Omg i didn't realize the person sending the messages was a total stranger to him. Of course he responded dismissively omg i would too if a stranger came at me that aggressively out of nowhere
Right. I originally assumed the dumb joke was because he didn't know who she was and she didn't really name any names so how would he know who the hell she's talking about anyway? I thought it was a smartass response like "ok. Unfollowing SpongeBob SquarePants". Lol. I do stuff like that to people who message and talk to me like I'm supposed to know who they are.
this was an interesting point to me to, because louis framed it as "alice's friend" in his hit piece, when that clearly was a stretch of the truth at best. it wouldnt even surprise me if papa gut theory of it being either louis or kati on an alt account trying to entrap him was true lol, that would explain why they were so offended by getting that message compared to some random fan passing the screenshots along. its very pearl clutchy either way
The whole beef curtains thing is driving me crazy. It is considered quite vulgar in England. In Scotland (where Dankyjabo) lives it’s much less vulgar but I have never in my 38 years heard it be described as racist.
As a woc, it is a very vulgar term but when I hear people use it the intentions are never racist. And that’s ok because words are all about context and it was a joke either way. It’s giving neither of these white people have ever heard that term in real life so they had to look it up and went with the textbook definition..
Exactly it’s very vulgar but it is meant to dehumanize a woman regardless of color. If you’re a woman deficient in melanin, the “roast beef” is rare/medium rare. The joke has to do with the texture.
I mean if someone tells me not to say it sure I won't but the amount of words to describe both genitals is insane never really understood why people care.
Kati harping that white women are the only ones who have “no pigment down there” and reading a comment out loud on live that prepubescent girls have no pigment until they hit puberty was so incredibly insane to me. I have never in my life seen a person so loud and so wrong. Thank you for the reupload of this, I was partway through when it went to members only so I’m grateful I can finish it now!
I started getting recommend her videos out of nowhere but I never vibed with her takes. I really dislike her opinions about sex work and porn. She's very vocal about women in SW not being feminist and that it reenforces misogyny. I don't entirely disagree with that, but SW isn't some sort of feminist protest. I know so many women who do SW to survive. Theyre not trying to dismantle or politicize anything, it's literally their job. It gives me chronically online vibes the way she doesn't humanise other women enough to allow them to choose what to do with their bodies. Freedom of choice and bodily autonomy is what matters to me the most as a feminist woman, not centering our existence and experiences only in comparison to men.
@@oidointoi I went deeper into her videos and its bad, how she speaks about a lot of women online is weird and very anti-feminist, I also had her videos just appear in my algorithm , honestly I wish I never heard of her its just bad takes after bad takes
@@carwashgirl3541 They both said they were the perfect youtuber for basically the same reason. Even when I was a little more partial to their side of things, it struck me as really icky.
13:34 I believe him when he says he wasn't friends with Allexx. It was just a business relationship. Katie and Louis are nothing but hypocrites. Louis was delighted to be mocking Jesse's accent. He was way too happy to put baseless accusations out there. It's hilarious how they say Jesse doesn't deserve his channel. He's not the one accusing people with no proof. I can't stand people like Louis. He sure didn't learn his lesson from messing up another situation right before this. I'm sick of these RUclipsrs like him who just sling shit and think an apology video is enough.
@@tetes1192 I am unsure of most of the details, but it seems like Louis McClung has a reputation for running with misinformation like it’s the gospel truth and then when he’s (rightfully) called out he gives a quick “I’m sorry” video and goes back to business as usual. He’s not a reliable source of information and apparently there have been other incidents like the current one with Jesse.
All ive been able to see was the blake lively situation, which tbf seemed more like a bandwagon than anything. He still needs to work on actul research and not what hes heard from other ytbers@endergamer7483
@@endergamer7483 and he justifies the perpetual behavior because he "takes accountability every time" because he's such a good person. In fact, he's better than aaaalll the other commentary RUclipsrs.
I got eaten alive for calling him out on mocking accents on his first video. They both seem to weaponize their fanbase; not once have either of them told their fans to back off and stop harassing Jessie’s fans. Idk who the other guy is so can’t speak on that
46:53 He admitted that he has no life experience. He spent his whole life alone in his bedroom. I don't think he knows what nuance means. Sorry I'm commenting so much. This Louis guy pisses me off.
That goddam word. That's one thing I hate about the internet. One person says a random bougie-ass word and everybody runs with that crap for months on end until I can't stand language itself anymore. Lol
am i stupid or does anyone else fail to understand how any of this even started? how do we go from “this guy edited videos for im alex” to “this guy is defending im alex”??
Okay, bear with me because I think I've got it. Kati is friends with Alice, Alice is ImAlex's ex. Jesse talked to Kati in which he said he's glad ImAlex gave him a chance in the industry. Kati interpreted that to mean Jesse is friends with him. A friend of Kati then messaged Jesse (fishing) and he answered with the annoying orange joke. This friend screenshoted it and sent it to Kati who then took that to mean Jesse was still friends with ImAlex. Then something something I don't actually understand, but it ends with Kati wanting to expose Jesse as an abuse apologist. Louis threw himself on this hoping for his next big scoop. There, the whole beautiful high school teen drama in all it's glory and it is time for me to log off the internet.
@@diamondsofsix that was actually very helpful, thank you. and reading it made me feel like i was back in high school smoking a cigarette in the girls bathroom lmao
@@diamondsofsix I think louis decided to include himself after seeing dangelo wallace call out cody ko. he thought he could replicate this and be a white knight to katie.
I can't blame jabo's response in the DMs. I would have been very annoyed if someone were to come up to me all heated while I have zero clue about the wrongdoing of the other person the other will refer to. That's NOT how you talk to people.
2:17:10 Here's the way I see it: Kati took it upon herself to sensationalize her abuse and use it as a weapon against an innocent person, which could have destroyed their career/life. So if people question whether she was abused or make fun of her, thats what she gets. She chose to make Jessie out to be the second coming of Chris Brown for making a joke about Lola Bunny. The only people who are obligated to give her grace or validation is her close friends, her family, her therapist and whatever God she prays to, not random people on the internet. Period.
Plus with how they say Jesse let Alex willfully manipulate him you could say the same thing about her with this abusive relationship where she “watched him get worse and worse”
@@KaiserShounen I feel like the biggest ahhhole coz it did cross my mind that she faked, or greatly exaggerated, the abuse she went thru. Like insinuating someone is a pedo for commenting on cartoon rabbit tits is such a wild stretch. What else does she lie about? I feel like such a pos for having this thought process ☹️
@@acat674 And its fair to feel that way. Abuse is really bad and we don't want anyone to go through it. But fact is, if she was abused, she is needlessly weaponizing her experience to punish someone for a minor slight. Its unhealthy and people have the right to feel cheated.
The meat curtains thing is so aggravating because it's something that CAN be used derogatory, but that doesnt mean it IS being used maliciously. They use this term and RUN with it. He used it to sound funny, because vulgar words make people laugh. Also, the assumption that all black girls have dark vag and all white girls have pink ones and using that as some weird way to say a black person is racist is absolutely wild. She's literally the one asserting that dark vags are bad and adding that to the conversation. They def looked up the history of the word and went from there.
I was also so confused by that when I first saw it in his live and then Louis’s video. I’ve heard that term, and I’ve used it, even referring to myself. It’s dirty, and can be gross depending on context, but is not inherently misogynistic. Beef curtains, a dumb joke about the annoying orange, and calling a cartoon hippo a whore being some of the main evidence for this controversy just felt like an absolute fever dream.
when i first saw the "drama" i was shocked, never had an issue with Dankyjabo and honestly felt that his commentary was a breath of fresh air. As soon as I saw Kati and Louis's videos i thought they were satire until I realized these two genuinely had beef with him. I feel like they're threatened by an up and coming commentary channel and decided to dislike him for cancel culture sake and shock value. They should do more than just apologize, they could have seriously ruined Danky's career or life with this bs accusations. They caused people to form incorrect judgments and form hate for someone based on lies and bias. Now for the entirety of Danky's career moving forward, he will have to reexplain this situation and his innocence, regardless of how many "apologies" there two boneheads make. They realized they couldn't put him in a bad light so easily and are now scrapping for any form of redemption to not be in the hot seat. Kati saying she has a clean internet history and can therefore judge other's is self incriminating itself, as we've seen with past evidence of other videos she has made in poor taste.
