The good old Gyor plant in Hungary are doing a great job of keeping you boys in work. How Audi can can wash their hands of this debacle tells us all we need to know about what a fantastic engineering and customer service company Audi is. No wonder Audi is at the bottom of the Which 2024 car brand reliability report. If I was unlucky enough to own one of these , it would be sent to you for immediate attention . Thanks gents.
@@rekordiperhaps all of the above. It could have been tuned to the moon. It could have had longer service intervals. Poor break-in(all out racing). and of course the design weaknesses
I started watching your channel when i had a B8.5 Audi S5 a few years ago and found it to be helpful & informative. 👍 I now have a 2018 RS5 which is running really well at the moment. The owner of the low mileage car was obviously aware of a tapping noise and chose to change the injector instead of sending it to yourselves. The engine would have given some signs before such a huge failure. 😢 For those questioning the low mileage , Audi std warranty is for 3 years or 60k depending on which 1 one comes 1st. So unless the owner paid for an extended warranty , audi have no obligation to fix it as it is 6 years old. If my engine starts making a ticking sound i will be straight on the phone to you guys for the next video.
I take it both these vehicles are 2018 ? Keep up the good work with these videos.. watching your videos is the main reason why I only buy new RS models and change them every 2 years!!
Guys your not boring. Its a good thing that the" little men" are keeping the big manufacturers on their toes and not taking their knowledge as gospel. Without people like you guys we would just have to accept what the manufacturers tell us regardless of whether they are right or wrong. Keep showing these engine failures. The message might slowly get through to make stuff better.
@@Jake_Smith7472 i liked audi as good looking car, high tech, but when i saw how they designed it-no maintenance friendly, bad design of important parts inside engine, no aftermarket parts, engine out for anything, i should be stupid and retarded in same time to own audi(i do almos everything on my chrysler 300c, 5.7, awd, stone age tech but easy to maintain and repair , and almost cheap, only imperfection is fuel (lpg)consumptiom: from 0-200km/h is 20 litres /100km, over 200km/h rises linearly, that is why i drive it floored
Doggo, Miroslav and broken RS4 B9 engines, it must be a new exciting engineering video from VAG technic 😁 No doubt involving two million pounds of parts from TPS who must be getting very rich from all the money they take from VAG Technic
Never ceases to amaze me how people can continue to drive something that's making noises like that and drive it until it stops! - still his wallet will be making a fluttering noise now with all the notes disappearing out of it!. Wonder why they used those roller bearings?, as they are not really suited to the kind of motion in a rocker - would have thought a bronze bush would have been better for service life, but probably down to friction reduction and cost of manufacture - not good to be failing at those kind of mileages though. Great work by the way - very interesting and informative channel.
The Porsche Cayenne uses the same 440 hp engine. 2020 year. I drive over 210K+ now and have no problem with it. It is possible that after a certain year this problem will be fixed.
The two 2017 s4 I was looking at and passed on (thanks to your videos) are now sold. I pray for those new owners….even a mechanical third party warranty has limits.
@@senco981 why did you choose to declare vag group best, it is not , these videos deny you, please, remind me what porsche has 3.0 tdi engine, v6, or bugatti
Wonder if its due to owners ragging them a bit more than a regular audi. People say about ev costs, like batteries but shows just how expensive a complicated ice engine failure can get, dissapointing for the owner facing them expenses at whats a really low mileage.
Think its about time Audi VW redesign their valve train operation, do away with rocker arms, run the cam lobes directley onto inverted buckets as volvo do.
Ah.. they still make them for the rs3. These are rs4's, they dropped the V8s in favor of 2.9 V6. The only V6 Audi made well was the 3.0t supercharged one. The 4.0t biturbo in the s7/s6 should have just been put into the Rs4 as well.
I m buying a new car in the summer, been looking at a BMW m340i but they are a little bit out of my price range so starting looking at a Audi b9 S4 but with the problems they are having probably better spending a bit more on the beemer!
