be creative 😊
Great point PA! It is comepletly fine during the hunting season and before, but during the winter deer are low in energy reserves and it is nearly impossible for them to digest. The corn becomes toxic, attacks their skelital system and they end up dying in April/May. Very poor food choice for folks trying to "save" deer during the Winter.
They sure will Dan, especially of they hold the impression that there is no hunting pressure at the bait pile. I find it can become the afternoon destination hotspot BEFORE they head to the wide open cut corn fields...basically the bottom of the funnel of daylight movement.
Thanks for the reply Jeff love the channel. So your saying If they hit the corn fields around 430 just as dark is setting. They would probably hit it around 4.
@@danpoli5149 thank you so much for the comment! And really I see that patter with a hidden bait pile or food plot...roughly an hour before dark. Then the ag field movement takes place after dark.
I don't bait anymore. I did always have mineral sites with camera's on em but now in Vernon Co. you can't do that anymore either. So this year guess I will try food plot's. Thanks Jeff for all you helpful video's.
I use corn to strategically place travel routes right before the rut. I take inventory and hunt scrapes close to bedding areas after using multiple cameras at many different angles. A mature buck with hit it when the wind is right and more times than not, that wind isn’t in my favor. It’s checkers
I put in a couple small food plots this year but it really didn't keep the does on my land like it has in previous years with carrots and corn. I just have to learn to be a better hunter I guess. Love your work, man. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Thanks a lot Jae! The plots will keep the does...especially when no one else is baiting. It takes all season volume and attraction though...meaning enough food, and enough diversity of food. Good luck again with the search for a Western MI public land hotspot!
Do you think baiting increases disease transmission like CWD? Here in AL we are CWD free, but Mississippi passed the ability to bait in 2015 and now they have confirmed cases of CWD right on the Mississippi/Alabama line. While you can put feeders out all year long in AL, I think a lot of hunters don't do it bc it has to be hidden and I fear that if that rule ever changes we will see a huge spike in the number of hunters that bait and, consequently, AL will no longer be CWD free.
Matt...I do not, and I think there is a HUGE over reaction to CWD in general. It is an unstoppable, natural force that will run its course no matter what. As someone who has hunted right next to it since 2002...and have managed many parcels within the CWD zones...it really is a non factor except the unfortunate negative response by man. I'm not saying that CWD isn't serious...but I am saying that game department officials need to just let it run its course, because their efforts have proven futile.
Off topic, but I recently moved down to the Lacrosse WI area for work and to help with Kicking Bear Ministries down here. Ive grown up hunting in Northern Minnesota with ag and flatter land, and while trying to hunt public land down here has been a pretty good learning curve. Would you be willing to do a more indepth, public land tips series? Thanks!
Anywhere by the Mississippi River that has public land will be good places to check out few people I know hunt out in that general area from Milwaukee hunt up by Rhinelander
I will bait alittle bit at times but only early season mineral sights and late season corn for a late season Doe. I never bait a spot trying to shoot a buck they are way to smart to come in during daylight. I see more deer just hunting less but hunting during the right times of year and with the right wind. I let em feel safe all year then pick off a Doe or 2 first week season opens then I stay out of the woods till October 26th every year. I move between one giant property and two small property's use a climber or a saddle and never sit the same tree twice unless you have to. I don't have alot of big bucks on my wall but I damn sure keep the freezer full..
I would spread the bait over a 15×15' area and leave it for a week or two then come in to hunt with more do the days worth put more that day and leave till the next weekend...
I love not baiting...... makes it more like..... Hunting! I was lucky enough to go on a hunt in south Texas.... that’s when I realized that baiting wasn’t for me. It’s kind of like picking a lobster out of a tank....You just don’t get the same satisfaction.... thanks for sharing your ethics and your knowledge.
The most effective way I have found to use bait is in line with what Jeff said. A low impact method. If I used bait in the past I would put enough bait to last 10-14 days. The deer would never pattern me and when I showed up to hunt when the conditions were right it was really effective on any age class of deer. Iv seen many older age class deer killed this way, but it has to be as low impact as possible.
I only put out feed during winter mostly minerals now but did so for inventory of deer after season and during heavy snow winters. Only couple big bucks really fed at it mostly does and young bucks and very little pressure. But lot of people bait so not really productive in my eyes I just like pictures on camera to see what herd is like
Why not set up a timer that scatters food only during the day? You can set it up and only fill it every month or two. It can be used like a mock scrape to set up a well-defined pattern of movement, except more attractive and exclusive to the daylight hours.
Dont hunt over bait. You position yourself between the beds and the food source. Hunting over the bait right next to the bed is disastrous. They will bed near the food source if close to the bed and you will spook them getting to your stand. You have to make them get up and come to you. Ambush them half way in between on the trail.
