@SolarSpaClub I had cruised done videos of people who got the saw before it was released to the public and had heard whispers of overheating, but it's really crazy how much is being asked of those batteries. The 12ah batteries should be able to push another 50% of current than the 8ah ... at least it seems that way, I'm not an expert on the insides of these batteries, but it would make sense
I don't have a top handle, and I haven't even really messed around with them, so I can't give you any recommendations 🤷♂️. On some of the other electric saws that I've used where I'm trying to get the most out of limited power, the husky xcut chain has delivered good cut times.
I wish they offered the Milwaukee 20" in two different battery kits so you could choose between the 9% lighter weight of the dual 8Ah or the longer runtime of the dual 12Ah batteries - it's always more cost effective that way versus buying the batteries separately. Appreciate your coverage on the new 20" Milwaukee - would love to see what you come up with in the future for a good longer bar setup on it!
And more evidence to support your cover plate opinion: I had the cover plate wear out on my Milwaukee 16" after just 18 months of use, so I agree that the metal cover plates are better and am bummed they didn't take the opportunity to upgrade that on this saw.
I'm pleased to see my own setup (82CS34 with 5Ah) slaying in this test. I haven't ever experienced either the saw or the battery overheat, even with chainsaw milling which uses long continuous cuts, but again, maybe i don't push as hard as you do in this torture test.
@BenDiscoe for these tests, I'm bringing the saw to it's limit. My experience has been that it's much easier to keep the Greenworks from overheating than the Ego. Not sure about the Milwaukee, but it seems to run pretty cool with the 12ah set up. I'm really hoping to do some milling at some point. I have a portable set up, just haven't had the time. With the snow setting in now, it might be a project for next year at this point.
i have an older 18" 3/8 0.050 greenworks i have worked for ~ 3 or 4 years. i use cheap aftermarket 6ah batteries. as long as i have a/c plugs for 2 chargers available i am able to run all day long without stopping other than swapping out batteries to chargers. never have i had a battery or the chainsaw overheat even in over 100f summer temps. sometimes the occasional metal induced chain sharpening happens. mine is slightly lower in output power than the 20", but still has decent torque for when i don't want to use my 24" or 28" gas saws. it does take longer to cut as it doesn't spin up to match the 13,800 rpm of the gas saws. is yours the 80v or 82v 20" commercial version?
@aBigMeanie the one in this video is the 3.4kw 82v version. I have the 18" 2.5kw 82v chainsaw, I got it in June 2020. Funny thing is that Greenworks included and recommended the 2.5ah battery for that and it needed the 4ah to run right... they changed it later, but now they've done the same thing with the 3.4kw saw in this video... it comes with a 4ah battery and it really needs at least the 5ah battery to run right.
Have you tested to see total amount of cuts per charge on each saw? Like the Milwaukee made the cuts and batteries were pretty much spent vs overheated. How many cuts would the ego or Greenwood get over all?
@01snoll the 12ah Ego battery holds the most energy and the Greenworks 8ah is a little behind it. I've gotten 16 cuts with the Greenworks in a similar previous test.
@@reusefullthank you for the answer! Another thing you should try for comparison is to put the cs2000’s bar and chain on the 18” model and see how it performs. I’ve done that with one of mine but only have access to smaller wood at the moment, 4”-10” range
Big fan of your videos. I wish the total cost of your set ups that you’re comparing was a little more clear. After I watch the video I get on Google and try to do some price comparisons. It seems like some of the set ups may have a difference in price of as much as $500. When you’re getting into that kind of price difference, you kinda have to look at what it would be like if you went with the cheaper option and then just added an additional $500 battery.
@@Dinozero I'll try to clear up the prices in the description a little bit. If the MOST power isn't necessary, the kitted Ego CS2000 and kitted 60v Greenworks 20" (kitted w 8ah battery) are by far the most bang for your buck.
