they had the choice just like the first girl he started courting..her mom shut it down.if anything they are worse for throwing her to the wolf.poor brainwashed Anna:(
When I watched the episodes about Anna and Josh’s courtship, I remember thinking that her parents wanted to latch on to the Duggars fame (and maybe money). Knowing now, that they knew all about Josh, I just hate them.
So when you are promiscuous and touch yourself that is what causes your son to be a pig? Oh I didn't know that is what causes that. The judge would let him out if he knew that. Not! Say what you want Saying it doesn't make it true.
True, but it has actually been proven that when a child sees p**n at an early age, they are more likely to have issues than those that hadn't. My ex husband is an addict and he was introduced very young and he has told me the stories of how he would go out of his way, sneak etc to watch it around the age of 10. He is in his mid 60's and it's still a struggle for him. We are friends, but no longer married. He was never as far as I know, attracted to children.
Yep. My cousins and I found our uncle’s stash of Playboy magazines when we were kids. We giggled at the content, and that was the end of it. None of us grew up to do anything remotely like that.
@@lestranged I was raised by a family of pedophiles. On several occasions, I found myself in situations where I was encouraged to molest another child. I never did. It felt wrong. I had no desire to become like my abusers or ever hurt anyone.
If Jim Bob was truely providing the umbrella of protection for his family, he would not tell his friends private details about his wife. What kind of protector is that?
That pretty much was a shark, jumping outrage. Parading and exposing your kids to so-called reality. TV is a bad thing I’ve not seen one single so-called reality group that it hasn’t turned out poorly with the children we’re all too young to make this decision. The parents just drag them along in it and then you have this unbelievable outrageous, personal information about his own wife, being blabbed about. This is beyond the pale.
I am pretty sure that JB know and condoned the cutting of the hair, as he controlled every aspect of that family, and still tries to. But as the kids are starting to come forward and tell other things that happened, he needs someone to blame. Oh how I would love to be a fly on the wall, during some of those conversations between JB and Michelle
@@LisaKoffler I just replied this to someone else but here is my thoughts. Ever since the show started, first aired, I was sure itd eventually cone out the dad was abusing the girls. When it came out to be the son I was surprised either but i can't help but to think the dad is still very much guilty. I think he did it to the girls when they were far too young to remember or possibly fid something to Josh. Again, I may be way WAY WAYYY WRONG but I just don't feel the dad is innocent. I don't mean he didn't do enough to prevent it either. I think he did a lot more to assist in his son's behavior.
Wow. All thoze sons all thoze years watching and lissning as all thoze blame games went on ( the daily grind; the norm). Yet on the show he musta ben playin a character - that of a strong righteous loving dad hubby. Uggh the twerp did what was easiest not what was right. 😓Tsk. (can u imagine the locals_they knew the real but a 360 on the sho lol). Thank you Katie good research. Its ben a minit. Blessings 🙏
Imagine being a woman,being part of an oppressive,male cult and having your husband out you for deejaying at a party of one and not only that but blaming you for your son's behaviors and fails to do anyting to protect the daughters he didn't get to,That we know of.,by marrying him off to the first grade-a ditz that would have him!
It's funny but yet not I know Meesh is saying like why did I share that with Jim Bob you think he prayed over her after? No, it got him .. Yes, being terrible forgive me
@@moriahdeatley5335 Not only was he wrong for outing Michelle, but this isn’t even an issue. It’s personal, but it isn’t wrong physically or morally, and it certainly wouldn’t be a reason why your first born would engage in criminal activity.
@Lisa Koffler I grew up in a super fundemebtalist house. My dad was even the pastor of a very large congregation, and I can assure you this does not surprise me even the slightest. It took me years of therapy to unravel the. Mess this ideology is
Yeah,meanwhile while Jim was blaming Michelle for flicking the bean Josh was digitally pentrating his sisters and truthfully,if Josh had not done this to a non family member I'd be more then willing to bet we wouldn't have heard a darn thing about it!
If JB really thought his wife would pass on her "sins" to the kids, why on earth did he have any at all? Why did he push for Josh to get married and start reproducing? This family is far more disturbed than we can ever know.
