Is It Trapping? NO!
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- Is trapping the close combat tactic in Bruce Lee's Kune Do. Most think it is, but is it?
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Many wing chun/early jkd people would argue that you can develop fast trapping to out punch your opponent. You can be even faster by removing the steps and simplify regardless of skill.
True but it's a very minimal list of who actually put the work in to actually accomplish it like Bruce or even in there own way and body type.
A boxer would never question this logic, only traditional guys need to be convinced for some reason.
We can't convince everyone. Not everyone has an understanding for combat, like in everything else.
Wash your mouth with 🧼 soap
@@Kane-ez Excuse me?
@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO
Looks like you offended him.
@@Kane-ezWing Chun tries to lock into something already launched….JKD anticipates motion before it leaves the starting blocks and nails first. (Paul)
Another well illustrated video on Jeet Kune Do. Simple direct and efficient. Jkd IFO.
Wonderful teaching thanks Sensei
*Hahaha, "Wing Chun?" that was funny. The thing is that people confuse the JKD schools to the Jun Fan Gung Fu schools which teach you trapping and that's why they don't learn the pure JKD. Also, because in some cities there are no pure JKD schools. The Ted Wong lineage is good, but many go to the Dan Inosanto one because it's the only option.*
@@MartialArtsMoves .. could explain why jkd factions are continually arguing with each other
@@axelstone3131 jun fan gung fu, like the name says, it was the bruce lee kung fu with the boxing wing chun and fencing. JKD is the evolution
@@franconovella6931 I’m well aware of the difference man.
Ok...,gotta admit ..., even demonstrated SLOW, it looked fast, slippery, non wasted movement, non-stop continuous attack and defense meshed into one.
Shows why Tommy Carruthers drills lately has been like these:
Punch , get blocked, move around impediment with continuous attack to what ever is closest target.
Should probably start a category/series block of videos with this one and some made in the past titled:
" Why Bruce Lee Threw away Wing Chun, Chi Sao & Trapping AND is no longer part of JKD."
Also, this notion of boxers "trapping" is nonsense, for one, it's a sport with SAFETY rules, so some stuff cannot be taken seriously for life-defending street combat.
Two, most boxers are rolling & slipping with some unplanned, untrained blocking as they simultaneously roll before throwing a counterattack, which makes it look somewhat similar to trapping.
When a boxer is in trouble, and he tries to block or hold a hand or arm back, he gets in MORE trouble because the average boxers both shakes loose and/or go AROUND the impediment like some of the moves in this video.
This video should be pinned somewhere, clearest, multiple examples of why blocking, trapping is too unrealistic, too inefficient and too slow for even the most unskilled attacker.
He's not going to throw ONE attack, stop, don't move feet or hands, and WAIT for you to do your dojo techniques.
Gonna have to watch this several more times..., it's that good, folks, Real JKD..., ZERO nonsense and ZERO wasted, powerless motions.
We are giving to much away here for free, but the 40 years of misinformation about jkd is hard to overcome if you don't inform people.
@@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO
Yep, for sure.
If someone were to simply take to heart and seriously imitate/train on JUST the videos on this channel without understanding the nuances of body mechanics , distribution of forces, weight, etc .,..,
....they would be ahead of 75%-90% of martial artists who have trained for years right now...., especially if they intensely train their tools near their maximum, like isometrics, bands, etc.,.
Bruce tossed stuff that doesn't work in the real world of fighting, yet , these guys desperately want to hang on stuff that simply doesn't work for reals.
Find some serious amateur boxer that has trained for even one or two months, have him put on some kenpo gloves and head gear while you do the same, pay him $5 everytime he can score on you when you attempt to pak sao, lop sao & trap his attack.
IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN.
Even on a beginner or untrained attacker trying to take yo head off, that shit ain't gonna work.
Even when wing chun vs wing chun compete in open contest, they can't pull ANY of that trapping, pak sao off..., it just look like two untrained kickboxers trying to fight each other, don't care if they are black belts or masters IN Wing Chun.
Against other styles, they get destroyed from the first second on, like that video of Aikido "master"...,shit don't work in the real world of fighting...., even WITH sport rules...,no sport rules, forget about it.
A lot of these so-called "JKD'ers" are doing JunFan mixed with Filipino stuff..., nothing to do with JKD.
So if Bruce Lee called all three of his schools and told Taky Kimura, Dan Lee and James Lee to STOP teaching Chi Sao and throw that stuff out, how do you figure you know more than Bruce Lee and the direction he was taking JKD ???
