I feel like I'd you have to enforce it, it's pointless. What makes the respect in judo so amazing is that you don't technically have to be respectful, yet 90% of judoka do anyway, that's what it's all about.
they shouldn't let these guys compete if they have a history of disrespect in a sport and culture centred around respect. Theres always someone better out there and if there isn't, those people don't act like this
You have a few poor sports on video, and that spoils the entire thing for you? The amount of practitioners and people exposed to Judo because it’s a sport is so much higher than it would have ever been. Not to mention in martial arts where you dont spar and complete, you might as well be learning dance moves.
I got DQ'd as an orange belt when my opponent poked me in the eye to try to break a pin. I got the osaekomi, then nearly bit off a finger because he kept trying to eye-poke me again and again during the hold down. He was eliminated from the tourney and I got DQ'd since the blood made it hard to claim it was an accident. After another promotion, I stopped retaliating in a way that would get me DQ'd, instead taking the win and laughing at opponents that cheated and still lost. Guess Judo taught me something. ;)
It’s against everything Judo / martial arts stands for, they, their coaches and people who first introduced or trained them as children should hang their heads in shame. Disrespectful behaviour like these ‘people’ are showing should result in the match being forfeited.
As someone else said, disrespectful conducts should be sanctioned with a DQ. But I want to be more extreme. Disrespectful conducts are done consciously and on purpose, for me they should be punished with a DQ and a permanent ban from any judo competition...there should be no place for this kind of behavior. But in all honesty the Basile part wasn't that disrespectful
While this type of conduct is not admirable in Judo, I do find it interesting how rare this conduct is or how rare DQs are in Judo and yet common in BJJ. A quick search will prove my point. This is one of the only Judo videos like this compared to countless comparable ones in BJJ.
Well to be completely honest, in comparison to BJJ, judo isn't as popular and might attract less bad eggs than BJJ. Considering the popularity it gained due to MMA competitions and the Gracies destroying almost every fighter under the sun with it, I think people go into it with the wrong idea and end up doing things they shouldn't be it for UFC aspirations or merely frustration. Slams, heel hooks, not respecting tap outs and just being downright assholes give a bad name to the sport.
João Ribeiro I agree with part of your reply. I believe that because of the UFC and Gracies sensationalizing BJJ in mainstream, it has attracted a lot of individuals with poor attitudes that perhaps took it up for all the wrong reasons. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve met some humble and tough BJJ practitioners that are good people and turned out to be great friends but I was always amazed how every school I visited had at least several bad eggs (you can tell who they are when you roll with them). The first statement you made about Judo not being as popular as BJJ is a complete fallacy. In fact the opposite is true, worldwide, Judo practitioners out number their BJJ counterparts many times over. Over 40,000,000 people practice Judo worldwide. www.ijf.org/news/show/judo-celebrates-the-planet I’ve yet to find a reputable BJJ reference (e.g. IBJJF) that even comes close to that. This makes the point I made in my original comment even more impressive.
@@ryanm1776 I stand corrected. I'm speaking from a perspective of an MMA practitioner, and an ex judoca. I hardly ever hear talk about judo in sport circles, only around the Olympics I hear about my countrywoman Telma Monteiro and that's about it.
João Ribeiro even from an MMA stand point I’m sure you have heard of Ronda Rousey or even Kayla Harrison both Olympic medal winners in Judo turned Mma fighters. Judo is very popular it’s just not ranted about and worshipped like Bjj
@@bruva207 maybe you dont see as many judoka compared to BJJ because you are from the US, wich is pretty much the only country where Judo is obscure in comparison to BJJ
And why the hell did he do that? If there was some animosity, maybe I could understand (would still be low behavior deserving of punishment, but at least I would know why), but Georgia and Mongolia? Two top judo nations with no beef.
@@maxime1768 I think they should DQ him just because if you can't even bother to shake hands with your opponent, you won't respect them on the mat either.
Celebrating before the end of the fight should be prohibited and should automatically lead to the restart of the match from 0-0. The end of the match is when one of the opponents exits the tatami after the final bow takes place. Personally I would say that celebration should not be allowed at all in martial arts.
I guess the disrespect of pushing down on your fallen opponent (on the throat, it seems) while clearly not doing it for a pin or anything else conductive to any scoring.