To stay with brainless bob train of though. what if what Josh saw or heard. that gave him issues. was his parents going at it. 19 children and not one of them heard or walked in on their parents. I call bullshit on that. Now I’m not good at math ,but that’s a lot fcking in a small house with a lot of people
This is the first I've heard about Michelle being promiscuous or self-pleasuring. For starters, most all teens have done this at some point. Most all teen boys have done it & I don't believe for a moment that Jim Bob is an exception. Secondly, I think Michelle did do some dating in high school which is not the same as being promiscuous. Jim Bob needs his mouth tape shut since he doesn't know what is appropriate & what isn't appropriate to talk about.
Eww…who would say that about their wife, even if it were true? Jim Bob is full of crap. He is no angel. It’s obvious why Josh denies everything & blames others for his wrongdoings. He learned this behavior from his father. 😡
@@LisaKoffler Besides all the horrible things that Josh did, I can’t get past the arrogant attitudes. It’s like Jim Bob & Josh think just because they’re part of this “elite” group called the IBLP, they are better than everyone else & they can’t do any wrong. I grew up Catholic, & I feel that same way about some Catholics. They just have this air about them that irks me. These people need to get over themselves.
I mean, it's messed up that he blames Michelle, it's messed up that he told his friends about her private sex life, but let's not forget there is literally NOTHING WRONG with doing what she allegedly did. She's human. It's normal. Grrr fundamentalism makes me crazy the way it denies our right to be human.
There are plenty of cult-like organizations with basically the same ideology. It’s Wack-A-Mole for the SA’ers of the world. Shut one down, another pops up. I have a feeling that these organizations’ time is just about up. I hope I’m right.
No. Jim Bob is worse then a fool. Jim Bob has failed his children on the most basic levels. Let's not lose sight of the fact that it is all together possible that Josh was possibly s.a.'ed at some point in his own life. While I have no sympathy for Josh in the sense that he hurt his sisters and watched scumbags hurt innocent children I do have some in that Josh's parents are absolutely the gutter trash worse when it comes to making sure he got the help that he needed. I get that pedophiles very,very rarely stop or don't reoffend but think about this. Jim Bob thought having a child who was violated by Josh coming in to shave his head. He thought that bringing Josh back and forth to film was going to make his family look better. Jim Bob thought sending him to dig a ditch would be more helpful then say sending him to a hospital! This man has spent years climbing all over his wife and impregnanting her every flippin' time he felt the urge! I guess if you go by Jim Bob's warped logic Michelle flickin' the bean made Josh a pedophile,Jim Bob's dad being a criminal made his son a criminal,and what's next here? I guess if one of the duaghter's gets pregnant out of wedlock he can blame Deanna,right? JIm Bob's not a fool. He's an f'n liar. How else do you explain him marrying Michelle so young and claiming he fell in love with her straight away? She couldn't even remember him! Let's call this what it is,and no I don't buy that Jimbo didn't think impurely or do anything with little Jimbo,Jim Bob's pants got tight the first time he saw Michelle and he talked a simple,young woman into thinking this is what she wanted. It's just tragic that in all of this Michelle didn't realize that he husband had thrown her under the bus and backed up over her metophorical corpse!
Josh needs to be in jail for life. They are legitimately the most hypocritical people I’ve ever seen. With the exception of Jill and Jinger of course. And Anna isn’t going to fix him, jail won’t either. But at least he can’t hurt anyone there. And Anna needs to divorce him and actually get a job and raise her kids.
It's also intensely stupid! Jim Bob and Michelle married pretty young and if you believe the crap he's spewing then what does that say about him as a husband and a partner? "My wife self pleasured and I never did so now I have no idea what I'm doing and my wife has to do that to herself because I can't satisfy her."? Remember how Michelle claimed she was not just available to Jim Bob but joyfully available? That says so much about Jim Bob's prowess in the bedroom because if she actually enjoyed sex with him she wouldn't have to just be joyfully available to him. She would be a happy,contended woman who would advice women to explore their bodies,with their spouse/partner,or by themselves, to figure out what makes them feel good so they could tell their husbands,partner or spouses how to please them.
I AGREE 100%! I was thinking that very same thing, when I heard what Katie said! Also, it has been proven that even babies touch themselves, and they do not remember doing it, because they were babies/toddlers! So, he has done it, whether or not, he admits it! I swear that this jerk has a God complex! He acts like he is so pure & righteous and he is NOT! He is a manipulative liar!