@@reusefull I actually wanna say I’m sorry. I was listening to your video but missed some of it visually and didn’t see the price charts that you had up on the screen. I do see that you had that on the screen now. It kind of proves my hypothesis, for nearly the same money as the Milwaukee plus the forge batteries, you could do the green Work or ego and get two of the high-powered batteries. So theoretically, you could double the cuts you got with the green Work or ego which would surpass the Milwaukee for all around the same out the door price. I got the ego commercial on a black Friday sale for $575. I can get a two pack of those 12 amp batteries for $900. So I would be out 1475 total. Or the Milwaukee plus the Forge batteries looking at 1400. Counting the battery my saw came with and then the two big batteries I think based on your test I would be looking at around 21 cuts for $1475. With the Milwaukee, I would be looking at 16 cuts for 1400. Maybe that’s a new metric for you to add to your comparisons lol price per cut
@Dinozero with another charger, you would have infinite cuts with the Ego... IF you could keep the saw itself from overheating. I don't have enough batteries to try and overheat the Milwaukee, but the saw itself seems to run pretty cool. There's a lot to be said for sticking with a battery line, because the more tools you run with the same battery, the better it is all the way around. I think it's just a matter of time before the Ego battery technology catches up to be able to run the CSX5000. There's probably 30 cuts in that 12ah battery, it just overheats. When I stop at 5 or 11 cuts or whatever it is that the battery overheats at, there's still a LOT of life left in the battery.
I think i saw on another channel they changed the Milwaukee chain with another that is chiseled and it cut faster and the cuts were smoother but they guy said it could have a greater kickback
As a huge fan and consumer of Milwaukee tool products id still pick up my Echo CS7310 for what it costs and can do. The battery powered chainsaws just aren’t there yet in competition for gas chainsaws.
Depending on the use, they certainly are. Most tree climbing arborists are on batt saws now. I do most of my property clean up and maintenance with batt saws. Also get half my firewood with batt, and only fire up the gas for the big stuff or if it's gonna be a long day. And yes, I have a 500i, 455, and 6401, and love gas motors.
I've been curious about how well the new Milwaukee could handle a longer bar as well. I've got the older M18 chainsaw that's great for most stuff but if the new one could swing a longer bar for felling work that would be great. I'd love to see 3/8 full skip on a 28".
A very, very interesting video. Since the test was done with "increased pressing to failure," this may also mean that the Milwaukee batteries have a protection chip other than Ego and Greenworks. I suspect that the Milwaukee saw continues to saw to the detriment of the batteries, despite the increased temperature of the battery, so others, Ego and Greenworks, go into protection at such a temperature and temporarily prevent the saw from working (protecting both the saw and the battery). It would be interesting to know the temperatures of all batteries when overloaded. Perhaps this is the reason. I will post a video about the complete cutting into "chips" with an 8 ah battery, a 0.325 chisel chain.
I think it's the tabless construction of the batteries that allows them to recover so quickly. To the hand, the Ego and Greenworks batteries actually feel hotter. I can't wait until that technology is in the Greenworks/Ego batteries
I think a good idea when comparing would be to make the saws have batteries that all have the same WH (what hour). Seems to me that would be a true test instead of the” included battery” because nobody that’s into this kind of stuff is gonna do a Milwaukee 8.0 on a tool like that if they have the 12.0 forge
@stephenpryor5063 at this time, the only way to get the Milwaukee saw is as a kit, and that kit comes with the 8ah Forge batteries. Some people prefer to have the lighter weight for lighter work if possible.
@@reusefull your right and that’s totally logical along with practical. I was just meaning in terms of speed and power comparisons to have both brands of batteries using the same watt hour or close to it
You mentioned it's possible to get a 24-in bar on the Milwaukee but there's issues with the available chains. Can you elaborate on this a little further. What if I were to put a 28-in bar with a chain and similar specs to the stock chain. Would that not work? Thank you
@SolarSpaClub I'm not sure, I'm going to try a 24 inch bar first. I'm working on it right now. The only way to do it, that I can figure out anyway, without altering the saw is to take a 24 inch 3/8 bar and convert it to .325. I'm going to run a skip tooth chain because there are a lot of cutters on a 24 inch .325. If it works well enough I'll try a 28.
@reusefull noob question: are you choosing the skip tooth because the 24-in bar will give you the additional length but less contact on the wood at a time so it doesn't burn out the saw too quick? Or is there another reason?
@SolarSpaClub I'm not really sure if it will be the best. I'll probably try both, but I think the .325 being thinner than 3/8 with so many cutters may clog and cut a little slower on a big log with a full chain.
@justsenditbro I push them harder than usual for these tests... check out Jorg who has a post on the 82CS34 cutting 30 something 17 inch rounds on one battery
Good test but you forgot to say WOW and holy crap!!!! that Milwaukee is almost $1000.00........ Have you tried >> ECHO eFORCE 18 in. 56V? I seen some over heating issues with it on YT, but those videos are a year old.....
