lol, what you expect from a competitive oriented channel list, on he plus side, charge shot is one of the few powerful projectiles that can be B-reversed in the air, making it really unpredictable.
i think they really missed out on the bomb confirmations on ledge-guards and edge-guards or just random confirms into fsmash, and two versions of missile which can lead to shield breaks. what about that bomb to dair from shield break?
GresSimJa True, but it's very situational and doesn't have a reliable setup, outside of a jab 1 > footstool exclusively on Olimar (and even then, you can't have any Pikmin on you, which is rare at that distance). You have to be at a precise angle away from the opponent and read that they will miss their tech and input AR at least a third of a second in advance. If you whiff, you are open for a punish, since you are stuck in the animation for 68 frames. The projectile itself is borderline useless in MUs where the opponent has a good dash speed, like Sheik, Mac, Falcon, Sonic, and Fox. They can run past it or shield it and punish you for even throwing it out. I'm not saying it's absolutely worthless; some MUs allow for Palu to safely use it to bait out approaches and harass from a distance, but on the whole and especially when compared to other projectiles, it's pretty terrible.
Beefy I hope this doesn't annoy you or you hear it to often... But your voice is so smooth and awesome. Ima go download amino and vote but seriously keep up the good vids guys! Stay BEEFY!!!
Hero of Twilight with some design choices from Skyward Sword Link. But that link doesn't have a boomerang so that's probably why he mostly resembles the Hero of Twilight
mmh while I know OoT and MM Link is THE Hero of Time, aren't all Link called the hero of the time because they're always a reincarnation of the hero of time?
This is what I'm saying, Diddy Kong's don't even compare to Pac-Man, at the very least he shoulda been number two on the list. Pac and Megaman are super close to a tie. But I've noticed he doesn't get much attention in the community. wonder why?
Jason Ha I only go for a grab if i am gonna get pushed off by my hydrant (rarely) so i slide off. Yet I do decent in locals, because if you work around a characters weaknesses, you can find their strength
Literally smash 4 is pretty much all grabs. They're such an important part. The only think PacMan has going for him is that no one knows the match ups.
I think Bowser Jr. has a great projectile game, but few people know how to play him properly. If you use his mechakoopa as a trap like duck hunt's can, you can follow with a cannonball like villager uses rocket. You set up a trap forcing them in a corner and can close the gap with clown cart and can go into grab, aerials, or a tilt/smash attack. To learn these setups, it helps to practice with Pac-Man, villager, and duck hunt and rework their setups using Bowser Jr's specials
Another great thing about Robo Beam is that it is one of the few projectiles in the game capable of piercing, this is especially great in some matchups where the opponent tries to hide behind something, such as Rosalina, Villager, or Duck Hunt Duo. There is no hiding for R.O.B.'s piercing eyes. Also, R.O.B. is great at Z-Drop Recatch Aerials which he can use when he has the Gyro as held item to perform Aerials without losing that Gyro. Mega Man is really bad at doing the same because his Z-Drop drops his items behind him.
As a Toon Link/Link player I agree with the placement of the characters in terms of projectile utility, but think Toon Link is still the better projectile character as his speed and mobility allows him to better combo off of his projectiles. Link's windbox on his boomerang is more situational and often times lets a player who charges a random smash attack to connect an otherwise random move. The hitbox on Toon Link's can interrupt an opponent during its return which can save him especially if he's grabbed. Toon Link's bombs have a larger blast radius and a longer timer on his bombs while Link can throw his farther. Like I said, I play and enjoy both characters but calling Toon Link's projectile game outright worse than Link's is pretty darn ignorant.
my opEENYON is, i think you should do a sword fighter tier list. we all know who would be the best by far (aHEM) but it would be helpful for many players.
Samus didn't even get an honorable mention? jesus christ :edit: Okay, she at least had an appearance. That's cool. And, was the weird pronunciation of 'opinion' a joke about ZeRo? xP
everyone here is criticising the opinion that samus isn't in here because her projectiles suck but when you get down to it that is samus' primary game and her melee attacks are not meant to be used for the whole match she just can't keep it with more than half the roster in that regard. so the real criticism should be what the fuck is nintendo's problem with making samus a decent character with a well defined meta? big N why do you no like samus anymore?
You forgot to mention Robin's Up Special as a projectile. It allows for easy edge guards against characters who have bad recovery since it covers the space next to the ledge pretty well.
I have discovered something. The characters that can jump after using up B can only do it if the tap jump is deactivated. When using Up B in the air after being hit, the game read it like you jump, something like a ghost-jump. Also without the tap jump it is harder to use Up-B while running and I believe the character doesn't slide like it will with the tap jump activated. I'm pretty sure there is more about this so if anyone discovered something please comment. If all of this was already knew I'm sorry.