He's cult to the max delusional makes S up as he goes along. That statement stupid belief would mean all of his children are cursed to be the same right ? Yep Michelle birthed all of them through her wicked vessel dumb dumb
I feel sympathy for her because she has a husband who tossed her under the buss and backed up over her but otherwise I have none. Jim Bob can point the finger wherever he wants but he might want to invest in a mirror because he did nothing to help his children and I do not buy for a second he never had struggles with lust or self pleasing. A human is not going to not feel urges and I think Jim Bob is lying his butt off.
I feel more sorry for Anna than I ever have. This story is sickening. Imagine the betrayal and lack of concern for her by everyone in her life, including her father, husband, and church. She was just a thing to be used by everyone involved for their own motives. Now, she's in the position of betraying herself and her children. TLC is awful and should be held accountable for their part in this mess. So many people are damaged. It's disgusting.
@@cj2130 you seem to forget at what age Joshua committed these last crimes. Hardly at an age to be innocent, or a victim to feel sorry for. He knew exactly what he was doing and that he was wrong!! He already had numerous children of his own.
I will agree with you to an extent. I would imagine that when she was a young adult, coming from a home with like seven or eight children, getting a taste of minor celebrity lifestyle would have been intoxicating to her. People were interested in her. People were asking her questions about her hopes and dreams. People thought that she was such a role model. And likely, that was the first time she’s ever felt that, and it was probably addicting. She was small-town royalty. But… At some point, you have to be responsible for your own life, your own future, your own choices, and your own family. Anna is in her 30s now and she has seven children to think about. She can’t play coy and act like she’s just a little innocent Sunday school girl, and that everyone should love her. She needs to put her kids first and get them away from there, even if that means staying in a shelter, or going to live with a relative or having no money for a while. The best thing she can do for her children is to get them as far away from Joshua and his enablers as she possibly can.
Once again this just shows how little women mean to this group. It's about megalomaniac men and women are just property or pawns for the men to trade like baseball cards!!!! 😡😡😡
@@brendaboze7878 my feelings exactly. From the very beginning of this entire ordeal, like when the show first started, I always thought the dad would be the one who these accusations would come out about. When it was the brother I still wasn't surprised but it just made me worry more about the dad. I think he may have been in on it when the girls were too young to remember or did it to Josh. I may be way wrong but I have a sick feeling im not too far off.
Go back and watch the video where Josh proposes to Anna. Watch her reaction. She leans away from him when he asks and leans away from him whilst sitting next to him. Body language says everything!
I was watching some behavior specialist on RUclips and I think they were trying to show signs of Josh's personality even back then. So they did a response to his marriage proposal to Anna. And even they were shocked. They were like "look at her body language, she is not happy about this" they just kept pointing out an awkward smile or movement and how she kept kind of wanting to pull her body away from him. I remember thinking that I of course didn't notice it at the time, but how now it does really seem off and out of place for sure.
I know, I always thought that was concerning. She looked like she had just been given a sentence of life in prison and had to act like she was happy about it because it was what he parents wanted. Her parents essentially sold Anna into slavery.
I'm sure shaving Josh's head just exacerbated his existing issues. It definitely wasn't going to help. It probably was humiliating for him. He needed professional help. It's so sad they never sent him to a professional counselor for his issues. He likely was a SA victim himself.
The part I found most disturbing was the parents only caring about money and not their children. To me that is disturbing, despicable, disgusting, disheartening, and very disloyal to those who call themselves Christians. These parents in my eyes deserve to be in jail along with Josh. Their daughters deserve to have a life of their own. Jim Bob and Michelle will have to answer to all mighty for all their sins. I know understand better about Anna. Anna was used by her own father and set up to take the fall for Josh- she never had a chance and will never have a chance while married to this disgusting piece of trash Josh. Anna should be allowed to leave this family and raise her children away from this cult. These children deserve a life without Josh, Jim Bob or Michelle. Anna has siblings that have offered to help, and she should take that help.