@job38four10 The echo saw is not in the same class - it's like a middle weight and these are heavy weights (as far as battery saws go). What's even crazier is that the Milwaukee is kitted only, so you have to pay $900, but then to get those 12ah batteries, you have to shell out another $500, so it's really $1400!!! Brutal. They should at least offer a kit with the 12ah and maybe the super charger.
How is Milwaukee battery even a fair test if it is using 2 batteries.. Perhaps GW/EGO should make 2 battery models and then we can retire our barbells lol
they're in series. which means it only doubles the voltage not the capacity. it's a fair test because they're the same platform. 😂😂😂 genuinely look up how electricity works
As always, killer test and thanks. The Milwaukee is way overpriced for a non-pro saw. I picked up that Greenworks on their site on sale with an 8amp and rapid charger for $450, and another 8amp on ebay for $100. Half the price of the Milwaukee and the things rips faster than my 455. I have the Milwaukee top handle and it's ok, but it's plastic and def not the caliber of Husky or Stihl, or even Makita for that matter. Also the Milwaukee should be offered tool only and a 12amp kit. I think Milwaukee is just out of their lane and acting all pro. At least Greenworks they don't act like anything more than China ok stuff.
Very interesting. I just got that Milwaukee with the 8 amps hoping that it would last me at least half a day. This is definitely a shocker.
@SolarSpaClub I had cruised done videos of people who got the saw before it was released to the public and had heard whispers of overheating, but it's really crazy how much is being asked of those batteries. The 12ah batteries should be able to push another 50% of current than the 8ah ... at least it seems that way, I'm not an expert on the insides of these batteries, but it would make sense
Do you have the Milwaukee M18 fuel 12 inch top Handle saw im looking to get a Better Bar and CHAIN what do you Recommend
I don't have a top handle, and I haven't even really messed around with them, so I can't give you any recommendations 🤷♂️. On some of the other electric saws that I've used where I'm trying to get the most out of limited power, the husky xcut chain has delivered good cut times.
I wish they offered the Milwaukee 20" in two different battery kits so you could choose between the 9% lighter weight of the dual 8Ah or the longer runtime of the dual 12Ah batteries - it's always more cost effective that way versus buying the batteries separately. Appreciate your coverage on the new 20" Milwaukee - would love to see what you come up with in the future for a good longer bar setup on it!
And more evidence to support your cover plate opinion: I had the cover plate wear out on my Milwaukee 16" after just 18 months of use, so I agree that the metal cover plates are better and am bummed they didn't take the opportunity to upgrade that on this saw.
@@JamesCusano I am working on a 24" bar setup currently 👍
If anything the BATTERIES should last longer in the COLD weather TESTING Because they take longer to Overheating
I'm pleased to see my own setup (82CS34 with 5Ah) slaying in this test. I haven't ever experienced either the saw or the battery overheat, even with chainsaw milling which uses long continuous cuts, but again, maybe i don't push as hard as you do in this torture test.
@BenDiscoe for these tests, I'm bringing the saw to it's limit. My experience has been that it's much easier to keep the Greenworks from overheating than the Ego. Not sure about the Milwaukee, but it seems to run pretty cool with the 12ah set up. I'm really hoping to do some milling at some point. I have a portable set up, just haven't had the time. With the snow setting in now, it might be a project for next year at this point.
@BenDiscoe Jorg just posted a video where he cut over 30 17 inch rounds with the 82CS34 with no problem
i have an older 18" 3/8 0.050 greenworks i have worked for ~ 3 or 4 years. i use cheap aftermarket 6ah batteries. as long as i have a/c plugs for 2 chargers available i am able to run all day long without stopping other than swapping out batteries to chargers. never have i had a battery or the chainsaw overheat even in over 100f summer temps. sometimes the occasional metal induced chain sharpening happens. mine is slightly lower in output power than the 20", but still has decent torque for when i don't want to use my 24" or 28" gas saws. it does take longer to cut as it doesn't spin up to match the 13,800 rpm of the gas saws. is yours the 80v or 82v 20" commercial version?
@aBigMeanie the one in this video is the 3.4kw 82v version. I have the 18" 2.5kw 82v chainsaw, I got it in June 2020. Funny thing is that Greenworks included and recommended the 2.5ah battery for that and it needed the 4ah to run right... they changed it later, but now they've done the same thing with the 3.4kw saw in this video... it comes with a 4ah battery and it really needs at least the 5ah battery to run right.