I honestly think that katiclyzm probably reacted because she's a victim of abuse and because she's friends with alice. It makes sense for her to have been triggered by this and take it too far - not that it's an excuse, but I can definitely see where she might've been coming from. I feel bad, even, knowing from personal experience how much that kind of thing can warp your perspective on things. The other two however, I definitely agree with papa gut here, they probably have some kind of crush on her. Especially with louis going out of his way to say that dankyjabo "probably has a crush on katiclyzm"... like, the call's coming from inside the house. Feels like obvious projection. Also the fact he seemed to have absolutely no idea what he was actually talking about, making up all sorts of accusations just for the sake of making the argument look better/to impress her. It's ridiculous Edit: typos
@@Caprisunsz I realize there are two sides to every coin, but this situation makes it hard for me to see that. I too am a victim of abuse, yet I would never use that as an excuse to avoid accountability. She is human, I will give her that, We've all been quick to judge and harsh towards criticisms that relate to past trauma. BUT this is never a good reason to try and ruin someone's reputation, literal defamation of character. I don't even understand what she was offended by, nothing Danky did was directly at her in any way that should have sparked that reaction from her. He follows someone she doesn't like. okay? He responded to your friend's offhand dm with an reply that matched the same energy, okay? He prefers calls over texts, okay? I could get behind your claim if it was simply an overreaction, but this was not. This was an obvious and direct attempt to cancel Dankyjabo, not some spur of the moment trigger that went too far. Kati and Louis had intention and malice in their actions accompanied by a hero complex, it's gross. Also, this is PURELY internet beef, never once have these people met in real life. Meaning it was all just words and opinions... If Kati's trauma causes this kind of reaction, she should consider therapy or something to help her manage these triggers in an appropriate manner. The victim card only goes so far. And as Papa stated, this is only a valid excuse once, now she knows better. As for Louis, he is a nice guy simp, that's it lol. I do appreciate you shedding some light on another side to this coin, but I will also have to apologize for my stubbornness on not agreeing with it. Every victim is triggered differently, but overall we have to hold ourselves accountable just like any other person because at face value no one cares what you're a victim of when you come off as a shitty person.
Im a woman, and I’ve been watching Dankyjabo for a couple of months, and I never got the feeling there was any misogyny in his videos. I might be oblivious, but i usually catch on misogyny pretty easily…
as a woman i feel the same. i only just started watching jesse a few weeks ago, so when i saw kati's livestream and louis's video, i was wrongfully disappointed in jesse. im glad jesse responded, and im glad logical adults with platforms are speaking out on his behalf too :>
Been watching him for a while, no misogyny, respectful of gender identities, no racism or ableism in sight... Will come for pedos and child abusers, but honestly, so would most ppl. He just gets outraged when ppl mistreat others and lie. Them targeting him was so bizarre. Like, were they not getting enough attention? I think Papa Gut is right, the two guys based their opinion off of Kati's videos and are giving the vibe offighting for her attention. She did it cuz she's trying to attack anyone who iamalexx ever knew based on her abuse experience. She needs to get the one up on an abuser so badly that she attacks innocent ppl and we lamders them. I hope dankyjabo sues, he'd have an easy win against all three of them.
it’s so refreshing hearing a logical adult speak about this. luis and kat are very young and dumb and aren’t aware of that. it’s one thing to be naive and aware of it but they think they know everything and miss the mark so much
Honestly, that's a typical early 20 something, right? They've finally begun to clear the teen haze and are able to put two and two together, so now they think they're math geniuses. We've all been young and dumb, the difference is that these people are blasting that on the internet to hundreds of thousands of people. Ouch.
This! This right here! Could they be terrible people? Yes, could they have been young and dumb? Also yes, was what they did ok? Heck no but people who are jumping to conclusions (on both sides) are also no better and I got called biased for that.
"Come on my show!" Translation: "Come and help continue to make money off of your downfall!" So. Gross. His whole attitude and tone is so wholly egotistical and "holier than thou".
@@roetcI've clicked on one of his regular vids before and had the same reaction and asked RUclips to stop recommending me his channel 🤣 the voice and energy alone was toooo much
@@stuffroom979 i'm glad i'm not the only one who got the ick from him, there was just always something off in his energy. maybe it's the fan continuously blowing at his hair tho
I laughed when he said that and in the same breath said "and I will interview you, UNBIASED". Like .......WHAT?! HOW? Did he, during his video that was titled "Dankyjaboo SUCKS!!" And the whole time he slanders, ridicules and picked apart the poor kid, he really thought he was being unbiased?
this whole situation is so strange. in louis’ deleted video he shows some of the messages exchanged between kat and jesse that kat provided-for some reason, she lied about details of the call between them, and then went on to say that jesse abruptly hung up the call to dodge questions?? like, why? how could this possibly not be out of malicious intent???
It’s kinda wild that in a delusional effort to defend black women, they’re stereotyping him as an ignorant black man. And I hate doing this, but as a black woman, beef curtains isn’t an offensive term. I and many other women i know have used the term at some point without it being derogatory. Beef can range from pink to brown, so it’s really weird that these white creators immediately thought of black women specifically. I’ve never heard the term used to refer to just black women. Huge nothing burger.
Exactly. Have Louis and Katiclyzm never seen rare/medium rare roast beef? That’s half the joke, that roast beef and women’s g*nitalia come in the same range of colors. The other half is the texture. It’s not a corn thing. In fact, people that watch a lot of that expect women to /NOT/ look wrinkled/“beef like.”
LITERALLY!! It threw me off that they heard “beef curtains” and immediately thought “wow this is racist towards black women”. Why on earth is that your automatic association? Says more about Katie than it does Jessie.
His whole video was a mic drop! I'm proud of him! Jack Swallow and his friend should just go ahead and hang it up. Louis had just admitted to messing up another story. 1:32 Well, I can't appreciate it, not after the way Louis tried to put down Jesse and say he was the one trying to flirt with Katie.
6:31 Assuming creators are friends because they have similar thumbnails is like assuming authors are friends because they have similar book covers. It's just a way to distinguish the genre of content they create. Look at how similar movie review channels, makeup channels, and booktuber channels are to each other.
Thats true. They also say that alex and Jesse have similar editing styles so it's proof they still have a friendship. Not taking into account that Jesse was Alex's editor😂😂 of course they have similar styles when Jesse edited videos for both channels
Louis was so sassily gleeful about providing a "moral" high ground argument about Danky that it immediately made me not trust what he has to say.... even though he was proven to be wrong and malicious. Serious "allegations" presented in such a tone immediately give me red flags.
Louis seems to emulate miniminuteman. He even looks the same😂 copied his style but it just comes off very forced. He definitely has potential to be entertaining but he seems way to happy trying to ruin someone's career. Doubling down, deleting videos. He doesn't really care what the truth is. He cares about the public perception.
As someone who used to watch him, he's always had that type of attitude when discussing the ppl and information in his videos. Louis loves to fling insults abt the ppl he talks about in his videos, but when he talked all that about Danky with zero substantial information, he got hit with karma.
i remember trying to watch katiclyzm and finding her kinda weird abt women 💀, like the type of feminist that views porn/sex industry as the root of all evil and acting like women in the industry have no agency and could never enjoy their job (yea there’s exploitation and lots of terrible shit but acting like since it involves women and sex its uniquely evil, and could never be not that, is weird)
She’s been giving me terf vibes for a while and demonizing sex work is one of the tell tale signs of that ilk. She was also extremely transphobic in a video about Lily Tino (which I don’t like Lily Tino at all but as grown adults we can dislike someone AND not be transphobic)
i also hate the anti-sex work stance of some feminists; in addition to the assumption participants lack agency, it also continues to perpetuate othering and oppression for the people in those jobs. if you support women, you also support the ones who make money for sex work. it’s that simple
Bro the point about phone calls drives me up a wall. I’m in my early 20s and it’s clear these people have never had to function in a standard business environment 😂 literal 15 yr old behavior from actual adults. My boss and I always joke about people thinking phone calls are equivalent to world war three 😂
The jojo jokes he makes are so funny to me. If Louis hates “sexist” jokes so much why is he supporting a show that made a joke about an orangutan sexually assaulting a 12 year old girl?