Yes BUT? Her family is with the IBLP? So she will never escape Her Creepy husband!!!I wish someone could scoop up her and her children and hide them! But Anna is so brainwashed it will take years of therapy! Those poor children! Why have the authorities done something? I dont get it?😢😢😢
Let me get this straight. Josh got his head shaved because he was too vain? It’s a sin to take pride in your appearance, but it is okay to blame a family friend for your legal problems? It was wrong for Michelle to pleasure herself when she was a teenager because that made her first born want to download CP? Please tell me what I am missing here. Their son is in jail for CP, but they are hung up on self pleasuring yourself? I am actually beginning to feel sorry for Josh. I don’t think he ever had a chance of getting any real help; and I know Anna never had a chance. Can’t anyone in that church help Anna get a backbone? She is supposed to forgive Josh for cheating on her, but Jim Bob is holding it against Michelle for pleasuring herself as a teen. How would he even know this? Did she have to confess it to him before they got married? I think if Jim Bob runs for office again he should add “I have never once pleasured myself” to his list of credentials.
Josh has characteristics of being sexually abused himself. Further, there’s a big difference between humility and being humiliated. Sometimes, a humiliated child is so wounded inside they will dig in their heels privately, determining to “get back” at parents or other authority figures by sneakily doing more of what got them in trouble in the first place and even worse. It’s their way to feel like they are getting back some sense of power and control. The more they sent him away to dredge scummy ponds or other unsavory activities, the more resentment builds up. It’s a shame that the most critical thing people will ever do in life is raise children, but nothing is taught about how to do that well and in positive, healthy ways. Children learn what they live. And most grow up to do it all over again to their kids.
There is something very wrong with Josh and I'm sorry but seeing a men's magazine at 8 years old,your mom pleasuring herself,and your grandpa being whatever horrible thing JIm Bob is going to claim his father was is not the reason for it. Someone did something to Josh and I'm sorry but the longer we listen and the more stories we hear the more I have to wonder,and maybe I'm wrong,but was it Jim Bob? Jimbo has been passing blame around like the joint in a circle and I'm just wondering now. DId he do something to Josh? Did someone he knows do something to Josh? He turned a blind eye to his daughters being abused by his son so I'm wondering. How much of a blind eye did Jim Bob turn to if he found out someone had touched Josh? Also this cult has big issue with victim blaming so I'm sort of curious. If Josh was victimized and confided in Jim Bob does that mean Jim Bob thought that if Josh was abused by a man that Josh was gay or something?
@@dawnclark4635 good comment. Yes josh is just weird to me. Fake as a three dollar bill. My late hubby used to watch that show with me and always said Sharon there is just something with that family that’s odd. He couldn’t put his finger on it. Why the hell would Michelle tell jb anything she did in private . I wouldn’t he uses everything she did against her. And that’s bothersome to me. I wish he would leave that poor woman alone already. These women carry a lot of guilt on their shoulders that I truly wonder if the suicide rate is high amongst cult women,
Not only does Josh need to be in jail, his parents need to be held accountable for their actions or lack there of!! Digging a ditch and reading the Bible doesn’t make you a Christian, and wasn’t punishment enough!! Charges should be made against the whole Cult, on behalf of all the girls and women who have been abused!! Something I noticed in the clip at the beginning, Michelle didn’t have her phoney quiet voice!!!
If Josh had been charged years ago for what he did to his sisters it is all together possible that Jim Bob and Michelle could've been charged for wreckless endanagerment or parental neglect but sadly that never happened and I firmly believe that if Josh had not touched a non family member we wouldn't have heard anything about these incidents until the trial and during Josh's conviction. Jim Bob and Michelle did a first rate job of covering up Josh's crimes but they failed on two fronts. First,and most of all,protecting their daughters from him and two,figuring out what the heck happened to Josh because this stuff doesn't happen in a vaccum. Josh needed help and he didn't get it and in my mind that's on Michelle and Jim Bob.
@@wendi2819 it's a trick. It's supposed to convince everyone she's innocent and sweet. I'm 99% certain she doesn't actually talk to her kids like that.
@@LisaKoffler I’m willing to suspend judgment on whether someone should or shouldn’t propose in a restaurant- that’s a personal choice. Balloons would definitely not be my taste- But I was more referring to the fact that he has assaulted his sisters, and Anna’s father had been helping him recover from that- And somehow she’s now the sacrificial lamb in this scenario- she’s going to aid in his recovery by becoming his wife. I probably would have not have been as concerned about the setting as the fact that the guy asking was a creep- and she was being spiritually manipulated- I think that explains the “oh crap!” look on her face. She looks trapped. She is trapped.