Adding techniques is The Classic Mess...,not JKD.
Problem no.1 is, people thing more is better. But less is more in reality. Because only few things do realy work, the majority of ma techniques are just unpractical. Cut them out.
@@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO
Tommy put it nicely on his Facebook video...., simplicity DOESN'T SELL to the masses or even the dedicated learner of combat.
Most are truly dedicated to the SPORT aspect of martial arts.
ONLY at IFO, with exhaustive demonstrations, did I learn & FINALLY realized and know for a FACT that less is "infinitely" more.
Way more moves and unlimited options in stripping down than adding and having a SEPARATE technique for every scenario, which doesn't work with any consistency or reality.
Great video! Thx
Great video Thomas 👍🏻
great explanation!
Hi.Sifu
So it's quicker to shoot than to grab the arm?
you grab arm and then hit, slower than hit.
you grab arm and hit at the same time, you compromise your hitting power.
Yep, evasion and countering is better if possible and you also have more punching or kicking power because of the momentum of your move into the hit while evading.
Traditional is good for learning body mechanics, but it's not good for learning how to fight. Body mechanics can help you get better at fighting, but the knowledge is not a replacement for the muscle memory of actually hitting and getting hit. When you develop the latter, you stop focusing on the former, because the latter has a more practical application. The former is more esoteric, repetitive, and the application is limited. A martial arts style is just a different type of training wheels, they can help you get going, but if you rely on them you're really just holding your own potential back.
Don't learn that what you have to unlearn.
@@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO Gotta learn something, we aren't born knowing.
@@rolandotillit2867 Hopfuly its nor shit.
Ottimo video , sono completamente d'accordo con la tua filosofia di jkd , il tuo lignaggio è quello di Ted Wong ? 👍🙂
Tommy Carruthers
@@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO thanks a lot
@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO
What is the main difference between Ted Wong JKD, and Tommy's?
@zetareticulan321 ted is more toward sport application, tommy pure street application.
@@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO - I'm on the Ted Wong lineage and my instructor is only training the street defense style. Never for combat sports. The only thing he doesn't do correctly, which apparently Ted Wong said it's what Bruce last said when they trained, is the on guard position with the rear hand protecting the chin to the side and not a half open palm forward facing. Unfortunately Bruce isn't around to confirm that he really changed it, so we can't know for sure. Maybe his daughter Shannon knows.
Well done mate 👌
You don't see the value of trapping simply because you aren't a grappler
The trapping and chi sao of wing chun are very usefull in the clinch/pummeling of muay thai or wrestling
Look at the coach erik paulson and the way that he use the concepts of trapping and chi sao for the mma game
That must be it. Clinching in the street.
@jasontodd3042
When it comes to the street, one should not use the mma approach since that is designed around rules and sport. Trapping to a grappler is a bad idea, why copy the opponent when you can use techniques they don’t train. For example when someone is grappling you, their arms are preoccupied and you can strike back especially hitting areas like groin and eyes.
@@SuperMaryu767 for sure, but in this case there Is no more a martial art
Is only a self defense prospective
Even the sparring Is a sport type of training, but without It we all know how many fake masters we found
You have to train everything you can to become an effective martial artist, and after that you specialize to the self defense scenario
@jasontodd3042
Why train everything if it’s going to be reduced to some simple techniques? Waste of time to train stuff then rejecting it compared to training stuff that is simple and direct. Why not reduce in the first place since in a fight, one is not going to process all the things he train. That is why Bruce was way ahead since he knew how the mind worked when under pressure. Classical mess = too many techniques and styles.
@@SuperMaryu767 but you mess the point
How did he get there?
He studied Wing chun, boxing, savate, grappling and many other arts and After all of these he created his jkd
But he have the experience to do that
A lot of people pretend to do jkd but they have 0 experience in martial arts
😂
@@gunnerhiro394 something funny?
Thomas🎉
Boxer use trapping juste not traditionnal trapping, ans what about way or timing toi trap, you always talk about trapping when someone block but i see boxer trap before the Guy punch or after or while he punch what about that trapping ???
Made video about that years long time ago... that has nothing to do with that classical stuff, nor is it a reason to train this classical inconvenience. And ist only applied when the the other fighter is inactive.
Ok yes Classical trapping does not work but non Classical like no style King of trapping does work then right ?@@ThomasMarxJeetKuneDoIFO