Good point. If he thinks that making or consuming sexist jokes makes you a misogynist then he needs to stay clear of the majority of anime and manga :')
You're right about these ppl changing their minds with every response lol I've seen it in their comments, it's so interesting, like little babies fresh to the world
Not to mention it wouldn't matter what kind of apology Louis makes, his fans will still tell him he made the best and most level-headed apology in the history of youtube
@@piagebot2943the real question is, what is even a good apology? It seems like no matter what is made people seem to be hardcore stuck to the "once you mess up its immediately horrible irreversible and you can never grow ever again" mindset At some poiny yhe audience needs to stop being more upset than the actual people involved, creates more stress for the people who are tryna move on
@@sleepiimilkii7365 honestly I don't know nor do I care, but I'm just saying it doesn't matter what Louis says, his audience is going to agree with him. The chat in the livestream reaction that he did also agreed with him. The real thing is it's not their apology to accept, so how do they know if it's level headed when they were supporting louis' claims before
@@sleepiimilkii7365 @piagebot2943 I agree with both your points tbh, it's scary that most his fans are immediately forgiving him but also we shouldn't jump to conclusions and assume that people are never able to grow and learn from what they did.
i feel like ‘being poor’ and being young and new to the specific industry, change the context massively. poor kind of goes hand in hand with young and new to the work force, but i think that framing in and if itself gives a bad faith perspective on their relationship and his gratitude to alex for the opportunity. by making out that he owes his life and wealth to alex, when the reality is they had a purely business relationship that concluded over 6 months ago. i don’t even really get what any of this had to do with the 2 of them anyway 💀
One thing those ppl ignored is that dude was working for him not even a year ago and might have an NDA or something else so he cant involve himself publicly. Forcing his hand to make him speak publicly is weird
Louis' production quality is usually better in his videos. The "apology" video he did seemed so low effort. It is almost like it was more important for Louis to cover his ass than for the apology to actually mean anything. Same with Katiclyzm. I unsubscribed from both of them because of this. I had had disagreements with their takes in the past and was really noticing their need to sensationalise everything anyway so this was just the straw that broke the camels back. Forcing someone to out themselves is beyond the pale and in my opinion, unforgivable.
Plus the fact that in Louis’ (now deleted) live, (I watched a reupload) when he saw that dankyjabo was forced to come out he just said “hell yeah, represent”
Katiclyzm is one of the worst content creators to begin with. I wasn't even aware of this drama but I am totally not surprised. This seems exactly like the thing she would do/say.
@@KvngLeroy1 She is self absorbed and self important. She believes whatever she thinks is right. This situation proves it. Even her new apology video is all about her.
@@KvngLeroy1both of them just mainly care about themselves… to the point where, you’re making anime edits of yourself “versus” people, watching a small bit of Luis you can tell he’s full of himself… he glazes himself throughout his video edits and words… cat kinda does the same but not to the same extent, she’s mainly misandrist, and luring.. she goes out of the way to have such a common opinion in hopes of gathering a basic general following.. not the worst thing but just, “abuse bad” and then holding herself up on a higher pedestal is just silly.
I wouldn’t say she’s one of the worst, but man I struggle to watch her videos. She just has this energy that I can’t help being bothered by. Mcclung on the other hand? He’s unwatchable. His voice grates my ears like crazy.
Because they're hypocrites. That's it. That's the whoooooole thing... they're simply hypocrites, grasping at straws to get rid of a man they know nothing about, for no valid reason.
I can’t believe no one has brought up how Louis mock police brutality. Talk about lack of nuance. A poc is saying he’s being policed and the white man jokes about how proper policing is police shooting suspects, which has notoriously affected male poc more than white men like Louis.
These shameful creators are just upset that Alex went dark so they can’t continue to make videos on his drama, so they found the closest person to him that would respond. His former editor
Louis and Kat made Apology vids and they feel very much like a Minecraft speed run, The vids are so short to the point where it feels like they are doing to not ruin their careers, Louis vid is 3 minutes and Kats is 8 and it so sad.
Thank you! I have the same take on the whole thing. I'm quickly reminded that I'm so much older than these people. It's the same type of drama that my kids have. It's making my hair gray and my back hurt.
When Louis said he didn't have friends before youtube. he should know that there's a chance that he is mean and that people dont like that. Him and kati can make a fly into a elephant.
I think she should go to a therapist instead of making videos online and talking to strangers about her experiences being abused because it’s clear from watching her that she still has some unresolved trauma from it and the fact she keeps talking about her ex even after two years after the breakup shows she still can’t get over the relationship and what happened and that she hasn’t healed from it. It’s best she gets help and therapy instead of projecting what happened to her on anything and others plus she shouldn’t be giving advice about how to deal with abuse when she clearly still hasn’t healed from it fully.
honestly, imo dankyjabo's biggest crime was saying "meat flaps". idk if its sexist or racist or anything, but it is a really gross sounding phrase LMAO
It's crass body humor, similar to a fart joke. Some people laugh it off, some people are put off by it. Mostly, I've heard women say it about themselves, like "My roast beef/meat flaps would escape to freedom from that pair of Skims underwear. Can't wear that!" I don't think I've ever actually heard men saying it about women, let alone WOC.
Something I've noticed about these younger commentary youtubers is that they don't tend to do well with original stories. They thrive when they're covering trending topics that other people have already formulated the popular opinion on. But when they try to 'break' original stories it falls flat. I think it's because they're so young and get overtaken by the excitement of exposing someone, and they don't necessarily have the tools or maturity to think over the ethics and long-term repercussions.
Calling someone a "nuance lacking goblin" and immediately following it up with "I'll give you an unbiased interview :)" was INSANE. I think everyone in this situation falls into the same pitfalls and mistakes from time to time. Poorly researched topics, distasteful remarks, all that. At least with how things stand right now, it feels like dog piling on someone for any reason they can and not for the sake of really making change or doing good. Drama's not particularly juicy anywhere else, and the state of the world gets more depressing by the day. Starting shit makes sense for restless creators, but I think we all forget that we're people at the end of the day, and so is everyone else. As things stand, I feel like this is some very justified anger from dankyjabo Also to the people I've seen in these comments minimizing Katiclyzm's abuse or doubting it, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Deeply. It doesn't matter if you don't trust her as a creator, you blasting your doubts in the comments section harms everyone. Doubt all you want, but unless you have actual valid evidence beyond your feelings, it is disgusting and dangerous to dismiss someone's claim of abuse because they've lied or are lying about other things.
louis's video especially made me so entirely angry like if you truly believed jesse was supporting alex why would you make a video formatted like poor slam poetry to call him out for it
katiclyzm is a bully end of story its possible to work for a guy you don't like It's a job and allegations like that can ruin somebodys life especially with no proof
If she had a vast array of knowledge regarding the topic of @bu$e, this is the last thing she would do. She didn’t just volunteer herself for this, she manufactured it.
did u guys see their apologies tho 😭😭 a one hour response just for those two to release a 3 minute and 8 minute video lol. another thing, in the comment section of louis’s “apology” he was only hearting the comments that were criticizing him and ignoring the comments that were positive which seemed very performative to me, and he even replied to one and he was very self deprecating saying that “hes the one that needs to be worthy of being in this space not danky” and in katies video she was like “im sorry BUT he never said..” which invalidates her apology in my opinion because an apology should never include but, this whole thing should’ve never been made public but the fact that it was shows that the whole “i dont want to cancel anyone” statement they both made in their initial video is complete bullshit
LOUIS IS SUCH A PICK ME ISTG, i can‘t watch his content because i find him genuinely irritating and unfunny but a huge thing i‘ve noticed is that he‘s trying so hard to white knight women that it just comes off as pushy, he‘s like the child of the marsha p johnson guy and the annoying orange
On the whole “phone calls are bad just text” or whatever, isn’t it literally the opposite because with texting a lot of things can be put out of place or doctored in someway. Also as much as I hate phone calls, I’d rather have discussions over the phone than over text bc who wants to be texting all that lol. On another note, when Louis’ video popped up on my feed when it came out, I couldn’t even get through the first 5 minutes bc I could just tell it was gonna be a waste of time and what do you know-
Louis definitely knows he fuck up if I were in his shoes I’d feel so guilty right now, I’d never do this bs but if for some reason I did I’d hate myself for it.
I think he knew he was wrong even before he uploaded his video. He just thought he could build a narrative the public would buy into. All Jessie really said was "thats not true" and louis immediately admits he didn't have the facts etc. It's not like he didn't know he didn't have enough facts before uploading.