These people are so annoying… their twisted discipline and backwards beliefs screwed this kid up ( and probably countless others)… they have no one to blame but themselves. I wish they were held accountable, too! Ridiculous.
We all agree Jim Bob lied about pleasuring himself all guys do it at some point and nothing is wrong with that. Jim Bob should have his head shaved for all the lies and none help he gave his daughters.
Josh needed help when he was younger. Counseling by a professional might have helped him. His parents are idiots. I feel bad for the sisters. I feel bad for the kids still left at home.🙁
Did you see the clip posted from an inmate is the Texas prison system regarding Josh's recent violation with the cell phone? He is saying that because of his infraction he will eventually be transferred to a medium security prison and if he is lucky it will be one of 3 prisons that are friendly to his type of crime. He makes a big point of saying the nice days are over and reality kicks in and it will be a very rough 12 years.
I’d love for him to go to real prison not some prison for men who abuse children. Josh needs to be taught a lesson like old Subway Jared. Is that mean for me to say? I’m sorry men that abuse children should be gelded and stoned . Sexual child abuse is the worst form of abuse. I’ve watched a documentary on men where the men have actually said it good I got life without parole as I would do it again and again.
Hi Katie, this whole mess with Josh is the IBLP fault. Josh was told over and over how great he is. The Kellers are fools for allowing Anna to marry Josh. Anna is so brainwashed by the IBLP she will never leave Josh. Thank you for your videos, and keeping me updated on all things Duggar.
“Nobody asked if something happened to Josh?” One of the saddest things to hear. So many youthful S.A. Have been SA by somebody else as a child. Without therapy and help , they end up like Josh. Had he gotten therapy after the first incident came to light , maybe things would be different now. Also not getting help for girls is shameful . JB and M pride definitly gave them a huge fall
Agree completely! It sure seems possible that Josh has had something done to him at or before the age of 8 (which is when he was caught with girlie magazines). You can't ignore an issue & it goes away. It gets bigger & more troublesome!
With how much Josh was basically shoved off on strangers and the way the church is, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone from the church did things to him or started much of this. :-( doesn’t excuse what he’s done but he clearly hasn’t got adequate or really any true help and it’s a bit unfair the IBLP played such a big role in denying that help.
Can you imagine the humiliation of having your head shaved at that age? None of the kids got any help. Josh didn't and the girls didn't. Now all the kids - at home or out on their own - have a brother in jail and still no help for them. How to process all of the tumult in the family.
Omgosh! Who the heck are these ppl?! Michelle's "sins" have absolutely nothing to do with the way Josh is/was behaving. Josh has his own free agency.....he is the ONLY one that is in control of his behavior. I feel if anyone is going to blame anyone it needs to be the parents. Jim Bob & Michelle failed to get the help that Josh needed.....sweeping it under the carpet didn't make it go away nor did it "fix" him. There is no accountability!! These ppl seriously need to get a reality check. Just so disturbing!
If JB believes that Josh's crimes are inherited, then why would they encourage him to get married and have so many children? Logic would be that all his boys would be the same. Makes no sense! That scene in the wedding episode where JB comes in to have "the talk" is even more cringe, knowing what we know now!
Jim Bob will blame anyone other than look at his own role with any of this to such a degree that it makes me wonder why he's so keen no one looks at him when wondering how josh turned out how he did....
I have to laugh because I went to church with them when they went to First Baptist Springdale. I’ve known them since the late 80’s. We went to eat one Sunday at Marketplace, a favorite of most in NWA. They were there ( I think 5 maybe 6 kids then). I have 2 and my youngest was around 2 and of course acting like that. Jim Bob had the audacity to send Josh over to tell me I needed to discipline her so she could be more Godly-like has they were. I went to their table and said did you seriously send Josh over and he replied my children would grow up and not be good, abiding, respectful asset to society when they become adults 😂.
I'm glad you confronted him. I wish you would email him now and say, how are your kids doing now? Oh! Wait! My kids are not in prison!!! I wish Katie would interview you!!! And Oprah too!!!
