I am dissapointed too that people talk about kojima as if he alone made silent hill , i want to see Masahiro Ito design new Silent Hill and Akira Yamaoka to make music for it.
Team Silent as a collective are remembered rather than one individual director. Unfortunately, that band's been permanently disbanded. What's sad is that Google doesn't acknowledge the group as a whole in the search results for the "creator of Silent Hill", because it was really all of them that were responsible.
Personally, what's really missing from the western-developed SH's is they key ingredient in Japanese horror: subtlety. Onslaughts of fully lit monsters that you can cleave down aren't scary. What comes back to me when I close my eyes to sleep at night isn't Pyramid Head's design, or the gory scenes, and definitely not Lisa - it's SH2's careful sound design. The knocks, bangs, scraping, static and little sounds that overwhelm you when you walk down a road in SH2. The realisation that these sounds don't just go away when you close the game: that's actually what a fairly empty road sounds like at night, just dialled up to 11. That's the sort of thing that has me making sure the blackout curtains are shut at 3am.
I couldn't agree more with you. It is waaaaaay better to let the imagination fill the gaps. Remember the mall in SH3? Damn those noises haunted me for years
Yeah i agree 100%. Americans cant do horror like Japan does. Even shitty eastern horror is just as terrifying as some of the best of western horror. And subtlety is absolutely the key to that.
I mean, horror *can* work both ways, but I won't deny the fact that they tried doing it again and again, so I think the way they are doing it isn't working... Mysterious and threatening is a potent combo, it's just not the things they are either going for, or managing to implement in a successful manner. My two cents.
They probably made Alessa the source of evil in Silent Hill Origins because Alessa was also depicted as the source of the town's evil in the Silent Hill movie that came out in 2006. It seems like a lot of the problems that some of the later SH games had stemmed from the devs trying to copy that movie.
@@NowhereBeats Yeah, IMO all the Western SH stories fail because they try to be SH2, specifically they try to ape the twist ending of SH2 without getting why that twist works so well: First, the game didn't give the twist away in some thin veiled foreshadowing. Second, the previous game wasn't famous for its mind blowing twist, so there wasn't any expectations going in. That's why I hate ppl that tries to diss SH3 for not going the "personal hell" route of SH2, bc the western SH games shows how predictable the stories would become if they keep retreading the same thing at every game.
@@LEONOX233 that’s what I thought silent hill downpour did so very well: It took the formula from silent hill to an actually delivered very well without repeating that formula point by point. Because needless to say silent hill 2 was one of the greatest in the series
When I heard Christopher Gans was going to direct Silent HIll film, I was excited. I've enjoyed some of his other films that were released in the US. But in my joy, I forgot that while he was a great visual director, from a story telling perspective, they're just sort of basic. His films don't have a whole lot of meaning, other than be fun to watch. So it shouldn't have surprised me that he nailed the visual look of the game (don't deny it. His 'otherworld' looked spot on), but failed at the deeper narrative present in the games.
like, not to defend a film that shouldn't have been called SH, but Alessa... is not the source of the evil in the town? it's constantly implied that the Thing that took her shape is NOT alessa, but the town, or evil itself (not satan/the demon etc, it's basically just evil & death itself), it just took her likeness bc it was easy to fool her into manifesting her revenge. yeah i don't think it should have been called silent hill but the way it's intentionally misunderstood kind of bothers me sometimes
@@stuartcaffrey2949 Mediocre? METAL GEAR SOLID = 94 Metacritic METAL GEAR SOLID 2: SONS OF LIBERTY = 96 Metacritic METAL GEAR SOLID 3: SUBSISTENCE = 94 Metacritic METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS = 94 Metacritic METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN = 95 Metacritic You might not like them, but that's all up to your contrarian taste, the quality of the games are undeniable if ALL the reviews put together average over 90 out of 100.
@@ihavenomouthandimustmeme6928 >using reviews from game "journalists" as an argument ouch. and i LIKE mgs4, but implying it or V are as phenomenal as MGS3 or Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is insane.
"Nobody's even talking about Pyramid Head" Is that really a bad thing? Ever since the movie turned him into an "icon" for the series, Pyramid Head got overexposed big time, getting shoved into stories that had absolutely no business featuring him, and other games attempting to replicate his presence through cheap knockoffs. It's even gotten to the point that Ito himself said he would find a way to kill off the character if given the chance. That really speaks volumes when a creator is so tired of seeing one of their characters so much that they want to destroy them.
@@Ghenry I don't know, I'd rather have a character who was getting overhyped to the point of exhausting the love and patience of fans getting overshadowed by a bit character from a teaser who might not have even been involved in the full game. It's not as though everybody's forgotten about Pyramid Head, he just isn't the hotness anymore when it comes to Silent Hill discussion. At least this means we might not have to worry about any potential future game trying to shoehorn another pointless cameo or cheap imitator that devalues the purpose of the original, in Pyramid Head's case that is.
If you’re just glancing at what amounts to a eh game that doesn’t really appeal to anyone other than it previous fans and if the only other horror title you played was the OTHER major franchise that is big on action and has monster really called Nemesis... yeah everyone’s only Going to pay attention to the guy with the metal Pyramid on his head and the Giant knife.
They also really watered him down to "scary man big helmet bigger knife" when in his first outing he was pretty weird, with flesh bulging out of the helmets bottom to hint at weird anatomy, him looking around with his hands and pulling open the big slot on his head to... smell? That's what I like about pyramid head, not big helmet big knife, but his inhuman nature if you look a little closer.
lmao facts. Pyramid head shouldnt show up anywhere that doesnt involve James. Like all the shit that happens is supposed to be unique to whoever the focus of the story is. Now we got heather and pyramid head in dbd when it should actually be James.
I'm glad you brought up responses to how people are reacting to a new SH without Kojima. I enjoyed his games, but people seem to forget what the SH series was like with the first 4 titles.
@@Ghenry That destroys me cause ya, I was interested to see how he would handle it, but I was more interested in fuckin Guillermello Del Toro and Junji Ito working on a Silent Hill game then him.
@Rando I worry about the future of the franchise but I'd definetly sound like a kojima hater to you I guess, despite me being a metal gear fan too. It's just they are different fruits, and although I love metal gear for what it is... it shows many weaknesses in Kojima that he never improved upon, but rather worsened, like his overexposition long rambling goofy memeable iconic philosophic existential hyperdimensional midboggling dialogue. That stuff would destroy silent hill, I can imagine him putting this corny stuff in a scene and it ruining the whole damn thing, him explaining the history of the town and how it relates to cold war events and to the future of mankind and hegel's, zola's, weber's etc. theory of the human condition etc etc. I don't care about that at all, that stuff killed me in metal gear solid already lol. Other than I really disliking his gameplay sometimes, it gets very repetitive. But the worst would be the emotionally shallow characterization he has. Like I said in another comment, Silent Hill tells a much more moving and profound story by just using the right words, the right way. Imagine him writing the character of Walter Sullivan for example. Again, I'm still a fan of early MGS, but it's not the same style. It's like asking Tarantino to remake a Hitchcock, Bergman or even worse a Tarkovski film. He can't do that, it'd become his own thing. Kojima should do Kojima projects only, that's where he can himself as much as he loves to. I guess a Kojima game is already my own version of silent hill lmfao, so I shouldn't be complaining so much, since it'd be a silent hill game either way :P
I think the main reason these people think that Kojima made Silent Hill is because that game is all they know. They were most likely born after those games came out. Honestly, it might just be the fact that Kojima is one of the rare few game devs who’s name is actually well known. So when people saw that PT was not only canceled, but a man and all of his employees were practically ousted from the company that was funding the game, they couldn’t help but be upset.
I've played my first silent hill game in 2015(silent hill origin's) and seeing these characters these concepts was an amazing experience So i got curious and did some research on the game and I've found out it was one of the worst silent hills And then a year after origins I've played silent hill 1 and I've never in my life been so scared. But now i look at the modren horror games and say(*what happened?)
I've never played the Silent hill series and my first real point of intrigue into the series was when PT came out, well I got some exposure due to the movies, but all I thought as a kid was "They're psychological horror and they're damn scary" and I thought it was kinda like the RE series which was the one I did know about both for the games and the movies. But I definitely was a little confused when PT came, I knew that Kojima was someone knew, because I knew that he was from Metal Gear Solid and I didn't associate him with a horror franchise. But that's only because of previous exposure to the series and a hunch that Kojima didn't make silent hill titles behind our backs all that time. A good thing about that is I was driven to learn more about the series (note: my mom really didn't like horror, nor games, and I only had hand-me-down games on my PS2 and eventually my PS3. The closest I got to playing Silent Hill was watching top clips on RUclips around 2012.) and now that I have more knowledge it does sadden me a bit, definitely not as much as those who knew about Team silent before, but it does bamboozle me a bit to see those twitter posts or things acting like they're backlash to the series, but they don't know any better, PT isn't the only Silent Hill and we barely got a game out of it even, who knows how good the rest of it would have been, and at that, how faithful Kojima would have done it? I'm pretty sure if Hideo continued on the project it would've hailed a success, but I feel the fact that He didn't continue this and the game's story got spread around so much that it ended up overshadowing the earlier titles and especially the work of the first developers who started it all. People nowadays hail back to that Norman Reedus screenshot when they think of Silent Hill, or they just think of P.T. This definitely makes me want to buy Silent Hill and play it on my PS2 for the first time, and knowing that I won't be a youngin this time I could probably handle psychological horror And if I were to be playing Silent Hill back then I would indeed be too young to have played the first up to the third Silent Hill since I wouldn't even be able to read, the most-likely games I would have played would be the PS3 titles or those going from 2007-2012, but alas, I did not get to cherish such game experiences.
Sometimes another culture's take on a genre can make the most interesting things, I think Silent Hill did a lot of that. Dark Souls is another example, it's very much a Japanese horror interpretation of western medieval fantasy.
Silent Hill and Dark Souls have a lot in common story wise, i could argue that with a lot of mental gimnastics they could even exist in the same universe if You take into consideration sh3 theology of the cult that states that humanity is trapped in an endless cycle of pain and suffering, so they pleaded to the god and god took pity on humanity and wanted to grant humanity death, not as a punishment but as a gift, such is the paradise the cult would have descend upon the world, death for humans, that would imply that our souls cannot die and linger in pain like in Sh4 or reincarnte like Alessa in Cheryl and Heather and the unamed baby. Much like in Dark Souls we are undead, destined to respawn and die again and again.
@@baroquechevalier8516 well, some of the blame for that has to be placed on Capcom for pushing NT further than their original concept art, which is much closer to the original series, but was according to Capcom, not "western enough".
"for Homecoming therer's nothing positive" wait hold on, have you heard the soundtrack? it also has a few cool monsters designs, at least they aren't all human-like like in Downpour
@@oMaruMesmo Scarlet was actually pretty damn creepy when I first fought her. Her entrance was pretty well done. She's the best designed monster in not only that game, but in the entire line up of western developed "Silent Hill" entries.
Right? "Witchcraft" Is a total Jam, One More Soul to the Call has maybe my favorite Akira's guitar work... As for the monster desing , i'll say the bosses were pretty good, at least they weren't an uninspired bland reskin of creatures from the original 3 games...
"Silent Hill will never be the same without Kojima." WHAT IF I TOLD YOU that Kojima has never been involved in a Silent Hill game (that was actually released). Seriously, who the hell are these people?
I saw the comments and was at complete loss Kojima barely was involved in PT anyways. these people just liked the shlock easy to digest simple themes of MG and think that applies to Silent Hill.
Downpour's disadvantage is that it was released as a Silent Hill title. If it was just called "Downpour" and was some kind of allegory about alcoholism or guilt people would probably call it a Silent Hill derivative but still find it overall pretty good. Holding it up to the first four entries of a powerhouse franchise, though, and it feels like the top end of the lower half of a STEEEEEEEP curve of quality. It's a shame because Downpour has some really great moments and ideas in it, but it can't really exist on its own.
@@Mafon2 actually most of Vatra Game was veteran devs who made Mafia and Mafia II, they have talent just ask Konami about the time and money Vatra Games was given
AM I the only guy who enjoyed rolling around and pretending I'm link from zelda, but with Alex? xD homie Alex was the most OP silent hill mc of them all, and I swear thats what people remember the most, the wacky knife combos and shit. Lmao
Same! I was so upset when that potential horror-masterpiece combo of a production got cancelled. Love Junji Ito, his work would've fit in so well into a Silent Hill game.
Fellow Michael, you'll be happy to know that Kojima's working on a new horror game with Ito comicbook.com/gaming/news/hideo-kojima-junji-ito-horror-game-silent-hills-ps5-playstation/?fbclid=IwAR2E1si_Eb9CD24zGol_u85egLSvcV3tSCPEEzS2gZqXCSyXkTSMjz4GGWw
I'm going to be honest, I never expected Kojima to make a _real_ Silent Hill game. I lost hope for that years and years ago. But I was very excited for Silent Hills, because even if Kojima would have been a terrible match for this particular franchise, at least here would be a Silent Hill game with actual heart and character and charm. That would have been enough for me: Kojima's silly weird-ass take on a beloved franchise. But if he had been the mind behind it from the beginning? I think we'd be missing out on something very special.