I think Toon Link should be above Link because of the versatility of his projectiles. He can angle his boomerang more easily, and it flies through the stage, which can be great for pseudo-aerial approaches. Also, TL's bomb does more damage if you hit the opponent with the explosion instead of the bomb, which is great for Z-dropping at the ledge. And TL's uncharged arrows are arguably the best pressuring move in the game at mid range, due to them going further than Link's arrows and coming out faster and forcing the opponent to spotdodge or shield to avoid the damage and hitstun the arrow provides. It's easy to shield, but that's the point-shield or spotdodge bait, which can be punished with a grab and backthrow. The slow-ish nature of the arrows helps even more, making it easier for the opponent to shield and therefore more likely to do so. One of my favorite TL combos is draw a bomb, throw it, draw another bomb, use a quick umcharged arrow, and if the opponent spotdodges, throw the bomb then go in for the grab, and of they stay in shield from the first bomb and arrow, follow the arrow to the opponent (that's where the arrow being slower helps: easier follow-ups) and grab, then upthrow and send the bomb after them. It also helps if you send a boomerang into the stage to make them cautious about being hit on the return hit.
Where is ness or Lucas PK fire PK thunder PK flash PK freeze and there whole body is a projectile if used with PK thunder and PSI magnet stops energy base projectiles and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like ness and Lucas exempt in brawl I main Lucas but not ness… God this's comment took a long time!
Not really a projectile character, but greninja's shurikens are surprisingly good. It's fast, can be charged l, it's a combo move and a kill move, and it can condition opponents to shield.
As a side note: Megaman's Leaf Shield has priority over most proyectiles because of the 4 hitbox that it has, i always use it against spamers like Link Arrows and something like, the Leaf Shield loses 1 and hits with the other 3
DHD has to be my favourite projectile character, so much fun to use. Very glad to see him being acknowledged here as one of the best projectile characters. :]
This comment section in a nutshell: people who don't know about Pac Man thinks he's underrated because of some Pac Man they saw before people who don't know about DH complain about DH's placement (hint: watch You3, Brood, and Raito)
Toon Link is not the hero of time, he's the hero of winds. And twilight princess Link is not the hero of time either he's the hero of twilight. Melee's link is the hero of time, because he's from ocarina of time. Sorry for all the Zelda lore, but i get really upset if someone says it wrong...
Happy to see one my main be on this list (Mega Man) and also leaf shield is also good ledge guarding tool because you can drag the opponent down with you then footstool them to get back up while your opponent falls to their death.
4:18 dont forget that you can ride it from one side of a stage to the other. its also a decent recovery option because if you aren't careful... you will get hit by the rocket.
Even though its not the biggest part of Falco's game, his lasers can be really good if used correctly. People usually never see them as a threat, since most Falco players forget to use them effictively. But if you know how to use them, they can be really annoying. They are mostly used for mindgames and gimps, but can also lock and condition the apponent to do a specific action, like, a airdodge. And if you read it, they are in for a hard punish. Some characters like Ike, Rob, Ness, Little mac and so on, can get thier recovery really screwed over by lasers. And most importantly, using lasers to zone, and fuck up your opponents mommentum or approach, can be really effective too. Overall, lasers are just like Falco players. They seem like they are not dangerous, but can give you one hell of a time if you do not know how to play around them :)
Can't believe the lack of Lucas. PK Fire and PK Freeze are both amazing spacing/pressure options, and PK Thunder turns your body into the ultimate projectile!
But I'm making a point which is, one is used with a gun and one is used for mainly fun and games. If you were a commentator and said that, you'd probably be looked at weirdly like a guy who said wrong shulk stuff
If there's one thing that I disagree with this list, it's putting Link higher than Toon Link because his projectiles are better. The thing is, that's only the case with Boomberang IMO. Link's arrows might be faster and stronger, but Toon Link's arrows allow for more followups and are extremely good when B-reversed. With bombs, the only advantages Link has is that his is better for recovery. Toon Link's is much better for pressure, followups, and spacing because his faster overall.
Sorry but there is no way that Links projectilegame is better than Toon Links. The fact that Tinks projectiles move slower only helps his zoning game because thus they can stay longer on screen and he can have more of them out at the same time to create a bigger wall between him and his opponent(wich alongside the better framedata is the reason why his arrows are much better than links). His projectile combos are way better than Links because of his mobility and because his bombs are way better. Yeah Links do 1% more damage but you completely ignored that Tinks bombs have a longer fusion time wich means he can hold them longer and doesn't have to pull a new one as frequently as Link. There explosion range is bigger than Links (for unknown reasons) wich is a great trade for just 1% less damage and Tinks mobility allows him to do more things with his bombs like catching his own bombs, though he can't do bombslides wich is an advantage for Link. Toon Links superior projectilegame is the biggest reason for him to be placed above Link in the tier list (often by a few tiers) alongside his mobility, so if his porjectilegame was worse there wouldn't be a real reason to put him over Link, wich means Link is the better character, wich he clearly isn't. This wasn't meant to shit on you or something like that, just a thing I think you got wrong and thus wanted to reasonably criticize. But aside from that, keep up the good work guys👍🏻
I think... 5. Robin 4. Duck Hunt 3. Link & Toon Link (advantages and disadvantages of bombs and booms cancel out eachother imo) 2. Villager 1. the super fighting robot
Wasn't suprised by Mega Man being at the top. I thought it was really cool when Kamemushi showed us how amazing he can be at EVO. What I was surprised by is Link being above Toon Link. I personally agree but most people that I talk to would disagree on this.