When the mechanics see a trend in repairs, it isn’t a coincidence, there is a problem. 26k miles and not covered under warranty or did I miss something? Is this car flagged as a TD1? I just saw a new 4.0T that had a very similar issue. VAG is slipping these past few years. Think I’ll stick with my C7. Another great video and a teaching point: listen to your car, it’s talking to you all the time.
@@elliottrossdavis1977 I haven’t bought new in a long time but I always thought they carried some kind power train warranty external to the bumper to bumper.
I'm laughing my butt off at the people still denying this rocker arm issue :D It's always been the case in the VAG community - it's always a fight to convince people there are critical flaws....until it happens to them and they go and buy a Toyota. I'm loving the French inserts btw LOL
Also just to add Audi's ERWIN servicing and documentation portal specifies 0W30 oil. Could the 0W20 gnats piss be a contributing factor to the rocker arm failures? Could the intercooler leaks be thermal shock in cold weather when the charge coolant pump kicks in under full load/intake temp?
Well, for everyone complaining about B9 rocker arm failures, the real culprit for the failure on the 29k-mile engine was the cooler, which allowed coolant into the oil. The rocker arm bearings, as well as all other wetted bearing surfaces in the engine, are not going to tolerate operating with a coolant/oil mixture for very long. If it wasn't for the cooler leaking, I'd argue the rocker arm failure would not have occurred at that mileage interval.
This high mileage rocker arms looks like updated ones. And low mileage engine rocker arms looks like original, failing ones. Probably that coolant leakage was partly reason, why it went like domino, failing whole unit. Is there factory original oil in engine also? But do not look very promising for B9 2.9 engine in long run, if they fail without tuning already.
The dog is the only one that requires more attention than an Audi :P Also, is this all just poor material choices, or are these cars tuned? Maybe pops and bags do this, I dont know.
If you browse in Germany car sale websites you can find models with over 200 000 km on S4/s5/sq5 platforms. I doubt they did the rocker arms.. All these cars failure because of abusing and bad maintenances
How does Audi not warranty a severely damaged motor without only 28k on it. Did the customer not do maintenance on time. don’t do your oil changes at 10K regardless of what the spec says it’s capable of.
Guys, out of curiosity. A ballpark price for doing the replacement of the rockers as a preventive measure? Thank you. Great content, form and sense of humor. +sub
Audi makes a mint on spares because they engineer their cars to break. They’re great while they work. A good consumable resource. A poor investment if you want to keep a vehicle. Perhaps not so bad in Europe where there are many more aftermarket options.
I would assume, that owner ignored warnings from the car, and I guess from diagnostic they can see for how it lasted... So without required maintenance, you'll loose warranty. Just assuming :D
I have had RS4’s for my last 8 cars since 2007 , Audi never repair them if the engine requires removal as the costs are ridiculous in labour alone and their master techs are useless compared to these guys , franchised dealerships are the problem , I heard of one branch in northern England deliberately putting the wrong oil in them so they could avoid warranty claims and blame owners for using wrong oil ! I dodged a bullet with the real world emissions delay on the 2018 B9 when Audi stopped production and got a late 2019 sport edition with upgraded rocker luckily enough !
@@keithmason5584 Interesting to hear and shocking. I cant cant say I have a good Audi main dealer opinion already. My friend bought an approved used Q7, first warranty claim it flagged for a remap and warranty was void, proven to be on the car at approved sale, took it to the motor ombudsman and got nothing. They really can treat customers how they like and still sell the product without apparent fear of brand damage.
Because manufacturers make money from making cars like shit so they can sell you a new one. In many respects it's not their fault as they have to make money in modern society, but they could design their engines relatively well.
It's definitely not boring. I love to see people with the knowledge and skill to do the jobs you do, great channel 👍
This - Never change the concept, it's awesome!
