Because he's not a spooky reactive horse, many people may think he's "quiet", but actually these type of overly-desensitized horses can be the most dangerous. It's the same reason that hand-raised foals become dangerous, they have no fear and therefore no respect, of humans. Horses are naturally wary of humans, you need to maintain some of that for training to work (moving away from your pressure). So horses with no wariness towards humans are more prone to ignore your pressure or even fight back against it.
Absolutely agree I find this type of horse terrifying and I have had them before. What's the right training they turn out okay but it's pretty darn scary.
I agree, he acts like he was hand-raised or weaned and kept in a stall by himself. A mare won’t put up with bratty behavior like this. If he wasn’t herd-raised, that would explain a lot.
I have to admit, my heart was racing thru most of this one. You sure do keep your cool! This guy has a shot at a good future with your training, otherwise I'm not so hopeful for his future.
Listening to your commentary I can see how someone could get into trouble on this horse. It's interesting to see how you make it a bit uncomfortable for him to do the wrong thing, without a battle, and with patience .Thankyou for posting this, and look forward to more
I consider myself a rather patient person, but my patience would have been wearing thin on the several attempts at biting. His mental capacity seems to be very limited considering his age. Will be looking forward to see a video on his progress. Thank you for sharing ❤️
I don't see that his mental capacity is lacking for his age. I see a very strong willed horse that is intelligent as he waited until he was in the saddle to really start being incredibly willful. I believe the horse knows the right answer but chooses not to "take the easier path" and cooperate. I can easily see how people would have given up with him before and these "active no's" would have had people putting him away or not getting him from pasture so they didn't deal with being bitten or barely moving feet for a while as most people want to go out and ride. It's probably worked for him before. His facial expressions and body language are very clear when he doesn't want to do something. He will actively "no" to get you to not ask him to do anything. His body tenses and his face/ears change the closer he believes you are getting to making him actually work. He has no problem giving anyone the finger in horse behavior for asking him to do anything he doesn't want to.
Oh here we go. God forbid anyone says any animal isn't intelligent. Someone will always Say there very smart. Nope the horse seems plain stupid. Doesn't know what's best for him. It's not intelligent to not want to take the path of least resistance.
@@jayvermute5173 I can very much assure you I have made statements about a horses intelligence level being lower before, but it's because of the hundreds and hundreds of horses I have been on and the many different behaviors I have witnessed. Heaven forbid someone have a different opinion for a reason other than "all horses are smart". I also worry about human intelligence when a person makes large assumptions stating that they can predict other people's behavior as I would hope they use this power for some other reason than posting on the internet after someone has already commented and somehow proven their assumption. I also worry when they use double negatives in a sentence because public schools teach this basic grammar rule in elementary school. Just like humans each horse has its own personality, intelligence level, ability to retain information, stubbornness, drive, etc.
He developed this attitude while in the owners care. What are the odds he'll revert when he leaves your care? The owner may need as much education as the horse! 16:45
That is a consistent problem in the industry as a whole is that the owners need to have ongoing lessons from a trainer to educate the owner/rider in how to apply gentle and consistent pressure and just wait . . .good behavior, release. If the owners specifically caused a problem and do not work on themselves at all and their behavior and feelings around the horse do not change then the problems are very likely to reoccur. When I have trained I always attempt to get clients to continue working with a respected professional and this is good for both the owner and horse. Sadly, I will say that some "trainers" (I use the word very loosely) are more than happy to have repeat customers where the horse needs a "tune-up" every year as the owners continue their behaviors having no idea they are the ones causing the issues. The horse comes back from the trainers with a soft mouth and so gentle and in 10 to 11 mo is right back at the trainers pretending a bit doesn't exist and walking right through it.
This is what took us so long finding a local trainer. Well aware issue is with us. Trainer can help soften the horse, but it’s the owners who need most lessons.
It would be so wonderful to have trainers like him be able to store everything he knows about horses on a flash drive and then download it to the rest of us!