Subscribed because you are incredibly emotionally mature and self-aware, plus you have an understanding of media literacy and that every situation requires nuance. Thank you for actually stopping and trying to think before speaking about situations. I appreciate the authenticity. ETA: Kati comes across as a little too excited about the fact Alex was allegedly talking bad about Danky. Like why was that funny to her? Because she thought he was his friend? Thats WILD. Also, the beef curtains comments were high-key racist as fuck from Kati. Like I could not believe she said those things so loudly
I’ve watch Louis for a while now, and he has the fan in like every video, and it cracks me up the amount of times he has to pull hair away from his mouth cause of the fan 😭
honestly at this point I've just unsubbed from all commentary creators I follow, all this shit is too much, and I want to see stuff that actually makes me happy on my recommended not videos that have the same appeal of a bad car crash (its horrible but you can't look away). I gotta like reset* my algorithm or something
I just went to McClung's video to check up on some of the critical comments I made (particularly the one where I compared him, correctly, to a Hollywood Blacklist McCarthyite), and yes, indeed, lil bro tragically removed it. And now its watch has ended. A dark day for the internet- and theater kids everywhere.
The way Louis keeps saying “You’re allowed to say that” is so grating because yeah, he’s allowed to say that. He doesn’t need your approval for it either because he’s defending his name and calling you out. Jesse says something that completely dismantles his claim: “he’s allowed to say that.” It’s so condescending. This whole stream. Pressuring him to contact you for an interview while you’re in the process of making a video against him without even hearing his side is so gross. Jesse doesn’t have to answer every message sent to him, especially people who are coming at him sideways. Olympic level mental gymnastics to draw the conclusion that he could possibly get worse, “it’s only the beginning” and become abusive and connect a saying he used to p3dophilia is disgusting??? How do you not see how damaging that is to claim so flippantly? Then to even bring up this supposed “life ruining” evidence that he’s gotta make sure are true is so wild. “I did research!” “Oh I didn’t watch that video.” Hello???
You are right man those boys are simping hard for Katy it’s cringe to watch how ready they are to throw these accusations at this guy who it seems to have sed a few jokes a over sensitive chick didn’t like
I remember back when he posted a video with a scammy sponsor. People called it out and he pinned a comment apologizing for the mistake: He accidently called a celebrity heterosexual instead of bisexual. the real issue of the video.
Stop because I remember that. He was saying like “Billie Joe Armstrong is the only straight person who can say the f slur” and the pinned comment was like “sry guys i didn’t know he was bi” even tho there was an entire album about it??? And all of the comments were like “Louis, this sponsor is a known scam” and I remember he replied to one of them like “is it still in the video?” After he took the sponsored section out and that came off as kinda condescending
1:55:32 no but genuinely, therapists do this to get more insight on their patient because if someone is explaining themselves and you don’t really respond or affirm what they’re saying, they will typically over explain themselves and out themselves, when there is something to out.
Never actually watched a papagut vid/stream, but the first 5 seconds and the excited 'I'M THE PAPAGUT STREAM' had me crack up and subscribe Also, as an aussie in a typically 'blokey' job, beef curtain is a phrase i hear weekly, and I have never heard it used in a racial context wtf haha
Imo i dont think danky or louis cant get by any of this (both previous and current stuff) But it really seems like katy was the main root of this and louis is so naive and quick to hop on the scene he took it up Hes a performative person and generally needs to turn himself towards other commentary, especially during serious subjects Idk people seem to think all of this is never come back worthy Its not thay deep, it never was that deep. The audience will never be satisfied, theyre just as desperate for drama as louis lol Ironic in the end
I'd watched a few youtube-videos by DankyJabo before the absolute dogshit allegations came out. Then he made his response. He really came out on top and big props to him. And what McClunge says about calling and that being weird? Guy doesn't have a proper friend he could just talk shit with over the phone with.
I don’t think they’re ages are that important and the gay comment Gut made on 4:15 was weird but I still enjoyed the video and I’m glad someone addressed this drama and understood that Kati and Louis were wrong.
There are too many things cherry picked and misrepresented by Louis and Kat for me to believe this wasn’t malicious and intentional. I can easily believe that In Praise of Shadows video was made from delusion, because I can understand how someone with his extreme levels of bias would go and do a cursory glance at Wendigoon and his friends and their content and make the conclusions he did. Louis and Kat’s takes, however, would require actually digging into all of Jabo’s videos to find things they can specifically use, meaning they’d by then have enough context on the guy to realize he’s fine. The inferences and insinuations they made do not pass muster and the fact they cling to them despite the amount of research they’d have had to do to get the clips they did makes me think they wanted to ruin this guy by any means necessary, regardless of the truth
I've never had any specific issues with Danky, and I've also been watching Katiclyzm for a while now. I watched both of them, and when I saw Kati's video, I was genuinely shocked because I've legit never seen any sort of misogyny from him. I watched both Louis and Kati's videos and I felt like they were just pushing their own narrative to get him "cancelled". This behavior is gross, and it happens all too often. Also making him come out of the closet is pathetic and lame on both of their parts.
Dankyjabo started his 2025 by earning a W.
Fr
ONG BRO
He ain’t take a single L for all of 2024 either 😮💨
Omg i didn't realize the person sending the messages was a total stranger to him. Of course he responded dismissively omg i would too if a stranger came at me that aggressively out of nowhere
Right. I originally assumed the dumb joke was because he didn't know who she was and she didn't really name any names so how would he know who the hell she's talking about anyway? I thought it was a smartass response like "ok. Unfollowing SpongeBob SquarePants". Lol. I do stuff like that to people who message and talk to me like I'm supposed to know who they are.
this was an interesting point to me to, because louis framed it as "alice's friend" in his hit piece, when that clearly was a stretch of the truth at best. it wouldnt even surprise me if papa gut theory of it being either louis or kati on an alt account trying to entrap him was true lol, that would explain why they were so offended by getting that message compared to some random fan passing the screenshots along. its very pearl clutchy either way
@@er_cl Even if it was Alice's friend, that's still a stranger to danky
The whole beef curtains thing is driving me crazy. It is considered quite vulgar in England. In Scotland (where Dankyjabo) lives it’s much less vulgar but I have never in my 38 years heard it be described as racist.
As a woc, it is a very vulgar term but when I hear people use it the intentions are never racist. And that’s ok because words are all about context and it was a joke either way. It’s giving neither of these white people have ever heard that term in real life so they had to look it up and went with the textbook definition..
Exactly it’s very vulgar but it is meant to dehumanize a woman regardless of color. If you’re a woman deficient in melanin, the “roast beef” is rare/medium rare.
The joke has to do with the texture.
@@kamelamcgill11most of the time people don’t even mean it as a bad thing. Literally just 🐱 👄. It’s not that big of a deal what do ever…
Im a WOC & Idk how they think it’s racist when beef curtains can be said about any person with a vag?
I mean if someone tells me not to say it sure I won't but the amount of words to describe both genitals is insane never really understood why people care.
Kati harping that white women are the only ones who have “no pigment down there” and reading a comment out loud on live that prepubescent girls have no pigment until they hit puberty was so incredibly insane to me. I have never in my life seen a person so loud and so wrong. Thank you for the reupload of this, I was partway through when it went to members only so I’m grateful I can finish it now!
She's projecting her own racist beliefs. Has she ever seen raw beef?
It was giving "my perspective is the only perspective"....which is why she made so many assumptions about dankyjabo instead of understanding him
I started getting recommend her videos out of nowhere but I never vibed with her takes. I really dislike her opinions about sex work and porn. She's very vocal about women in SW not being feminist and that it reenforces misogyny. I don't entirely disagree with that, but SW isn't some sort of feminist protest. I know so many women who do SW to survive. Theyre not trying to dismantle or politicize anything, it's literally their job. It gives me chronically online vibes the way she doesn't humanise other women enough to allow them to choose what to do with their bodies. Freedom of choice and bodily autonomy is what matters to me the most as a feminist woman, not centering our existence and experiences only in comparison to men.
@@oidointoi I went deeper into her videos and its bad, how she speaks about a lot of women online is weird and very anti-feminist, I also had her videos just appear in my algorithm , honestly I wish I never heard of her its just bad takes after bad takes
@@prxncess_stxph I was so disgusted when she read that out loud and then agreed with it. Her ‘apology’ keeps getting recommend to me. Yuck.