+1 but with an advice to cut word unfortunately 😂
The good old Gyor plant in Hungary are doing a great job of keeping you boys in work. How Audi can can wash their hands of this debacle tells us all we need to know about what a fantastic engineering and customer service company Audi is. No wonder Audi is at the bottom of the Which 2024 car brand reliability report. If I was unlucky enough to own one of these , it would be sent to you for immediate attention . Thanks gents.
How could the car with 29k miles besides the lifter, valve, piston topic, have so much failures, holy crap, that blows my mind. Great Video.
because it is designed so
i think the owner,s used it without knowing something about engine. they only drive it like shit.
With those miles still, that is just a terrible engine and cooler design.
@@rekordiperhaps all of the above. It could have been tuned to the moon. It could have had longer service intervals. Poor break-in(all out racing). and of course the design weaknesses
Or the owner hear the noise and though F$ckit lets ride the shit out of it and Audi will replace it for free
Far from boring! Keep it up guys great content.
Far from boring videos, these are proper eye openers. And owning an RS car myself it is sort of worrying what can happen.
I started watching your channel when i had a B8.5 Audi S5 a few years ago and found it to be helpful & informative. 👍
I now have a 2018 RS5 which is running really well at the moment.
The owner of the low mileage car was obviously aware of a tapping noise and chose to change the injector instead of sending it to yourselves. The engine would have given some signs before such a huge failure. 😢
For those questioning the low mileage , Audi std warranty is for 3 years or 60k depending on which 1 one comes 1st.
So unless the owner paid for an extended warranty , audi have no obligation to fix it as it is 6 years old.
If my engine starts making a ticking sound i will be straight on the phone to you guys for the next video.
I take it both these vehicles are 2018 ? Keep up the good work with these videos.. watching your videos is the main reason why I only buy new RS models and change them every 2 years!!
This channel is under appreciated. Just keep doing the videos, really good content. Cheers!
Moral of the story. If coolent level is dropping or requires topup frequently. Park it up and get a fiat panda. While saving for the audi bill😂
Guys your not boring. Its a good thing that the" little men" are keeping the big manufacturers on their toes and not taking their knowledge as gospel. Without people like you guys we would just have to accept what the manufacturers tell us regardless of whether they are right or wrong. Keep showing these engine failures. The message might slowly get through to make stuff better.
Tomas, Miroslav, I simply love your "boring" videos!!!!)))) Keep doing and going! Cheers from Sweden.
I really enjoy these videos. Great work guys. Love the oooh la la’s. Look forward to the next vid to see how the low mileage RS4 engine gets fixed.
I considered purchasing an RS5 until I found this channel. I really like the 911 Turbo I chose instead.
who crossshops for RS5 and 911 turbo lol
You can hear from it cranking over it's a bit poorly, nice to have you back lads,always great content
That grey one has got to have a mileage blocker on it or something, that much damage at sub 30k dose not add up
Yeah I was thinking this aswell. And the rocker covers look like they've been off before looking at the state of the sealant.
no better way to start my Friday then with broken Audi's. 😂
yes, same for me, it makes my day
@@makantahi3731 why...
@@Jake_Smith7472 i liked audi as good looking car, high tech, but when i saw how they designed it-no maintenance friendly, bad design of important parts inside engine, no aftermarket parts, engine out for anything, i should be stupid and retarded in same time to own audi(i do almos everything on my chrysler 300c, 5.7, awd, stone age tech but easy to maintain and repair , and almost cheap, only imperfection is fuel (lpg)consumptiom: from 0-200km/h is 20 litres /100km, over 200km/h rises linearly, that is why i drive it floored
Doggo, Miroslav and broken RS4 B9 engines, it must be a new exciting engineering video from VAG technic 😁
No doubt involving two million pounds of parts from TPS who must be getting very rich from all the money they take from VAG Technic
TPS number one customer : )
Awesome videos guys, I do really enjoy watching them!