You could see how tense he was when you first mounted. I was afraid he would come unglued but thankfully he didn't. Nice to see how much more relaxed he was in both his body and facial expression at the end.
I absolutely love how you are telling him that he is going to be a productive member of society so everybody will like him. I believe the same is true of kiddos and dogs.
I watch a lot of horse/training videos. Yours are easily some of the best. It is clear that you have been on LOTS of horses and your experience has helped me. THANK YOU!!
Not as rare as you may think. I've seen and had horse who would turn their heads around to bite and when you are in the saddle your boot is there. When you leave your horse tied with a saddle, even to use a restroom and come right back. . . .you need a new stirrup! or w/e the horse can reach.
This horse looks like he'll always need a strong rider like yourself but what you've done with him is amazing as most don't have the patience or understanding. Please keep us updated on him as he's so interesting ❤
this horse would have hurt me. i would have not known when to bring my punishment back. i saw it wasnt working but i would have forgotton what was happening and I might have jumped off and gotten hurt but also ruined that horse even more. Having worked around abused horses I know how dangerous this situation was and how easily this could have gone so bad but you are the master. Very cool. I learn so much from you with these guys. Its wasted as I am too old now. But thanks.
This video reminds me of a time when I was a wrangler for a trail riding outfit in Colorado. They had all mules. I was asked to go and get a young mule across the bridge. I flapped my legs & turned his head in both directions for about 15 minutes before I was able to ride forward across the bridge. I love watching these young horse videos.
I have one who was like this, my mare, whereas my gelding was happy to do anything I asked from the 1st day. They are all so different, and I can see that someone less knowledgeable than yourself could end up in trouble. Nice to see how you insisted ,and were persistent without getting into a fight with him. I do like seeing the horses that are more challenging , and how you go about teaching them!
Horses like that are scary! He needs to go forward now! He is so lazy and disrespectful. Give me an off track TB any day compared to him!!!! You are such a kind man. Too many good horses out there to risk your life on this one.
I appreciate how calm you remain even though the horse is not obeying you. I wish I had this video back when my friend had a horse that would just stand there until gave up trying g to get him to move.
This horse is sullen and spoiled......niot a good combo! I had a QH mare just like that. She never got better. Hope this horse smooths out.... His actions are built in.
Geez, he’s uncooperative. He did improve towards the end of the video. Is this a young horse? I like the fact that you are as firm as necessary and soft when you can be. I sure hope he keeps improving. ❤
Hmmm....glad you have him in your barn. Definitely a professional's horse at the minute. I feel like this could escalate into balking/flipping in the wrong hands.
Nice job of ground driving - I think this is the first video I've ever seen of anyone ground driving in ages. Was beginning to wonder if anybody did it any more.
We always do lots of ground work including ground driving with our dressage horses. I’m also impressed but not surprised that it is incorporated here. Ground work is definitely an integral part of good training.
This fella does not connect up mentally......if his mind clicks and unlocks, his owner will need to be an experienced rider. If he gets an inch he will take a mile! He has potential, but you are gonna have to work for it; double time!
He's pretty stubborn. A friend had an arab cross similar and she would round pen everyday until the horse finally excepted her as lead. It to was a biter and quite dangerous. You did a good job with this one.
I enjoy your videos very much. Could you explain how saying “ good boy/girl” actually works? Does it work? Or is it just a verbal cue when pressure is released?
That's a bad-news horse unless he's ridden by a real-deal cowboy. One that doesn't have kids or grandkids. He's only one novice rider (or bold grandkid) away from a wreck of epic proportions. This horse is smart, and unwilling. He will do while he must, but he's not likely to stay safe without a rider with a lot of experience.
Will be interesting to see if this horse improves. He is very strong willed to do what he thinks he wants to do. Kind of a dangerous brat! That’s scary when they try to bite you when you’re on them-or off-but when I had my QH, he chomped on me bad once when I wasn’t expecting it because I wasn’t experienced and didn’t have appropriate help.