The best thing to happen is when you reflect Villager's and Mega Man's F-Smash (even better when his D-Air gets reflected and spikes Mega Man super hard) right at their faces. The kill power on those is absolutely insane.
I'd personally say Ness has the best projectiles because PK flash can deal heavy damage, PK fire can disrupt and give an easy follow up with his bat and his PK thunder can prevent up specials.
I think Lucas should be an honorable mention. He can edgeguard with up and neutral special and his zair (I guess it counts) and side special are great for spacing.
As a PAC main I completely understand why he isn't on this list. Any of his fruit minus the bell can be caught fairly easily. Plus his hydrant can be used again him if not careful. Not good projectile game unless you're playing against an inexperienced player
Link ahead of Tink? hmmm..... you have a good argument and i know they're close, but i feel like Tink's slower boomerang is an advantage as it leaves the hitbox on the stage longer (plus you can angle it)
"Again to the hero of time"? Toon Link isn't the Hero of Time, he's the Hero of Wind. Just a little correction from a Wind Waker lover. Still an awesome video!
Ask yourself this beefy smash dudes What do Ridleys Down B Bayonettas witch time Ryu’s down B And Zero Suit Samus down Smash And mewtwo disable And jigglypuffa sing All have in common ? They can’t Kill all on there own But they stun the opponent kind of like a semi shield break You guys need to consider not just what a projectile does But what’s its effectiveness as a kill move
Ich habe etwas sehr interessantes gefunden: Als ich im Trainingsmodus langeweile hatte, fand ich heraus, dass auf 999 Prozent Der zweite Hit von Lucas N-Air softspiked. Man muss nah an der Ledge stehen, zwischen den Gegner und der Ledge. Dann springt man und nutzt N-Air kurz bevor man landet, sodass man den Gegner trifft. Dieser sollte auf die andere Seite gebracht und gespiked werden. Ich werde bald ein Video hochladen.
Ness and Lucas are still highly based on projectiles. I mean, there's PK Fire and it's controllable range, PK Thunder and it's gimping capabilities and PK Freeze/Flash's Edge Guard. Yet Link and Toon Link are still projectile based, they have exceptional melee, and are still swordfighters, which are known for close combat. They are mainly used for approaching and Edge guarding, whilst Lucas and Ness utilize spacing, edge guard and gimping. Then there's Lucas and Ness' infamous b-airs. How are they not even mentioned?! EDIT: By mentioned, I mean put in HONORABLE mentions. Please don't spite me.
Well, shoutout for stylesx2's primary main, very unpredictable projectiles + shield break = punish anyway any shield break tools we don't often use? I mean Falcons f-air and d-air puts a lot of shield pressure on the opponent but both of these air attacks have long landing lag. Even Lucas down smash puts pressure on shield. and any more moves that can be DI/SDIed out of?
As a Pac-Main, I reluctantly understand why he's not even an honorable mention. -If I had a dollar for everytime someone caught my bonus fruit with a whiffed dash attack or panic air dodge...or kicked the fire hydrant back at my FACE...-
Pac-Man's not even *mentioned*.
...
*sigh*
Fawful's Minion nah man, everyone has a hard on for lemons X 100000 these days :/
Fawful's Minion Let's just hope that you'll be able to make a video soon to ease the pain of PAC man being outshined by Diddy Kong
DATDUMBDOG not in projectiles
DATDUMBDOG H*ck you man
Oh no izzylee64!!!! Will I get in trouble if I say "huck"? xD learn to spell
*Samus weeps silently in the corner*
lol, what you expect from a competitive oriented channel list, on he plus side, charge shot is one of the few powerful projectiles that can be B-reversed in the air, making it really unpredictable.
you know what's funny is i have people saying samus can't b-reverse.
i think they really missed out on the bomb confirmations on ledge-guards and edge-guards or just random confirms into fsmash, and two versions of missile which can lead to shield breaks. what about that bomb to dair from shield break?
+ayar2 lol samus can't b reverse her charged shot in smash 4
Clovie Pounders
lol seriously? I do Air B-Reverse with her all the time XD, its tricky at first, but once you get used to. . .
"Top 5 Projectile Chatacters
*puts Palutena in thumbnail*
xD
For the boobs
doodoo farted
Best projectile character is definitely Little Mac.