This is like high school bullies and their victim talking to the counselor 😭
Its so hilarious that in the original video louis made tthe bold statement that he was "the perfect youtuber"
It's so hard to watch... With all the lack of awareness... Lol
@@carwashgirl3541 They both said they were the perfect youtuber for basically the same reason. Even when I was a little more partial to their side of things, it struck me as really icky.
yeah very cringey
"im perfect because i've been a shut in all my life"
tries to destory dankyjabo for his socially inept messages*
13:34 I believe him when he says he wasn't friends with Allexx. It was just a business relationship. Katie and Louis are nothing but hypocrites. Louis was delighted to be mocking Jesse's accent. He was way too happy to put baseless accusations out there. It's hilarious how they say Jesse doesn't deserve his channel. He's not the one accusing people with no proof. I can't stand people like Louis. He sure didn't learn his lesson from messing up another situation right before this. I'm sick of these RUclipsrs like him who just sling shit and think an apology video is enough.
What was the situation that louis was involved in before? Curious to know! (Also totally agree!)
@@tetes1192 I am unsure of most of the details, but it seems like Louis McClung has a reputation for running with misinformation like it’s the gospel truth and then when he’s (rightfully) called out he gives a quick “I’m sorry” video and goes back to business as usual. He’s not a reliable source of information and apparently there have been other incidents like the current one with Jesse.
All ive been able to see was the blake lively situation, which tbf seemed more like a bandwagon than anything. He still needs to work on actul research and not what hes heard from other ytbers@endergamer7483
@@endergamer7483 and he justifies the perpetual behavior because he "takes accountability every time" because he's such a good person. In fact, he's better than aaaalll the other commentary RUclipsrs.
I got eaten alive for calling him out on mocking accents on his first video.
They both seem to weaponize their fanbase; not once have either of them told their fans to back off and stop harassing Jessie’s fans.
Idk who the other guy is so can’t speak on that
46:53 He admitted that he has no life experience. He spent his whole life alone in his bedroom. I don't think he knows what nuance means. Sorry I'm commenting so much. This Louis guy pisses me off.
Nah, go off. I was literally the exact same for Arch and the Nick eh 30 drama.
Go off on him
Yeah, he’s super self-righteous too. Joyously looking to cancel someone
That goddam word. That's one thing I hate about the internet. One person says a random bougie-ass word and everybody runs with that crap for months on end until I can't stand language itself anymore. Lol
@@KissyAdair it's young people's favorite word
am i stupid or does anyone else fail to understand how any of this even started? how do we go from “this guy edited videos for im alex” to “this guy is defending im alex”??
Okay, bear with me because I think I've got it. Kati is friends with Alice, Alice is ImAlex's ex. Jesse talked to Kati in which he said he's glad ImAlex gave him a chance in the industry. Kati interpreted that to mean Jesse is friends with him. A friend of Kati then messaged Jesse (fishing) and he answered with the annoying orange joke. This friend screenshoted it and sent it to Kati who then took that to mean Jesse was still friends with ImAlex. Then something something I don't actually understand, but it ends with Kati wanting to expose Jesse as an abuse apologist. Louis threw himself on this hoping for his next big scoop. There, the whole beautiful high school teen drama in all it's glory and it is time for me to log off the internet.
@@diamondsofsix that was actually very helpful, thank you. and reading it made me feel like i was back in high school smoking a cigarette in the girls bathroom lmao
dumb woke-scold terminally online influencers is how.
the annoying orange continues to be annoying and life ruining even decades later
@@diamondsofsix I think louis decided to include himself after seeing dangelo wallace call out cody ko. he thought he could replicate this and be a white knight to katie.
I can't blame jabo's response in the DMs. I would have been very annoyed if someone were to come up to me all heated while I have zero clue about the wrongdoing of the other person the other will refer to. That's NOT how you talk to people.
yup the attitude was clearly aggro, they deserved that joke response and less.
fr, i'd be trolling them too because who are you to come into my dms all heated demanding answers.
2:17:10 Here's the way I see it:
Kati took it upon herself to sensationalize her abuse and use it as a weapon against an innocent person, which could have destroyed their career/life. So if people question whether she was abused or make fun of her, thats what she gets. She chose to make Jessie out to be the second coming of Chris Brown for making a joke about Lola Bunny. The only people who are obligated to give her grace or validation is her close friends, her family, her therapist and whatever God she prays to, not random people on the internet. Period.
The abused becomes the abuser
Second coming of Chris brown lmao 💀
Plus with how they say Jesse let Alex willfully manipulate him you could say the same thing about her with this abusive relationship where she “watched him get worse and worse”
@@KaiserShounen I feel like the biggest ahhhole coz it did cross my mind that she faked, or greatly exaggerated, the abuse she went thru.
Like insinuating someone is a pedo for commenting on cartoon rabbit tits is such a wild stretch. What else does she lie about?
I feel like such a pos for having this thought process ☹️
@@acat674 And its fair to feel that way. Abuse is really bad and we don't want anyone to go through it. But fact is, if she was abused, she is needlessly weaponizing her experience to punish someone for a minor slight. Its unhealthy and people have the right to feel cheated.
The meat curtains thing is so aggravating because it's something that CAN be used derogatory, but that doesnt mean it IS being used maliciously. They use this term and RUN with it. He used it to sound funny, because vulgar words make people laugh. Also, the assumption that all black girls have dark vag and all white girls have pink ones and using that as some weird way to say a black person is racist is absolutely wild. She's literally the one asserting that dark vags are bad and adding that to the conversation. They def looked up the history of the word and went from there.
Exactly! She's giving racist white woman.
I was also so confused by that when I first saw it in his live and then Louis’s video. I’ve heard that term, and I’ve used it, even referring to myself. It’s dirty, and can be gross depending on context, but is not inherently misogynistic. Beef curtains, a dumb joke about the annoying orange, and calling a cartoon hippo a whore being some of the main evidence for this controversy just felt like an absolute fever dream.
Normalise the term "ham drapes"
@@nickchivers9029 I gotta use that one now. Just gonna start making all types of meat-related terms. Also adding steak strips to my vocabulary now
But also raw beef is pink? It never even occurred to me that it implied the colour brown
when i first saw the "drama" i was shocked, never had an issue with Dankyjabo and honestly felt that his commentary was a breath of fresh air. As soon as I saw Kati and Louis's videos i thought they were satire until I realized these two genuinely had beef with him. I feel like they're threatened by an up and coming commentary channel and decided to dislike him for cancel culture sake and shock value. They should do more than just apologize, they could have seriously ruined Danky's career or life with this bs accusations. They caused people to form incorrect judgments and form hate for someone based on lies and bias. Now for the entirety of Danky's career moving forward, he will have to reexplain this situation and his innocence, regardless of how many "apologies" there two boneheads make. They realized they couldn't put him in a bad light so easily and are now scrapping for any form of redemption to not be in the hot seat. Kati saying she has a clean internet history and can therefore judge other's is self incriminating itself, as we've seen with past evidence of other videos she has made in poor taste.
This was a really great post, thank you.
Absolute banger of a post.
Dude same, I thought Louis was doing a meme post, then by the end of it I was like bffr bro
I honestly think that katiclyzm probably reacted because she's a victim of abuse and because she's friends with alice. It makes sense for her to have been triggered by this and take it too far - not that it's an excuse, but I can definitely see where she might've been coming from. I feel bad, even, knowing from personal experience how much that kind of thing can warp your perspective on things. The other two however, I definitely agree with papa gut here, they probably have some kind of crush on her. Especially with louis going out of his way to say that dankyjabo "probably has a crush on katiclyzm"... like, the call's coming from inside the house. Feels like obvious projection. Also the fact he seemed to have absolutely no idea what he was actually talking about, making up all sorts of accusations just for the sake of making the argument look better/to impress her. It's ridiculous
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@@Caprisunsz I realize there are two sides to every coin, but this situation makes it hard for me to see that. I too am a victim of abuse, yet I would never use that as an excuse to avoid accountability. She is human, I will give her that, We've all been quick to judge and harsh towards criticisms that relate to past trauma. BUT this is never a good reason to try and ruin someone's reputation, literal defamation of character. I don't even understand what she was offended by, nothing Danky did was directly at her in any way that should have sparked that reaction from her. He follows someone she doesn't like. okay? He responded to your friend's offhand dm with an reply that matched the same energy, okay? He prefers calls over texts, okay? I could get behind your claim if it was simply an overreaction, but this was not. This was an obvious and direct attempt to cancel Dankyjabo, not some spur of the moment trigger that went too far. Kati and Louis had intention and malice in their actions accompanied by a hero complex, it's gross. Also, this is PURELY internet beef, never once have these people met in real life. Meaning it was all just words and opinions... If Kati's trauma causes this kind of reaction, she should consider therapy or something to help her manage these triggers in an appropriate manner. The victim card only goes so far. And as Papa stated, this is only a valid excuse once, now she knows better. As for Louis, he is a nice guy simp, that's it lol. I do appreciate you shedding some light on another side to this coin, but I will also have to apologize for my stubbornness on not agreeing with it. Every victim is triggered differently, but overall we have to hold ourselves accountable just like any other person because at face value no one cares what you're a victim of when you come off as a shitty person.