@@kathyglass2922 Josh was always the golden child, the rest, especially the girls were 2nd class citizens 🥺. He always appeared/acted a little cocky…our boys are about a year apart. Oh and he knows mine aren’t in prison 🥰
A suspicion I have about why Josh turned out this way was the way the kids got raised: authoritarian, beaten, next to no physical contact of ANY kind, caused trauma. Abuse breeds abuse.
Is it possible that Josh was prideful about his hair because that is an example that was set for him? I seem to remember Jim Bob talking about his hair and all of the hairspray that he used to fix it everyday.
The apple doesn't fall from the tree. Josh was the first born golden child and was treated as such an inherited his Dad's narcissism much like Donald Trump inherited from his father.
Back when the show was popular I would always argue that they couldn't possibly give their children the attention that they all needed. Not surprisingly, I was right. I can't believe people disagreed with me. They've always been a morally bankrupt couple.
Many years ago I enjoyed watching this families reality show. Then when word got out about Josh and how his parents covered up what he was doing. I feel there is no cure for Josh. His wife can't save him and it's sad that Anna has 7 of his kids. I wonder how often he may have touched his kids. I will leave it at that because it wouldn't be appropriate for me to say how I really feel. The many people who covered up Josh's wrong doings is sickening.
The first thing I thought of when he got busted, was I wonder if he has been messing with his own kids? It surely wouldn't be an unreasonable thought, considering this guy's issues. The really sad part is, I think if his wife walked in on him doing something with one of his own babies, I still don't think she would leave or do anything about it. Just pray on it.
Anna's parents are also to blame for this mess. Knowing what Josh did and allowing their daughter to marry him disgusting. Now she and her children are left to suffer. And Anna feels obligated to stay with him.
Soooooo, JB threw Michelle under the bus. Seems legit. I don't doubt that at all. Nevermind that JB raised his sons to be blameless and everything is the girls fault. JB is the perfect storm to have sons like Josh. Just wait. There are more.
The IBLP and other Quiverful sects teach that "front hugging" is for procreation and the pleasure of the male only. Women are not capable of, nor should they expect, pleasure. Jim Boob was under no obligation to please Michelle, but, then again, I don't think that he could please her or any woman. He is nothing but an abusive bully. He makes my skin crawl! ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
Finding out Josh was sa as a kid would definitely explain a lot along with the fact that the folks in the Duggars social and church circles being too afraid to ask about that is not unheard of. I deeply feel that the folks that know Jim Bob and Michelle pretty deeply are afraid that if they start asking questions on if Josh was assaulted as a kid, that they will be very horrified but not surprised by the answer.
Katie, I was watching a creator yesterday who gave a shoutout to you and your channel and told his followers to check out your channel! His show's specifically about prisons in Texas and he did a segment on Josh and some recent trouble he got into.
Yeah and I bet Shelly's "promiscuity" that JB now shames her for, was probably very attractive to him at the time, maybe even now, because she might do more adventurous acts for him. Men claim to want virgins, but are turned on by experienced women. Just like how I suspect part of how Robin mesmerized Kody was with her past experience. He said he was grossed out by her "giving away her purity" lol but based on comments they've both made, including an early one about 69, he secretly loved her being experienced, unlike his other wives.
Given the narcissistic tendencies of the parents it’s not surprising that Josh has the problems he does. He would make an interesting case study for psych grad student.
If it were due to the curiosity of a sheltered teenage boy, it likely wouldn't have followed him into adulthood. If it's a proclivity, for whatever reason, no amount of counseling is likely to "cure him" of it.
Had they gotten him professional help before the age of 18 this could have been. Turned around ..but now he is an adult it’s too late for the mind to bd fixed! Parents who think that talking to their kids about sex is hush hush and sinful are usually a part of a religious sect like the IBLP who teaches parents to not trust the school system…not trust doctors and not to trust psychologists…they do this because they are protecting “sin in the camp”…they have fostered an environment where abuse can happen easily and have a difficult time with it coming out in the open …then people like JB become such backwards thinking …it’s disgusting …I think Josh was abused and exposed to this stuff from some of the leaders in the IBLP and JB knows about it….
I'd always thought Josh was very intrigued with what was going on in mom and dad's bedroom. Cripes, with all the kids that came after him...they couldn't of been that quite all the time.