Dat ain't Falco nah man, can't forget ganondorf
nigga be throwin punches
Hahaha throwing punches...
WIllIam Obed Ganoncide best projectile.
Dat ain't Falco throwing himself off the stage- I mean what?
The first thing I thought about seeing Palutena on the thumbnail of this video was that she would NOT be in this list lol.
YacubCubby13579ZR True. Autoreticle is ass.
GresSimJa True, but it's very situational and doesn't have a reliable setup, outside of a jab 1 > footstool exclusively on Olimar (and even then, you can't have any Pikmin on you, which is rare at that distance). You have to be at a precise angle away from the opponent and read that they will miss their tech and input AR at least a third of a second in advance. If you whiff, you are open for a punish, since you are stuck in the animation for 68 frames.
The projectile itself is borderline useless in MUs where the opponent has a good dash speed, like Sheik, Mac, Falcon, Sonic, and Fox. They can run past it or shield it and punish you for even throwing it out.
I'm not saying it's absolutely worthless; some MUs allow for Palu to safely use it to bait out approaches and harass from a distance, but on the whole and especially when compared to other projectiles, it's pretty terrible.
GresSimJa Ignore my rant if your comment was sarcasm. It's hard to tell sometimes.
(Tries to use long words)
And "Palu"? Really?
Beefy I hope this doesn't annoy you or you hear it to often... But your voice is so smooth and awesome. Ima go download amino and vote but seriously keep up the good vids guys! Stay BEEFY!!!
+William Pope
heh i liked that zero reference at the end, opeenion
0:43 Gravity Falls Background nice! =)
B-b-but where's Pac-Man? :c
+Mr. Gallame He made a deal with Bill.
+Beefy Smash Doods what does that even mean
its a gravity galls reference
Bill Cipher...
XD
as a PAC-Main this lists disgusts me =(
still love your videos though
Lol Zeo
Pac-Man getting snubbed once again. Well, he was an honorable mention in the ledge trap video
Tbh I was really expecting Pac-Man somewhere on this list
i feel ya pain pac got deadly footstool combos too
ZeoLightning lol sup zeo
Not gonna lie, it kinda triggered me that Pac wasn't on here
good thing you didnt say pac-man or else you wouldve assumed my gender
1UP Arcade Stop complaining. He doesn't deserve a spot on the list. Get triggered of your want, I don't care.
Says the guy with the Ness prof pic.
Monochrome Soul Ness is literally top tier though.
***** Have you ever heard the phrase "It's not about tiers, it's about how play it?"
no pacman
bu-bu..
lol klc
its_me_klc I was hoping he would be on this list
DATDUMBDOG Um no are you stupid XD
I know how you feel. I'm a samus main...
9:55 I'm not the only one that caught that right?
Opeenions?
Neither link is the hero of time. Toon link is the hero of wind and link from smash is the hero of twilight.
smartass lmao
+The Great Valoo its an important distinction. thank you for bringing it up
Hero of Twilight with some design choices from Skyward Sword Link. But that link doesn't have a boomerang so that's probably why he mostly resembles the Hero of Twilight
mmh while I know OoT and MM Link is THE Hero of Time, aren't all Link called the hero of the time because they're always a reincarnation of the hero of time?
To me, hes just Zelda
*grabs popcorn* ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
What's your opinion on this?
I haven't watched the video yet and you ask this question how rude of you
I personally think my main Mega Man is #1 :)
Mark Hansel You didn't watch the whole video before commenting?
I do like this video, but how is pacman not even an honourable mention?
Beefy Smash Doods Well, it's just my opEEnion
HOW DARE YOU NOT EVEN MENTION PAC-MAN BUT DIDDY KONG
This is what I'm saying, Diddy Kong's don't even compare to Pac-Man, at the very least he shoulda been number two on the list. Pac and Megaman are super close to a tie. But I've noticed he doesn't get much attention in the community. wonder why?
Jason Ha I know it's just an opinion but it is soo wrong.
Jason Ha simple solution, don't fucking try to grab
Jason Ha I only go for a grab if i am gonna get pushed off by my hydrant (rarely) so i slide off. Yet I do decent in locals, because if you work around a characters weaknesses, you can find their strength
Literally smash 4 is pretty much all grabs. They're such an important part. The only think PacMan has going for him is that no one knows the match ups.
7:19 it's not a peanut gun it's a coconut gun and it can fire in spurts and you also failed to mention that it's gonna hurt
We're talking about Diddy here. It's Donkey Kong that has the Coconut Cream Pie Gun.
Nigel Joshua Orbe cream pie 😏
Erick Lara It can fire in spurts.( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
lol
IT IS THE PEANUT POPGUN DONKEY KONG HAS THE COCONUT ONE
I saw No.1 from a mile away. I'm quite confused that Pac wasn't mentioned though.
Everyone is.
Are you guys gonna do Top 5 Sword Fighters?