When your opponent is falling, keeping on pushing down to the ground doesn't permit to free the energy. As the fallen opponent you will feel twice the effect of the throwing. Not illegal, just not the very best according to Judo lines and etiquette.
Rikimaru00 completely wrong, why answer if you don't know what you're talking about? It doesn't hurt pushing down that's not what's wrong with the the clip. What's wrong is he steps over his opponent. This shows great disrespect to your opponent and he should have instead walked around.
The rules say, for gold medal, both will have silver in this case, like we see here. For bronze medal, both will have 5e place. In semi-final, both will have 5e place. In Quart-final or repechage, both will have 7e place. So, double hansoku-make = double losers
I dont remember what year it was the olympics where i've seen 2 judo guys totally out of shape. They were both on the ground tired unable to get up. People were laughting at them. I'm trying to find that fight
Мансур Исаев. Возможно, этот человек и герой России и Дагестана, но этот оскорбительный поступок - оскорбление дзюдо. Нам следует вернуться в прошлое и лишить этого человека медалей.
Khan-Magomedov was "famous" with such disrespectful behavior. Once he also gave head-butt to Giorgi Zantaraia and got disqualification because of that.
German girl only paid back at first instance , and in the second occasion she’s a victim. Same with Khan-magomedov - Zantaraya episode, it was Zantaraya’s fault.
I think the only disrespectful one was the guy who refused to shake hands at the end, everything else was just competition attitude, well with the exception of the face slap lol.
All these people crying, it's called competition. Grow up. These are men. It's not a tea party. Go take Akido or take up sewing if you want to be a grandma.
It’s men playing a contact sport, what do you expect? Respect is a plus but you can’t always expect it when people are fighting for dominance to show who’s the best. People just get in the moment as well and get heated.
Yeah, no. One of Judo’s main foundations is the principle of respect. If they can’t have respect for the person that gave them the opportunity to prove their dominance then they shouldn’t be competing.
I'm not against this at all. You want to make things interesting for the crowd, there's nothing better than adding a good villain/antihero to their narrative. Bowing and shaking hands might be the most noble attitude, but it gets boring when everybody's doing it *all the time* ... Dickishness is the spice of sports, really.
Judo Players have some real and serious insecurities issues constantly trying to palm themselves off as Real Fighters, its like a step above Aikido and a very small step at that lol
@@matthewadams2192 lmao, why would I diss Aikido as being the lowest of the low if I was an Aikidoka? Let me help you out, just like Aikido only works on compliant people the same is true of Judo. Take somebody who has never done Judo to a Judo Club and the club tells them they need to stop being stiff, they are too rigid and relax a little and then they can do their moves lol. Judo doesnt work in the real world, its a joke and Judoka know this and have serious insecurity issues they hide behind their aggression
@@mysty0 If that's true, then why are there so many takedowns in MMA? Telling the uke to relax and not be stiff is for theeir safety, not the tori's. I can throw all day long whether you're stiff or not. The tori just needs to make sure they actually use kuzushi.
@@Tatsuhiko94 lmao, throw whether stiff or not huh. Yea thats why the local club Yodan busted his back trying to throw my nephew haha. And you think any time two people fall over in MMA its Judo? Bahaha
@@mysty0 I suspect you've never done Judo... at least not in a half-competent club. If Judo wasn't effective Rhonda Rousey wouldn't have been so dominant for so long in the UFC. Her entire game revolved around Judo with o-goshi, harai-goshi, various leg reaps, and the arm-bar. To claim that these techniques only work on a complying opponent is just bizarre. On top of all that - many techniques in Judo are also used in BJJ and folk wrestling, just under a different name, and in fact Judo used to be really similar to catch wrestling too before the new IJF rules banned single and double leg takedowns (but that's only the sport aspect of Judo anyway). You don't seem like the type of person that listens to reason or logic, so I don't expect you to change your mind or even do a session of Judo before you bash it, I just hope that other people reading this will realise that your opinion comes from a place of absolute ignorance rather than fact.
Disrespectful conducts should disqualify the competitor immediately in the match and for a certain period after video checks by IJF.
This is depressing. I've been punched in the face at judo but it was never on purpose and the guy felt bad too.
Judo competition rules should adopt the Kendo competition rules of not outwardly showing any sign of victory over or disrespect to one's opponent.