Baited for a long time before it was banned. Never seen or shot a 2 year old buck lots of little ones but nothing bigger. Never even seen one on camera from a corn pile. Does and small bucks only. Started planting food plots and mixing greens and grains ( clover, brassica, beans ) 3 plots one 2.5 acre field and bucks big small came out of everywhere to eat there. Not sure if just looks feels more natural as cropland to deer or what. My only 2 stands are on the field. My wife and dad both hunt the same 24 acres we got our spots and that's it. Even with our higher pressure we see deer and a lot of them. But when we all had corn piles was a whole different story of fat squirrels and few deer sightings.
There are times to bait and times not to bait! I like using bait early and set cameras up to track the deer in the area, but during the rut it's just my wits against his wits and may the best man win!!!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions yeah I know but some do anyways. I’m hunting a small knob between two fields that has plenty of white oak acorns this year. The same place I killed the doe with my xbow and the big 6 that would’ve been a 8 but one side of his rack was broken off fighting. I’m wanting to see the one that broke it. Maybe he will come through in the morn. Temp in the morn 17 degrees The should be on their feet. Good luck and GOD BLESS you brother Amen.
For sure! Not necessarily in October or November, but definitely during the Winter if they haven't already been feeding on corn. I actually have a video coming out very soon about that...good point!
I know people that bait and most of them only see young doe's and if a buck comes in to their bait it's after dark I choose not to bait if others want to bait that's their choice I like the idea of out smarting the deer I'm hunting 1 on 1 but I have never shot a buck have came close and after reading your book I'm definitely alot closer and see things that help understand how when and why they use different areas for
That is so true Rob...I am in the same boat. How folks hunt, to each their own. But there so many great tactics that can be employed to deliver I higher degree if success, in my opinion. Thanks for the comments!
I have not even had a night time picture of deer yet. All daytime photos and definetly mature bucks in the taking photo shoots they didn’t even know it.. think you just got to hunt the bait pile smart
Your absolutely right I have bated a lot and what deer come in for their last meal, that's not traditional hunting , A guy told me if I want more buck present don't bait they know enough that the doe's that protect them will go out and feed while the bucks watch another concept I hunted this year and on my cam I had 2 bucks eating at my bait pike but not daytime hours always early in the morning 4to5am and I didn't even see any doe's either only during the darkness hours no deer meat in my freezer this year
James there is a great way to use bait but you are so right! I try to offer a huge amount of non baiting strategies on this channel...I hope that you like them!
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Yes I do I wasn't successful this year as last year So, Hunting on State land will be more challenging. I have always hunted state land before especially next to a hunt club where the bucks on State land like to fight with the bucks behind the guarded fence whereas seeing scrapes & rubs this year I didn't see any way where I was hunting in St. Helens, MI
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 If I owned My Own land I would be there now hunting it. But money has to do a lot with it and I have to do without right now but hopefully, I will get my opportunely one day I am retired and have a lot of time on my hands so I would rather hunt with a buddy that has the same mind skill i do
It's not the bucks you are trying to feed as they eat little during the rut. It's the does you want to draw in. The hookers for the deer. Used along with doe urine and bait several 100 yards from your position. Not right on top of it. Drag a scent trail past the feeder to a good spot for ambush. It's not the food hes after. I mostly bait over a camera too see what bucks are showing up so I dont spend too much time in wasted areas. I scout rubs, scrapes and beds first. Set up a feeder several hundred yards away from the beds and make them come to eat at a pinch point. Than drag doe urine scent out from my stand and watch the bucks put their head to the ground trailing the doe they think left it being doe urine comes from real estrous does they cant tell the difference. Baiting is just a tool for me but not the means. You still have to scout and plan your attack wisely from concealment and wind. Lot of strategy and planning if done right.
Was for 14 years...have hunted the UP nearly every season since the late 80s! Lived there from 98 to 2012. MI the first 42 years if my life ☺️ Hunted there opening day last season...
Oh nice, should I be worried about my hunting this year?! Normally I get giant bucks on my camera, but so far the biggest I got was a 7 and I’m worried for this hunting season, I just hope that some bruisers migrate through
I have noticed way more deer movement without baiting. They will travel and look for food rather than walk from bedding to the bait pile! Great videos.
I do throw a few apples out, I’m after the meat, I’ll shoot small racks. Our group won’t shoot Does anymore. Our area has declined badly in the last 20years.
Michigan hunters love their bait! Should be interesting next year to see what happens with the bait ban. I used to tease my grandpa for using bait when we hunted in the UP, but he was old and he always claimed that during the Rut, the bait kept the does around, and therefore the bucks came in as well during daylight hours.
Hunted hard for 3 days, zero action, 4th day a Doe was in the back by the shed, my brother said holy cow grab a gun, I said we’re not shooting it. There were 8 of us, me and my two sons agreed not to shoot. I explained that if we work hard it will be enjoyable to knock one down. Simply shooting it in the backyard is B/S and there’s no reward, just would be lame. We all agreed not to shoot. After 10-15min it walked off into the woods. Next day 3klms away we shot two! Thank god.