DATDUMBDOG This is actually the best list ever. In perfect order too.
+DATDUMBDOG Meta Knight doesn't have a sword, he has a knife at best.
Tim W. corrin would be number 1 FUCK FFVII AND CLOUD
honeylion07 Yeah, cause Fire Embull Fails is such a high-quality game.
Cloud is annoying af. So many people hate him.
I think Bowser Jr. has a great projectile game, but few people know how to play him properly. If you use his mechakoopa as a trap like duck hunt's can, you can follow with a cannonball like villager uses rocket. You set up a trap forcing them in a corner and can close the gap with clown cart and can go into grab, aerials, or a tilt/smash attack. To learn these setups, it helps to practice with Pac-Man, villager, and duck hunt and rework their setups using Bowser Jr's specials
Did anyone catch that opeenion?
Another great thing about Robo Beam is that it is one of the few projectiles in the game capable of piercing, this is especially great in some matchups where the opponent tries to hide behind something, such as Rosalina, Villager, or Duck Hunt Duo. There is no hiding for R.O.B.'s piercing eyes.
Also, R.O.B. is great at Z-Drop Recatch Aerials which he can use when he has the Gyro as held item to perform Aerials without losing that Gyro. Mega Man is really bad at doing the same because his Z-Drop drops his items behind him.
As a Toon Link/Link player I agree with the placement of the characters in terms of projectile utility, but think Toon Link is still the better projectile character as his speed and mobility allows him to better combo off of his projectiles. Link's windbox on his boomerang is more situational and often times lets a player who charges a random smash attack to connect an otherwise random move. The hitbox on Toon Link's can interrupt an opponent during its return which can save him especially if he's grabbed. Toon Link's bombs have a larger blast radius and a longer timer on his bombs while Link can throw his farther. Like I said, I play and enjoy both characters but calling Toon Link's projectile game outright worse than Link's is pretty darn ignorant.
Awesome list. I didn't know about half the techniques that megaman has
Wish you guys could do an episode on Wii Fit Trainers Projectiles.
Jeremy Leyland same, would like to see some cool header stuff
2:43 Just to know, Smash 4 link and toon link are the hero of twilight and hero of wind respectively, only 64 and melee are the hero of time
What we really needed. Is. mega man, with villagers fair and bair, duck hunt's can and shooter, robins up special, and links sheild
But link's shield acts like Palutenas reflect and its hitbox is always active
Link's shield doesn't reflect projectiles, it just blocks them.
Antifrost
I know
But it blocks. Them
Swagron I'd rather have villagers recovery to get back from anywhere. pocket instead of can too
Swagron Well, you were the one who said 'reflect' in your comment.
I think it'd be interesting to have a full breakdown of all the projectile characters and how they're used.
How could you not include Jigglypuff's Rollout?!?!?!?!!?!?!
If Villager could pocket Jigs during Rollout he could just hold her until she despawns in the pocket for a free stock.
IKR that would be chaos!
Is this a joke I'm not getting?
Lol
Jiggs is such a good projectile character that *she is* a projectile.
Very nice design on the object presentation!
my opEENYON is, i think you should do a sword fighter tier list. we all know who would be the best by far (aHEM) but it would be helpful for many players.
Mii Swordfighter is the best
I was so ready for Samus to be number one... But she's not even HONOURABLE!
*sobs*
Samus didn't even get an honorable mention? jesus christ
:edit:
Okay, she at least had an appearance. That's cool. And, was the weird pronunciation of 'opinion' a joke about ZeRo? xP
Mariode Her bomb projectiles are actually great for recovery, even stalling her recovery.
Her projectiles are pretty lackluster.
everyone here is criticising the opinion that samus isn't in here because her projectiles suck but when you get down to it that is samus' primary game and her melee attacks are not meant to be used for the whole match she just can't keep it with more than half the roster in that regard. so the real criticism should be what the fuck is nintendo's problem with making samus a decent character with a well defined meta? big N why do you no like samus anymore?
xP
Clovie Pounders they made her up special and up air able to kill, and if you've seen Art of Samus you'd see she has a lot of combo options.
Dude, regular link is the hero of twilight, and toon link is the hero of wind. The hero of time is melee link and young link
Pff, Cloud obviously has the best projectile game
At least, that's what FG players think
sick burn, love it.
Thiro DSmash up air
ThiroSmash no little mac has the best
Wow! The editing in this video is top notch!
Sees Palutena in thumbnail. Expect some hot Palu action... Curls up in corner and cries.
Where's the Palu-love?
You forgot to mention Robin's Up Special as a projectile. It allows for easy edge guards against characters who have bad recovery since it covers the space next to the ledge pretty well.
I HEARD THAT "OPEENION" AT THE END LMAO.