I remembered doing this in bjj where i would celebrate a bit when i tapped someone out.Got pulled to the side by my coach and got a lecture
ono does this
Who is Ono??
@@Randall_Lim ono shohei, currently considered pond for pound greatest judoka
I feel like I'd you have to enforce it, it's pointless. What makes the respect in judo so amazing is that you don't technically have to be respectful, yet 90% of judoka do anyway, that's what it's all about.
they shouldn't let these guys compete if they have a history of disrespect in a sport and culture centred around respect. Theres always someone better out there and if there isn't, those people don't act like this
this is what happens when you turn a martial art into sport. Jigoro Kano never wanted this.
You have a few poor sports on video, and that spoils the entire thing for you? The amount of practitioners and people exposed to Judo because it’s a sport is so much higher than it would have ever been. Not to mention in martial arts where you dont spar and complete, you might as well be learning dance moves.
@@spectrealangritch people spar in martial arts but dont necessarily have to compete.
Judo is not a Martial arts!
@@vasco13100 sure buddy
@@spectrealangritch 3يثهلطو د ا لكوكوية 0
I got DQ'd as an orange belt when my opponent poked me in the eye to try to break a pin. I got the osaekomi, then nearly bit off a finger because he kept trying to eye-poke me again and again during the hold down. He was eliminated from the tourney and I got DQ'd since the blood made it hard to claim it was an accident. After another promotion, I stopped retaliating in a way that would get me DQ'd, instead taking the win and laughing at opponents that cheated and still lost. Guess Judo taught me something. ;)
Eye-poking is low low behavior. People can lose their vision due to that, for example, Yuki Nakai.
Olympics is killing judo...
As somebody who trained judo for all my life, cant agree more
That first armbar was disgusting like what is the point of purposely leaving a mid-long term injury on your opponent when it can be avoided easily?
Sensei Kreese would be so proud to these guys.
Cobra kai n
Kkkkkkkk
There is nothing wrong with screaming with excitement just as long as you don't direct your celebration at your opponents face you should be fine.
Definitely hansoku make for all, no mercy! Respect of the opponent is basic culture for a judoka. Judo does not need clowns
It’s against everything Judo / martial arts stands for, they, their coaches and people who first introduced or trained them as children should hang their heads in shame.
Disrespectful behaviour like these ‘people’ are showing should result in the match being forfeited.
Exactly my thoughts, well said.
As someone else said, disrespectful conducts should be sanctioned with a DQ. But I want to be more extreme. Disrespectful conducts are done consciously and on purpose, for me they should be punished with a DQ and a permanent ban from any judo competition...there should be no place for this kind of behavior. But in all honesty the Basile part wasn't that disrespectful
They know how to tackle, but they miss the essence of judo.
Exactly! They're thinking shallow 😢
How was fabio basille disrespectful
I have no idea, i guess they are mad at the scream? but i dont think thats disrespectful
While this type of conduct is not admirable in Judo, I do find it interesting how rare this conduct is or how rare DQs are in Judo and yet common in BJJ.
A quick search will prove my point. This is one of the only Judo videos like this compared to countless comparable ones in BJJ.
Well to be completely honest, in comparison to BJJ, judo isn't as popular and might attract less bad eggs than BJJ. Considering the popularity it gained due to MMA competitions and the Gracies destroying almost every fighter under the sun with it, I think people go into it with the wrong idea and end up doing things they shouldn't be it for UFC aspirations or merely frustration. Slams, heel hooks, not respecting tap outs and just being downright assholes give a bad name to the sport.
João Ribeiro I agree with part of your reply. I believe that because of the UFC and Gracies sensationalizing BJJ in mainstream, it has attracted a lot of individuals with poor attitudes that perhaps took it up for all the wrong reasons. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve met some humble and tough BJJ practitioners that are good people and turned out to be great friends but I was always amazed how every school I visited had at least several bad eggs (you can tell who they are when you roll with them).
The first statement you made about Judo not being as popular as BJJ is a complete fallacy. In fact the opposite is true, worldwide, Judo practitioners out number their BJJ counterparts many times over.
Over 40,000,000 people practice Judo worldwide. www.ijf.org/news/show/judo-celebrates-the-planet
I’ve yet to find a reputable BJJ reference (e.g. IBJJF) that even comes close to that.
This makes the point I made in my original comment even more impressive.