Baiting is a lazy man's way of deer hunting. Sorry that's just the way it is. Like yourself Jeff I prefer to hunt deep in the swamp and wait for pressure to move the deer around...I hunted opener on state land in the thumb this year...guys I talk to said they didn't see hardly any deer...I saw 30+ deer and passed 5 bucks on the same ground....rub lines and scrapes should be a hunters primer and then analize sighting/travel information to adjust your stand locations....I've used this approach for years with great success. Good luck and have fun May The Magic of The Whitetail Forever Enrich Your Life 🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌
I would disagree, just to the point that I don't have the time or energy to devote to baiting. I know a lot of hunters who bait and lazy would be the opposite word I would use. In fact they work harder than most non baiters that I know...which is one if the reasons why I prefer not to bait...too much time spent and hard work accomplished, for lower chances on a mature bucks. Just not for me. It's a viable method to hunt, and I don't think most who bait are lazy by any means. If that was so...about 1/2 of MI hunters would be considered "lazy", which is just not the case. Appreciate the comments though Perry! We have now a 3rd generation of hunters in a lot of areas that have only been exposed to hunting by baiting, in some regions. Many of those hunters wouldn't know another way to hunt and if they enjoy hunting that way while still legal...more power to them. i am just happy they are hunting ☺️
I don't know, rock picking is a lot more work than hauling in a few thousand pounds of corn over a season, just my opinion. even though we do both, and walk far from roads.@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751
@@jackc.3079 ha, for sure...but dang I wouldn't want to bait like quite a few hunters I know. Just consistently over a 6 week period or more...a few times per week, carrying bait...they can have it ☺️ Rocks...I'd have the kids do that, lol
I don't have that privilege lol. I appreciate your point of view and not wanting to put down viewers who bait exclusively. Although I do feel you're giving the average Michigan gun deer hunter a lot of credit. I also think baiting takes a lot of the fun out of it, with manipulating travel patterns unnaturally, but to each their own. Also I suppose that food plots do this as well, but not to such a small area. Do you think with CWD in the UP now that baiting will be banned? It's scientifically the right thing to do but I realize a lot of what is legislated is up to public consensus, and license sales.@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751
I walk through the woods on my property quietly with doe piss on my shoe. Never used a blind, if I find a good spot or see a deer I sit at the base of a tree. I’ve hunted 3 seasons and shot 4 deer. Rifle hunting is cake, you don’t need any more advantage than the rifle gives you. Average shot I have taken is 50 yards, any hunter worth their salt should be able to do the same. Baiting at all is cheating in my opinion, find the food source, that’s natural bait.
Lol. I hear people tell me all the time how baiting is blasphemy....but every year all the feed stores, sporting good stores and grocery stores are all out of corn.
For sure...it's a way of life in some regions. I don't like baiting personally but have done it before and can't say I never will in the future. However what I dislike the most is when other hunters bash hunters for baiting. Can't stand that... Like you said, that bait disappears quickly, lol! Great observation Noel!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions every now and then brother I can get away from people. Sometimes it’s a good thang having somebody around to run deers over on me lolllllll. I’ll set and wait for everybody to get to wanting that biscuit and sausage to head out and take deer they’ve bumped my way. Good luck brother I’m goin in the morn. It’s goin to be round 17 in the morn but I’ll put on extra thermals. Good luck and GOD BLESS you and your family Amen.
I never said I was against baiters or those who bait. But I do know a LOT about baiting and can help folks who choose to do so, or not. You stopping watching doesn't matter to me one bit, BJ 😉 In other words, your loss not mine...thanks for letting me know tho 👍
I respect your honesty and I appreciate it. I was just saying it didn't make sense to watch a video about baiting from a guy that's against baiting. But I'm sure you do know what you're talkin about I don't doubt that one bit.
This video isn't about food plots vs bait piles vs ethical hunting or not...but since you went there. I have to laugh at these kind if comments...been reading them for 2 decades. There could be an exception...but I find comments like this come from someone who doesn't bait, can't or won't plant food plots...and has very little less experience if any, with either. To say that a food plot is the same as baiting is not true, in many ways. That's another video all together, but I encourage you to do a lot of reading and watching videos about food plotting...about baiting, and then I whole heartadly invite you to come back to the discussion. Huge differences, but again nothing to do with this video of course.
Buck's aren't interested in bait they're interested in sex, a little bait along the edge of your decimated food plot keeps the does coming. watch the edges about 150 yard's out that's where the Buck's are traveling.