Phenomenal work as usual, and thankful for the videos. Would it be possible to do a video on when it’s time to say no to a horse as a trainer? What are some characteristics or behaviors that would make you as a horse trainer turn down a horse. (Juice not worth the squeeze)
@@jordanwhite5470He said he won't take dangerous horses. He told about one that used to explode and he did all his work then out of the blue it exploded on him and I think he went to hospital cos of it. I can't quite remember. He told a few stories of when he got hurt by horses and also people who had died from horse accidents, I think it was that video.
As you say doesnt look very dramatic , but i believe he is one of the most determindly obstinate and difficult horses i have ever seen .im over 60 and was reared by a mother who commonly worked through extreme behavior problems with peoples ponies .but mostly we started young horses and very rarely are they actually obstinate ,, in fact its rare for them to have opinions ,, they are like kids , they love to learn ,enjoy the attention .and usually thrive in the schooling situation . As you say this guy potentially very dangerous ..
At times, it looks to me as if - given the chance - he'd like to get down and roll, to get his own way in a dramatic and satisfying (to him!) fashion. Except you don't give him the chance, of course. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear that had been an issue with him.
Biting is a symptom, lack of respect is the root cause so making him move his feet stops the biting. Not letting him put his mouth on you keeps you from being bit until the resect is developed.
@@timandersonhorsetraining he does it every time i try taking him from the barn to the pasture and when i lead him back in from the pasture. He is not gelded, if i gelded him would that help or would he still try to dominate me
Two questions for you Tim... Do horses like Buddy come out of the box this way, or is it a human induced thing, or a bit of both? And, will a horse like this always need an experienced "leader"? I know that the second question is like trying to predict the future, and you may not be able to answer this. Watched it twice, and I think that I'm starting to recognize some of the more subtle negative behaviors that you see. Definitely looking forward to seeing how you bring him along. His story will definitely be a good learning experience, at least for me. ❤️🌵☀️⛈️🌈☮️🐎
I always say a trainer can't put something in a horse thst wasn't already there. All a trainer does is bring out things we want and discourage things we don't.
That horse is so lucky he's not mine. Too smart, and no willingness or respect. He might become an ok horse for you, but I have a lot of doubts about him staying a good horse when he goes home.
I dont think he would because even though he don't want to do what I want he don't want to do anything hard. Sometime they will act like they're going to do something like that but they are just trying to make the rider think so to get a release.
I was asked by a friend who is a trainer to put rides on a green horse like this. Everyone else was so jealous of me because the horse was this very exceptional looking grulla w/ the zebra legs and all. I kept it together and even when the horse tried to dump me after almost 2 hours of this plus when they put their head down they would try to buck and I was given a leather bat to get the mare moving again. . . . . .I was so happy to get off that mare and that was the day I took to heart the true meaning of "Never buy for Color" as people had tried to buy that horse for more money than I would have ever paid and they wanted to breed her and I would have NEVER bred that mare. The temperment on that mare had been that way since I had known her as a foal and it would take the owner an extensive time to get that mare out of pasture and caught as she had always been a "no" and bitten and no one was allowed to groom her or ride her except me/owner and I didn't want to and would have ridden anyone else, but no one else could handle this horse except the owner/trainer and myself. Then people wanting to breed that horse for color with the worst temperament of any horse I have ever had the displeasure of riding. . . . .says a lot about breeding for color over quality as I hope they get the sire's temperament.
Back in the day (in the 1950's - 1960's) these were called 'chicken horses'. Per pound price was high, and bad horses were worth more dead than alive. Some beautiful horses with dangerous ways went to chicken feed. Many riders were saved some pain by this too.