@@ryanm1776 I stand corrected. I'm speaking from a perspective of an MMA practitioner, and an ex judoca. I hardly ever hear talk about judo in sport circles, only around the Olympics I hear about my countrywoman Telma Monteiro and that's about it.
João Ribeiro even from an MMA stand point I’m sure you have heard of Ronda Rousey or even Kayla Harrison both Olympic medal winners in Judo turned Mma fighters. Judo is very popular it’s just not ranted about and worshipped like Bjj
@@bruva207 maybe you dont see as many judoka compared to BJJ because you are from the US, wich is pretty much the only country where Judo is obscure in comparison to BJJ
2:10 He won that combat, but still lost. So disrespectful.
I don’t see what he did. Please explain.
@@eliaskjrbo8142 he didn’t shake hands with his opponent which is very disrespectful
And why the hell did he do that? If there was some animosity, maybe I could understand (would still be low behavior deserving of punishment, but at least I would know why), but Georgia and Mongolia? Two top judo nations with no beef.
@@maxime1768 I think they should DQ him just because if you can't even bother to shake hands with your opponent, you won't respect them on the mat either.
What wrong did basile do to you, that was a wonderful ippon
The person who posted this is very smart and a good person
Any idea why these weren't disqualified on the spot and also why the referees weren't corrected for missing to disqualify?
Perhaps you can point out which of these contests you know for certain had no consequences for the athletes involved?
Celebrating before the end of the fight should be prohibited and should automatically lead to the restart of the match from 0-0. The end of the match is when one of the opponents exits the tatami after the final bow takes place. Personally I would say that celebration should not be allowed at all in martial arts.
I don't get what's wrong in this one 1:45
excessive celebration maybe?
I guess the disrespect of pushing down on your fallen opponent (on the throat, it seems) while clearly not doing it for a pin or anything else conductive to any scoring.
When your opponent is falling, keeping on pushing down to the ground doesn't permit to free the energy. As the fallen opponent you will feel twice the effect of the throwing. Not illegal, just not the very best according to Judo lines and etiquette.
Rikimaru00 completely wrong, why answer if you don't know what you're talking about? It doesn't hurt pushing down that's not what's wrong with the the clip. What's wrong is he steps over his opponent. This shows great disrespect to your opponent and he should have instead walked around.
@@epsilonalpha2430 This. Never walk over your opponent like that, it is so rude.
It's a combat sport, a few slaps ,words and some bad sportsmanship shouldn't get judo fans upset
Where’s the audio?
The rules say, for gold medal, both will have silver in this case, like we see here. For bronze medal, both will have 5e place. In semi-final, both will have 5e place. In Quart-final or repechage, both will have 7e place.
So, double hansoku-make = double losers
I dont remember what year it was the olympics where i've seen 2 judo guys totally out of shape. They were both on the ground tired unable to get up. People were laughting at them. I'm trying to find that fight
Did you found it? I really wanna see this. 😅
Unacceptable
Мансур Исаев. Возможно, этот человек и герой России и Дагестана, но этот оскорбительный поступок - оскорбление дзюдо. Нам следует вернуться в прошлое и лишить этого человека медалей.
Khan-Magomedov was "famous" with such disrespectful behavior. Once he also gave head-butt to Giorgi Zantaraia and got disqualification because of that.
Bruh Basile didn't do anything wrong
That is not the Judo I was taught
German girl only paid back at first instance , and in the second occasion she’s a victim. Same with Khan-magomedov - Zantaraya episode, it was Zantaraya’s fault.
that is no reason to slap back
If you do it all the time one day you'll find someone like you....
Maybe japan wrestler didnt slapped her on purpose
@@Fxckyall yes. looked like a collar grip gone bad. ive punched some people because of that, and gotten hit as well
What did basile do? He screamed, yes, but nothing disrespectfull in my opinion
In the field of Martial Arts you should be humble to your opponent regardless if you win or lose.
0:22 Did he break his arm?
There's a Russian Culture that leads to that sort of thing
People that do this stuff should go to MMA or boxing, they do not have a place in Judo.
I didn't understand what Magomedov did with Zantaraia
Again Russians as most unbehaved.