I love bait pile hunters in the UP of MI...very low chance of shooting a good buck and it creates pockets of remote deer that feature a lot of daylight movement. Not necessarily a brain teaser to understand
While baiting does not teach many hunting skills, there are generations of hunters out there who have never been exposed to anything else. Not for lack if hunting skill...just that's what they have started with and all they know. Not a big deal...they aren't lazy (in fact most work harder than many non baiters), they don't lack skill...it's just what they enjoy and more power to them. It's all legal and we are all hunters...that's a good thing
bait is just a way for people who don't know how to hunt to kill big deer lol. I have got big buck yearly with 0 bait, ny sucks other then their common sense rules including it being illegal to bait
I love how people think they are real hunters when they bait deer when they are absolutely not. Baiting deer is like me throwing a few second cutting bails of hay to the cows in the huge pasture and shooting one of them. People who bait deer aren't real Hunter at all. They are losers who cheat. Do it the right way
It certainly isn't cheating or lazy...heck one reason I wouldn't do it is because it is so much work! Also, when you have entire regions and generations of hunters doing it to the tune of nearly 100%...it certainly is an established, ethical, legal and traditional practice. If we go down that road then inline muzzleloaders, treestand, scopes and trail cameras are all on the list. I hear you...it is very foreign to hunters in some states, but I don't like hearing opinions of cheaters or lazy...because that is hardly the case. And we are all hunters of course 😉 kind of like some of my PA fellow hunters in the cabin I used to hunt out of. A couple thought baiting bear was so terrible...but thought nothing about driving bear with 25 guys out of a thicket and letting loose when he came out of the backside. Different strokes for different folks...doesn't mean anything. Again though...the work it takes to properly bait a blind...they can have it! I don't have that kind of time...
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Im amazed at how much I've learned watching your videos they're very helpful and give David and I alot of hope for a great hunting season in 2020.
Thank you so much Lajaun...man you guys are awesome ☺️ I can't wait to hear about it all!
My experience in using deer corn is that it really fattens up the squirrels, turkeys and raccoons more than it draws in deer.
For sure...BUT, if not pressured at all and in a good spot, man...corn can be gold!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions I put some out when season closes to give them extra food but like John said the turkeys and squirrels set and wait on me to throw it out lolllllll. But they’ve got to eat to I reckon. A good fat squirrel is awful good fried.
@@randlerichardson5826 ha...fattened squirrel - yum yum!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions yes sir nothing like them. When deer season closes I’m goin to fill my freezer with some to. They’re delicious to fries good with the crunchies on them mmmmmmmmmmmmm. GOD BLESS you brother Amen.
@@randlerichardson5826 don't forget about squirrel stew in the crock pot, lol. I fed that to my favorite teacher in 10th grade Home Ec...Mr Dehann, the Chemistry teacher.
Baiting in the UP has changed significantly since the 70s and early 80s, it used to be hauling a bag of Apple's on your shoulders 1/2 to maybe a mile a week before season and then again when you went in to hunt the following weekend. Then in the 90s it became commercialized into whoever has the biggest bait pile wins. I've tried it all to try and stay competitive, I think I've shot one descent buck from a bait pile. Usually older Buck's skirt the edge's from 100 to 200 yard's out checking for does. Yes those young Buck's will walk right in and feed
Thank You for promoting supplemental feeding and responsible Whitetail Management .
Not really promoting supplemental feeding in this video 😉 Just how to bait.
Well then disregard my complement & comment .
I’ve been baiting pumpkins my whole hunting career. You are defiantly right about when they come out just before dark. I actually have success right before dark on almost every deer I’ve shot!
Do true B! Crazy but the bulk of my buck kills have been during the morning hours, no bait of course. Just a different type of hunting but to each his own, for sure! Cool to hear the feedback from you tho...
would you consider "planting a small apple orchard", as baiting the bucks? just wondered if mature bucks treat that the same as a corn pile.
Jeff, you say with baiting to hunt it in the right wind, but most mature bucks will circle down wind to scent check for does and most of the time they’ll catch you. What’s a good way to prevent this?
I am getting a lot of deer in the last two weeks and some big bucks. But I am about 100 yards from a corn field inside the forest and I feed them a lot and it seems to be males at night girls during the day?
I have a feeder behind my house with corn also sometimes I will put out sweet horse feed, and other minerals. This is mainly for the deer and other animals benefit and for inventory. Seems like anymore I spend more time trying to take care of them than I do hunting.
That is a lot of fun too! Seems they don't mind coming in close to the house a lot either...enjoy!
I don't hunt off bait but I have a few areas I throw corn out almost every day. It keeps deer in the area and bigger bucks will come around during the rut because of the high doe activity. Plus we can watch them out the windows.
Baiting can work very good if done correctly the problem is most people hunt right on the bait. If you treat it like the deer do it is just a food source that the deer use like most food sources are used after dark if you set them so you can hunt close to their bedding area and catch them between their bed and the bait or in the rut set it up in areas where bucks have good areas to circle down wind of the baited area and hunt there most times about 100 yards down wind with lots of cover or high ground so older bucks feel safe with good cover or topography
Your exactly right brother. Great video as always. GOD BLESS.
Thank you Randle!
I hunt about 40 acres of land that has cows on about 35 acres of it and the deer dont move where they used to since the cows have been introduced so the only way I have been able to see deer is to bait on the 5 acres or so that the cows arent on. Do you have any tips on how I could see more deer without having to use a cornpile? I know that going and dumping corn out every week isnt going to help me kill big mature deer but I just dont have an idea on how to draw the deer in without baiting.
Food plots, licking branches, and watering holes are all a type of baiting.
Spoken like a true non-landowner 🤣 you have to come up with something smarter to say on this channel 👍
I do happen to be a land owner. Very small piece but it counts. Anything that a person does to better their odds is technically baiting. Thanks for replying. I do enjoy your content.