@@sallywasagoodolgal I haven't heard them called that before, but I have chickens and my friend had pigs so we have some idea of what goes into feed. . . . .Taught me a lot about what kind of horseman someone is when they say they want to breed a horse and they don't know the temperment of it yet. I still call those "fools" no matter what year and learned color and riding the "prettiest horse" at the ranch was not always a good thing. I was really disappointed how few people could look past her color and see the absolute poor temperament she had overall and that this was never something anyone should pass on in a horse. If this was a different animal I would have had her spayed/fixed so that was kept out of the future genetic lines. I never wanted to ride her, but she would push others too hard, kic/bite, and buck them off because they would let her have her head and would stop paying attention. Aint looking for a horse waiting for me to drop my guard so they can hurt me and she had a "rubber band mind". You made progrogress putting a bunch of rides on her with a really good trainer/rider and then you let her sit a week/few days and went back and it was like you never did a thing. Snapped right back to not knowing anything and biting and be pushy again.
Back to dog training for a sec- (dont hate) we often talk about the leash being a telegraph directly to dog brain, does that concept find familarity with reigns? Also how do you get off him without him chewing on you???
The owner actually rode this horse?? Yikes!! You sure have patience. That biting has been going on for a long time and he got away with it! (Before coming to you, I might add)
Oh my. This was so painful to watch. The owners clearly had quite a challenge - probably started this before they even got him as well. I've seen some trail horses like this - that refuse to move until they are whipped. I wonder if he's waiting for that signal - so maybe not smart (although possibly stubborn); maybe just hasn't a clue what body (human) language is all about. All he (possibly) knows is the whip means go.
You're a very patient and seemed to be a decent trainer, but watching this horse, he's very stiff in the neck just like the other one I watched you trying to train. These horses need flexibility training on the ground before you can never get on their back and ask for them to give neck around. Without flexibility training on the ground. It is hurting them because their neck is so stiff.
Absolutely not. Not only is this not hurting them but teaching them to be flexible on the ground without building the correct muscles creates other problems.
People love to make comments about horse's movements, and their comments reveal that they have no idea what they are talking about. This blog post talks about conditions and flaws that effect horse's movements and how that affects their movements. helpwithmyhorse.com/flaws-and-conditions-and-their-impact-on-equine-movement/
When you fist got on and he didn't move, even with pressure, it made me wonder what plans he was making for your demise.
Because he's not a spooky reactive horse, many people may think he's "quiet", but actually these type of overly-desensitized horses can be the most dangerous. It's the same reason that hand-raised foals become dangerous, they have no fear and therefore no respect, of humans. Horses are naturally wary of humans, you need to maintain some of that for training to work (moving away from your pressure). So horses with no wariness towards humans are more prone to ignore your pressure or even fight back against it.
Absolutely agree I find this type of horse terrifying and I have had them before. What's the right training they turn out okay but it's pretty darn scary.
I agree, he acts like he was hand-raised or weaned and kept in a stall by himself. A mare won’t put up with bratty behavior like this. If he wasn’t herd-raised, that would explain a lot.
I have to admit, my heart was racing thru most of this one. You sure do keep your cool! This guy has a shot at a good future with your training, otherwise I'm not so hopeful for his future.
What type of bit are you using?
Listening to your commentary I can see how someone could get into trouble on this horse. It's interesting to see how you make it a bit uncomfortable for him to do the wrong thing, without a battle, and with patience .Thankyou for posting this, and look forward to more
I consider myself a rather patient person, but my patience would have been wearing thin on the several attempts at biting.
His mental capacity seems to be very limited considering his age.
Will be looking forward to see a video on his progress.
Thank you for sharing ❤️
I don't see that his mental capacity is lacking for his age. I see a very strong willed horse that is intelligent as he waited until he was in the saddle to really start being incredibly willful. I believe the horse knows the right answer but chooses not to "take the easier path" and cooperate. I can easily see how people would have given up with him before and these "active no's" would have had people putting him away or not getting him from pasture so they didn't deal with being bitten or barely moving feet for a while as most people want to go out and ride. It's probably worked for him before.