@@DarthFennec The nice thing about silent hill is it SHOULD allow for different interpretations and styles...most of us fans are happy if what we get is just good...but that's hasn't really been the case since PS2.
@@Sammo212 I agree with you but I must disagree that it hasn’t been as good since PS2. I believe silent hill downpour was a worthy successor to the awesomeness of the original formula. homecoming was good but I think it founded a little bit and shattered memories I think was a very unique gem.
You have some fair point about shattered memories but I'd say that playing Harry instead of Cheryl in the exploration segment of the game was more meaningful cuz Cheryl was basically imaging his father trying to find her still cuz that's how much she loved him and clings to him and it makes the ending more impactful and satisfying
I remember the days when Silent Hill 4 was considered the black sheep of the series. Now it's a God damn masterpiece compared to the shit show that came after. I'm so glad that Kojima's project was canceled and he ended up doing his own thing. It ended up working out for pretty much all parties and we can only hope nobody else who doesn't know shit about the series tries to pick it up again.
@@Klef_Takis I don't hate Silent Hill 4, mind you. It's biggest strength was the story and uncovering the mystery. Gameplay-wise, though, it felt a bit off compared to the first three entries. As we all ended up learning, however, considering the entries we got afterwards, telling an actual good story that fits what Silent Hill is about is infinitely preferable. I'll take escorting Eileen over stupid mirror-warping or pointless, unfulfilling side quests any day.
I'd rather play Homecoming than 4. 4 is such a chore to play... Even if the concept of the game is brilliant and it has some neat mechanics like first person for your own room and the progression of it, I just hate to actually play. I haven't even finished it once yet. I've beaten the trilogy dozens of times, I even beat Homecoming once (the game didn't keep my interest too much) but 4 is just there half finished.
@Jordan Ghill Imagine being so offended by someone else's take on the series that you have to project your own hurt feelings onto someone else. Laughing face emoji ecks-dee!
Fun Fact : Homecoming was originally labeled as Silent Hill 5. It was later on named Silent Hill 5 : Homecoming before just being called Silent Hill Homecoming. Probably Konami didn't even want the game to be labeled numerically because it's not a Team Silent thing.
Fun fact: It's actually Konami that's running the franchise into the ground, and ordered those games from outside "cheaper " studio's for a quick cash grab...
One thing the Team Silent games shared, they NEVER relied on jumpscares. They focused on creating a terrifying environment, creepy soundtracks and chilling psychological elements.
The anger behind the Poisoned Well section was palpable and absolutely justified. It’s even more infuriating when realizing that Konami’s mishandling of the older games makes it even harder to fight those misconceptions by making the original four far less accessible in their intended forms than they should be.
i'm in the camp that you shouldn't touch anything but 1-4, AND Shattered Memories, SM was actually really good, nowhere near the originals, but it actually made me feel things, sadness, fear, confusion, etc. also SM gave me my fav SH song, Acceptance.
Kojima could've directed a good Silent Hill game in my opinion considering how a lot of his games really like toying with the player and taking practically every potential action on their part into account. But it would've been a fundamentally different experience than what Team Silent gave us. Because he isn't Team Silent. Unfortunately, the reason Kojima's name overshadows the original Silent Hill's director is because of how much more prevalent Kojima's name is in the online space, and how much more meme'd it became with Silent Hills' cancellation. Every game Toyama is involved with has to be specifically marketed as "from the director of Silent Hill" because players aren't as familiar with his name.
Kojima would've been an absolutely horrible choice for Silent Hill. He has the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I actually enjoy games, not the glorified movies makes now.
@@alphabroncotwozero392 Kojima ALWAYS was a pretty hack writer with an extreme emphasis on cutscenes what are you on about. MGS4 is notorius for them. He is a bad for Silent Hill but that doesn't mean I don't want him to do a horror game, he should, just his own title.
As far as i'm concerned Kojima stopped making good games after MGS4, hell MGSV had a 80 million usd budget and barely anything was properly done on that game, then the flop that is Death Stranding cemented to me that he lost his mojo.
If there's one positive to Homecoming, I would say some of the bosses look cool. The last one and Scarlet are pretty creepy looking, and they have some symbolic ties to the characters they represent. Not particularly deep ones, but they still delivered the creeps
I have to admit I thought homecoming was a bit of a mixed bag but still a good cylon whole game. And the fact that the bosses were actually the murdered children of the cult leaders I thought was downright disturbing
The way too obvious to be actually creepy. Plus the fact that most team silent games monsters tie into the bad guys background. In Silent Hill, they're tied to Alessa's background and we're supposed to think that she's the bad guy. In Silent Hill 3, they're tied to Claudia's background and she's the bad guy. In Silent Hill 4, they're tied to Walter's background and he's the bad guy.
@@stevenrith2386 so what? I enjoy more Origins than Silent Hill 3( is very good too), and that is wat matters for me. The soundcracks are amazing like the others, the gameplay and Graphics is Ok for a PSP game, and the story remembers the first Two games, so I Have No reason to deslike this game. And Shaterred Memories the Soundtrack is spetacular, gameplay and graphics is good in all consoles, and I like the Choices System very interesting seeing this in a Silent Hill game. But if you dont like those games, fine too.
Honestly I think SM gets a lot of hate because people think it's trying to "rewrite" the original franchise, which is not. It's just a spin-off structured more like a suspense thriller and tried a lot of new stuff, which should be respected. It's definitely a freaky outlandish horror tale, but it feels like a very personal story that might hit close home to many. I really liked the game, and the music was amazing, I also like how it changes so much each time I revisit it.
I love that you actually go into depth as to why the western games are bad. Most people are just like, western SH bad haha. But it's so much more than just them being bad. In all of them save for homecoming, you can see that the developers clearly had some idea of what they wanted to do, but they just aren't very good at designing the environments, or lacing the story through the world in a subtle yet effective way. In SH 3 there was a lot of information that was conveyed to you, but only if you actually paid attention, otherwise it was just a fairly simple story. Take for example the hospital level, where you had the optional choice to read through stanleys messages to heather which were plain terrifying but also subtly warned you to the danger of leonard. Finding out that stanley was dead the entire time once you go to the otherworld made the whole area feel even more terrifying. The western games didn't really ever achieve anything like that, they had sidequests, but none of them were meaningful or even linked to the main overarching story.
I don't want to blame it only on culture but I think I do want to blame it on a lack of understanding of good writing. The reason I say that os because if you look at for example Jacobson's Ladder which is a strong inspiration for the original series, or Twin Peaks by Lynch, you definitely see a lot of that uncanny valley sensation of things not being quite right in the writing. I mention these sources since they're explicitly western. The original 4 games understood this and knew how to capture that feeling in the writing. It places a greater emphasized on introspection and the meaning of relationships especially with regards to what is real and unreal. There's a sense that you can never really trust your perspective o f reality which makes everything feel very uncanny. A lot of the horror comes from that I think, because it creates an existential anxiety where the player is made uncomfortable with themself. I honestly think that if we're looking for comparative horror games albeit with very different atmospheres, Frictional Games games really get this. The sort of existential dread Soma leaves you with haunts you for days. Again western studio. The problem with non-Team Silent games is that they just don't understand to understand what scares people, especially in the genre of psychological horror. Even Bloodborne understood this and we're talking FromSoftware which only has one other horror game to name under their belt. I mean I'm not going to say that culture does not play role at all be I think it does, because a lot of Japanese games just feel, for the lack of a better word, quirky, when they try to incorporate a western perspective through the narrative.
What really broke my heart was Mary Elizabeth McGlynn acting on possible decades of jealousy from just singing on the Silent Hill soundtrack, railroading the original voice actors of Silent Hill 2 and 3 in favor of herself and her anime industry pals on the "HD" remaster, and then shitting all over the work those original VAs did to make her and the one-voice wonders look good on the convention publicity circuit.
Ghenry, I totally see what drives you making this kind of videos. Passion, just like with Dead Rising. It's not, like many think, because you're a die hard fan of old games (DR1, SH1 to 4) but rather that you appreciate the work and passion the devs put on making those games, the small details and such. Keep it up man!!
Personally I loved Shatter memories I felt it was a great game in its own right and it gave us a new version of Silent Hill instead of retreading old ground. I felt very touched with it's ending much more then other silent hills ( but that is most like due to the fact I lost a relative when I was young). But I get why people didn't like it it was very different form the reste of series. Great video by the way.
Lucien Lachance My father committed suicide a few months prior to me playing Shattered Memories. I went into it blind and wasn’t able to guess the plot twist. When it finally happened I felt so touched by the game’s story that it has since become one of my favorites ever. I can see why some don’t like it, but when you separate it from SH I think it’s a genuinely great game.
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 Thank you for your comment and I am sorry for your lose. I didn't see the plot twist coming either. I could agree more with you about the game. thanks again and take care.
I'm pretty sure in an alternate reality Shattered Memories would've been a DmC-like reboot of the whole series. Also, if it was a movie, it would be really good.
"The monsters look like something out of Manhunt." Hey, makes sense to me. Manhunt's designs were imprisonment and oppression themed, it looks like what Guantanamo Bay survivors would have nightmares of. The enemies in Downpour felt that way to me as well. The enemies all share a common trait of being both twisted and aggressive in the same way as well.
I don't really get the SM hate in the video and actually all this internet hate train on the game. The game never tried to be SH1 Remake, it was always meant to be a revision of the universe from the first game. Loved the psycological aspect, loved the fourth wall breaks back to back from the therapist to the gameplay and how it affected the world around you, it was actually scary and intriguing and well paced. A lot more you could say about SH4 tbh
Shattered Memories' reflections of your choice were shallow. Like that monster that saw the shape of its head change based on indicators like sex, religion, alcohol/drugs. It was a neat idea I just think it was poorly executed. I also hated how often you were being chased around like it was Crash fucking Bandicoot and there wasn't a scary element to be found.
@@Ghenry Your video still seems to be discussing this game almost like it's meant to be in the same universe of the original games but it's pretty obviously not and in a different timeline/universe from the original series. It may not have been a masterpiece but it was at least a potentially good foundation for an alternate timeline for new SH to work from. I mean lets be realistic that by the time origins and SH homecoming came out the SH story was convoluted at best. From game 1 it was really but by 5 it was just....confusing. In my opinion really the issue with shattered memories was that it was to short and therefore did not have time to full realize and expand on some of the excellent ideas it had gameplay and story wise. Some of the puzzles, while being to easy, were fairly fun and made good use of the controls on the wii and could have been interesting, again if the puzzles had been given more time to expand on them. I do wonder how much of that is development issues we dont know about caused by konami given how bad it is to work with konami as reported by many people who worked for them especially on the SH series (see the development issues with SH HD remakes for an example).
GhenryPerez Looking back that really wasn't the best word to use in here, yeah. Didn't mean to resume your thoughts as "LOL I HATED IT". What i meant to say was only that i disagree with this view of the game, but absolutely it's still important to have different views on media. After all this time SM is the Silent Hill i still think of besides SH2 as what made the series interesting, to me at least. It showed how the series could still be relevant and push the medium forward somehow. Still liked the video and love your chanel c:
I feel like the best thing that came out of Silent Hill Homecoming was it's enemy and boss designs especially the Scarlet Doll boss, personally that is one of the creepiest monsters I've seen in any game and the music that plays when you fight it fits perfectly.
Homecoming was a disaster but some of the boss designs were interesting like the one you mentioned and Asphyxia or whatever her name was, the one that died by suffocation and to hurt her you actually have to remove the hands from her throat and force her to breathe.
@@chrisossu2070 I remembered that Keiichiro Toyama, creator of the Silent Hill series and Forbidden Siren, expressed his admiration for Remothered and hoped to collaborate with Chris Darril.
I watched an LP of Shattered Memories and I really liked that. I like the more experimental games like this and The Room. I think Shattered Memories tells a good tale and that it's not "classic" Silent Hill should not be held against it, lest you get more pretenders like Homecoming.
I was excited for a kojima silent hill because he is an autuer, and because he had junji ito and del torro on board. When he is passionate he tends to devote his full energy into a project and it always creates something interesting... Then we get mgs4 and mgs5 which we know he didn't want to make and riddled with complaints. I would love team silent to come back. But honestly even with them I wouldn't trust konami at this point.