I have discovered something. The characters that can jump after using up B can only do it if the tap jump is deactivated. When using Up B in the air after being hit, the game read it like you jump, something like a ghost-jump. Also without the tap jump it is harder to use Up-B while running and I believe the character doesn't slide like it will with the tap jump activated. I'm pretty sure there is more about this so if anyone discovered something please comment. If all of this was already knew I'm sorry.
I think Toon Link should be above Link because of the versatility of his projectiles.
He can angle his boomerang more easily, and it flies through the stage, which can be great for pseudo-aerial approaches.
Also, TL's bomb does more damage if you hit the opponent with the explosion instead of the bomb, which is great for Z-dropping at the ledge.
And TL's uncharged arrows are arguably the best pressuring move in the game at mid range, due to them going further than Link's arrows and coming out faster and forcing the opponent to spotdodge or shield to avoid the damage and hitstun the arrow provides. It's easy to shield, but that's the point-shield or spotdodge bait, which can be punished with a grab and backthrow. The slow-ish nature of the arrows helps even more, making it easier for the opponent to shield and therefore more likely to do so.
One of my favorite TL combos is draw a bomb, throw it, draw another bomb, use a quick umcharged arrow, and if the opponent spotdodges, throw the bomb then go in for the grab, and of they stay in shield from the first bomb and arrow, follow the arrow to the opponent (that's where the arrow being slower helps: easier follow-ups) and grab, then upthrow and send the bomb after them. It also helps if you send a boomerang into the stage to make them cautious about being hit on the return hit.
Can you guys do a top ten (or five) projectiles in smash4? That'd be really interesting. Nice video
Where is ness or Lucas PK fire PK thunder PK flash PK freeze and there whole body is a projectile if used with PK thunder and PSI magnet stops energy base projectiles and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like ness and Lucas exempt in brawl I main Lucas but not ness… God this's comment took a long time!
for villager, u can also add the piece of wood that u get from the tree.
Villager > Diddy > Megaman > Toon Link > ROB > Robin
you over rate duck hunt and link severely tbh
>diddy a better projectile character than villager
>robin the best projectile character
nice meme now lets get serious no ?
< means less than lol. You go from left to right
Or are you also going to use the "I was only pretending to be retarded!" Excuse again
whoa < means less than i never knew that! thanks for teaching me what i already fucking know!
Have you seen Duck Hunt in Japan? Watch Yusan. Also Toon Link > MegaMan and Diddy>>>> Villager.
Diddy? Really?
Not a projectile character. he just has a good projectile.
Not really a projectile character, but greninja's shurikens are surprisingly good. It's fast, can be charged l, it's a combo move and a kill move, and it can condition opponents to shield.
9:54 "give us your OPEENION" nice little ZeRo meme there cfive.
Just to note, with Duck Hunt, 2 out of 3 active hitboxes come out on frame 1, and those are Can and Frisbee
It's Metal Blade, not Razor blade. Do you research! It's name is in his custom specials(I think).
You think? Jesus kid do your research.
You guys made the right call for #1. I was surprised to not see Pac Man on this list though.
pac-man isn't even an honorable mention?
come on maaan.
Shoo hoo, I Know!
As a side note: Megaman's Leaf Shield has priority over most proyectiles because of the 4 hitbox that it has, i always use it against spamers like Link Arrows and something like, the Leaf Shield loses 1 and hits with the other 3
I feel like a lot of people forget that Luma counted by the game as a projectile.
Oh yeah Luma and Friend best projectile since Luma can throw Friend.
TheDookieDropper Why just reflect it...WHEN YOU CAN STYLE ON IT?! Things that should never work on any human work on Luma and it's fucking hilarious!
Luma is a projectile? Imagine Villager pocket Luma...
净心堂 Luma: MAMA I’M GETTTING ABDUCTED-MRRRMPHHHHH
I remember watching you at 40,000 subs and now your almost 100,000 congrats
9:50 Give me your oPEENion...Beefy's been watch ZeRo videos huh
DHD has to be my favourite projectile character, so much fun to use. Very glad to see him being acknowledged here as one of the best projectile characters. :]
This comment section in a nutshell:
people who don't know about Pac Man thinks he's underrated because of some Pac Man they saw before
people who don't know about DH complain about DH's placement (hint: watch You3, Brood, and Raito)
Pac-Man is definitely one of the best, if not the best projectile users in the game, and this is from someone who plays him on the daily.
Monochrome Soul with that logic, I can say that DH is the best projectile character in the game because I play him daily
Doc Roobi Okay but PacIS one the best with his projectiles, if anyone is better than him is Megaman and I don't even play him at all.
Monochrome Soul You're providing no reasoning at all. All you're spewing out is bias
I know, but you can't deny Pac-Man s good with projectiles, one of the best, and that's a fact.
Toon Link is not the hero of time, he's the hero of winds.
And twilight princess Link is not the hero of time either he's the hero of twilight.
Melee's link is the hero of time, because he's from ocarina of time. Sorry for all the Zelda lore, but i get really upset if someone says it wrong...