His facial expressions and body language are very clear when he doesn't want to do something. He will actively "no" to get you to not ask him to do anything. His body tenses and his face/ears change the closer he believes you are getting to making him actually work. He has no problem giving anyone the finger in horse behavior for asking him to do anything he doesn't want to.
Oh here we go. God forbid anyone says any animal isn't intelligent. Someone will always Say there very smart. Nope the horse seems plain stupid. Doesn't know what's best for him. It's not intelligent to not want to take the path of least resistance.
@@jayvermute5173 I can very much assure you I have made statements about a horses intelligence level being lower before, but it's because of the hundreds and hundreds of horses I have been on and the many different behaviors I have witnessed. Heaven forbid someone have a different opinion for a reason other than "all horses are smart".
I also worry about human intelligence when a person makes large assumptions stating that they can predict other people's behavior as I would hope they use this power for some other reason than posting on the internet after someone has already commented and somehow proven their assumption. I also worry when they use double negatives in a sentence because public schools teach this basic grammar rule in elementary school.
Just like humans each horse has its own personality, intelligence level, ability to retain information, stubbornness, drive, etc.
He developed this attitude while in the owners care. What are the odds he'll revert when he leaves your care? The owner may need as much education as the horse! 16:45
That is a consistent problem in the industry as a whole is that the owners need to have ongoing lessons from a trainer to educate the owner/rider in how to apply gentle and consistent pressure and just wait . . .good behavior, release. If the owners specifically caused a problem and do not work on themselves at all and their behavior and feelings around the horse do not change then the problems are very likely to reoccur.
When I have trained I always attempt to get clients to continue working with a respected professional and this is good for both the owner and horse. Sadly, I will say that some "trainers" (I use the word very loosely) are more than happy to have repeat customers where the horse needs a "tune-up" every year as the owners continue their behaviors having no idea they are the ones causing the issues. The horse comes back from the trainers with a soft mouth and so gentle and in 10 to 11 mo is right back at the trainers pretending a bit doesn't exist and walking right through it.
This is what took us so long finding a local trainer. Well aware issue is with us. Trainer can help soften the horse, but it’s the owners who need most lessons.
It would be so wonderful to have trainers like him be able to store everything he knows about horses on a flash drive and then download it to the rest of us!
It's great to see the confidence you have with this horse despite his obstinance.
You could see how tense he was when you first mounted. I was afraid he would come unglued but thankfully he didn't. Nice to see how much more relaxed he was in both his body and facial expression at the end.
I absolutely love how you are telling him that he is going to be a productive member of society so everybody will like him. I believe the same is true of kiddos and dogs.
I thought the same thing! 🤣
You’re amazing I love watching you work! Thank you for sharing,.
I watch a lot of horse/training videos. Yours are easily some of the best. It is clear that you have been on LOTS of horses and your experience has helped me. THANK YOU!!
That is one very naughty, stubborn S.O.B. !
Will he give it up ?
This is an older video. He was nice when he went home.
Woah, here I thought I rode a lot of challenging horses in my life, but I never had one that started to bite me while sitting in the saddle. 😮
Not as rare as you may think. I've seen and had horse who would turn their heads around to bite and when you are in the saddle your boot is there. When you leave your horse tied with a saddle, even to use a restroom and come right back. . . .you need a new stirrup! or w/e the horse can reach.
This horse looks like he'll always need a strong rider like yourself but what you've done with him is amazing as most don't have the patience or understanding. Please keep us updated on him as he's so interesting ❤
You are the luckiest man!!! You may be working, training these horses but you are working/training horses!!!!!!!
No matter how much you like it, it becomes a job.I got turned out and almost quit a few years ago.
this horse would have hurt me. i would have not known when to bring my punishment back. i saw it wasnt working but i would have forgotton what was happening and I might have jumped off and gotten hurt but also ruined that horse even more. Having worked around abused horses I know how dangerous this situation was and how easily this could have gone so bad but you are the master. Very cool. I learn so much from you with these guys. Its wasted as I am too old now. But thanks.