@Christopher Marlowe Its not that no one likes Kojima. It's when people keep hyping him as if he was the original creator of Silent Hill himself and that no one else can do the game justice is what a lot of people have a problem with. This is the case that's being made and it's something I've seen too much in social media and other areas.
i played only 1, 4 and downpour (i liked the latter too) and liked to see longplays of 2 and 3, i hope to see a new silent hill one day, hoping that the "sony acquired konami IPs" rumor is true tho. btw, a playable teaser was the best horror experience than every single horror game of the 2010s, i still cry for silent hills cancellation... junji ito was the enemy designer for god sake :(
I love Shattered Memories, but you have to divorce it from the series' trappings to really appreciate it. It's a moody and atmospheric, more of an experience than a game; it's an early "walking sim" that absolutely nails the exploratory sections even if the chase sequences are formulaic and admittedly tiring. I think the vague, dreamlike feel adds to the sense of isolation, and the twist surprised me personally, framing the game more as a tribute to SH3. In that respect, as its own independent game, Shattered Memories does not work as well as it should. But its story beats are relatable, its characters understated but poignant, and its ambience is powerful, and as a revisiting of the original games, I can't really think of something more suitable.
"I try to look at the best in everything now" Would have surprised me considering how hard you trashed on everything western silent hill. Even the movie lmao
GhenryPerez I think you went too hard on Shattered Memories. Viewing it as it’s own piece instead of connected to the original I think it honestly is a great game. I completely disagree with your takes on both the story and exploration. I loved the gameplay loop and it didn’t feel formulaic at all to me. I personally did not guess the twist and the story really hit me hard due to having a father who recently committed suicide. To this day Shattered Memories has one of my favorite video game stories. The only valid criticism I subscribed to for it is that the chase sequences were bad all around.
I saw somewhere that supposedly konami wants to make multiple silent hill games one with kojima and one with members of the original team. It is probably fake news but I hope they actually do it. What you mentioned at the end about indy games makes me want to ask a question. Are you ok with receiving early review copies from indy devs?
I like the games post Team Silent but Yamaoka's music carrying the games is probably a big reason for that. Homecoming's soundtrack especially is absolutely fantastic, and of course McGlynn's vocals
Great video as always but I think the moment you criticism the influences of the western developers is a bit confused. You point out throughout the video that the western devs were never able to capture the feeling of the original games and that they kept deviating and trying boring western horror tropes instead, but then go on to say that the western games were always trying to copy the originals and never tried they're own thing. Unless I've misunderstood your point of course.
I think what he means is the western developers keep missing the mark. JP SH is influenced by western horror but still has a distincly japanese execution of the concept: subtletley and psych horror. Most western devs just see the western horror influence and not the JP horror one, so they just resort to using western tropes at face value, but then never seem to understand why they never captured the feeling of the original, despite the fact they literally missed a key ingredient.
Silent Hill has been one of my favourite series ever since I found the trailer for Silent Hill 2 on the bonus-disc that I got with MGS2 and was deeply fascinated by it. Since then I've replayed the classics several times, with 3 being my personal favourite. They truly are something special, and I think it would be hard to replicate that feeling even if you could get the the band back together. But that really isn't a problem as long as people can play the classics, so even if the quality of the non-team Silent-games are... up for debate, it wouldn't matter if Konami would just make the original classics available somewhere. As such, I think the whole "HD"-debacle is much worse than any of the new games. Speaking of the new games, I think Origins and Homecoming are the worst, while SH:SM and Downpour can work when viewed as their own thing. Origins and SM are the most playable, with few bugs, decent gameplay-loops and presentation, but Origins misunderstands the story of SH1 in such a major way that I can't get myself to like it, despite it being a descent enough game. SM has references to the original, but they work, since it's a re-imagining that just takes inspiration from the orignal while doing its own thing. It has many flaws, but I enjoyed it the most of the "new" games. Homecoming and Downpour are both of questionable technical quality, but Downpour manages to have some interesting characters and ideas, and takes obvious inspiration from SH2 without ripping it of, while Homecoming is a ripoff and/or a bad copy of previous games (and the movie) in almost every way, and the ideas that aren't a ripff are terrible. Like the combat, the modern gaming tropes of the time with buttonpressing that only works as padding. Downpour has flaws, but there are interesting ideas that could have worked with more development-time or a sequel, but Homecoming is just downright bad! Sorry for all that. This really was an interesting video, and I agree with your points. It's really sad how this series has been treated by both Konami and fans. Keep up the good work!
yea cant agree on Shattered memories thoughts. I honestly loved that game and it left a big impact on me and out of the western Silent Hill games is by far the one I like the most.
It already did, Kojima illusion of being a competent developer shattered with death stranding. It outed him as a lucky charismatic guy who knows a couple Hollywood stars. Style over substance is kojimas Moto. And many, including me, are happy kojima is not involved in Silent Hill, although I guess del Toro could have reigned kojima into something respectable
wow this video does not do shattered memories justice,it's a really good physiological horror game and this guy gave a huge understatement of the whole experience.
I agree its disappointing to see people think of Kojima as the man behind Silent Hill now, but I also think its important to note, the last really great original Silent Hill games were back on PS2, and if we're being honest, there's a very good portion of the gaming population that wasn't around for those games, or may not have been into gaming yet. I think when this is brought up, it makes sense that a lot of people don't know the original developers and such, particularly because of how difficult it is to get a hold of the original Silent Hill games nowadays. I admittedly wasn't around for them and the series really intrigued me, but I wasn't able to play them until I scrounged around for the game and had to figure out how to get it running on a modern PC, and I think that's more the average person with mild interest in the franchise is willing to do. They aren't available for download on any system to my knowledge, and the only way to really get a "modern port" of the games is through the HD collection which still isn't the easiest to come by, at least in my experience. Great analysis by the way, it was very interesting and the cultural aspect you brought up really helped make sense of why these games didn't turn out so great.
I agree with this and I think he was being very unfair by generalizing the reasons why people thought that Kojima was the face of SH. You're right that the original four games made by Team Silent are over a decade old at this point and to my knowledge,they've never been released digitally either. The only way to play SH1 would be to go online and hope to get a copy that isn't expensive and have a PS1,an old gaming console. And the average person is simply not willing to go through those hoops. There is the HD Collection but: 1) it only has SH 2&3 2) It doesn't even include SH4, and 3)It's a terrible port in general that changes many things from the original games like the voice actors and is from a technical standpoint a buggy mess to boot. So the HD Collection is not the best place to start learning about the older games
I played Homecoming when it was first released and I have fond memories of it, though I am pretty sure it was my first silent hill game, at the very least it was the first silent hill game I played to completion before I finished 2 and 3 a couple years later. Though the thing that stuck out biggest from my mind is I enjoyed the fact that you could wreck the monsters without taking hits with timed dodges, and you could sneak up on monsters with the flashlight off, so yeah it wasn't much of a horror game, but it was a decent enough action game, that empowered you by kicking the asses of so called scary monsters.
Out of all these western SH games, Shatter memories was the only one that felt like a SH game. Not much the creepy vibe, but the emotional journey itself. It gave me SH2 vibes, that lost/confused/hope. The ending for me got me, and even made me cry a little. Idk just watching how much Harry loves his daughter and how heartbroken Cheryl was got to me. Also the way the game changed with what you interacted was pretty cool ( I got the good father ending,The game didn't change much for me when I looked at things.) Those other games are straight up trash though.
Personally I think part of the problem at least was that the mid-2000's was a changing time in the horror landscape and a lot of the western media that had inspired the Silent Hill franchise (Jacob's Ladder, The Mist etc) had given way to bombastic over the top bullshit that the consumer audience of the time were slavering for (Platinum Dunes remakes, torture porn etc). Nobody remembers Jacob's Ladder or any of Silent Hill's western influences and if they do, its because they're heavily invested in the franchise or they're film buffs. Even Resident Evil was adjusting to this dynamic, and we got RE6 as an end result of that. Despite what I hear a lot, Japanese horror isn't just slow, psychological stuff. They can do splatter as well (Tokyo Gore Police for example), but I'd say that the western developers either forgot or abandoned much of the franchise's roots in favour of fanservice, the American horror of the style at the time or (given this is Konami) the franchise was poorly handed because Konami are a bunch of money-grubbing, employee-abusing, dick-whistlers.
A decent video. I disagree on allot of it, shattered memories is my joint 2nd in fave games (sh2 first then sh3 ) I love the atmosphere, the sexuality and different levels of story. A great game and it wasn't trying to ape the first 4 games at all. And I couldn't get it out my head for weeks. Just like the first 4. However the main issue is your criticisms of the western studios. Especially regarding the HD remaster. Konami had "lost" the source code and provided only buggy early builds and rediculous time and budget constraints. Which knowing Konami also plagued the other games.
My issue with the source code thing is that its not a good excuse. Its actually been pointed out before that archive data is not necessary at all. For example Blue Point who made many well done HD remasters never relied on source code. Instead they found old working retail copies of the games and reverse engineered them which insured they had every bit of data they needed. Now I will agree though that Konami with their meddling did not help alot of these studios. It honestly really broke my heart when I learned that almost everything people hated on Tomm Hulett for was actually Konami excecs fucking things up. Tomm didn't deserve alot of the hate he got.
Honestly I think Shattered Memories deserves more credit. I love 1-3, thought 4 was decent but was surprised at how great SM was and I would personally rank it higher than 4. Book of Memories is the only SH I haven't played (but does it even count really? XD) and Downpour is the only one I didn't finish and would easily rank the worst, I rather play Homecoming twice. My expectations when first playing SM though was "this game is gonna suck" because it's the same team that made Origins. Before the release I also wasn't a fan of the whole "a retelling of the first game" and was a bit hostile to the idea but damn I really enjoyed it!! I love the story, the characters, the plot twist at the end, the chase sequences were fucking scary, the psychological tests were fun, the music was great as always. I don't remember the performances being bad in SM but I do remember how awful Homecoming and Downpour were!!! Especially in the performances with the cheesy voice acting and weird facial animations (reminded me of morrowind hahaha). The graphics in SM for it's time and limited hardware were impressive, especially the lighting effects that were even incorporated in some puzzles. They had the psychological horror aspect in the story and gameplay. Stuff like Harry questioning his own self and the tests you take with a psychologist. You got a fresh "look" for the hellish part of Silent Hill. I liked how the gameplay wasn't about combat - being chased and only having a limited amount of time to decide what to do was scary and intense. I feel like RE7 took some inspiration from this as well. My only issues with the game was that it was predictable when you were safe or entering an area where you're gonna be chased. Also there were some gimmicky/easy puzzles that use the wiimote like moving a lock off a door but there still were some great puzzles like moving some objects around to reveal a passcode with their shadows on the wall. I think they were the closest team to understanding what makes a Silent Hill game but hey at least we got some awesome soundtracks from Akira and his quality never dipped over time. I would have loved to see Kojima's take on the series, I've always been curious as to what he would do after Metal Gear at that time. Death Stranding turned out great and I was happy with that game. For the future of Silent Hill I would only be excited if Konami sold the rights and are never able to put a fucking finger on it again. As well as Team Silent or Kojima or both hahaha making another entry. Heck I wouldn't even mind a remake of the first 3 games, kind of like what Capcom is doing with Resident Evil games at the moment.
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 Well I've never finished Downpour XD and no joke for Homecoming I couldn't even beat a second time because the game kept on crashing at a certain spot. SM I have beaten several times just because it has some actual replay value to it and I just really enjoyed it as well.
I thought people complaining about Kojima being gone, and that being the end of Silent Hill was somewhat justified. Team Silent is long gone and doing their own things now, and Konami as a whole company doesn't really give a shit about making new games anymore or bringing back old devs. In fact there is rumor out now that Sony might purchase the rights to this franchise. More of the reason Konami really doesn't care about their IP's. So with Kojima being gone, and people crying about it, I thought of it more as the hope of any new Silent Hill game was gone, especially since Kojima is the only one to publicly show interest in making a SH game, and Konami still owning the rights and not giving a damn. Not that Kojima is the end all be all of the franchise. But hey, if Sony does purchase the franchise, maybe we will see Team Silent/Kojima return, maybe both?
Some of the comments he showed said things like "SH without Kojima is blasphemy" or "it won't really be SH without Kojima" so it's apparent that there's a common misconception that he was the original creator.
I honestly completely disagree with your opinion on Shattered Memories. I love the exploration and story. I didn’t think the twist was obvious at all was led up to very well. The only thing I think was bad was the chase sections. It was definitely my favourite post-team silent game.
The best part of Silent Hill: Homecoming are the nurses + Asphyxia, and literally only because of their design (and in the case of Asphyxia, her design + backstory).
Shattered memories was really good in my opinion, it was interesting to play through and I really enjoyed the therapy sessions, though I guessed that I was his daughter from the beginning cause predictible
The good things about SHO are the Sanatorium, the Theater and the Riverside Motel. The Sanatorium in particular is spooky as hell. Homecoming is. . . phew... Too deviant . Whoever developed it missed the point of SH. It was never about fighting or action. It was not about shoehorning monsters from a different character just because they are popular (why is Pyramid Head in SHH? It is James' monster!)
I think Pyramid Head appears in Homecoming as larger area is being eaten by Otherworld and their beliefs shape it. His father is also there and it is after him Pyramid Head is going. That is why it ignores Alex as he is not its target.