Have you tested to see total amount of cuts per charge on each saw? Like the Milwaukee made the cuts and batteries were pretty much spent vs overheated. How many cuts would the ego or Greenwood get over all?
@01snoll the 12ah Ego battery holds the most energy and the Greenworks 8ah is a little behind it. I've gotten 16 cuts with the Greenworks in a similar previous test.
@@reusefullthank you for the answer! Another thing you should try for comparison is to put the cs2000’s bar and chain on the 18” model and see how it performs. I’ve done that with one of mine but only have access to smaller wood at the moment, 4”-10” range
Big fan of your videos. I wish the total cost of your set ups that you’re comparing was a little more clear.
After I watch the video I get on Google and try to do some price comparisons. It seems like some of the set ups may have a difference in price of as much as $500.
When you’re getting into that kind of price difference, you kinda have to look at what it would be like if you went with the cheaper option and then just added an additional $500 battery.
@@Dinozero I'll try to clear up the prices in the description a little bit. If the MOST power isn't necessary, the kitted Ego CS2000 and kitted 60v Greenworks 20" (kitted w 8ah battery) are by far the most bang for your buck.
@@reusefull I actually wanna say I’m sorry. I was listening to your video but missed some of it visually and didn’t see the price charts that you had up on the screen.
I do see that you had that on the screen now.
It kind of proves my hypothesis, for nearly the same money as the Milwaukee plus the forge batteries, you could do the green Work or ego and get two of the high-powered batteries.
So theoretically, you could double the cuts you got with the green Work or ego which would surpass the Milwaukee for all around the same out the door price.
I got the ego commercial on a black Friday sale for $575. I can get a two pack of those 12 amp batteries for $900. So I would be out 1475 total.
Or the Milwaukee plus the Forge batteries looking at 1400.
Counting the battery my saw came with and then the two big batteries I think based on your test I would be looking at around 21 cuts for $1475.
With the Milwaukee, I would be looking at 16 cuts for 1400.
Maybe that’s a new metric for you to add to your comparisons lol price per cut
@Dinozero with another charger, you would have infinite cuts with the Ego... IF you could keep the saw itself from overheating. I don't have enough batteries to try and overheat the Milwaukee, but the saw itself seems to run pretty cool. There's a lot to be said for sticking with a battery line, because the more tools you run with the same battery, the better it is all the way around. I think it's just a matter of time before the Ego battery technology catches up to be able to run the CSX5000. There's probably 30 cuts in that 12ah battery, it just overheats. When I stop at 5 or 11 cuts or whatever it is that the battery overheats at, there's still a LOT of life left in the battery.
I think i saw on another channel they changed the Milwaukee chain with another that is chiseled and it cut faster and the cuts were smoother but they guy said it could have a greater kickback
Good information man
@@floydwilliams3321 thank you
As a huge fan and consumer of Milwaukee tool products id still pick up my Echo CS7310 for what it costs and can do. The battery powered chainsaws just aren’t there yet in competition for gas chainsaws.
Depending on the use, they certainly are. Most tree climbing arborists are on batt saws now. I do most of my property clean up and maintenance with batt saws. Also get half my firewood with batt, and only fire up the gas for the big stuff or if it's gonna be a long day. And yes, I have a 500i, 455, and 6401, and love gas motors.
I've been curious about how well the new Milwaukee could handle a longer bar as well. I've got the older M18 chainsaw that's great for most stuff but if the new one could swing a longer bar for felling work that would be great. I'd love to see 3/8 full skip on a 28".
@@user-cs1ne8gx9u I have one on the way👍
That's great. Thank you for all the hard work.
A very, very interesting video. Since the test was done with "increased pressing to failure," this may also mean that the Milwaukee batteries have a protection chip other than Ego and Greenworks. I suspect that the Milwaukee saw continues to saw to the detriment of the batteries, despite the increased temperature of the battery, so others, Ego and Greenworks, go into protection at such a temperature and temporarily prevent the saw from working (protecting both the saw and the battery). It would be interesting to know the temperatures of all batteries when overloaded. Perhaps this is the reason. I will post a video about the complete cutting into "chips" with an 8 ah battery, a 0.325 chisel chain.
I think it's the tabless construction of the batteries that allows them to recover so quickly. To the hand, the Ego and Greenworks batteries actually feel hotter. I can't wait until that technology is in the Greenworks/Ego batteries
@@reusefull very interesting, progress is being made and it makes me happy
@@Tihiroprjckuh9000 indeed!