3:36 PREACH!
Boi, we Villager mains are nothing without our pebbles...
Cocoa Pebbles or Fruity Pebbles
+Jibanyan Choco Bars
fruity because the slingshot is GAY ASF
Ine of the main reasons why i main villager (aside from memes)
Happy to see one my main be on this list (Mega Man) and also leaf shield is also good ledge guarding tool because you can drag the opponent down with you then footstool them to get back up while your opponent falls to their death.
Seriously, Pac-Man didn't even make the honorable mentions? I'm appalled.
Just saying Pakk-man is one of the best characters when it comes to projectiles, is there a reason why he isn't on the list?
Monochrome Soul His projectiles have slowish charge and can be used against him. That's it, i guess
So does Link to some extent
Dragon Smash and Beefy Smash Doods uploaded videos today? Today is a good day.
pacman?!?!? :[ he wasn't even an honorable mention
4:18 dont forget that you can ride it from one side of a stage to the other. its also a decent recovery option because if you aren't careful... you will get hit by the rocket.
Do good Duck Hunt players even exist?
yes
Yusan
Maybe.....?
+Nathan Swartzentruber You play Duck Hunt?
+Nathan Swartzentruber By learning him well, you mean not constantly spamming the crap out of projectiles, right?
Even though its not the biggest part of Falco's game, his lasers can be really good if used correctly. People usually never see them as a threat, since most Falco players forget to use them effictively. But if you know how to use them, they can be really annoying. They are mostly used for mindgames and gimps, but can also lock and condition the apponent to do a specific action, like, a airdodge. And if you read it, they are in for a hard punish. Some characters like Ike, Rob, Ness, Little mac and so on, can get thier recovery really screwed over by lasers. And most importantly, using lasers to zone, and fuck up your opponents mommentum or approach, can be really effective too. Overall, lasers are just like Falco players. They seem like they are not dangerous, but can give you one hell of a time if you do not know how to play around them :)
You silly noobs, Little Mac is obviously the best projectile character.
WHAT are you serious? it's Captain falcon!
Can't believe the lack of Lucas. PK Fire and PK Freeze are both amazing spacing/pressure options, and PK Thunder turns your body into the ultimate projectile!
I'm really surprised how beefy smash doors got duck hunt side b wrong. I'm really disappointed in you guys lmfao. It's a shooting clay, not a frisbee
same shit
Whoaaa, congratulations for knowing the difference!! You get the Nobody Cares Award.
Deez _thebest Have I ever.....I thought we were talking about Frisbees here, wtf.
But I'm making a point which is, one is used with a gun and one is used for mainly fun and games. If you were a commentator and said that, you'd probably be looked at weirdly like a guy who said wrong shulk stuff
If there's one thing that I disagree with this list, it's putting Link higher than Toon Link because his projectiles are better. The thing is, that's only the case with Boomberang IMO. Link's arrows might be faster and stronger, but Toon Link's arrows allow for more followups and are extremely good when B-reversed. With bombs, the only advantages Link has is that his is better for recovery. Toon Link's is much better for pressure, followups, and spacing because his faster overall.
Sorry but there is no way that Links projectilegame is better than Toon Links. The fact that Tinks projectiles move slower only helps his zoning game because thus they can stay longer on screen and he can have more of them out at the same time to create a bigger wall between him and his opponent(wich alongside the better framedata is the reason why his arrows are much better than links). His projectile combos are way better than Links because of his mobility and because his bombs are way better. Yeah Links do 1% more damage but you completely ignored that Tinks bombs have a longer fusion time wich means he can hold them longer and doesn't have to pull a new one as frequently as Link. There explosion range is bigger than Links (for unknown reasons) wich is a great trade for just 1% less damage and Tinks mobility allows him to do more things with his bombs like catching his own bombs, though he can't do bombslides wich is an advantage for Link. Toon Links superior projectilegame is the biggest reason for him to be placed above Link in the tier list (often by a few tiers) alongside his mobility, so if his porjectilegame was worse there wouldn't be a real reason to put him over Link, wich means Link is the better character, wich he clearly isn't.
This wasn't meant to shit on you or something like that, just a thing I think you got wrong and thus wanted to reasonably criticize.
But aside from that, keep up the good work guys👍🏻
Leon Saridakis so think is short for toon link
Thx I never could think of a abbreviation for toon link
Holy wall of text... Tldr
I think...
5. Robin
4. Duck Hunt
3. Link & Toon Link (advantages and disadvantages of bombs and booms cancel out eachother imo)
2. Villager
1. the super fighting robot
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C5's voice is like silky smooth almond milk poured onto a velvet placemat inside a fireplace-warmed log cabin with a polar bear rug in the living room
Anyone else think Toon Link should have been somewhere above Big Link?
Wasn't suprised by Mega Man being at the top.