P. S. Is the doggo on a full time employment?😁
Doggo is part time mechanic, part time ball collector and expert TPS parts specialist who knows all the Audi timing chain parts numbers by heart 😁
@@bat33.12 Lmao😂
Very helpful videos - thanks!! (I have 3 Audis with the 2.9/3.0lt engines so I watch and read all the forums)
Can't wait for my engine to come out from discussion room 😅
Big BRAIN PEOPLE FROM SLOVAKIA!!! VAG Fanatic
VAG cars need more VAG Technic.
Great vid.
My B8.5 RS4 was the biggest POS I have ever owned. Never again.
Never ceases to amaze me how people can continue to drive something that's making noises like that and drive it until it stops! - still his wallet will be making a fluttering noise now with all the notes disappearing out of it!.
Wonder why they used those roller bearings?, as they are not really suited to the kind of motion in a rocker - would have thought a bronze bush would have been better for service life, but probably down to friction reduction and cost of manufacture - not good to be failing at those kind of mileages though.
Great work by the way - very interesting and informative channel.
The custom plate of 420 AK kind of doesn't fill me with confidence that the RS had a careful owner
i like the intro where you hear the tapping sound
rocker arms? seems to be a constant issue. i love watching your videos from here in the US.. the grey one should still under warranty.. no? 😂😂
Nice work.... Im very interested in the sequel of this video
The Porsche Cayenne uses the same 440 hp engine. 2020 year. I drive over 210K+ now and have no problem with it. It is possible that after a certain year this problem will be fixed.
As long as they get through the first finance period, audi are happy. Once the car is sold audi have made their money!!
You’ve got an rs 4, you’re topping up coolant daily and keep using it! Jesus man, this will be a hard lesson for you!
The two 2017 s4 I was looking at and passed on (thanks to your videos) are now sold. I pray for those new owners….even a mechanical third party warranty has limits.
Yes!!! First!!! Drink (Coffee) in hand... Biscuit in the other... Let's GO!!!!!!
The timelapse lol. The dog throws the toy and looks sad because no one is playing.
Great job boys 🙌🏼 You’ve got a follower 👋🏼
Pozdrav iz Beograda
Great content as always VAG!
Thanks for the video’s definitely not boring, I’ve recently bought a s5 2021 hope it goes well for me 😥.
13:11 That is the MAJOR reason why I can't let myself buy an Audi. I have the money, I have the desire, but throwing away money is always bad!
You have got to ask about the engineering on these engines considering the mileage.and damage.😢
it is called audi engineering
@@makantahi3731 Audi has same engineers like VW, Porsche or Bugatti. Best in the world.
@@senco981 why did you choose to declare vag group best, it is not , these videos deny you, please, remind me what porsche has 3.0 tdi engine, v6, or bugatti
Another excellent video, thank for doing these. What year(s) are these two? I didn't hear it in the video, but I assume 2018?
Wonder if its due to owners ragging them a bit more than a regular audi. People say about ev costs, like batteries but shows just how expensive a complicated ice engine failure can get, dissapointing for the owner facing them expenses at whats a really low mileage.
Ace content, don't sell yourselves short 👍🏼
Think its about time Audi VW redesign their valve train operation, do away with rocker arms, run the cam lobes directley onto inverted buckets as volvo do.
Audi should definitely do a recall on these engines
no , this makes money, if they made cars indestructible, they would go bankrupt
These engines must be Audi total design failure. Bring back the 5 cylinders
Ah.. they still make them for the rs3.
These are rs4's, they dropped the V8s in favor of 2.9 V6.
The only V6 Audi made well was the 3.0t supercharged one.
The 4.0t biturbo in the s7/s6 should have just been put into the Rs4 as well.
I m buying a new car in the summer, been looking at a BMW m340i but they are a little bit out of my price range so starting looking at a Audi b9 S4 but with the problems they are having probably better spending a bit more on the beemer!