Im a woman, and I’ve been watching Dankyjabo for a couple of months, and I never got the feeling there was any misogyny in his videos. I might be oblivious, but i usually catch on misogyny pretty easily…
as a woman i feel the same. i only just started watching jesse a few weeks ago, so when i saw kati's livestream and louis's video, i was wrongfully disappointed in jesse. im glad jesse responded, and im glad logical adults with platforms are speaking out on his behalf too :>
Been watching him for a while, no misogyny, respectful of gender identities, no racism or ableism in sight... Will come for pedos and child abusers, but honestly, so would most ppl. He just gets outraged when ppl mistreat others and lie. Them targeting him was so bizarre. Like, were they not getting enough attention? I think Papa Gut is right, the two guys based their opinion off of Kati's videos and are giving the vibe offighting for her attention. She did it cuz she's trying to attack anyone who iamalexx ever knew based on her abuse experience. She needs to get the one up on an abuser so badly that she attacks innocent ppl and we lamders them. I hope dankyjabo sues, he'd have an easy win against all three of them.
He is so loving towards all kind of followers, this shit just hurts me. He has done nothing wrong here. These people are crazy.
it’s so refreshing hearing a logical adult speak about this. luis and kat are very young and dumb and aren’t aware of that. it’s one thing to be naive and aware of it but they think they know everything and miss the mark so much
Honestly, that's a typical early 20 something, right? They've finally begun to clear the teen haze and are able to put two and two together, so now they think they're math geniuses. We've all been young and dumb, the difference is that these people are blasting that on the internet to hundreds of thousands of people. Ouch.
This! This right here! Could they be terrible people? Yes, could they have been young and dumb? Also yes, was what they did ok? Heck no but people who are jumping to conclusions (on both sides) are also no better and I got called biased for that.
"Come on my show!" Translation: "Come and help continue to make money off of your downfall!" So. Gross. His whole attitude and tone is so wholly egotistical and "holier than thou".
I tried watching his vid bc I was curious but his voice is SO grating I just couldn’t and he’s just annoying af
@@roetcI've clicked on one of his regular vids before and had the same reaction and asked RUclips to stop recommending me his channel 🤣 the voice and energy alone was toooo much
@@stuffroom979 i'm glad i'm not the only one who got the ick from him, there was just always something off in his energy. maybe it's the fan continuously blowing at his hair tho
I laughed when he said that and in the same breath said "and I will interview you, UNBIASED". Like .......WHAT?! HOW? Did he, during his video that was titled "Dankyjaboo SUCKS!!" And the whole time he slanders, ridicules and picked apart the poor kid, he really thought he was being unbiased?
"calls are weird btw"
this whole situation is so strange. in louis’ deleted video he shows some of the messages exchanged between kat and jesse that kat provided-for some reason, she lied about details of the call between them, and then went on to say that jesse abruptly hung up the call to dodge questions?? like, why? how could this possibly not be out of malicious intent???
Brother was rolling crits the whole video, Danky Ws
It’s kinda wild that in a delusional effort to defend black women, they’re stereotyping him as an ignorant black man.
And I hate doing this, but as a black woman, beef curtains isn’t an offensive term. I and many other women i know have used the term at some point without it being derogatory. Beef can range from pink to brown, so it’s really weird that these white creators immediately thought of black women specifically. I’ve never heard the term used to refer to just black women.
Huge nothing burger.
Exactly. Have Louis and Katiclyzm never seen rare/medium rare roast beef? That’s half the joke, that roast beef and women’s g*nitalia come in the same range of colors. The other half is the texture.
It’s not a corn thing. In fact, people that watch a lot of that expect women to /NOT/ look wrinkled/“beef like.”
She's projecting her own racist beliefs
And it wasn't even directed towards anybody specifically in any way.
LITERALLY!! It threw me off that they heard “beef curtains” and immediately thought “wow this is racist towards black women”. Why on earth is that your automatic association? Says more about Katie than it does Jessie.
I'm a white woman and I use the term and laughed at the joke he made. They are reaching SO HARD and I'm glad Jesse made that response
His whole video was a mic drop! I'm proud of him! Jack Swallow and his friend should just go ahead and hang it up. Louis had just admitted to messing up another story. 1:32 Well, I can't appreciate it, not after the way Louis tried to put down Jesse and say he was the one trying to flirt with Katie.
6:31 Assuming creators are friends because they have similar thumbnails is like assuming authors are friends because they have similar book covers. It's just a way to distinguish the genre of content they create. Look at how similar movie review channels, makeup channels, and booktuber channels are to each other.
Thats true. They also say that alex and Jesse have similar editing styles so it's proof they still have a friendship. Not taking into account that Jesse was Alex's editor😂😂 of course they have similar styles when Jesse edited videos for both channels
Louis was so sassily gleeful about providing a "moral" high ground argument about Danky that it immediately made me not trust what he has to say.... even though he was proven to be wrong and malicious. Serious "allegations" presented in such a tone immediately give me red flags.
Louis seems to emulate miniminuteman. He even looks the same😂 copied his style but it just comes off very forced. He definitely has potential to be entertaining but he seems way to happy trying to ruin someone's career. Doubling down, deleting videos. He doesn't really care what the truth is. He cares about the public perception.
As someone who used to watch him, he's always had that type of attitude when discussing the ppl and information in his videos. Louis loves to fling insults abt the ppl he talks about in his videos, but when he talked all that about Danky with zero substantial information, he got hit with karma.
@@lukejax1407 hahaahaaaa I didn't realize but yeah
i remember trying to watch katiclyzm and finding her kinda weird abt women 💀, like the type of feminist that views porn/sex industry as the root of all evil and acting like women in the industry have no agency and could never enjoy their job (yea there’s exploitation and lots of terrible shit but acting like since it involves women and sex its uniquely evil, and could never be not that, is weird)
She’s been giving me terf vibes for a while and demonizing sex work is one of the tell tale signs of that ilk. She was also extremely transphobic in a video about Lily Tino (which I don’t like Lily Tino at all but as grown adults we can dislike someone AND not be transphobic)
i also hate the anti-sex work stance of some feminists; in addition to the assumption participants lack agency, it also continues to perpetuate othering and oppression for the people in those jobs. if you support women, you also support the ones who make money for sex work. it’s that simple
This is the first time I’ve ever watched RUclips drama go down live. I’m sat
Bro the point about phone calls drives me up a wall. I’m in my early 20s and it’s clear these people have never had to function in a standard business environment 😂 literal 15 yr old behavior from actual adults. My boss and I always joke about people thinking phone calls are equivalent to world war three 😂
My thoughts exactly! I instantly thought, “this guy is chronically online and would never make it in the corporate world.”
I mean, does that kind of take really seem outlandish from someone who sensationalised an "@bus3 apologist" with silly cosplay and needless accents?
@@ItsVictoriaGyup, a little self awareness would go a long way for him 😂
Papa Gut moving up in the slop world
The jojo jokes he makes are so funny to me. If Louis hates “sexist” jokes so much why is he supporting a show that made a joke about an orangutan sexually assaulting a 12 year old girl?