You just earned yourself a subscriber. It's sad to see how unremarkable a legendary franchise like Silent Hill became. To think there was a time it actually rivaled Resident Evil as the best horror video game franchise. Despite its lackluster output for the past decade, I'm still hoping for a new Silent Hill game.
Actually, Akira Yamaoka would probably be the easiest to get. He has his band sure, but he hasn't stopped making game soundtracks. In fact, there's a horror game he did the soundtrack for that was announced back at the Xbox SX "gameplay" reveal event.
not sure about you buddy, but when I say SIlent Hill, I don't immediately think about Piramid Head or feel the need to discuss him ... or give me nightmares, but when I mention SIlent Hill, it's because I'm talking about the nervewracking ambient sounds, often soothing melodies like SH2's forest OST (or the Bowling Alley music), the mushy, grainy and crusty design that makes me ache for a quick shower for making me feel so grungy and dirty, the haunting isolation and maybe THEN the monsters because let's face it, Pyramid Head is so often overhyped and overplayed, but he's not even scary or unnerving at all. I've jumped far more times from regular enemies quickly darting out from under cars or into the camera's view than Pyramid head slowly strolling towards me.
50:39 well, that aged well, considering (JUST as I was writing this) Konami recently debunk rumors that two Silent HIll games was in the works, one is from Project Siren/Gravity and and the other is from Kojima Productions. but, I would love to see a new Siren game from Project Siren/Gravity in a Virtual Reality form, but it would be nice to have Kojima go back into Horror genre.
Sometimes dead is better. Yep, I'm with GamingBrit on this one, proper death of this series is looong overdue. I mean, miracles happen, I guess (see RE and DOOM return to form), but I wouldn't bet on this, and dead is preferable to Homecoming: Origins of downpour every day of the week. And, honestly, PT isn't all that either. I mean, It was fine for a standalone (just like SM), but there was barely anything Silent hill about it.
I was on the 'please let it die in peace' train also, but recently with games like God of War and Assassin's Creed, games I absolutely hated, have now gone through a reimagining of what those games could be, I think a competent company could make Silent Hill if they have access to real talent and artisanship.
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 True, I would hope Konami would just license it out to Sony and get the free money from it while Sony actually builds a competent team.
Also, the seventh generation was a time In which video game developers assumed Survival horror was dead Their horror game weren't selling But they were making crappy survival horror and expecting that to sell great survival horror games if marketed properly sell. I also own the Silent Hill HD collection on PS3 That's my only way to play Silent Hill 2 and 3.
27:30 - I think the endings of the modern games are what really killed it for me ultimately when it comes to 'story'. Sure, the stories in almost all of them are... a problem. But, I think what the westerners don't understand is that, when you have a bunch of endings that not only change the conclusion of the different events the player does... but also changes the character's past entirely, is bullshit. Yes, some people point to Silent Hill 1's ultimate bad ending (although one can argue that it very much ties to how SH1 dealt with Harry dealing with the transitions and how he often found himself 'walking' up back and forth between the 'fog world' and 'otherworld' quite a few times, even having Harry falling asleep in the hidden shrine to show up by Lisa in the hospital, only to find himself go back to the hidden shrine), but even if it doesn't take into account the elements that could justify the bad ending's existence, the bad ending does not change Harry's past with Cheryl. Harry just dies. Silent Hill Homecoming, Downpour, and Shattered Memories failed this by having the character's entire past and being change (it's so bad, that there is an ending in Downpour where murphy kills his OWN SON and wasn't murdered by the creep he beat nearly to death in the prison). Origin's is less bad with the endings, but it tried to make an origin game that tried to mix both SH1 the game and SH1 the movie... and if you looked at even a glance at either's story, trying to merge and mix the two together doesn't make any sense. The SH1 movie's story is trash and not in sync with SH1 Game, and them introducing the.... demon ghost girl from the SH1 Movie into the Origins game was trash... amongst other things. And that's the general feeling about these games. They are cheap cash grabs, created for the sake of cash grabs, and have very little that is redeemable IMO. Considering the track record of the games that have been released so far thanks to the SH2 movie (which is also going to be trash), of those that are released and what will come, I don't have much hope in any of these things. Would rather Silent Hill just die already and Konami just go making their gamble machines until they hit the bucket as well.
I liked Shattered Memories and Origins well enough, they weren't as good as the original games for sure but I could tell they actually tried, I don't really know how I feel about Downpour, it's a very mixed bag for me, and yeah Homecoming was just terrible, it was literally everything that Silent Hill isn't, and I don't think I even need to mention Book of Memories, that game was so weird, no clue why they thought they should've made Silent Hill into an dungeon crawler.
I feel so sad for anyone who started this series with Origins, Homecoming, or Downpour. I've met quite a few people who began with these games, much in the same way that people began the Souls series with Dark Souls 2 or 3 rather than the infinitely more exceptional Dark Souls 1 or Bloodborne.
20:10 This is literally reminds me of an internet debate, where you are judged based on whom you prefer to play as. "If you choose to play as a male in 3rd person game, than you are a homosexual, because you look at man's ass. If you choose to play as a female, than you are a homosexual because you self insert yourself as a woman". There is just no win situation 😐
When I was younger I liked resident evil more, so I missed most of these games. I thought they were super similar as when you have kid money, you get very choosy with what games you buy.
"For Homecoming therer's nothing positive"? - Arguably the best boss out of the entire series, Scarlet. - Several of the best tracks from the entire SH OST come from Homecoming. - Some pretty inspired monster designs and locations (Hells Descent) - Combat isn't as painful as the classic ones
I really like shattered memories and downpour, I like the lore of homecoming, the backstory of Shepard’s glen and the sacrifices but I hated the game mechanics and the inclusion of pyramid head. It’s a shame because the character of Alex had so much potential, the sadness and confusion over how he was treated by his family and his relationship with them could have been explored much further. I wish it could be remade with much more originality behind it.
The west can never produce a truly great Silent Hill game because what made Silent Hill that unique in the first place was a very specific context involving a set of very specific japanese people adapting and transforming western tropes in a very specific late 90's/early 2000's context. And to be honest, I feel like even the Kojima directed Silent Hill would face similar backlash (Something he isn't a stranger to since MGS4 anyway)
I love that clip of Takayoshi Sato talking about imperfection. He's having a bit of trouble with a language he's not as fluent in as his native one and yet he's still able to get across the point, which is so incredibly fitting considering what the point is. Also wow I didn't know quite how many people seem to think SH is Kojima's thing. I mean I still really wish I coulda seen what Silent Hills was gonna be, but if they just got even half of team silent back together to do an SH game it'd be fucking amazing and I'd start believing in god. Oh and I didn't realize Masahiro Ito worked on MG Survive. That makes a lot of sense cuz there were some designs in there that I felt were pretty Silent Hill-y, and it helped that the dust zone looked really foggy.
I think it's important to keep in mind that back when it came out people outright HATED Silent Hill 4 for being "too different" from the previous 3 games. So it only makes sense that for the next few titles Konami tried to push the "iconic" aspects of the series as hard as possible in an attempt to regain good will with the people who felt bummed by SH4.
"I hated it when I was a dumb teenager and I hate it now as a dumb adult" This is so relatable. I fucking hate Homecoming so much from the bottom of my heart. It is one of my least favourite games I've ever played, and I replayed it very recently for the first time in years, since I too have become much less hateful in my later years, but no, I hate that garbage fire of a dumpster game.
I think that Silent Hill shattered memories was unfair, your general summation of what happened in this game could literally be done for ANY game that has ever existed. Not a good one there.
Silent Hill Shattered Memories should have either been a stealth sequel to SH1 and SH3 told from Heather's perspective trying to deal with her memories of Alessa and the death of her father, and Cybil is still alive. Or a straight modernized remake of SH1 with a Until Dawn branching system based on the character's decisions. One play through will allow you to get the plot of SH1, while another will get you the one you get in Shattered Memories. Options. And it's way too short, the running from the monsters keeps you from appreciating the details of the Otherworld.
I am dissapointed too that people talk about kojima as if he alone made silent hill , i want to see Masahiro Ito design new Silent Hill and Akira Yamaoka to make music for it.
He had nothing to do with it. I don’t know why people say that. Last thing that asshole needs is more credit than he’s due.
Don't forget junji Ito, who was supposed to work on silent hills.
Team Silent as a collective are remembered rather than one individual director. Unfortunately, that band's been permanently disbanded. What's sad is that Google doesn't acknowledge the group as a whole in the search results for the "creator of Silent Hill", because it was really all of them that were responsible.
Chris Chen
As is the case with any game really.
Christopher Marlowe
No. You seem to be bothered by something though.
Personally, what's really missing from the western-developed SH's is they key ingredient in Japanese horror: subtlety. Onslaughts of fully lit monsters that you can cleave down aren't scary.
What comes back to me when I close my eyes to sleep at night isn't Pyramid Head's design, or the gory scenes, and definitely not Lisa - it's SH2's careful sound design. The knocks, bangs, scraping, static and little sounds that overwhelm you when you walk down a road in SH2. The realisation that these sounds don't just go away when you close the game: that's actually what a fairly empty road sounds like at night, just dialled up to 11. That's the sort of thing that has me making sure the blackout curtains are shut at 3am.
I couldn't agree more with you. It is waaaaaay better to let the imagination fill the gaps. Remember the mall in SH3? Damn those noises haunted me for years
Yeah i agree 100%. Americans cant do horror like Japan does. Even shitty eastern horror is just as terrifying as some of the best of western horror. And subtlety is absolutely the key to that.
In SH2, they recorded over 100 different footstep sounds to play randomly as James walks/runs, so that the player never gets a sense of comfort.
For me, I always end up recalling the Historical Society portion of SH2: a nonstop onslaught of visual/auditory terror that creates a real nightmare
I mean, horror *can* work both ways, but I won't deny the fact that they tried doing it again and again, so I think the way they are doing it isn't working... Mysterious and threatening is a potent combo, it's just not the things they are either going for, or managing to implement in a successful manner. My two cents.
They probably made Alessa the source of evil in Silent Hill Origins because Alessa was also depicted as the source of the town's evil in the Silent Hill movie that came out in 2006. It seems like a lot of the problems that some of the later SH games had stemmed from the devs trying to copy that movie.
@@NowhereBeats Yeah, IMO all the Western SH stories fail because they try to be SH2, specifically they try to ape the twist ending of SH2 without getting why that twist works so well:
First, the game didn't give the twist away in some thin veiled foreshadowing.
Second, the previous game wasn't famous for its mind blowing twist, so there wasn't any expectations going in.
That's why I hate ppl that tries to diss SH3 for not going the "personal hell" route of SH2, bc the western SH games shows how predictable the stories would become if they keep retreading the same thing at every game.
Rmember when the remake of Alone in The Dark copied its film...!?
@@LEONOX233 that’s what I thought silent hill downpour did so very well: It took the formula from silent hill to an actually delivered very well without repeating that formula point by point. Because needless to say silent hill 2 was one of the greatest in the series
When I heard Christopher Gans was going to direct Silent HIll film, I was excited. I've enjoyed some of his other films that were released in the US. But in my joy, I forgot that while he was a great visual director, from a story telling perspective, they're just sort of basic. His films don't have a whole lot of meaning, other than be fun to watch. So it shouldn't have surprised me that he nailed the visual look of the game (don't deny it. His 'otherworld' looked spot on), but failed at the deeper narrative present in the games.
like, not to defend a film that shouldn't have been called SH, but Alessa... is not the source of the evil in the town? it's constantly implied that the Thing that took her shape is NOT alessa, but the town, or evil itself (not satan/the demon etc, it's basically just evil & death itself), it just took her likeness bc it was easy to fool her into manifesting her revenge. yeah i don't think it should have been called silent hill but the way it's intentionally misunderstood kind of bothers me sometimes
"Silent hill without Kojima wouldn't be Silent hill." That made my head go concave and caused a seizure from pure loss of IQ.
I fucking hate Kojima. His games are mediocre and the disgusting fetishs he shoves into them are so creepy.
Idiot thinks he's a movie director.
@@stuartcaffrey2949
Mediocre?
METAL GEAR SOLID = 94 Metacritic
METAL GEAR SOLID 2: SONS OF LIBERTY = 96 Metacritic
METAL GEAR SOLID 3: SUBSISTENCE = 94 Metacritic
METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS = 94 Metacritic
METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN = 95 Metacritic
You might not like them, but that's all up to your contrarian taste, the quality of the games are undeniable if ALL the reviews put together average over 90 out of 100.
Stuart Caffrey I can understand the difference in taste but MGS1, 2 and 3 are some of the most important games ever made.
@@ihavenomouthandimustmeme6928 Kojimas games are messy and he cant keep up story together, it goes all over the place.
@@ihavenomouthandimustmeme6928 >using reviews from game "journalists" as an argument
ouch.
and i LIKE mgs4, but implying it or V are as phenomenal as MGS3 or Splinter Cell Chaos Theory is insane.