Channels great, can’t believe how crap Audi’s are now
when i see people in audi , i sorry them because they don't know what will happen
I’m wondering if these guys have seen any failures on cars with the new designed rocker arms? Great channel BTW.
No
When the mechanics see a trend in repairs, it isn’t a coincidence, there is a problem. 26k miles and not covered under warranty or did I miss something? Is this car flagged as a TD1? I just saw a new 4.0T that had a very similar issue. VAG is slipping these past few years. Think I’ll stick with my C7. Another great video and a teaching point: listen to your car, it’s talking to you all the time.
They are 2018 models so nearly 6 years old so out of warranty (original 3 year one)
@@elliottrossdavis1977 I haven’t bought new in a long time but I always thought they carried some kind power train warranty external to the bumper to bumper.
@@HookerJoeFirenot in the UK, unless you take out the extended warranty at about £1,000/ yr
@@therealsleepenvy mine is costing £460 a year on renewal.
@@elchetdifferent age, mileage and excess will give different premiums
My '18 A7 with 3.0 EA839 130k still holding :)) hopefully till I trade it for an CLA 45 AMG
Audi engines, never boring.
Basically if you own an Audi and you are able to use these lads to work on your Audi say no more.
I'm laughing my butt off at the people still denying this rocker arm issue :D It's always been the case in the VAG community - it's always a fight to convince people there are critical flaws....until it happens to them and they go and buy a Toyota. I'm loving the French inserts btw LOL
New engine, new cats, new turbos. The car is close to a write-off.
Also just to add Audi's ERWIN servicing and documentation portal specifies 0W30 oil. Could the 0W20 gnats piss be a contributing factor to the rocker arm failures? Could the intercooler leaks be thermal shock in cold weather when the charge coolant pump kicks in under full load/intake temp?
Hey guys. Great video as always. What oil you recommended for these 2.9T?
Thanks
Well, for everyone complaining about B9 rocker arm failures, the real culprit for the failure on the 29k-mile engine was the cooler, which allowed coolant into the oil. The rocker arm bearings, as well as all other wetted bearing surfaces in the engine, are not going to tolerate operating with a coolant/oil mixture for very long. If it wasn't for the cooler leaking, I'd argue the rocker arm failure would not have occurred at that mileage interval.
How Did they coolant get in to oil ? 😲
This high mileage rocker arms looks like updated ones. And low mileage engine rocker arms looks like original, failing ones. Probably that coolant leakage was partly reason, why it went like domino, failing whole unit. Is there factory original oil in engine also?
But do not look very promising for B9 2.9 engine in long run, if they fail without tuning already.
Great video, very educational! Thank you
This channel has made me paranoid about buying a B9.5 RS4. I wish I never came looking 😅
давненько что то не было видосов , в нашем случаи стук поченили натянув плотней колпак на свечу 😂
The dog is the only one that requires more attention than an Audi :P
Also, is this all just poor material choices, or are these cars tuned? Maybe pops and bags do this, I dont know.
Top Job Best channel on u tube, well done lads 😁
Only 8 mins in but can i ask why the warrenty would of been refused?
4 years warranty on 2018 car expired last year.
If you browse in Germany car sale websites you can find models with over 200 000 km on S4/s5/sq5 platforms.
I doubt they did the rocker arms..
All these cars failure because of abusing and bad maintenances
Just why I think, going to the redline when the oil engine is cold, have a 3.0 with 130k km still no issues with 0w20 oil
How does an engine burning coolant cause the turbine to get eaten up? Erosion or?
What was the reason given for denial of warranty
Lovely cars, but I wouldn't have one on my mind 🤔
So how can we avoid it is the big question! A thicker oil, or what?! Would using 5w 40 make it easier for the rockers?
I really hope this was resolved with new rocker arms on my 2021 RS4
Yes
3:55 miroslaw ringtone😂
I've always wanted to work with engines in the same way you do.. Would you be able to give me an idea of where to start?