Good point. If he thinks that making or consuming sexist jokes makes you a misogynist then he needs to stay clear of the majority of anime and manga :')
I have never seen jjba and don‘t know anything about the storyline i am so confused what 😭
thank you, I thought I was the only one who thought they were just simps for katy 😭
You're right about these ppl changing their minds with every response lol I've seen it in their comments, it's so interesting, like little babies fresh to the world
Not to mention it wouldn't matter what kind of apology Louis makes, his fans will still tell him he made the best and most level-headed apology in the history of youtube
@@piagebot2943the real question is, what is even a good apology? It seems like no matter what is made people seem to be hardcore stuck to the "once you mess up its immediately horrible irreversible and you can never grow ever again" mindset
At some poiny yhe audience needs to stop being more upset than the actual people involved, creates more stress for the people who are tryna move on
@@sleepiimilkii7365 honestly I don't know nor do I care, but I'm just saying it doesn't matter what Louis says, his audience is going to agree with him. The chat in the livestream reaction that he did also agreed with him. The real thing is it's not their apology to accept, so how do they know if it's level headed when they were supporting louis' claims before
@@sleepiimilkii7365 @piagebot2943 I agree with both your points tbh, it's scary that most his fans are immediately forgiving him but also we shouldn't jump to conclusions and assume that people are never able to grow and learn from what they did.
Ppl are still calling jabo a mysogonist in kats "apology" lmao
i feel like ‘being poor’ and being young and new to the specific industry, change the context massively. poor kind of goes hand in hand with young and new to the work force, but i think that framing in and if itself gives a bad faith perspective on their relationship and his gratitude to alex for the opportunity. by making out that he owes his life and wealth to alex, when the reality is they had a purely business relationship that concluded over 6 months ago. i don’t even really get what any of this had to do with the 2 of them anyway 💀
One thing those ppl ignored is that dude was working for him not even a year ago and might have an NDA or something else so he cant involve himself publicly. Forcing his hand to make him speak publicly is weird
I didn't even think about this. Good theory.
Louis' production quality is usually better in his videos. The "apology" video he did seemed so low effort. It is almost like it was more important for Louis to cover his ass than for the apology to actually mean anything. Same with Katiclyzm. I unsubscribed from both of them because of this. I had had disagreements with their takes in the past and was really noticing their need to sensationalise everything anyway so this was just the straw that broke the camels back. Forcing someone to out themselves is beyond the pale and in my opinion, unforgivable.
Plus the fact that in Louis’ (now deleted) live, (I watched a reupload) when he saw that dankyjabo was forced to come out he just said “hell yeah, represent”
I have only ever heard the term beef curtains from women this entire situation was absolutely insane and a big nothing burger
Papa G getting some jabo subscribers rollin in after all this
Katiclyzm is one of the worst content creators to begin with. I wasn't even aware of this drama but I am totally not surprised. This seems exactly like the thing she would do/say.
Why? Sorry if it’s a dumb question
@@KvngLeroy1 She is self absorbed and self important. She believes whatever she thinks is right. This situation proves it. Even her new apology video is all about her.
@@KvngLeroy1both of them just mainly care about themselves… to the point where, you’re making anime edits of yourself “versus” people, watching a small bit of Luis you can tell he’s full of himself… he glazes himself throughout his video edits and words… cat kinda does the same but not to the same extent, she’s mainly misandrist, and luring.. she goes out of the way to have such a common opinion in hopes of gathering a basic general following.. not the worst thing but just, “abuse bad” and then holding herself up on a higher pedestal is just silly.
@@Furthericitysadly agreed
I wouldn’t say she’s one of the worst, but man I struggle to watch her videos. She just has this energy that I can’t help being bothered by. Mcclung on the other hand? He’s
unwatchable. His voice grates my ears like crazy.
Roast beef is pink…
Has she never seen raw beef before 😂 she's projecting her own racism
also if i am not mistaken, he lives in scotland , and beef curtains is literally a slang term 💀 it's not that deep
After all of this stuff, you're like an actual breath of fresh air with how to the point you are.
im confused why they make the thumbnails a huge deal when Katiclyzm also does the same thumbnail style too...?
Because they're hypocrites. That's it. That's the whoooooole thing... they're simply hypocrites, grasping at straws to get rid of a man they know nothing about, for no valid reason.
“Yeah, but they’re pink”😂
These people know nothing about cooking
Lmao I knew that Katelyn chick was a fraud 💀😂
Can someone ask how Alice feels about this, having her business tossed around in this mess.
The Disney trip funding itself nicely this month
"It's like a turtle." Lmao. Thank you, Mr. Gut, I needed that.
I can’t believe no one has brought up how Louis mock police brutality. Talk about lack of nuance. A poc is saying he’s being policed and the white man jokes about how proper policing is police shooting suspects, which has notoriously affected male poc more than white men like Louis.
I thought the same thing papa gut, theyre white knighting for Katy's beef curtains
Yeah in from the UK in the north and beef curtains is gross but it's never a racist term and it is used as a vulger joke
These shameful creators are just upset that Alex went dark so they can’t continue to make videos on his drama, so they found the closest person to him that would respond. His former editor
Louis and Kat made Apology vids and they feel very much like a Minecraft speed run, The vids are so short to the point where it feels like they are doing to not ruin their careers, Louis vid is 3 minutes and Kats is 8 and it so sad.
Who could have guessed those two were frauds 🤪?
Thank you! I have the same take on the whole thing. I'm quickly reminded that I'm so much older than these people. It's the same type of drama that my kids have. It's making my hair gray and my back hurt.
When Louis said he didn't have friends before youtube. he should know that there's a chance that he is mean and that people dont like that. Him and kati can make a fly into a elephant.
Louis and Kait have 2 braincells combined. The amount of lies and baseless accusations in their videos are insane it's actually unwatchable.
That’s being generous. I think they both share just 1 brain cell
I think she should go to a therapist instead of making videos online and talking to strangers about her experiences being abused because it’s clear from watching her that she still has some unresolved trauma from it and the fact she keeps talking about her ex even after two years after the breakup shows she still can’t get over the relationship and what happened and that she hasn’t healed from it. It’s best she gets help and therapy instead of projecting what happened to her on anything and others plus she shouldn’t be giving advice about how to deal with abuse when she clearly still hasn’t healed from it fully.
whats weird is louis mcclung said something a long the lines of I dont believe hes asexual as someone whos asexual it was so weird to read
“You can’t suppress your hatred for women for one fucking second” about a cartoon hippo has had me, a woman, cracking up for about a week now
honestly, imo dankyjabo's biggest crime was saying "meat flaps". idk if its sexist or racist or anything, but it is a really gross sounding phrase LMAO
It's crass body humor, similar to a fart joke. Some people laugh it off, some people are put off by it.
Mostly, I've heard women say it about themselves, like "My roast beef/meat flaps would escape to freedom from that pair of Skims underwear. Can't wear that!" I don't think I've ever actually heard men saying it about women, let alone WOC.
I remember seeing Louis's video and just being excited to see Jesse's response cuz I just knew he was going to drop a banger
Something I've noticed about these younger commentary youtubers is that they don't tend to do well with original stories. They thrive when they're covering trending topics that other people have already formulated the popular opinion on. But when they try to 'break' original stories it falls flat. I think it's because they're so young and get overtaken by the excitement of exposing someone, and they don't necessarily have the tools or maturity to think over the ethics and long-term repercussions.
Why is she so awkward to talk about the beef curtains thing if she talks about porn on her platform alot?
Calling someone a "nuance lacking goblin" and immediately following it up with "I'll give you an unbiased interview :)" was INSANE.
I think everyone in this situation falls into the same pitfalls and mistakes from time to time. Poorly researched topics, distasteful remarks, all that. At least with how things stand right now, it feels like dog piling on someone for any reason they can and not for the sake of really making change or doing good.
Drama's not particularly juicy anywhere else, and the state of the world gets more depressing by the day. Starting shit makes sense for restless creators, but I think we all forget that we're people at the end of the day, and so is everyone else. As things stand, I feel like this is some very justified anger from dankyjabo
Also to the people I've seen in these comments minimizing Katiclyzm's abuse or doubting it, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Deeply. It doesn't matter if you don't trust her as a creator, you blasting your doubts in the comments section harms everyone. Doubt all you want, but unless you have actual valid evidence beyond your feelings, it is disgusting and dangerous to dismiss someone's claim of abuse because they've lied or are lying about other things.
10:25 this generation really hates predators but at the same time is very desperate for predators to exist in their communities. now THATS weird.
louis's video especially made me so entirely angry like if you truly believed jesse was supporting alex why would you make a video formatted like poor slam poetry to call him out for it
katiclyzm is a bully end of story its possible to work for a guy you don't like It's a job and allegations like that can ruin somebodys life especially with no proof
Dankyjabo was trying to ignore them, but they just got worse.