"Nobody's even talking about Pyramid Head"
Is that really a bad thing? Ever since the movie turned him into an "icon" for the series, Pyramid Head got overexposed big time, getting shoved into stories that had absolutely no business featuring him, and other games attempting to replicate his presence through cheap knockoffs. It's even gotten to the point that Ito himself said he would find a way to kill off the character if given the chance. That really speaks volumes when a creator is so tired of seeing one of their characters so much that they want to destroy them.
It's worse. That was the point I was making.
@@Ghenry
I don't know, I'd rather have a character who was getting overhyped to the point of exhausting the love and patience of fans getting overshadowed by a bit character from a teaser who might not have even been involved in the full game. It's not as though everybody's forgotten about Pyramid Head, he just isn't the hotness anymore when it comes to Silent Hill discussion. At least this means we might not have to worry about any potential future game trying to shoehorn another pointless cameo or cheap imitator that devalues the purpose of the original, in Pyramid Head's case that is.
If you’re just glancing at what amounts to a eh game that doesn’t really appeal to anyone other than it previous fans and if the only other horror title you played was the OTHER major franchise that is big on action and has monster really called Nemesis... yeah everyone’s only
Going to pay attention to the guy with the metal Pyramid on his head and the Giant knife.
They also really watered him down to "scary man big helmet bigger knife" when in his first outing he was pretty weird, with flesh bulging out of the helmets bottom to hint at weird anatomy, him looking around with his hands and pulling open the big slot on his head to... smell? That's what I like about pyramid head, not big helmet big knife, but his inhuman nature if you look a little closer.
lmao facts. Pyramid head shouldnt show up anywhere that doesnt involve James. Like all the shit that happens is supposed to be unique to whoever the focus of the story is. Now we got heather and pyramid head in dbd when it should actually be James.
I'm glad you brought up responses to how people are reacting to a new SH without Kojima. I enjoyed his games, but people seem to forget what the SH series was like with the first 4 titles.
Yeah I was relieved to see some veterans of the genre and series get a crack at it, I don't think kojima would do it justice
For every one person shouting for Owaku or Sato, there were 10-20 people crying for Kojima on all social platforms
@@Ghenry That destroys me cause ya, I was interested to see how he would handle it, but I was more interested in fuckin Guillermello Del Toro and Junji Ito working on a Silent Hill game then him.
@@TheParadoxGamer1 They would do the best parts probably.
@Rando I worry about the future of the franchise but I'd definetly sound like a kojima hater to you I guess, despite me being a metal gear fan too. It's just they are different fruits, and although I love metal gear for what it is... it shows many weaknesses in Kojima that he never improved upon, but rather worsened, like his overexposition long rambling goofy memeable iconic philosophic existential hyperdimensional midboggling dialogue. That stuff would destroy silent hill, I can imagine him putting this corny stuff in a scene and it ruining the whole damn thing, him explaining the history of the town and how it relates to cold war events and to the future of mankind and hegel's, zola's, weber's etc. theory of the human condition etc etc. I don't care about that at all, that stuff killed me in metal gear solid already lol. Other than I really disliking his gameplay sometimes, it gets very repetitive. But the worst would be the emotionally shallow characterization he has. Like I said in another comment, Silent Hill tells a much more moving and profound story by just using the right words, the right way. Imagine him writing the character of Walter Sullivan for example. Again, I'm still a fan of early MGS, but it's not the same style. It's like asking Tarantino to remake a Hitchcock, Bergman or even worse a Tarkovski film. He can't do that, it'd become his own thing. Kojima should do Kojima projects only, that's where he can himself as much as he loves to.
I guess a Kojima game is already my own version of silent hill lmfao, so I shouldn't be complaining so much, since it'd be a silent hill game either way :P
I think the main reason these people think that Kojima made Silent Hill is because that game is all they know. They were most likely born after those games came out. Honestly, it might just be the fact that Kojima is one of the rare few game devs who’s name is actually well known. So when people saw that PT was not only canceled, but a man and all of his employees were practically ousted from the company that was funding the game, they couldn’t help but be upset.
I've played my first silent hill game in 2015(silent hill origin's) and seeing these characters these concepts was an amazing experience
So i got curious and did some research on the game and I've found out it was one of the worst silent hills
And then a year after origins I've played silent hill 1 and I've never in my life been so scared.
But now i look at the modren horror games and say(*what happened?)
@@DD-hx8td I played the first one when I was 8.
I turned out fine...
...mostly.
@@acheron16 i can see the impact from your pfp
Yeah the post mortem soundtracks were pretty disappointing compared to 1-4
I've never played the Silent hill series and my first real point of intrigue into the series was when PT came out, well I got some exposure due to the movies, but all I thought as a kid was "They're psychological horror and they're damn scary" and I thought it was kinda like the RE series which was the one I did know about both for the games and the movies.
But I definitely was a little confused when PT came, I knew that Kojima was someone knew, because I knew that he was from Metal Gear Solid and I didn't associate him with a horror franchise.
But that's only because of previous exposure to the series and a hunch that Kojima didn't make silent hill titles behind our backs all that time. A good thing about that is I was driven to learn more about the series (note: my mom really didn't like horror, nor games, and I only had hand-me-down games on my PS2 and eventually my PS3. The closest I got to playing Silent Hill was watching top clips on RUclips around 2012.) and now that I have more knowledge it does sadden me a bit, definitely not as much as those who knew about Team silent before, but it does bamboozle me a bit to see those twitter posts or things acting like they're backlash to the series, but they don't know any better, PT isn't the only Silent Hill and we barely got a game out of it even, who knows how good the rest of it would have been, and at that, how faithful Kojima would have done it?
I'm pretty sure if Hideo continued on the project it would've hailed a success, but I feel the fact that He didn't continue this and the game's story got spread around so much that it ended up overshadowing the earlier titles and especially the work of the first developers who started it all.
People nowadays hail back to that Norman Reedus screenshot when they think of Silent Hill, or they just think of P.T.
This definitely makes me want to buy Silent Hill and play it on my PS2 for the first time,
and knowing that I won't be a youngin this time I could probably handle psychological horror
And if I were to be playing Silent Hill back then I would indeed be too young to have played the first up to the third Silent Hill since I wouldn't even be able to read, the most-likely games I would have played would be the PS3 titles or those going from 2007-2012, but alas, I did not get to cherish such game experiences.
Sometimes another culture's take on a genre can make the most interesting things, I think Silent Hill did a lot of that. Dark Souls is another example, it's very much a Japanese horror interpretation of western medieval fantasy.
Same with Devil May Cry, hell DmC didn't work because it also lacked what made DMC special to begin with.
Only with Extensive Research for the setting. America isnt too good when it comes to this.
@@baroquechevalier8516 This, DMC was always western inspired. It wasn't until 4 where things changed
Silent Hill and Dark Souls have a lot in common story wise, i could argue that with a lot of mental gimnastics they could even exist in the same universe if You take into consideration sh3 theology of the cult that states that humanity is trapped in an endless cycle of pain and suffering, so they pleaded to the god and god took pity on humanity and wanted to grant humanity death, not as a punishment but as a gift, such is the paradise the cult would have descend upon the world, death for humans, that would imply that our souls cannot die and linger in pain like in Sh4 or reincarnte like Alessa in Cheryl and Heather and the unamed baby. Much like in Dark Souls we are undead, destined to respawn and die again and again.
@@baroquechevalier8516 well, some of the blame for that has to be placed on Capcom for pushing NT further than their original concept art, which is much closer to the original series, but was according to Capcom, not "western enough".
"for Homecoming therer's nothing positive" wait hold on, have you heard the soundtrack? it also has a few cool monsters designs, at least they aren't all human-like like in Downpour
I agree.
The game actually sucks dick, but the soundtrack and the mosters designs r dope.
Remember Scarlet?
@@oMaruMesmo Scarlet was actually pretty damn creepy when I first fought her. Her entrance was pretty well done. She's the best designed monster in not only that game, but in the entire line up of western developed "Silent Hill" entries.
Right? "Witchcraft" Is a total Jam, One More Soul to the Call has maybe my favorite Akira's guitar work...
As for the monster desing , i'll say the bosses were pretty good, at least they weren't an uninspired bland reskin of creatures from the original 3 games...
@@nicolasriveros943 "Witchcraft" is arguably the best track on that soundtrack, and definitely one of the best compositions in the series' history
@@oMaruMesmo Scarlet's Theme was amazing NIGHTMARE FUEL.
"Silent Hill will never be the same without Kojima."
WHAT IF I TOLD YOU that Kojima has never been involved in a Silent Hill game (that was actually released).
Seriously, who the hell are these people?
Maybe Fake Silent Hill Fans!? I'Dunno
Bandwagoners
Casual PS4 fans who never played SIlent Hill prior to P.T.
People who only watched RUclipsrs play PT
I saw the comments and was at complete loss Kojima barely was involved in PT anyways.
these people just liked the shlock easy to digest simple themes of MG and think that applies to Silent Hill.
Downpour's disadvantage is that it was released as a Silent Hill title. If it was just called "Downpour" and was some kind of allegory about alcoholism or guilt people would probably call it a Silent Hill derivative but still find it overall pretty good. Holding it up to the first four entries of a powerhouse franchise, though, and it feels like the top end of the lower half of a STEEEEEEEP curve of quality. It's a shame because Downpour has some really great moments and ideas in it, but it can't really exist on its own.
Downpour's disadvantage was inexperienced studio that couldn't bite it. I might be wrong, but Downpour was, like, their 1st big game.
@@Mafon2 Their first and last game.
@@coldstuff9784 amen.
@@Mafon2 actually most of Vatra Game was veteran devs who made Mafia and Mafia II, they have talent
just ask Konami about the time and money Vatra Games was given
@@hieunguyenrileygekko yeah, my bad, I checked it recently, they were pretty experienced bunch. Still, it was new grounds for them.
Good things about Homecoming:
- One more soul to the call
- This sacred line
- Alex theme
- Elle theme
The terminal show
Witchcraft
And Scarlett
-two best friends playthrough of it
The whole OST
AM I the only guy who enjoyed rolling around and pretending I'm link from zelda, but with Alex? xD homie Alex was the most OP silent hill mc of them all, and I swear thats what people remember the most, the wacky knife combos and shit. Lmao
It's not Kojima that I want as much (though he would be cool) it's actually Junji Ito. The two Itos on a project would deliver a beautiful result.
Same! I was so upset when that potential horror-masterpiece combo of a production got cancelled. Love Junji Ito, his work would've fit in so well into a Silent Hill game.
Junji Ito and Del Toro working on a game's monster designs. Can you fucking imagine? We almost had that. Konami took it from us.
@@GundamGokuTV I respect both, but I have to say Itos' are miles ahead of Del Toros'
@@michael1390 we don't need comparison here. They both would have been involved.
Fellow Michael, you'll be happy to know that Kojima's working on a new horror game with Ito
comicbook.com/gaming/news/hideo-kojima-junji-ito-horror-game-silent-hills-ps5-playstation/?fbclid=IwAR2E1si_Eb9CD24zGol_u85egLSvcV3tSCPEEzS2gZqXCSyXkTSMjz4GGWw
"Silent hill without Kojima wouldn't be Silent hill."
Damn kids. They talk a big game, but they don't know anything about the series. Ugh...
I'm going to be honest, I never expected Kojima to make a _real_ Silent Hill game. I lost hope for that years and years ago. But I was very excited for Silent Hills, because even if Kojima would have been a terrible match for this particular franchise, at least here would be a Silent Hill game with actual heart and character and charm. That would have been enough for me: Kojima's silly weird-ass take on a beloved franchise. But if he had been the mind behind it from the beginning? I think we'd be missing out on something very special.
@@DarthFennec You summed up my own thoughts perfectly.
@@DarthFennec The nice thing about silent hill is it SHOULD allow for different interpretations and styles...most of us fans are happy if what we get is just good...but that's hasn't really been the case since PS2.
No team silent no Silent Hill
@@Sammo212 I agree with you but I must disagree that it hasn’t been as good since PS2. I believe silent hill downpour was a worthy successor to the awesomeness of the original formula. homecoming was good but I think it founded a little bit and shattered memories I think was a very unique gem.
You have some fair point about shattered memories but I'd say that playing Harry instead of Cheryl in the exploration segment of the game was more meaningful cuz Cheryl was basically imaging his father trying to find her still cuz that's how much she loved him and clings to him and it makes the ending more impactful and satisfying
yup after all the whole situation is about her finally admitting to herself what happened and letting go. The ending I got was so touching.
I remember the days when Silent Hill 4 was considered the black sheep of the series. Now it's a God damn masterpiece compared to the shit show that came after. I'm so glad that Kojima's project was canceled and he ended up doing his own thing. It ended up working out for pretty much all parties and we can only hope nobody else who doesn't know shit about the series tries to pick it up again.