I forgot to ask, how much percent is left on the greenworks battery after overheating, after cutting 12 cuts?
@Tihiroprjckuh9000 I think 22%
I think a good idea when comparing would be to make the saws have batteries that all have the same WH (what hour). Seems to me that would be a true test instead of the” included battery” because nobody that’s into this kind of stuff is gonna do a Milwaukee 8.0 on a tool like that if they have the 12.0 forge
@stephenpryor5063 at this time, the only way to get the Milwaukee saw is as a kit, and that kit comes with the 8ah Forge batteries.
Some people prefer to have the lighter weight for lighter work if possible.
@@reusefull It's worth knowing how both cut too. I use the top handle with both 12 and 8Ah batteries depending on what I'm doing.
@@reusefull your right and that’s totally logical along with practical.
I was just meaning in terms of speed and power comparisons to have both brands of batteries using the same watt hour or close to it
Whats the difference between EGO Power+ CS2005 20-Inch 56-Volt Lithium-ion Cordless Chainsaw and the >>> EGO CSX2005 that your using?
@job38four10 Haha... it's a long story. I've got a couple videos on it. The CSX5007 is their "commercial" saw. More powerful.
You mentioned it's possible to get a 24-in bar on the Milwaukee but there's issues with the available chains. Can you elaborate on this a little further. What if I were to put a 28-in bar with a chain and similar specs to the stock chain. Would that not work? Thank you
@SolarSpaClub I'm not sure, I'm going to try a 24 inch bar first. I'm working on it right now. The only way to do it, that I can figure out anyway, without altering the saw is to take a 24 inch 3/8 bar and convert it to .325. I'm going to run a skip tooth chain because there are a lot of cutters on a 24 inch .325. If it works well enough I'll try a 28.
@reusefull noob question: are you choosing the skip tooth because the 24-in bar will give you the additional length but less contact on the wood at a time so it doesn't burn out the saw too quick? Or is there another reason?
@SolarSpaClub I'm not really sure if it will be the best. I'll probably try both, but I think the .325 being thinner than 3/8 with so many cutters may clog and cut a little slower on a big log with a full chain.
Soooo gas saws for the win lol😂 love battery saws but dang lol looks like my ms462c will stick around for firewood!
@justsenditbro I push them harder than usual for these tests... check out Jorg who has a post on the 82CS34 cutting 30 something 17 inch rounds on one battery
Good test but you forgot to say WOW and holy crap!!!! that Milwaukee is almost $1000.00........
Have you tried >> ECHO eFORCE 18 in. 56V? I seen some over heating issues with it on YT, but those videos are a year old.....
@job38four10 The echo saw is not in the same class - it's like a middle weight and these are heavy weights (as far as battery saws go). What's even crazier is that the Milwaukee is kitted only, so you have to pay $900, but then to get those 12ah batteries, you have to shell out another $500, so it's really $1400!!! Brutal. They should at least offer a kit with the 12ah and maybe the super charger.
Can you cut a rick of wood with any of these saws, Without a handful of batteries? I've never had luck with battery powered saws.
@@clarkpitts5393 If you're cutting typical sized firewood logs, yes.
How is Milwaukee battery even a fair test if it is using 2 batteries.. Perhaps GW/EGO should make 2 battery models and then we can retire our barbells lol
they're in series. which means it only doubles the voltage not the capacity. it's a fair test because they're the same platform. 😂😂😂 genuinely look up how electricity works
what you're crying about is no different than saying two $5 dollar bills is a different value than one $10 bill because there are two of the $5 bills
I thought these were supposed to be better than a gas saw?
Still no replacement for gas.
Depends on your use - different saws are better in different situations.
As always, killer test and thanks. The Milwaukee is way overpriced for a non-pro saw. I picked up that Greenworks on their site on sale with an 8amp and rapid charger for $450, and another 8amp on ebay for $100. Half the price of the Milwaukee and the things rips faster than my 455. I have the Milwaukee top handle and it's ok, but it's plastic and def not the caliber of Husky or Stihl, or even Makita for that matter. Also the Milwaukee should be offered tool only and a 12amp kit. I think Milwaukee is just out of their lane and acting all pro. At least Greenworks they don't act like anything more than China ok stuff.
🫣 omg I really don’t think you should be let loose with chainsaws.