Just discovered you because of this whole controversy and wanted to say, you have such a soothing voice and vibe. Like the dad of RUclips vibes lol.
If she had a vast array of knowledge regarding the topic of @bu$e, this is the last thing she would do. She didn’t just volunteer herself for this, she manufactured it.
did u guys see their apologies tho 😭😭 a one hour response just for those two to release a 3 minute and 8 minute video lol.
another thing, in the comment section of louis’s “apology” he was only hearting the comments that were criticizing him and ignoring the comments that were positive which seemed very performative to me, and he even replied to one and he was very self deprecating saying that “hes the one that needs to be worthy of being in this space not danky”
and in katies video she was like “im sorry BUT he never said..” which invalidates her apology in my opinion because an apology should never include but, this whole thing should’ve never been made public but the fact that it was shows that the whole “i dont want to cancel anyone” statement they both made in their initial video is complete bullshit
LOUIS IS SUCH A PICK ME ISTG, i can‘t watch his content because i find him genuinely irritating and unfunny but a huge thing i‘ve noticed is that he‘s trying so hard to white knight women that it just comes off as pushy, he‘s like the child of the marsha p johnson guy and the annoying orange
I was so excited when I saw papa in this response video. Can’t wait to watch your reaction!
I wish I had this much free time to dedicate to nothing
On the whole “phone calls are bad just text” or whatever, isn’t it literally the opposite because with texting a lot of things can be put out of place or doctored in someway. Also as much as I hate phone calls, I’d rather have discussions over the phone than over text bc who wants to be texting all that lol.
On another note, when Louis’ video popped up on my feed when it came out, I couldn’t even get through the first 5 minutes bc I could just tell it was gonna be a waste of time and what do you know-
Louis definitely knows he fuck up if I were in his shoes I’d feel so guilty right now, I’d never do this bs but if for some reason I did I’d hate myself for it.
I think he knew he was wrong even before he uploaded his video. He just thought he could build a narrative the public would buy into. All Jessie really said was "thats not true" and louis immediately admits he didn't have the facts etc. It's not like he didn't know he didn't have enough facts before uploading.
2025 is the year of the bad expose videos
Subscribed because you are incredibly emotionally mature and self-aware, plus you have an understanding of media literacy and that every situation requires nuance. Thank you for actually stopping and trying to think before speaking about situations. I appreciate the authenticity.
ETA: Kati comes across as a little too excited about the fact Alex was allegedly talking bad about Danky. Like why was that funny to her? Because she thought he was his friend? Thats WILD. Also, the beef curtains comments were high-key racist as fuck from Kati. Like I could not believe she said those things so loudly
1:23 Oh, he was 100% simpin. Like, I could feel the simp energy in the video and in the convo.
January must be the month that everyone is releasing shit tier hit pieces. Lol
And they all seem to have a British person involved. I'm smelling shenanigans.
the 3 hour stream was funny watching him realized he messed up live he even goes "ooh" when he realized , it was worth the cringe
I wouldnt of found you if it wasn't for this whole bizarre fiasco... So I'm very thankful of that.
I knew papa gut for awhile he's been my fav this drama reminded me of his channel
Bro literally put them in their places LMFAO 😭
I’ve watch Louis for a while now, and he has the fan in like every video, and it cracks me up the amount of times he has to pull hair away from his mouth cause of the fan 😭
the fan plus the vest really sent me 💀
The two people going after Danky 110% represent the commentary community.
honestly at this point I've just unsubbed from all commentary creators I follow, all this shit is too much, and I want to see stuff that actually makes me happy on my recommended not videos that have the same appeal of a bad car crash (its horrible but you can't look away). I gotta like reset* my algorithm or something
I just went to McClung's video to check up on some of the critical comments I made (particularly the one where I compared him, correctly, to a Hollywood Blacklist McCarthyite), and yes, indeed, lil bro tragically removed it.
And now its watch has ended. A dark day for the internet- and theater kids everywhere.
The way Louis keeps saying “You’re allowed to say that” is so grating because yeah, he’s allowed to say that. He doesn’t need your approval for it either because he’s defending his name and calling you out. Jesse says something that completely dismantles his claim: “he’s allowed to say that.” It’s so condescending. This whole stream.
Pressuring him to contact you for an interview while you’re in the process of making a video against him without even hearing his side is so gross. Jesse doesn’t have to answer every message sent to him, especially people who are coming at him sideways.
Olympic level mental gymnastics to draw the conclusion that he could possibly get worse, “it’s only the beginning” and become abusive and connect a saying he used to p3dophilia is disgusting???
How do you not see how damaging that is to claim so flippantly? Then to even bring up this supposed “life ruining” evidence that he’s gotta make sure are true is so wild.
“I did research!”
“Oh I didn’t watch that video.” Hello???
You are right man those boys are simping hard for Katy it’s cringe to watch how ready they are to throw these accusations at this guy who it seems to have sed a few jokes a over sensitive chick didn’t like
Not "those boys" but "that boy" lol. Jessie literally doesnt care about Kate
@emanx222 They were referring to Louis and the guy with the glasses, I'm pretty sure.
I remember back when he posted a video with a scammy sponsor. People called it out and he pinned a comment apologizing for the mistake: He accidently called a celebrity heterosexual instead of bisexual. the real issue of the video.
Stop because I remember that. He was saying like “Billie Joe Armstrong is the only straight person who can say the f slur” and the pinned comment was like “sry guys i didn’t know he was bi” even tho there was an entire album about it??? And all of the comments were like “Louis, this sponsor is a known scam” and I remember he replied to one of them like “is it still in the video?” After he took the sponsored section out and that came off as kinda condescending
1:55:32 no but genuinely, therapists do this to get more insight on their patient because if someone is explaining themselves and you don’t really respond or affirm what they’re saying, they will typically over explain themselves and out themselves, when there is something to out.
Kat did this whole charade just to tell everyone she has a pink 🐱.
Never actually watched a papagut vid/stream, but the first 5 seconds and the excited 'I'M THE PAPAGUT STREAM' had me crack up and subscribe
Also, as an aussie in a typically 'blokey' job, beef curtain is a phrase i hear weekly, and I have never heard it used in a racial context wtf haha
Imo i dont think danky or louis cant get by any of this (both previous and current stuff)
But it really seems like katy was the main root of this and louis is so naive and quick to hop on the scene he took it up
Hes a performative person and generally needs to turn himself towards other commentary, especially during serious subjects
Idk people seem to think all of this is never come back worthy
Its not thay deep, it never was that deep. The audience will never be satisfied, theyre just as desperate for drama as louis lol
Ironic in the end
I'd watched a few youtube-videos by DankyJabo before the absolute dogshit allegations came out. Then he made his response. He really came out on top and big props to him.
And what McClunge says about calling and that being weird? Guy doesn't have a proper friend he could just talk shit with over the phone with.
I don’t think they’re ages are that important and the gay comment Gut made on 4:15 was weird but I still enjoyed the video and I’m glad someone addressed this drama and understood that Kati and Louis were wrong.
Very impressed with the way Dankyjabo destroyed their spurious accusations.
2025 is the year of Gut 👍‼️
There are too many things cherry picked and misrepresented by Louis and Kat for me to believe this wasn’t malicious and intentional. I can easily believe that In Praise of Shadows video was made from delusion, because I can understand how someone with his extreme levels of bias would go and do a cursory glance at Wendigoon and his friends and their content and make the conclusions he did. Louis and Kat’s takes, however, would require actually digging into all of Jabo’s videos to find things they can specifically use, meaning they’d by then have enough context on the guy to realize he’s fine. The inferences and insinuations they made do not pass muster and the fact they cling to them despite the amount of research they’d have had to do to get the clips they did makes me think they wanted to ruin this guy by any means necessary, regardless of the truth
I've never had any specific issues with Danky, and I've also been watching Katiclyzm for a while now. I watched both of them, and when I saw Kati's video, I was genuinely shocked because I've legit never seen any sort of misogyny from him. I watched both Louis and Kati's videos and I felt like they were just pushing their own narrative to get him "cancelled". This behavior is gross, and it happens all too often. Also making him come out of the closet is pathetic and lame on both of their parts.
Louis gives me "I Believe In A Thing Called Love" vibes.
With the amount of things this girl lied about. I’m starting to think she was never abused and that was also a lie or severely over exaggerated
44:54 I think “nuance” is the new “literally” in terms of how loosely people use it lmao