This video reminds me of a time when I was a wrangler for a trail riding outfit in Colorado. They had all mules. I was asked to go and get a young mule across the bridge. I flapped my legs & turned his head in both directions for about 15 minutes before I was able to ride forward across the bridge. I love watching these young horse videos.
You have anther horses 🐎 🐎🐎🐎🐎🐄🐄🐄🐎🐎🐎 good work Mr tim have fun with the cows and horses 🐎
I have one who was like this, my mare, whereas my gelding was happy to do anything I asked from the 1st day.
They are all so different, and I can see that someone less knowledgeable than yourself could end up in trouble. Nice to see how you insisted ,and were persistent without getting into a fight with him. I do like seeing the horses that are more challenging , and how you go about teaching them!
Horses like that are scary! He needs to go forward now! He is so lazy and disrespectful. Give me an off track TB any day compared to him!!!! You are such a kind man. Too many good horses out there to risk your life on this one.
He certainly was determined.
Boy he really started participating toward the end. Great video! Stubborn Horse!
Really beautiful horse. But a handful! You are the perfect trainer for him as you have the patience of a saint.
Your patience in this video is amazing
SOOOO STUBBORN! 😮 your patience is admirable ❤
I’m happy he’s overall making progress, Team Buddy! 🎉
I appreciate how calm you remain even though the horse is not obeying you. I wish I had this video back when my friend had a horse that would just stand there until gave up trying g to get him to move.
This horse is sullen and spoiled......niot a good combo! I had a QH mare just like that. She never got better. Hope this horse smooths out.... His actions are built in.
So, I'm wondering why your mother using and aids? Dressage whip, spurs? Thank you.
Great horsemanship right there...🐴🌟
Geez, he’s uncooperative. He did improve towards the end of the video. Is this a young horse? I like the fact that you are as firm as necessary and soft when you can be. I sure hope he keeps improving. ❤
A very fortunate horse!
Thank you for your work…might want to paint that plywood & put advertisements on them…
Hmmm....glad you have him in your barn. Definitely a professional's horse at the minute. I feel like this could escalate into balking/flipping in the wrong hands.
Agreed, it sure could.
Nice job of ground driving - I think this is the first video I've ever seen of anyone ground driving in ages. Was beginning to wonder if anybody did it any more.
We always do lots of ground work including ground driving with our dressage horses. I’m also impressed but not surprised that it is incorporated here. Ground work is definitely an integral part of good training.
Good job Tim.
Buddy is doing better but he's so reluctant to do what he's told! The biting is too much. I'm looking forward to seeing him improve.
This fella does not connect up mentally......if his mind clicks and unlocks, his owner will need to be an experienced rider. If he gets an inch he will take a mile! He has potential, but you are gonna have to work for it; double time!
Morning guys. you have a cool manner.
He's pretty stubborn. A friend had an arab cross similar and she would round pen everyday until the horse finally excepted her as lead. It to was a biter and quite dangerous. You did a good job with this one.
My toes were curling at the start of that one!
I enjoy your videos very much. Could you explain how saying “ good boy/girl” actually works? Does it work? Or is it just a verbal cue when pressure is released?
They understand the tone of voice and associate it a reward because it comes with the release.
The real life horse whisperer. Robert Redford a’int got nothing on you man!
He would be going down the road....this is supposed to be enjoyable.....
He’s a gorgeous boy but definitely still in his teenage rebellion phase
That's a bad-news horse unless he's ridden by a real-deal cowboy. One that doesn't have kids or grandkids. He's only one novice rider (or bold grandkid) away from a wreck of epic proportions. This horse is smart, and unwilling. He will do while he must, but he's not likely to stay safe without a rider with a lot of experience.
I wish you would have showed us how to handle the bite.
Will be interesting to see if this horse improves. He is very strong willed to do what he thinks he wants to do. Kind of a dangerous brat! That’s scary when they try to bite you when you’re on them-or off-but when I had my QH, he chomped on me bad once when I wasn’t expecting it because I wasn’t experienced and didn’t have appropriate help.