It's called improving the habitat. Which in turn creates more wildlife. If you truly watch Jeff's videos for the content like you claimed, you would understand there's no comparison. Be creative 😊
i though corn was bad for the deers digestive system. Hre in Pa the game commision does not reccommend corn in the winter?
Great point PA! It is comepletly fine during the hunting season and before, but during the winter deer are low in energy reserves and it is nearly impossible for them to digest. The corn becomes toxic, attacks their skelital system and they end up dying in April/May. Very poor food choice for folks trying to "save" deer during the Winter.
If you do want to feed deer during harsh winters, what is best then? Sugar beets?
If your baiting private land.. and the corn field just got cut.. will they still be attracted to bait..
They sure will Dan, especially of they hold the impression that there is no hunting pressure at the bait pile. I find it can become the afternoon destination hotspot BEFORE they head to the wide open cut corn fields...basically the bottom of the funnel of daylight movement.
Thanks for the reply Jeff love the channel. So your saying If they hit the corn fields around 430 just as dark is setting. They would probably hit it around 4.
@@danpoli5149 thank you so much for the comment! And really I see that patter with a hidden bait pile or food plot...roughly an hour before dark. Then the ag field movement takes place after dark.
I don't bait anymore. I did always have mineral sites with camera's on em but now in Vernon Co. you can't do that anymore either. So this year guess I will try food plot's. Thanks Jeff for all you helpful video's.
I use corn to strategically place travel routes right before the rut. I take inventory and hunt scrapes close to bedding areas after using multiple cameras at many different angles. A mature buck with hit it when the wind is right and more times than not, that wind isn’t in my favor. It’s checkers
Glock...that's a great way to put it! Great observation...
What about the master baiters?
I put in a couple small food plots this year but it really didn't keep the does on my land like it has in previous years with carrots and corn. I just have to learn to be a better hunter I guess. Love your work, man. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Thanks a lot Jae! The plots will keep the does...especially when no one else is baiting. It takes all season volume and attraction though...meaning enough food, and enough diversity of food. Good luck again with the search for a Western MI public land hotspot!
Do you think baiting increases disease transmission like CWD? Here in AL we are CWD free, but Mississippi passed the ability to bait in 2015 and now they have confirmed cases of CWD right on the Mississippi/Alabama line. While you can put feeders out all year long in AL, I think a lot of hunters don't do it bc it has to be hidden and I fear that if that rule ever changes we will see a huge spike in the number of hunters that bait and, consequently, AL will no longer be CWD free.
Matt...I do not, and I think there is a HUGE over reaction to CWD in general. It is an unstoppable, natural force that will run its course no matter what. As someone who has hunted right next to it since 2002...and have managed many parcels within the CWD zones...it really is a non factor except the unfortunate negative response by man.
I'm not saying that CWD isn't serious...but I am saying that game department officials need to just let it run its course, because their efforts have proven futile.
Off topic, but I recently moved down to the Lacrosse WI area for work and to help with Kicking Bear Ministries down here. Ive grown up hunting in Northern Minnesota with ag and flatter land, and while trying to hunt public land down here has been a pretty good learning curve. Would you be willing to do a more indepth, public land tips series? Thanks!
Anywhere by the Mississippi River that has public land will be good places to check out few people I know hunt out in that general area from Milwaukee hunt up by Rhinelander
I will bait alittle bit at times but only early season mineral sights and late season corn for a late season Doe. I never bait a spot trying to shoot a buck they are way to smart to come in during daylight. I see more deer just hunting less but hunting during the right times of year and with the right wind. I let em feel safe all year then pick off a Doe or 2 first week season opens then I stay out of the woods till October 26th every year. I move between one giant property and two small property's use a climber or a saddle and never sit the same tree twice unless you have to. I don't have alot of big bucks on my wall but I damn sure keep the freezer full..
Man, such great comment sand I can greatly appreciate them! Really good points Gregory...thanks for sharing!
I would spread the bait over a 15×15' area and leave it for a week or two then come in to hunt with more do the days worth put more that day and leave till the next weekend...
I love not baiting...... makes it more like..... Hunting! I was lucky enough to go on a hunt in south Texas.... that’s when I realized that baiting wasn’t for me. It’s kind of like picking a lobster out of a tank....You just don’t get the same satisfaction.... thanks for sharing your ethics and your knowledge.
Exactly, well put!
The most effective way I have found to use bait is in line with what Jeff said. A low impact method. If I used bait in the past I would put enough bait to last 10-14 days. The deer would never pattern me and when I showed up to hunt when the conditions were right it was really effective on any age class of deer. Iv seen many older age class deer killed this way, but it has to be as low impact as possible.
Great points Eric...appreciate you sharing experience, low impact always creates success in nearly every deer hunting strategy!
Thanks for sharing your information
I only put out feed during winter mostly minerals now but did so for inventory of deer after season and during heavy snow winters. Only couple big bucks really fed at it mostly does and young bucks and very little pressure. But lot of people bait so not really productive in my eyes I just like pictures on camera to see what herd is like
Why not set up a timer that scatters food only during the day? You can set it up and only fill it every month or two. It can be used like a mock scrape to set up a well-defined pattern of movement, except more attractive and exclusive to the daylight hours.