How does Audi not warranty a severely damaged motor without only 28k on it. Did the customer not do maintenance on time. don’t do your oil changes at 10K regardless of what the spec says it’s capable of.
Yep Yep Yep!! Ohhhhh! YepYep!!! Bad day at black rock me thinks need to go to the consultation room and lots of thunking.
Guys, out of curiosity. A ballpark price for doing the replacement of the rockers as a preventive measure?
Thank you. Great content, form and sense of humor.
+sub
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🤢🤮 omg i wanted a 2024 RS3... now not so much @VAGTechnic
Audi makes a mint on spares because they engineer their cars to break.
They’re great while they work. A good consumable resource. A poor investment if you want to keep a vehicle.
Perhaps not so bad in Europe where there are many more aftermarket options.
Respect Respect VAG Technic
From Valon Kosovo
Why was the warranty denied on the low milage car ?
because money, audi would not earn any money
I would assume, that owner ignored warnings from the car, and I guess from diagnostic they can see for how it lasted...
So without required maintenance, you'll loose warranty. Just assuming :D
I have had RS4’s for my last 8 cars since 2007 , Audi never repair them if the engine requires removal as the costs are ridiculous in labour alone and their master techs are useless compared to these guys , franchised dealerships are the problem , I heard of one branch in northern England deliberately putting the wrong oil in them so they could avoid warranty claims and blame owners for using wrong oil !
I dodged a bullet with the real world emissions delay on the 2018 B9 when Audi stopped production and got a late 2019 sport edition with upgraded rocker luckily enough !
@@keithmason5584 Interesting to hear and shocking. I cant cant say I have a good Audi main dealer opinion already. My friend bought an approved used Q7, first warranty claim it flagged for a remap and warranty was void, proven to be on the car at approved sale, took it to the motor ombudsman and got nothing. They really can treat customers how they like and still sell the product without apparent fear of brand damage.
I'm not aware of them having oil coolers issues or rocker arms..? 🤔They do love a thermostat tho.
Thats service … not oil cooler but jest exchanger for turbos ( intercooler )
I assume both of these vehicles had the old rocker arms?
"Most boring channel on youtube" :)) that comment just earned you a new subscriber :))
What if VAG tried some quality control before production?
What year are those Audis? Did Audi fix the issue in cureent models? Is the issue the same in Porsche 2.9l engines?
Very good videos keep it up 👌🏻
Is this an oil spec problem?
I think it's the distributor cap 😂
I think its some mouse fluff on the rotor arm ;o)
@@Slapbladder I think the contact breaker points need adjusting.
Great video,why in 2024 are parts worse than 30 years ago.
Because manufacturers make money from making cars like shit so they can sell you a new one. In many respects it's not their fault as they have to make money in modern society, but they could design their engines relatively well.
It's called "planned obsolescence"
From a quality point of view it seems those cars rival the quality of LG refrigerators. Looks awesome but does not last.
The new rocker arms from TPS have this flaw ironed out?
It’s not the cars that break, it’s the 3rd careful Bradford owner.
This must be some power tuning before on the engine
how does a luxury brand such as Audi deny warranty claims like this?! at BMW, we do our best to cover everything under warranty/ goodwill.
A4 B9 2.0 TDI 140kw/190hp/stronic 2016. i hear light ticking noise around 2700-3000 rpms in 3rd, 4th, 5th...gears do i need to worry?
Why the warranty was void on the low mileage one ?
Can someone explain to me, audi doesnt fix engine under warranty?
Only reason I keep my RS4 under warranty with Audi is incase this happens
affirmative
@@rgt1048 this guy just said car is under warranty
I also have all-in from audi
Great video
Was the one with no compression cylinder 6 tuned or stock?
I mean with such low milage and still "new" cars... surely the owners will have some warranty or at least powertrain insurance? Still a shame though.
Should I buy one of these cars or not? These 2.9L seem to be problemati?
Video was excellent