Well i always loved SH4, despite its flaws, and i still find it the second most interesting game in the series only behind SH2
@@Klef_Takis I don't hate Silent Hill 4, mind you. It's biggest strength was the story and uncovering the mystery. Gameplay-wise, though, it felt a bit off compared to the first three entries. As we all ended up learning, however, considering the entries we got afterwards, telling an actual good story that fits what Silent Hill is about is infinitely preferable. I'll take escorting Eileen over stupid mirror-warping or pointless, unfulfilling side quests any day.
@@HisBubbliness Yup, pretty much that
his own thing sucked though
I'd rather play Homecoming than 4. 4 is such a chore to play... Even if the concept of the game is brilliant and it has some neat mechanics like first person for your own room and the progression of it, I just hate to actually play. I haven't even finished it once yet. I've beaten the trilogy dozens of times, I even beat Homecoming once (the game didn't keep my interest too much) but 4 is just there half finished.
"The Poisoned Well" is very accurate, yet underselling it.
But I can't use curse words :'(
Does shitting in a well poison it?
indeed
@Jordan Ghill Imagine being so offended by someone else's take on the series that you have to project your own hurt feelings onto someone else. Laughing face emoji ecks-dee!
I think it's way overdramatic. Much like the video itself.
Fun Fact : Homecoming was originally labeled as Silent Hill 5. It was later on named Silent Hill 5 : Homecoming before just being called Silent Hill Homecoming. Probably Konami didn't even want the game to be labeled numerically because it's not a Team Silent thing.
Fun fact: It's actually Konami that's running the franchise into the ground, and ordered those games from outside "cheaper " studio's for a quick cash grab...
i wouldn't label it silent hill, or game either.
One thing the Team Silent games shared, they NEVER relied on jumpscares. They focused on creating a terrifying environment, creepy soundtracks and chilling psychological elements.
And Thats Alot People Who Don't Understand!?!? 🤔
The anger behind the Poisoned Well section was palpable and absolutely justified. It’s even more infuriating when realizing that Konami’s mishandling of the older games makes it even harder to fight those misconceptions by making the original four far less accessible in their intended forms than they should be.
i'm in the camp that you shouldn't touch anything but 1-4, AND Shattered Memories, SM was actually really good, nowhere near the originals, but it actually made me feel things, sadness, fear, confusion, etc. also SM gave me my fav SH song, Acceptance.
Kojima could've directed a good Silent Hill game in my opinion considering how a lot of his games really like toying with the player and taking practically every potential action on their part into account. But it would've been a fundamentally different experience than what Team Silent gave us. Because he isn't Team Silent.
Unfortunately, the reason Kojima's name overshadows the original Silent Hill's director is because of how much more prevalent Kojima's name is in the online space, and how much more meme'd it became with Silent Hills' cancellation. Every game Toyama is involved with has to be specifically marketed as "from the director of Silent Hill" because players aren't as familiar with his name.
Kojima would've been an absolutely horrible choice for Silent Hill. He has the subtlety of a sledgehammer and I actually enjoy games, not the glorified movies makes now.
No, kojima is always in a lot of exposition, when the silent hill games are not about exposition, its for sutilness and the fear of the unknown
@@Upsetkiller456 ah yes I make one bad game now I'm a movie maker
@@alphabroncotwozero392 Kojima ALWAYS was a pretty hack writer with an extreme emphasis on cutscenes what are you on about. MGS4 is notorius for them. He is a bad for Silent Hill but that doesn't mean I don't want him to do a horror game, he should, just his own title.
As far as i'm concerned Kojima stopped making good games after MGS4, hell MGSV had a 80 million usd budget and barely anything was properly done on that game, then the flop that is Death Stranding cemented to me that he lost his mojo.
If there's one positive to Homecoming, I would say some of the bosses look cool. The last one and Scarlet are pretty creepy looking, and they have some symbolic ties to the characters they represent. Not particularly deep ones, but they still delivered the creeps
I have to admit I thought homecoming was a bit of a mixed bag but still a good cylon whole game. And the fact that the bosses were actually the murdered children of the cult leaders I thought was downright disturbing
That's one thing we can agree on in homecoming.
The way too obvious to be actually creepy. Plus the fact that most team silent games monsters tie into the bad guys background. In Silent Hill, they're tied to Alessa's background and we're supposed to think that she's the bad guy. In Silent Hill 3, they're tied to Claudia's background and she's the bad guy. In Silent Hill 4, they're tied to Walter's background and he's the bad guy.
@@kalelvigil1510 I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. In what way are the monsters within the games you don’t like not frightening…?
I actually really liked the Korn theme song for Downpour. It wasn't exactly what I wanted or expected for a Silent Hill, but it grew on me a lot.
gonna be honest here i realy enjoyed shattered memories
walt disney no one stop you from liking shit
Yep, Shaterred Memories and Origins are very goods Silent Hill Games I dont care if the most people desliked it.
Renatho Nathan your reason is shallow and effortlessly just like the games.
@@stevenrith2386 so what? I enjoy more Origins than Silent Hill 3( is very good too), and that is wat matters for me. The soundcracks are amazing like the others, the gameplay and Graphics is Ok for a PSP game, and the story remembers the first Two games, so I Have No reason to deslike this game. And Shaterred Memories the Soundtrack is spetacular, gameplay and graphics is good in all consoles, and I like the Choices System very interesting seeing this in a Silent Hill game. But if you dont like those games, fine too.
Honestly I think SM gets a lot of hate because people think it's trying to "rewrite" the original franchise, which is not. It's just a spin-off structured more like a suspense thriller and tried a lot of new stuff, which should be respected.
It's definitely a freaky outlandish horror tale, but it feels like a very personal story that might hit close home to many.
I really liked the game, and the music was amazing, I also like how it changes so much each time I revisit it.
I love that you actually go into depth as to why the western games are bad. Most people are just like, western SH bad haha. But it's so much more than just them being bad. In all of them save for homecoming, you can see that the developers clearly had some idea of what they wanted to do, but they just aren't very good at designing the environments, or lacing the story through the world in a subtle yet effective way. In SH 3 there was a lot of information that was conveyed to you, but only if you actually paid attention, otherwise it was just a fairly simple story. Take for example the hospital level, where you had the optional choice to read through stanleys messages to heather which were plain terrifying but also subtly warned you to the danger of leonard. Finding out that stanley was dead the entire time once you go to the otherworld made the whole area feel even more terrifying. The western games didn't really ever achieve anything like that, they had sidequests, but none of them were meaningful or even linked to the main overarching story.
I don't want to blame it only on culture but I think I do want to blame it on a lack of understanding of good writing. The reason I say that os because if you look at for example Jacobson's Ladder which is a strong inspiration for the original series, or Twin Peaks by Lynch, you definitely see a lot of that uncanny valley sensation of things not being quite right in the writing. I mention these sources since they're explicitly western. The original 4 games understood this and knew how to capture that feeling in the writing. It places a greater emphasized on introspection and the meaning of relationships especially with regards to what is real and unreal. There's a sense that you can never really trust your perspective o f reality which makes everything feel very uncanny.
A lot of the horror comes from that I think, because it creates an existential anxiety where the player is made uncomfortable with themself. I honestly think that if we're looking for comparative horror games albeit with very different atmospheres, Frictional Games games really get this. The sort of existential dread Soma leaves you with haunts you for days. Again western studio.
The problem with non-Team Silent games is that they just don't understand to understand what scares people, especially in the genre of psychological horror. Even Bloodborne understood this and we're talking FromSoftware which only has one other horror game to name under their belt.
I mean I'm not going to say that culture does not play role at all be I think it does, because a lot of Japanese games just feel, for the lack of a better word, quirky, when they try to incorporate a western perspective through the narrative.
SH1-3's intros: Immersive, curious, ominous, and somewhat haunting
Downpour's intros: hehe Korn
That absolutely haunting track from Silent Hill 4, Room of Angel, is one of my favourite pieces of music from the entire SH series
What really broke my heart was Mary Elizabeth McGlynn acting on possible decades of jealousy from just singing on the Silent Hill soundtrack, railroading the original voice actors of Silent Hill 2 and 3 in favor of herself and her anime industry pals on the "HD" remaster, and then shitting all over the work those original VAs did to make her and the one-voice wonders look good on the convention publicity circuit.
Ghenry, I totally see what drives you making this kind of videos. Passion, just like with Dead Rising. It's not, like many think, because you're a die hard fan of old games (DR1, SH1 to 4) but rather that you appreciate the work and passion the devs put on making those games, the small details and such. Keep it up man!!
Personally I loved Shatter memories I felt it was a great game in its own right and it gave us a new version of Silent Hill instead of retreading old ground. I felt very touched with it's ending much more then other silent hills ( but that is most like due to the fact I lost a relative when I was young). But I get why people didn't like it it was very different form the reste of series. Great video by the way.
Lucien Lachance My father committed suicide a few months prior to me playing Shattered Memories. I went into it blind and wasn’t able to guess the plot twist. When it finally happened I felt so touched by the game’s story that it has since become one of my favorites ever. I can see why some don’t like it, but when you separate it from SH I think it’s a genuinely great game.
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 Thank you for your comment and I am sorry for your lose. I didn't see the plot twist coming either. I could agree more with you about the game. thanks again and take care.
Lucien Lachance Thank you
I'm pretty sure in an alternate reality Shattered Memories would've been a DmC-like reboot of the whole series. Also, if it was a movie, it would be really good.
"The monsters look like something out of Manhunt."
Hey, makes sense to me. Manhunt's designs were imprisonment and oppression themed, it looks like what Guantanamo Bay survivors would have nightmares of. The enemies in Downpour felt that way to me as well. The enemies all share a common trait of being both twisted and aggressive in the same way as well.
I don't really get the SM hate in the video and actually all this internet hate train on the game. The game never tried to be SH1 Remake, it was always meant to be a revision of the universe from the first game. Loved the psycological aspect, loved the fourth wall breaks back to back from the therapist to the gameplay and how it affected the world around you, it was actually scary and intriguing and well paced. A lot more you could say about SH4 tbh
I don't hate SM. It's too 'okay' for me to hate it. Don't mistake disinterest with 'hatred.'
Shattered Memories' reflections of your choice were shallow. Like that monster that saw the shape of its head change based on indicators like sex, religion, alcohol/drugs. It was a neat idea I just think it was poorly executed. I also hated how often you were being chased around like it was Crash fucking Bandicoot and there wasn't a scary element to be found.
@@Ghenry Your video still seems to be discussing this game almost like it's meant to be in the same universe of the original games but it's pretty obviously not and in a different timeline/universe from the original series. It may not have been a masterpiece but it was at least a potentially good foundation for an alternate timeline for new SH to work from. I mean lets be realistic that by the time origins and SH homecoming came out the SH story was convoluted at best. From game 1 it was really but by 5 it was just....confusing. In my opinion really the issue with shattered memories was that it was to short and therefore did not have time to full realize and expand on some of the excellent ideas it had gameplay and story wise. Some of the puzzles, while being to easy, were fairly fun and made good use of the controls on the wii and could have been interesting, again if the puzzles had been given more time to expand on them. I do wonder how much of that is development issues we dont know about caused by konami given how bad it is to work with konami as reported by many people who worked for them especially on the SH series (see the development issues with SH HD remakes for an example).
@@alteredstates927 i mean it changed based on your decisions subtly,i don't see what went wrong here according to you.
GhenryPerez Looking back that really wasn't the best word to use in here, yeah. Didn't mean to resume your thoughts as "LOL I HATED IT". What i meant to say was only that i disagree with this view of the game, but absolutely it's still important to have different views on media.
After all this time SM is the Silent Hill i still think of besides SH2 as what made the series interesting, to me at least. It showed how the series could still be relevant and push the medium forward somehow.
Still liked the video and love your chanel c:
I feel like the best thing that came out of Silent Hill Homecoming was it's enemy and boss designs especially the Scarlet Doll boss, personally that is one of the creepiest monsters I've seen in any game and the music that plays when you fight it fits perfectly.
Meanwhile, the arcade game (which came out a year earlier) had a boss that looked strikingly similar.
@@Ghenry I unfortunately never played or even knew about the arcade game, but seeing it in motion along with the music just really did it for me.
Homecoming was a disaster but some of the boss designs were interesting like the one you mentioned and Asphyxia or whatever her name was, the one that died by suffocation and to hurt her you actually have to remove the hands from her throat and force her to breathe.
"I bought NIghtcry"
I'm so sorry.
It's not 'that' bad
@@Ghenry Have you tried Remothered yet? I heard it's pretty good, albeit with a somewhat jumbled story.
@@chrisossu2070 Remothered had terrible dialogue at the end that destroyed it all for me. It felt like watching a terrible PSOne cutscene.
@@chrisossu2070 I remembered that Keiichiro Toyama, creator of the Silent Hill series and Forbidden Siren, expressed his admiration for Remothered and hoped to collaborate with Chris Darril.
Shattered memories sounds messy but it inspired the therapy sessions in until dawn a pretty awesome choose your own adventure horror
I watched an LP of Shattered Memories and I really liked that. I like the more experimental games like this and The Room. I think Shattered Memories tells a good tale and that it's not "classic" Silent Hill should not be held against it, lest you get more pretenders like Homecoming.