Dont hunt over bait. You position yourself between the beds and the food source. Hunting over the bait right next to the bed is disastrous. They will bed near the food source if close to the bed and you will spook them getting to your stand. You have to make them get up and come to you. Ambush them half way in between on the trail.
That's a great comment for any food source...thanks for sharing
Last season for baiting in Michigan
In the end that will be a good thing for hunter and herd...but boy, what a change off culture and tradition. Going to be a tough stop...
I hope so
Baited for a long time before it was banned. Never seen or shot a 2 year old buck lots of little ones but nothing bigger. Never even seen one on camera from a corn pile. Does and small bucks only. Started planting food plots and mixing greens and grains ( clover, brassica, beans ) 3 plots one 2.5 acre field and bucks big small came out of everywhere to eat there. Not sure if just looks feels more natural as cropland to deer or what. My only 2 stands are on the field. My wife and dad both hunt the same 24 acres we got our spots and that's it. Even with our higher pressure we see deer and a lot of them. But when we all had corn piles was a whole different story of fat squirrels and few deer sightings.
There are times to bait and times not to bait! I like using bait early and set cameras up to track the deer in the area, but during the rut it's just my wits against his wits and may the best man win!!!
Good points Jody!
Hello brother haven’t seen you in awhile. We can’t bait here in TN. But that’s ok
Chill out.
Probably a good thing 😉
Whitetail Habitat Solutions yeah I know but some do anyways. I’m hunting a small knob between two fields that has plenty of white oak acorns this year. The same place I killed the doe with my xbow and the big 6 that would’ve been a 8 but one side of his rack was broken off fighting. I’m wanting to see the one that broke it. Maybe he will come through in the morn. Temp in the morn 17 degrees The should be on their feet. Good luck and GOD BLESS you brother Amen.
@@randlerichardson5826 good luck Randle!
Whitetail Habitat Solutions thank you brother you to GOD BLESS.
I’ve bout quit putting doe in heat out or anything. Wish I could fly to my stand so I wouldn’t leave any possible scent on the ground.
They have people drones now. It’s possible
I’ve heard that baiting/feeding with corn in the winter months is very bad for a deers digestive system and could kill them.
For sure! Not necessarily in October or November, but definitely during the Winter if they haven't already been feeding on corn. I actually have a video coming out very soon about that...good point!
I know people that bait and most of them only see young doe's and if a buck comes in to their bait it's after dark I choose not to bait if others want to bait that's their choice I like the idea of out smarting the deer I'm hunting 1 on 1 but I have never shot a buck have came close and after reading your book I'm definitely alot closer and see things that help understand how when and why they use different areas for
That is so true Rob...I am in the same boat. How folks hunt, to each their own. But there so many great tactics that can be employed to deliver I higher degree if success, in my opinion. Thanks for the comments!
this guy is right he"s never baited he doesn't" know what he's talking about
I have not even had a night time picture of deer yet. All daytime photos and definetly mature bucks in the taking photo shoots they didn’t even know it.. think you just got to hunt the bait pile smart
@@Cloud4hundred20 100 % . I go at it like a trapper .
Thanks For The response. Subscribed!
Thank you Noel...I really appreciate it!
Pa finally allows baiting up to 5 pounds but its just not for me dont feel right I bait for pictures before the season thats it
Your absolutely right I have bated a lot and what deer come in for their last meal, that's not traditional hunting , A guy told me if I want more buck present don't bait they know enough that the doe's that protect them will go out and feed while the bucks watch another concept I hunted this year and on my cam I had 2 bucks eating at my bait pike but not daytime hours always early in the morning 4to5am and I didn't even see any doe's either only during the darkness hours no deer meat in my freezer this year
James there is a great way to use bait but you are so right! I try to offer a huge amount of non baiting strategies on this channel...I hope that you like them!
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 Yes I do I wasn't successful this year as last year So, Hunting on State land will be more challenging. I have always hunted state land before especially next to a hunt club where the bucks on State land like to fight with the bucks behind the guarded fence whereas seeing scrapes & rubs this year I didn't see any way where I was hunting in St. Helens, MI
@@sarb6p55 hope you can get out some more! I live the late season...bait or not, can be some exceptional hunting that most don't experience
@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751 If I owned My Own land I would be there now hunting it. But money has to do a lot with it and I have to do without right now but hopefully, I will get my opportunely one day I am retired and have a lot of time on my hands so I would rather hunt with a buddy that has the same mind skill i do
It's not the bucks you are trying to feed as they eat little during the rut. It's the does you want to draw in. The hookers for the deer. Used along with doe urine and bait several 100 yards from your position. Not right on top of it. Drag a scent trail past the feeder to a good spot for ambush. It's not the food hes after. I mostly bait over a camera too see what bucks are showing up so I dont spend too much time in wasted areas. I scout rubs, scrapes and beds first. Set up a feeder several hundred yards away from the beds and make them come to eat at a pinch point. Than drag doe urine scent out from my stand and watch the bucks put their head to the ground trailing the doe they think left it being doe urine comes from real estrous does they cant tell the difference. Baiting is just a tool for me but not the means. You still have to scout and plan your attack wisely from concealment and wind. Lot of strategy and planning if done right.