Dishonor should be disqualifying
Amiran Papinashvili is really good judoka maybe that's why Papinashvili never won at Olympics and World Championships
That's messed up, it will spread slowly if it's not stopped. It will kill the sport as we know it. Taking back to where it came from war like aspects.
this attitude should all be banned from all martial arts competition.
I wish Telma Monteiro would show up and teach these boys
Russians, surprise..
cool, first dude in white is MATA an awesome judoka that trained at same dojo i did
This guys has to disqualified for the rest of their life..... OSU
პაპინაშვილების გვარს რად არცხვენ ვინ გასწავლა მასეთი უწესობა? ასეთ უწესოებს როგორ უნდა შეემატო?
No 柔道
this is judo
Anti Judo
柔道選手が必ずしも柔道家とは限らない
Their sensei should punish them
I think the only disrespectful one was the guy who refused to shake hands at the end, everything else was just competition attitude, well with the exception of the face slap lol.
Strike First
Strike Hard
No Mercy
Oh wait sorry wrong video...
Maybe it’s because I come from wrestling but I don’t mind a little spice now and then
Hansoku-make
Judo for life
It's hard to see excelent athlets, but really bad judokas
Thats was a judokas? So harrasment
/Ballast👀
Little man in great position....in fortunately......jodu whiteout soil of Japanese jodu...
All these people crying, it's called competition. Grow up. These are men. It's not a tea party. Go take Akido or take up sewing if you want to be a grandma.
馬鹿につける薬もない
@@yasushikawamura2946 日本人が負けていたので、彼らは脚の攻撃を取り除いた。恥ずべき。
russians mostly...and their countries:) well, its probably that life already put them in place by that very fact:))
They are Azerbaijani actually not Russian
@Yuu 02 Russia is a Federation, some asians are included.
It Is terrible (not the video)
It’s men playing a contact sport, what do you expect? Respect is a plus but you can’t always expect it when people are fighting for dominance to show who’s the best. People just get in the moment as well and get heated.
Be Water Friend agreed
Yeah, no. One of Judo’s main foundations is the principle of respect. If they can’t have respect for the person that gave them the opportunity to prove their dominance then they shouldn’t be competing.
you are right. they are men, not children. so they should know how to behave.
So ashamed of the german woman
I'm not against this at all. You want to make things interesting for the crowd, there's nothing better than adding a good villain/antihero to their narrative. Bowing and shaking hands might be the most noble attitude, but it gets boring when everybody's doing it *all the time* ... Dickishness is the spice of sports, really.
Judo Players have some real and serious insecurities issues constantly trying to palm themselves off as Real Fighters, its like a step above Aikido and a very small step at that lol
Sounds like something an Aikido practitioner would say..... you can’t broad-brush every judoka as having issues just because of a 2+ minute video.
@@matthewadams2192 lmao, why would I diss Aikido as being the lowest of the low if I was an Aikidoka? Let me help you out, just like Aikido only works on compliant people the same is true of Judo. Take somebody who has never done Judo to a Judo Club and the club tells them they need to stop being stiff, they are too rigid and relax a little and then they can do their moves lol. Judo doesnt work in the real world, its a joke and Judoka know this and have serious insecurity issues they hide behind their aggression
@@mysty0 If that's true, then why are there so many takedowns in MMA? Telling the uke to relax and not be stiff is for theeir safety, not the tori's. I can throw all day long whether you're stiff or not. The tori just needs to make sure they actually use kuzushi.
@@Tatsuhiko94 lmao, throw whether stiff or not huh. Yea thats why the local club Yodan busted his back trying to throw my nephew haha. And you think any time two people fall over in MMA its Judo? Bahaha
@@mysty0 I suspect you've never done Judo... at least not in a half-competent club. If Judo wasn't effective Rhonda Rousey wouldn't have been so dominant for so long in the UFC. Her entire game revolved around Judo with o-goshi, harai-goshi, various leg reaps, and the arm-bar. To claim that these techniques only work on a complying opponent is just bizarre. On top of all that - many techniques in Judo are also used in BJJ and folk wrestling, just under a different name, and in fact Judo used to be really similar to catch wrestling too before the new IJF rules banned single and double leg takedowns (but that's only the sport aspect of Judo anyway). You don't seem like the type of person that listens to reason or logic, so I don't expect you to change your mind or even do a session of Judo before you bash it, I just hope that other people reading this will realise that your opinion comes from a place of absolute ignorance rather than fact.