I was excited for a kojima silent hill because he is an autuer, and because he had junji ito and del torro on board. When he is passionate he tends to devote his full energy into a project and it always creates something interesting...
Then we get mgs4 and mgs5 which we know he didn't want to make and riddled with complaints.
I would love team silent to come back. But honestly even with them I wouldn't trust konami at this point.
@Christopher Marlowe Its not that no one likes Kojima. It's when people keep hyping him as if he was the original creator of Silent Hill himself and that no one else can do the game justice is what a lot of people have a problem with. This is the case that's being made and it's something I've seen too much in social media and other areas.
@Christopher Marlowe There's a difference between hating Kojima and laughing at the fact that people think SH can't be SH without Kojima
i played only 1, 4 and downpour (i liked the latter too) and liked to see longplays of 2 and 3, i hope to see a new silent hill one day, hoping that the "sony acquired konami IPs" rumor is true tho.
btw, a playable teaser was the best horror experience than every single horror game of the 2010s, i still cry for silent hills cancellation... junji ito was the enemy designer for god sake :(
I love Shattered Memories, but you have to divorce it from the series' trappings to really appreciate it. It's a moody and atmospheric, more of an experience than a game; it's an early "walking sim" that absolutely nails the exploratory sections even if the chase sequences are formulaic and admittedly tiring. I think the vague, dreamlike feel adds to the sense of isolation, and the twist surprised me personally, framing the game more as a tribute to SH3.
In that respect, as its own independent game, Shattered Memories does not work as well as it should. But its story beats are relatable, its characters understated but poignant, and its ambience is powerful, and as a revisiting of the original games, I can't really think of something more suitable.
I just had my fill of Silent Hill over at Avalanche Reviews but what the hell I’ll watch yours too
"I try to look at the best in everything now"
Would have surprised me considering how hard you trashed on everything western silent hill. Even the movie lmao
Kinda tells you something about these pieces.
GhenryPerez I think you went too hard on Shattered Memories. Viewing it as it’s own piece instead of connected to the original I think it honestly is a great game. I completely disagree with your takes on both the story and exploration. I loved the gameplay loop and it didn’t feel formulaic at all to me. I personally did not guess the twist and the story really hit me hard due to having a father who recently committed suicide. To this day Shattered Memories has one of my favorite video game stories. The only valid criticism I subscribed to for it is that the chase sequences were bad all around.
I saw somewhere that supposedly konami wants to make multiple silent hill games one with kojima and one with members of the original team. It is probably fake news but I hope they actually do it.
What you mentioned at the end about indy games makes me want to ask a question. Are you ok with receiving early review copies from indy devs?
I like the games post Team Silent but Yamaoka's music carrying the games is probably a big reason for that. Homecoming's soundtrack especially is absolutely fantastic, and of course McGlynn's vocals
Great video as always but I think the moment you criticism the influences of the western developers is a bit confused. You point out throughout the video that the western devs were never able to capture the feeling of the original games and that they kept deviating and trying boring western horror tropes instead, but then go on to say that the western games were always trying to copy the originals and never tried they're own thing. Unless I've misunderstood your point of course.
I think what he means is the western developers keep missing the mark. JP SH is influenced by western horror but still has a distincly japanese execution of the concept: subtletley and psych horror. Most western devs just see the western horror influence and not the JP horror one, so they just resort to using western tropes at face value, but then never seem to understand why they never captured the feeling of the original, despite the fact they literally missed a key ingredient.
Silent Hill has been one of my favourite series ever since I found the trailer for Silent Hill 2 on the bonus-disc that I got with MGS2 and was deeply fascinated by it. Since then I've replayed the classics several times, with 3 being my personal favourite. They truly are something special, and I think it would be hard to replicate that feeling even if you could get the the band back together. But that really isn't a problem as long as people can play the classics, so even if the quality of the non-team Silent-games are... up for debate, it wouldn't matter if Konami would just make the original classics available somewhere. As such, I think the whole "HD"-debacle is much worse than any of the new games.
Speaking of the new games, I think Origins and Homecoming are the worst, while SH:SM and Downpour can work when viewed as their own thing. Origins and SM are the most playable, with few bugs, decent gameplay-loops and presentation, but Origins misunderstands the story of SH1 in such a major way that I can't get myself to like it, despite it being a descent enough game. SM has references to the original, but they work, since it's a re-imagining that just takes inspiration from the orignal while doing its own thing. It has many flaws, but I enjoyed it the most of the "new" games.
Homecoming and Downpour are both of questionable technical quality, but Downpour manages to have some interesting characters and ideas, and takes obvious inspiration from SH2 without ripping it of, while Homecoming is a ripoff and/or a bad copy of previous games (and the movie) in almost every way, and the ideas that aren't a ripff are terrible. Like the combat, the modern gaming tropes of the time with buttonpressing that only works as padding. Downpour has flaws, but there are interesting ideas that could have worked with more development-time or a sequel, but Homecoming is just downright bad!
Sorry for all that. This really was an interesting video, and I agree with your points. It's really sad how this series has been treated by both Konami and fans. Keep up the good work!
yea cant agree on Shattered memories thoughts. I honestly loved that game and it left a big impact on me and out of the western Silent Hill games is by far the one I like the most.
Hidieo Kojimas dominance in the popular opinion about the silent hill games wont last .
It already did, Kojima illusion of being a competent developer shattered with death stranding. It outed him as a lucky charismatic guy who knows a couple Hollywood stars.
Style over substance is kojimas Moto.
And many, including me, are happy kojima is not involved in Silent Hill, although I guess del Toro could have reigned kojima into something respectable
wow this video does not do shattered memories justice,it's a really good physiological horror game and this guy gave a huge understatement of the whole experience.
Nah it stinks
I agree its disappointing to see people think of Kojima as the man behind Silent Hill now, but I also think its important to note, the last really great original Silent Hill games were back on PS2, and if we're being honest, there's a very good portion of the gaming population that wasn't around for those games, or may not have been into gaming yet. I think when this is brought up, it makes sense that a lot of people don't know the original developers and such, particularly because of how difficult it is to get a hold of the original Silent Hill games nowadays. I admittedly wasn't around for them and the series really intrigued me, but I wasn't able to play them until I scrounged around for the game and had to figure out how to get it running on a modern PC, and I think that's more the average person with mild interest in the franchise is willing to do. They aren't available for download on any system to my knowledge, and the only way to really get a "modern port" of the games is through the HD collection which still isn't the easiest to come by, at least in my experience. Great analysis by the way, it was very interesting and the cultural aspect you brought up really helped make sense of why these games didn't turn out so great.
I agree with this and I think he was being very unfair by generalizing the reasons why people thought that Kojima was the face of SH. You're right that the original four games made by Team Silent are over a decade old at this point and to my knowledge,they've never been released digitally either. The only way to play SH1 would be to go online and hope to get a copy that isn't expensive and have a PS1,an old gaming console. And the average person is simply not willing to go through those hoops.
There is the HD Collection but: 1) it only has SH 2&3 2) It doesn't even include SH4, and 3)It's a terrible port in general that changes many things from the original games like the voice actors and is from a technical standpoint a buggy mess to boot. So the HD Collection is not the best place to start learning about the older games
Wow can you even imagine a Silent Hill without Kojima?
Easy.
Games 1 through 4. No Kojima whatsoever.
@@dbzfanjodi Yeah I'm pretty sure he was being ironic
@@Igneeka They'll never learn. For all the puzzles solved and items found, so many survival horror fans still suck at using context clues.
Yes, but not without Solid Snake
I played Homecoming when it was first released and I have fond memories of it, though I am pretty sure it was my first silent hill game, at the very least it was the first silent hill game I played to completion before I finished 2 and 3 a couple years later.
Though the thing that stuck out biggest from my mind is I enjoyed the fact that you could wreck the monsters without taking hits with timed dodges, and you could sneak up on monsters with the flashlight off, so yeah it wasn't much of a horror game, but it was a decent enough action game, that empowered you by kicking the asses of so called scary monsters.
A new GP vid while I'm stuck in lockdown. Yes please. Awesome vid, my dude. Great work
Why do all the post mortem silent hill games try so hard to be like dead space? Or any generic horror action game?
Dead Space is western as well so that's probably the reason.
@@baroquechevalier8516 Though Deadspace came out sometime after Origins & Homecoming...!
Tbf dead space is a pretty good love letter for resident evil 4.
Dead Space generic? Lol, try one of the first person walking simulators, now that's generic
The first Silent Hill game is still the best among this series, I remember being traumatized like it psyched your sanity
Out of all these western SH games, Shatter memories was the only one that felt like a SH game. Not much the creepy vibe, but the emotional journey itself. It gave me SH2 vibes, that lost/confused/hope. The ending for me got me, and even made me cry a little. Idk just watching how much Harry loves his daughter and how heartbroken Cheryl was got to me. Also the way the game changed with what you interacted was pretty cool ( I got the good father ending,The game didn't change much for me when I looked at things.)
Those other games are straight up trash though.
FACT: there are no silent hill games after SH4:The Room.
CHANGE MY MIND.
The use of Clock Tower music is appreciated.
Personally I think part of the problem at least was that the mid-2000's was a changing time in the horror landscape and a lot of the western media that had inspired the Silent Hill franchise (Jacob's Ladder, The Mist etc) had given way to bombastic over the top bullshit that the consumer audience of the time were slavering for (Platinum Dunes remakes, torture porn etc). Nobody remembers Jacob's Ladder or any of Silent Hill's western influences and if they do, its because they're heavily invested in the franchise or they're film buffs. Even Resident Evil was adjusting to this dynamic, and we got RE6 as an end result of that.
Despite what I hear a lot, Japanese horror isn't just slow, psychological stuff. They can do splatter as well (Tokyo Gore Police for example), but I'd say that the western developers either forgot or abandoned much of the franchise's roots in favour of fanservice, the American horror of the style at the time or (given this is Konami) the franchise was poorly handed because Konami are a bunch of money-grubbing, employee-abusing, dick-whistlers.
A decent video.
I disagree on allot of it, shattered memories is my joint 2nd in fave games (sh2 first then sh3 ) I love the atmosphere, the sexuality and different levels of story. A great game and it wasn't trying to ape the first 4 games at all. And I couldn't get it out my head for weeks. Just like the first 4.
However the main issue is your criticisms of the western studios. Especially regarding the HD remaster. Konami had "lost" the source code and provided only buggy early builds and rediculous time and budget constraints.
Which knowing Konami also plagued the other games.
My issue with the source code thing is that its not a good excuse. Its actually been pointed out before that archive data is not necessary at all. For example Blue Point who made many well done HD remasters never relied on source code. Instead they found old working retail copies of the games and reverse engineered them which insured they had every bit of data they needed. Now I will agree though that Konami with their meddling did not help alot of these studios. It honestly really broke my heart when I learned that almost everything people hated on Tomm Hulett for was actually Konami excecs fucking things up. Tomm didn't deserve alot of the hate he got.
Blame Twin whatsit, they put all the blame on him without even looking into Konami.
Honestly I think Shattered Memories deserves more credit. I love 1-3, thought 4 was decent but was surprised at how great SM was and I would personally rank it higher than 4. Book of Memories is the only SH I haven't played (but does it even count really? XD) and Downpour is the only one I didn't finish and would easily rank the worst, I rather play Homecoming twice. My expectations when first playing SM though was "this game is gonna suck" because it's the same team that made Origins. Before the release I also wasn't a fan of the whole "a retelling of the first game" and was a bit hostile to the idea but damn I really enjoyed it!! I love the story, the characters, the plot twist at the end, the chase sequences were fucking scary, the psychological tests were fun, the music was great as always. I don't remember the performances being bad in SM but I do remember how awful Homecoming and Downpour were!!! Especially in the performances with the cheesy voice acting and weird facial animations (reminded me of morrowind hahaha). The graphics in SM for it's time and limited hardware were impressive, especially the lighting effects that were even incorporated in some puzzles. They had the psychological horror aspect in the story and gameplay. Stuff like Harry questioning his own self and the tests you take with a psychologist. You got a fresh "look" for the hellish part of Silent Hill. I liked how the gameplay wasn't about combat - being chased and only having a limited amount of time to decide what to do was scary and intense. I feel like RE7 took some inspiration from this as well. My only issues with the game was that it was predictable when you were safe or entering an area where you're gonna be chased. Also there were some gimmicky/easy puzzles that use the wiimote like moving a lock off a door but there still were some great puzzles like moving some objects around to reveal a passcode with their shadows on the wall. I think they were the closest team to understanding what makes a Silent Hill game but hey at least we got some awesome soundtracks from Akira and his quality never dipped over time. I would have loved to see Kojima's take on the series, I've always been curious as to what he would do after Metal Gear at that time. Death Stranding turned out great and I was happy with that game. For the future of Silent Hill I would only be excited if Konami sold the rights and are never able to put a fucking finger on it again. As well as Team Silent or Kojima or both hahaha making another entry. Heck I wouldn't even mind a remake of the first 3 games, kind of like what Capcom is doing with Resident Evil games at the moment.