You’re in the up too?
Was for 14 years...have hunted the UP nearly every season since the late 80s! Lived there from 98 to 2012. MI the first 42 years if my life ☺️ Hunted there opening day last season...
Oh nice, should I be worried about my hunting this year?! Normally I get giant bucks on my camera, but so far the biggest I got was a 7 and I’m worried for this hunting season, I just hope that some bruisers migrate through
I always just fly into to my bait spot. Low impact
I have noticed way more deer movement without baiting. They will travel and look for food rather than walk from bedding to the bait pile! Great videos.
I do throw a few apples out, I’m after the meat, I’ll shoot small racks.
Our group won’t shoot Does anymore.
Our area has declined badly in the last 20years.
Michigan hunters love their bait!
Should be interesting next year to see what happens with the bait ban. I used to tease my grandpa for using bait when we hunted in the UP, but he was old and he always claimed that during the Rut, the bait kept the does around, and therefore the bucks came in as well during daylight hours.
Hunted hard for 3 days, zero action, 4th day a Doe was in the back by the shed, my brother said holy cow grab a gun, I said we’re not shooting it. There were 8 of us, me and my two sons agreed not to shoot. I explained that if we work hard it will be enjoyable to knock one down. Simply shooting it in the backyard is B/S and there’s no reward, just would be lame. We all agreed not to shoot. After 10-15min it walked off into the woods. Next day 3klms away we shot two! Thank god.
The reward would be the food you put on the table. You just wouldn't get the thrill of the hunt.
In other words ..he was a ...Master Baiter 😉
Baiting is a lazy man's way of deer hunting. Sorry that's just the way it is. Like yourself Jeff I prefer to hunt deep in the swamp and wait for pressure to move the deer around...I hunted opener on state land in the thumb this year...guys I talk to said they didn't see hardly any deer...I saw 30+ deer and passed 5 bucks on the same ground....rub lines and scrapes should be a hunters primer and then analize sighting/travel information to adjust your stand locations....I've used this approach for years with great success. Good luck and have fun
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I agree completely
I would disagree, just to the point that I don't have the time or energy to devote to baiting. I know a lot of hunters who bait and lazy would be the opposite word I would use. In fact they work harder than most non baiters that I know...which is one if the reasons why I prefer not to bait...too much time spent and hard work accomplished, for lower chances on a mature bucks. Just not for me.
It's a viable method to hunt, and I don't think most who bait are lazy by any means. If that was so...about 1/2 of MI hunters would be considered "lazy", which is just not the case.
Appreciate the comments though Perry! We have now a 3rd generation of hunters in a lot of areas that have only been exposed to hunting by baiting, in some regions. Many of those hunters wouldn't know another way to hunt and if they enjoy hunting that way while still legal...more power to them. i am just happy they are hunting ☺️
I don't know, rock picking is a lot more work than hauling in a few thousand pounds of corn over a season, just my opinion. even though we do both, and walk far from roads.@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751
@@jackc.3079 ha, for sure...but dang I wouldn't want to bait like quite a few hunters I know. Just consistently over a 6 week period or more...a few times per week, carrying bait...they can have it ☺️ Rocks...I'd have the kids do that, lol
I don't have that privilege lol. I appreciate your point of view and not wanting to put down viewers who bait exclusively. Although I do feel you're giving the average Michigan gun deer hunter a lot of credit. I also think baiting takes a lot of the fun out of it, with manipulating travel patterns unnaturally, but to each their own. Also I suppose that food plots do this as well, but not to such a small area. Do you think with CWD in the UP now that baiting will be banned? It's scientifically the right thing to do but I realize a lot of what is legislated is up to public consensus, and license sales.@@whitetailhabitatsolutions9751
Great video thanks brother GOD BLESS.
I walk through the woods on my property quietly with doe piss on my shoe. Never used a blind, if I find a good spot or see a deer I sit at the base of a tree. I’ve hunted 3 seasons and shot 4 deer. Rifle hunting is cake, you don’t need any more advantage than the rifle gives you. Average shot I have taken is 50 yards, any hunter worth their salt should be able to do the same. Baiting at all is cheating in my opinion, find the food source, that’s natural bait.
Agree, food plots and fences are b/s
Lol. I hear people tell me all the time how baiting is blasphemy....but every year all the feed stores, sporting good stores and grocery stores are all out of corn.
For sure...it's a way of life in some regions. I don't like baiting personally but have done it before and can't say I never will in the future. However what I dislike the most is when other hunters bash hunters for baiting. Can't stand that...
Like you said, that bait disappears quickly, lol! Great observation Noel!
I don’t thank we can get away from people. I’ve went miles back in a place and still see people or where they’ve been.