Phenomenal work as usual, and thankful for the videos. Would it be possible to do a video on when it’s time to say no to a horse as a trainer? What are some characteristics or behaviors that would make you as a horse trainer turn down a horse. (Juice not worth the squeeze)
I turn down probably half the horses when I am first contacted.
@@timandersonhorsetraining So, what are some criteria you would use for turning them down?
@@jordanwhite5470 Yes, that would be interesting to find out, the criteria.
@@timandersonhorsetraining What would them reasons be if you don't mind?
@@jordanwhite5470He said he won't take dangerous horses. He told about one that used to explode and he did all his work then out of the blue it exploded on him and I think he went to hospital cos of it. I can't quite remember. He told a few stories of when he got hurt by horses and also people who had died from horse accidents, I think it was that video.
I noticed when he was trotting it looked he has a small head bob, does he have a lameness issue brewing?
As you say doesnt look very dramatic , but i believe he is one of the most determindly obstinate and difficult horses i have ever seen .im over 60 and was reared by a mother who commonly worked through extreme behavior problems with peoples
ponies .but mostly we started young horses and very rarely are they actually obstinate ,, in fact its rare for them to have opinions ,, they are like kids , they love to learn ,enjoy the attention .and usually thrive in the schooling situation .
As you say this guy potentially very dangerous ..
At times, it looks to me as if - given the chance - he'd like to get down and roll, to get his own way in a dramatic and satisfying (to him!) fashion. Except you don't give him the chance, of course. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear that had been an issue with him.
Great video again! will he revert back to his previous ways once someone who is not knowledgeable handles or gets on him again?
Are you not wearing spurs? I just saw the video of you talking of the necessity of spurs.
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Very interesting video.
Yeah, you pinned the bugger correctly....
Can I ask how you responded when he bit you? My horse hasnt bit me yet but keeps trying more and more? How do i make him stop
Biting is a symptom, lack of respect is the root cause so making him move his feet stops the biting. Not letting him put his mouth on you keeps you from being bit until the resect is developed.
@@timandersonhorsetraining he does it every time i try taking him from the barn to the pasture and when i lead him back in from the pasture. He is not gelded, if i gelded him would that help or would he still try to dominate me
@@nicolefinehout8894 you need to watch the movie "Buck". Particularly the end.
@@timandersonhorsetraining do you have the link? I scrolled thru your videos unable to find it
@@nicolefinehout8894 it's on Amazon TV.
Two questions for you Tim...
Do horses like Buddy come out of the box this way, or is it a human induced thing, or a bit of both?
And, will a horse like this always need an experienced "leader"?
I know that the second question is like trying to predict the future, and you may not be able to answer this.
Watched it twice, and I think that I'm starting to recognize some of the more subtle negative behaviors that you see.
Definitely looking forward to seeing how you bring him along.
His story will definitely be a good learning experience, at least for me.
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I always say a trainer can't put something in a horse thst wasn't already there. All a trainer does is bring out things we want and discourage things we don't.
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thank you
That horse is so lucky he's not mine. Too smart, and no willingness or respect. He might become an ok horse for you, but I have a lot of doubts about him staying a good horse when he goes home.
What would you do if you hold his head turned and they try to run sideways, like they are gonna fall?
I dont think he would because even though he don't want to do what I want he don't want to do anything hard. Sometime they will act like they're going to do something like that but they are just trying to make the rider think so to get a release.