Vault Dweller is a man who clearly has not played Homecoming or Downpour.
Vault Dweller How the hell did you play through the absolute shit shows that were Homecoming and Downpour multiple times
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 Well I've never finished Downpour XD and no joke for Homecoming I couldn't even beat a second time because the game kept on crashing at a certain spot. SM I have beaten several times just because it has some actual replay value to it and I just really enjoyed it as well.
Jordan M. Lacroix Yeah I hated the combat system in Downpour so much that I just stopped playing halfway through
@Vault Dweller Neh
I thought people complaining about Kojima being gone, and that being the end of Silent Hill was somewhat justified. Team Silent is long gone and doing their own things now, and Konami as a whole company doesn't really give a shit about making new games anymore or bringing back old devs. In fact there is rumor out now that Sony might purchase the rights to this franchise. More of the reason Konami really doesn't care about their IP's.
So with Kojima being gone, and people crying about it, I thought of it more as the hope of any new Silent Hill game was gone, especially since Kojima is the only one to publicly show interest in making a SH game, and Konami still owning the rights and not giving a damn. Not that Kojima is the end all be all of the franchise.
But hey, if Sony does purchase the franchise, maybe we will see Team Silent/Kojima return, maybe both?
Some of the comments he showed said things like "SH without Kojima is blasphemy" or "it won't really be SH without Kojima" so it's apparent that there's a common misconception that he was the original creator.
I honestly completely disagree with your opinion on Shattered Memories. I love the exploration and story. I didn’t think the twist was obvious at all was led up to very well. The only thing I think was bad was the chase sections. It was definitely my favourite post-team silent game.
The best part of Silent Hill: Homecoming are the nurses + Asphyxia, and literally only because of their design (and in the case of Asphyxia, her design + backstory).
No Scarlett mention?
Shattered memories was really good in my opinion, it was interesting to play through and I really enjoyed the therapy sessions, though I guessed that I was his daughter from the beginning cause predictible
I love the first four and Downpour, I like the others too.
Saying "Silent Hill would'nt be Silent Hill without Kojima." is like saying "Metal Gear wouldnt be Metal Gear without Silicon Knights."
The good things about SHO are the Sanatorium, the Theater and the Riverside Motel. The Sanatorium in particular is spooky as hell. Homecoming is. . . phew... Too deviant . Whoever developed it missed the point of SH. It was never about fighting or action. It was not about shoehorning monsters from a different character just because they are popular (why is Pyramid Head in SHH? It is James' monster!)
I think Pyramid Head appears in Homecoming as larger area is being eaten by Otherworld and their beliefs shape it. His father is also there and it is after him Pyramid Head is going. That is why it ignores Alex as he is not its target.
You just earned yourself a subscriber. It's sad to see how unremarkable a legendary franchise like Silent Hill became. To think there was a time it actually rivaled Resident Evil as the best horror video game franchise. Despite its lackluster output for the past decade, I'm still hoping for a new Silent Hill game.
Actually, Akira Yamaoka would probably be the easiest to get. He has his band sure, but he hasn't stopped making game soundtracks. In fact, there's a horror game he did the soundtrack for that was announced back at the Xbox SX "gameplay" reveal event.
not sure about you buddy, but when I say SIlent Hill, I don't immediately think about Piramid Head or feel the need to discuss him ... or give me nightmares, but when I mention SIlent Hill, it's because I'm talking about the nervewracking ambient sounds, often soothing melodies like SH2's forest OST (or the Bowling Alley music), the mushy, grainy and crusty design that makes me ache for a quick shower for making me feel so grungy and dirty, the haunting isolation and maybe THEN the monsters because let's face it, Pyramid Head is so often overhyped and overplayed, but he's not even scary or unnerving at all. I've jumped far more times from regular enemies quickly darting out from under cars or into the camera's view than Pyramid head slowly strolling towards me.
50:39 well, that aged well, considering (JUST as I was writing this) Konami recently debunk rumors that two Silent HIll games was in the works, one is from Project Siren/Gravity and and the other is from Kojima Productions.
but, I would love to see a new Siren game from Project Siren/Gravity in a Virtual Reality form, but it would be nice to have Kojima go back into Horror genre.
by the way, you mention Gravity Rush? but have you played Gravity Rush 2?
Man i would love to se a siren collection, Forbidden Siren 2 is so good, such a shame most people don't know it exist
Insulting silent hill shattered memories because it changes the first game is really a disservice to a excellent game
Sometimes dead is better.
Yep, I'm with GamingBrit on this one, proper death of this series is looong overdue. I mean, miracles happen, I guess (see RE and DOOM return to form), but I wouldn't bet on this, and dead is preferable to Homecoming: Origins of downpour every day of the week.
And, honestly, PT isn't all that either. I mean, It was fine for a standalone (just like SM), but there was barely anything Silent hill about it.
Honestly not viewing SM as connected to Silent Hill
I think it’s a genuinely great game and I wholeheartedly love it’s story
I was on the 'please let it die in peace' train also, but recently with games like God of War and Assassin's Creed, games I absolutely hated, have now gone through a reimagining of what those games could be, I think a competent company could make Silent Hill if they have access to real talent and artisanship.
Tucker Monticelli The issue is that I think everyone agrees that that company is not Konami
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 True, I would hope Konami would just license it out to Sony and get the free money from it while Sony actually builds a competent team.
Also, the seventh generation was a time In which video game developers assumed Survival horror was dead Their horror game weren't selling But they were making crappy survival horror and expecting that to sell great survival horror games if marketed properly sell. I also own the Silent Hill HD collection on PS3 That's my only way to play Silent Hill 2 and 3.
I'd be shocked if the west ever produced a decent Silent Hill game.
doorman360 imagine the wonders Capcom would have done to this series
Maybe not new games but wonderful remakes like resident evil
Silent hill is inspired by a western movie so...
They have, both Homecoming and Downpour average around 70/100 in Metacritic, fairly decent, not good but decent.
Subtlety is not a very western concept anymore.
27:30 - I think the endings of the modern games are what really killed it for me ultimately when it comes to 'story'. Sure, the stories in almost all of them are... a problem. But, I think what the westerners don't understand is that, when you have a bunch of endings that not only change the conclusion of the different events the player does... but also changes the character's past entirely, is bullshit.
Yes, some people point to Silent Hill 1's ultimate bad ending (although one can argue that it very much ties to how SH1 dealt with Harry dealing with the transitions and how he often found himself 'walking' up back and forth between the 'fog world' and 'otherworld' quite a few times, even having Harry falling asleep in the hidden shrine to show up by Lisa in the hospital, only to find himself go back to the hidden shrine), but even if it doesn't take into account the elements that could justify the bad ending's existence, the bad ending does not change Harry's past with Cheryl. Harry just dies.
Silent Hill Homecoming, Downpour, and Shattered Memories failed this by having the character's entire past and being change (it's so bad, that there is an ending in Downpour where murphy kills his OWN SON and wasn't murdered by the creep he beat nearly to death in the prison). Origin's is less bad with the endings, but it tried to make an origin game that tried to mix both SH1 the game and SH1 the movie... and if you looked at even a glance at either's story, trying to merge and mix the two together doesn't make any sense. The SH1 movie's story is trash and not in sync with SH1 Game, and them introducing the.... demon ghost girl from the SH1 Movie into the Origins game was trash... amongst other things.
And that's the general feeling about these games. They are cheap cash grabs, created for the sake of cash grabs, and have very little that is redeemable IMO. Considering the track record of the games that have been released so far thanks to the SH2 movie (which is also going to be trash), of those that are released and what will come, I don't have much hope in any of these things. Would rather Silent Hill just die already and Konami just go making their gamble machines until they hit the bucket as well.
I liked Shattered Memories and Origins well enough, they weren't as good as the original games for sure but I could tell they actually tried, I don't really know how I feel about Downpour, it's a very mixed bag for me, and yeah Homecoming was just terrible, it was literally everything that Silent Hill isn't, and I don't think I even need to mention Book of Memories, that game was so weird, no clue why they thought they should've made Silent Hill into an dungeon crawler.
"Of course bad point. And good point."
Absolutely adorable.
Tbh Silent hill shattered memories is actually good
nop
I feel so sad for anyone who started this series with Origins, Homecoming, or Downpour. I've met quite a few people who began with these games, much in the same way that people began the Souls series with Dark Souls 2 or 3 rather than the infinitely more exceptional Dark Souls 1 or Bloodborne.
Yeah, its sad really. I see them often I comments on SH videos, the ones who say those games are their fav because its the first they played.
Isn't it so strange that a demo for the PS4 surpassed every single one of these games and then proceeded to get replaced by Death Stranding?
trulu the darkest timeline
Then Death Stranding was overrated trash.
@@labenvenci1584 Death Stranding definitely isn't trash, but 100% is overrated.
Kind of happy it did though I don't think kojima could make a decent sh game
@@conorallen100 Metal Gear Solid 2? Where it goes full david lynch and tells you to turn the game off
20:10 This is literally reminds me of an internet debate, where you are judged based on whom you prefer to play as.
"If you choose to play as a male in 3rd person game, than you are a homosexual, because you look at man's ass. If you choose to play as a female, than you are a homosexual because you self insert yourself as a woman".
There is just no win situation 😐
The best part about Downpour was when Matt, from Two Best Friends, threw the fire axe into a pit on accident.
Ngl when I heard the themes for SH 1-4 I felt such a wave of nostalgia that I thought I was actually going to cry...
When I was younger I liked resident evil more, so I missed most of these games. I thought they were super similar as when you have kid money, you get very choosy with what games you buy.
I hope now you have seen the error of your ways
"For Homecoming therer's nothing positive"?
- Arguably the best boss out of the entire series, Scarlet.
- Several of the best tracks from the entire SH OST come from Homecoming.
- Some pretty inspired monster designs and locations (Hells Descent)
- Combat isn't as painful as the classic ones
Can we make one of those petitions to get team silent back for a new game, what are they called?
I really like shattered memories and downpour, I like the lore of homecoming, the backstory of Shepard’s glen and the sacrifices but I hated the game mechanics and the inclusion of pyramid head. It’s a shame because the character of Alex had so much potential, the sadness and confusion over how he was treated by his family and his relationship with them could have been explored much further. I wish it could be remade with much more originality behind it.
The west can never produce a truly great Silent Hill game because what made Silent Hill that unique in the first place was a very specific context involving a set of very specific japanese people adapting and transforming western tropes in a very specific late 90's/early 2000's context. And to be honest, I feel like even the Kojima directed Silent Hill would face similar backlash (Something he isn't a stranger to since MGS4 anyway)
ok weeb
I love that clip of Takayoshi Sato talking about imperfection. He's having a bit of trouble with a language he's not as fluent in as his native one and yet he's still able to get across the point, which is so incredibly fitting considering what the point is.
Also wow I didn't know quite how many people seem to think SH is Kojima's thing. I mean I still really wish I coulda seen what Silent Hills was gonna be, but if they just got even half of team silent back together to do an SH game it'd be fucking amazing and I'd start believing in god.
Oh and I didn't realize Masahiro Ito worked on MG Survive. That makes a lot of sense cuz there were some designs in there that I felt were pretty Silent Hill-y, and it helped that the dust zone looked really foggy.
Personally I really liked Shattered Memories reinterpretation of SH.
But I agree that it was a little too “on the rails”.
Wow, great video. I stopped what I was doing just to watch it. Amazing work and I learned so much. Thank you.
Personally I love Shattered Memories almost as much as I love SH2.
same
I think it's important to keep in mind that back when it came out people outright HATED Silent Hill 4 for being "too different" from the previous 3 games. So it only makes sense that for the next few titles Konami tried to push the "iconic" aspects of the series as hard as possible in an attempt to regain good will with the people who felt bummed by SH4.
I recently went back to play Downpour. I still enjoy it. But damn does it run terribly. Haha.
"I hated it when I was a dumb teenager and I hate it now as a dumb adult"
This is so relatable. I fucking hate Homecoming so much from the bottom of my heart. It is one of my least favourite games I've ever played, and I replayed it very recently for the first time in years, since I too have become much less hateful in my later years, but no, I hate that garbage fire of a dumpster game.
I think that Silent Hill shattered memories was unfair, your general summation of what happened in this game could literally be done for ANY game that has ever existed.
Not a good one there.
Silent Hill Shattered Memories should have either been a stealth sequel to SH1 and SH3 told from Heather's perspective trying to deal with her memories of Alessa and the death of her father, and Cybil is still alive.
Or a straight modernized remake of SH1 with a Until Dawn branching system based on the character's decisions. One play through will allow you to get the plot of SH1, while another will get you the one you get in Shattered Memories. Options.
And it's way too short, the running from the monsters keeps you from appreciating the details of the Otherworld.