Great point t Randle! I feel very fortunate that I can find locations on public land to get away from people...
Whitetail Habitat Solutions every now and then brother I can get away from people. Sometimes it’s a good thang having somebody around to run deers over on me lolllllll. I’ll set and wait for everybody to get to wanting that biscuit and sausage to head out and take deer they’ve bumped my way. Good luck brother I’m goin in the morn. It’s goin to be round 17 in the morn but I’ll put on extra thermals. Good luck and GOD BLESS you and your family Amen.
Why are you making a video about bathing if you're against it just makes no sense I did not even watch but a minute of this video
I never said I was against baiters or those who bait. But I do know a LOT about baiting and can help folks who choose to do so, or not. You stopping watching doesn't matter to me one bit, BJ 😉 In other words, your loss not mine...thanks for letting me know tho 👍
I respect your honesty and I appreciate it. I was just saying it didn't make sense to watch a video about baiting from a guy that's against baiting. But I'm sure you do know what you're talkin about I don't doubt that one bit.
Mike from Michigan I do not beat I just go jump in the brush sit on a deer Trail blend in that’s a better way you can catch them
Huh
Whitetail Habitat Solutions you got to play the game don’t hunt the same spot
@@countryboykokas583 He uses bait, he's not in it for skill or sport.
How does he know he’s hunting in the middle of all the other ones baiting? All I know is all you baiters are f..king it up for other hunters.
No hunting a bait pile in NY... go for their food... 🦌
So many states do not allowing...I believe a very dying hunting method. I wonder if any state will allow it 10 years from now...
What's a food plot baiting so not different just shouldn't be able to attract deer with a food source that's not hunting in my opinion .
This video isn't about food plots vs bait piles vs ethical hunting or not...but since you went there. I have to laugh at these kind if comments...been reading them for 2 decades. There could be an exception...but I find comments like this come from someone who doesn't bait, can't or won't plant food plots...and has very little less experience if any, with either. To say that a food plot is the same as baiting is not true, in many ways. That's another video all together, but I encourage you to do a lot of reading and watching videos about food plotting...about baiting, and then I whole heartadly invite you to come back to the discussion. Huge differences, but again nothing to do with this video of course.
I'm the guy using bait
OMG what a word salad. I have no idea what this guy even said about baiting.
There is at least a 3rd grade level requirement for understanding this video. We apologize 😂
Buck's aren't interested in bait they're interested in sex, a little bait along the edge of your decimated food plot keeps the does coming. watch the edges about 150 yard's out that's where the Buck's are traveling.
you dont see anything wrong with baiting yet you like to be surrounded by bait piles. dont understand
I love bait pile hunters in the UP of MI...very low chance of shooting a good buck and it creates pockets of remote deer that feature a lot of daylight movement. Not necessarily a brain teaser to understand
You must not have any hunting skills if you have to use bait.
While baiting does not teach many hunting skills, there are generations of hunters out there who have never been exposed to anything else. Not for lack if hunting skill...just that's what they have started with and all they know. Not a big deal...they aren't lazy (in fact most work harder than many non baiters), they don't lack skill...it's just what they enjoy and more power to them. It's all legal and we are all hunters...that's a good thing
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bait is just a way for people who don't know how to hunt to kill big deer lol. I have got big buck yearly with 0 bait, ny sucks other then their common sense rules including it being illegal to bait
you love bait pile hunters? it is not hunting, it is killing.
It is legal and they are hunters...so give it a rest 👍 A true hunter wouldn't divide hunters....
i am a true hunter. i believe rifles and bows are plenty of advantage
This guy talks in circles. He is speaking as he thinks creates more confusion than clarification
I love how people think they are real hunters when they bait deer when they are absolutely not. Baiting deer is like me throwing a few second cutting bails of hay to the cows in the huge pasture and shooting one of them. People who bait deer aren't real Hunter at all. They are losers who cheat. Do it the right way
kind of like using bait when fishing. real fishermen jump in the water with a spear.
50 deer in 1 season period is illegal
I Can't bait in Massachusetts... Can't imagine I'd feel too accomplished if I shot a buck over bait. Its cheating and lazy IMO
It certainly isn't cheating or lazy...heck one reason I wouldn't do it is because it is so much work! Also, when you have entire regions and generations of hunters doing it to the tune of nearly 100%...it certainly is an established, ethical, legal and traditional practice. If we go down that road then inline muzzleloaders, treestand, scopes and trail cameras are all on the list. I hear you...it is very foreign to hunters in some states, but I don't like hearing opinions of cheaters or lazy...because that is hardly the case. And we are all hunters of course 😉 kind of like some of my PA fellow hunters in the cabin I used to hunt out of. A couple thought baiting bear was so terrible...but thought nothing about driving bear with 25 guys out of a thicket and letting loose when he came out of the backside. Different strokes for different folks...doesn't mean anything. Again though...the work it takes to properly bait a blind...they can have it! I don't have that kind of time...
I didn't think of it like that. Good point. I think I'm just jealous I can't bait lol
It's called hunting not baiting
If it's legal...it's hunting, for sure