I was asked by a friend who is a trainer to put rides on a green horse like this. Everyone else was so jealous of me because the horse was this very exceptional looking grulla w/ the zebra legs and all. I kept it together and even when the horse tried to dump me after almost 2 hours of this plus when they put their head down they would try to buck and I was given a leather bat to get the mare moving again. . . . . .I was so happy to get off that mare and that was the day I took to heart the true meaning of "Never buy for Color" as people had tried to buy that horse for more money than I would have ever paid and they wanted to breed her and I would have NEVER bred that mare. The temperment on that mare had been that way since I had known her as a foal and it would take the owner an extensive time to get that mare out of pasture and caught as she had always been a "no" and bitten and no one was allowed to groom her or ride her except me/owner and I didn't want to and would have ridden anyone else, but no one else could handle this horse except the owner/trainer and myself. Then people wanting to breed that horse for color with the worst temperament of any horse I have ever had the displeasure of riding. . . . .says a lot about breeding for color over quality as I hope they get the sire's temperament.
Back in the day (in the 1950's - 1960's) these were called 'chicken horses'. Per pound price was high, and bad horses were worth more dead than alive. Some beautiful horses with dangerous ways went to chicken feed. Many riders were saved some pain by this too.
@@sallywasagoodolgal I haven't heard them called that before, but I have chickens and my friend had pigs so we have some idea of what goes into feed. . . . .Taught me a lot about what kind of horseman someone is when they say they want to breed a horse and they don't know the temperment of it yet. I still call those "fools" no matter what year and learned color and riding the "prettiest horse" at the ranch was not always a good thing. I was really disappointed how few people could look past her color and see the absolute poor temperament she had overall and that this was never something anyone should pass on in a horse. If this was a different animal I would have had her spayed/fixed so that was kept out of the future genetic lines. I never wanted to ride her, but she would push others too hard, kic/bite, and buck them off because they would let her have her head and would stop paying attention. Aint looking for a horse waiting for me to drop my guard so they can hurt me and she had a "rubber band mind". You made progrogress putting a bunch of rides on her with a really good trainer/rider and then you let her sit a week/few days and went back and it was like you never did a thing. Snapped right back to not knowing anything and biting and be pushy again.
Back to dog training for a sec- (dont hate) we often talk about the leash being a telegraph directly to dog brain, does that concept find familarity with reigns? Also how do you get off him without him chewing on you???
I have a hard time not taking that behavior personally. Such disrespect.
Nothing about training should be taken personally, bad or good.
I know that in my head. It’s me that takes it wrong. You are teaching me so much. Matter of fact, fair and consistent.
I hope you popped him at least once!
You have the patience of Jobe. Not a temperament I like at all.
The owner actually rode this horse?? Yikes!! You sure have patience. That biting has been going on for a long time and he got away with it! (Before coming to you, I might add)
I thought that as well. Biting was his go-to response to any command. He didn't seem to expect any consequences for the unacceptable behavior either.
Oh my. This was so painful to watch. The owners clearly had quite a challenge - probably started this before they even got him as well. I've seen some trail horses like this - that refuse to move until they are whipped. I wonder if he's waiting for that signal - so maybe not smart (although possibly stubborn); maybe just hasn't a clue what body (human) language is all about. All he (possibly) knows is the whip means go.
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He’s trying to show you who’s in charge. He’s an alpha male.
Hmm… horses are supposed to be herbivores… and you sure don’t look like a plant to me…
It's an acquired taste!!
If he started ringing his tail around a lot would that be a sign that he is about to get Dramatic
Not necessarily, you have to look at the whole picture nit just one part.
Sour and stubborn will probably always try to revert back without the right rider. Add biting which equals not a fun horse. Maybe a range rider!
In my opinion, a balking horse is the most dangerous to ride because they can rear up and fall over backwards on you.
I guess ponying went fine but now he just wants to be stuck?
You're a very patient and seemed to be a decent trainer, but watching this horse, he's very stiff in the neck just like the other one I watched you trying to train. These horses need flexibility training on the ground before you can never get on their back and ask for them to give neck around. Without flexibility training on the ground. It is hurting them because their neck is so stiff.
Absolutely not. Not only is this not hurting them but teaching them to be flexible on the ground without building the correct muscles creates other problems.
Hes lame
Hes head bobbing
Lucky horse some one else could have made that a lot less enjoyable for him.
I’m 1 minute in and all I see is a horse who is very lame on the rear left.
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