I thought it was really cool when Kamemushi showed us how amazing he can be at EVO.
What I was surprised by is Link being above Toon Link. I personally agree but most people that I talk to would disagree on this.
Pac is whack
Pac sucks and you know it >:(
WHO SAID WE'RE WACK.
I did >: (
Pac is whack
YOU SAID WE'RE WACK? YOU TAKE IT BACK.
No >:C
Always love your choice of music.
Anyone who thinks Pac-Man should be on this list has clearly never played Pac-Man
I main Pacman and I think he should be on this list lol
Oldman Jables His projectile game is godlike. I've been solo-maining him since launch, I feel qualified for talking about this
Pac-Man's projectile game is like Peach's.
Oldman Jables i main pac he should be in honorable mentions
Oldman Jables amen bro. pacman is good but not as a projectile character
The best thing to happen is when you reflect Villager's and Mega Man's F-Smash (even better when his D-Air gets reflected and spikes Mega Man super hard) right at their faces. The kill power on those is absolutely insane.
I'd personally say Ness has the best projectiles because PK flash can deal heavy damage, PK fire can disrupt and give an easy follow up with his bat and his PK thunder can prevent up specials.
I think Lucas should be an honorable mention. He can edgeguard with up and neutral special and his zair (I guess it counts) and side special are great for spacing.
I heard that "opeenion" thrown in there. You can't fool me, ZeRo.
I saw the thumbnail and thought this video was going to be a video on characters who can defend against projectiles the best
rip olimar. he was in the opening segment, but wasnt on the list.
all his smash attacks are projectiles, plus side b
As a PAC main I completely understand why he isn't on this list. Any of his fruit minus the bell can be caught fairly easily. Plus his hydrant can be used again him if not careful. Not good projectile game unless you're playing against an inexperienced player
You guys make great top 5s
diddy kong's neutral special also has kill power when overcharged and is a good follow up to a shield break
Link ahead of Tink? hmmm..... you have a good argument and i know they're close, but i feel like Tink's slower boomerang is an advantage as it leaves the hitbox on the stage longer (plus you can angle it)
"Again to the hero of time"? Toon Link isn't the Hero of Time, he's the Hero of Wind. Just a little correction from a Wind Waker lover. Still an awesome video!
Ask yourself this beefy smash dudes
What do Ridleys Down B
Bayonettas witch time
Ryu’s down B
And Zero Suit Samus down Smash
And mewtwo disable
And jigglypuffa sing
All have in common ?
They can’t Kill all on there own
But they stun the opponent kind of like a semi shield break
You guys need to consider not just what a projectile does
But what’s its effectiveness as a kill move
Ich habe etwas sehr interessantes gefunden: Als ich im Trainingsmodus langeweile hatte, fand ich heraus, dass auf 999 Prozent Der zweite Hit von Lucas N-Air softspiked. Man muss nah an der Ledge stehen, zwischen den Gegner und der Ledge. Dann springt man und nutzt N-Air kurz bevor man landet, sodass man den Gegner trifft. Dieser sollte auf die andere Seite gebracht und gespiked werden. Ich werde bald ein Video hochladen.
Ayy! We Duck Hunt's are actually mentioned for once (in a good way.) Nice.
Ness and Lucas are still highly based on projectiles. I mean, there's PK Fire and it's controllable range, PK Thunder and it's gimping capabilities and PK Freeze/Flash's Edge Guard.
Yet Link and Toon Link are still projectile based, they have exceptional melee, and are still swordfighters, which are known for close combat. They are mainly used for approaching and Edge guarding, whilst Lucas and Ness utilize spacing, edge guard and gimping. Then there's Lucas and Ness' infamous b-airs.
How are they not even mentioned?!
EDIT: By mentioned, I mean put in HONORABLE mentions. Please don't spite me.
Well, shoutout for stylesx2's primary main, very unpredictable projectiles + shield break = punish anyway any shield break tools we don't often use? I mean Falcons f-air and d-air puts a lot of shield pressure on the opponent but both of these air attacks have long landing lag. Even Lucas down smash puts pressure on shield. and any more moves that can be DI/SDIed out of?
6:09: I don't always burn enemies, but when i do, I take out all 3 stocks in one hit
My top us
5-Robin
4-Toon link
3-Samus
2-Link
1-Megaman
Hyrule5Smash :D Samus and tink switch
What puts Toon Link under Link? wtf
VOOMERANG!
The only consistent use of Toon Link arrow I see is the fire custom one, mostly as edge guard
The t shirts are here!!! yay they look so cool
"Give us your oPEEneon" shots fired at zero XD
As a Pac-Main, I reluctantly understand why he's not even an honorable mention. -If I had a dollar for everytime someone caught my bonus fruit with a whiffed dash attack or panic air dodge...or kicked the fire hydrant back at my FACE...-
**sees Palutena on thumbnail**
Me: **having memories of Auto Reticle spammers**