I guess it never occurred to Jim Boob that he is just as guilty as Michelle for not getting Josh the help Josh needed. I don't think that I should be amazed as I am on the arrogance of the Duggar men.
I now wonder if someone did do something to him that triggered the spark in his brain to do it to someone else and like it. I always thought it was crazy how young he was when he got married and how fast it was. Sad to see the family wanted him to be someone else’s problem
And like JB never did the same thing to himself?!?!!? Gimme a break!! If I were Michelle I'd be gone right there! Just when he can't get any lower, he blames Josh's "issues" on his mother?!!??!! WTH
The person that has a problem with pride seems to be Jim Bob! He's blaming his wife's behavior as a teen for Josh's behavior! The 2 things have nothing to do with each other! Josh had issues that needed to be dealt with in therapy, counseling, mental health care & they did nothing for Josh. Nothing! Yes, God can heal, but sometimes that healing comes through doctors, therapy, medication, whatever necessary. God created you a thinking brain. God isn't a good luck charm...you pray & it magically happens. Christians who think like this frustrate me! Bottom line: their kid needed professional help; instead of getting him help, they hid behind their religion; and they never got him help. They dropped the ball!
Thank you, Katie! Religious cults, lack of education, and resistance to professional, objective counseling/guidance certainly have a profound effect on individuals, families, and communities! How very sad! While I feel Josh is receiving appropriate punishment for his illegal, adult criminal activities, it is reprehensible that his family never sought reliable, objective cognitive-behavioral therapy administered by trained professionals, and they denied their daughters/Josh's victims much-needed psychotherapy! This has impacted so many lives, and it could have been so different if Jim Bob had valued ALL of his children instead of just Golden Boy Josh! They told everyone they shaved Josh's head to induce humility because he was too prideful--I think Jim Bob described himself!!
I was watching counting on yesterday and Anna had said that Josh sat her and her parents down to tell them what he did and she said she knew when she married him… why would her parents have allowed their daughter and encouraged their daughter to be with someone who has done this is what I don’t understand. Or how she thought it was forgivable
I feel bad that Anna's parents basically gave Anna to him knowing all of this. Puting their own grandkids in harms way. Horrible :(
they had the choice just like the first girl he started courting..her mom shut it down.if anything they are worse for throwing her to the wolf.poor brainwashed Anna:(
When I watched the episodes about Anna and Josh’s courtship, I remember thinking that her parents wanted to latch on to the Duggars fame (and maybe money). Knowing now, that they knew all about Josh, I just hate them.
@@LisaKoffler Yup, they wanted the fame too. I'll never forget the engagement episode. That episode said so much about who they are .
Yup. This was an arranged marriage. Probably with some financial exchange to Anna's parents. Both families are disgusting.
Anna’s parents threw her to the wolf to be attached to the Dugger fame.
It never ceases to amaze me on how badly this was handled and the poor sisters never got any support or help.
With their teaching..i bet the girls were blamed for it
It’s horrifying that those poor girls had to keep living with him for years after. They did not protect their girls at all it’s shameful.
So when you are promiscuous and touch yourself that is what causes your son to be a pig? Oh I didn't know that is what causes that. The judge would let him out if he knew that. Not! Say what you want Saying it doesn't make it true.
they were
All these years later I can still hardly believe this all happened!
Almost every kid sees some adult content, and yet we don't grow up to commit the crimes Josh did.
True, but it has actually been proven that when a child sees p**n at an early age, they are more likely to have issues than those that hadn't. My ex husband is an addict and he was introduced very young and he has told me the stories of how he would go out of his way, sneak etc to watch it around the age of 10. He is in his mid 60's and it's still a struggle for him. We are friends, but no longer married. He was never as far as I know, attracted to children.
yes and mens magazines have adult women in the photos. So they don't logically lead to a viewer becoming interested in young children.
Yep. My cousins and I found our uncle’s stash of Playboy magazines when we were kids. We giggled at the content, and that was the end of it. None of us grew up to do anything remotely like that.
You’ve gotta know that this goes WAY beyond Josh looking at Playboy. Something was done to Josh. Which in no way justifies what a pig he is.
@@lestranged I was raised by a family of pedophiles. On several occasions, I found myself in situations where I was encouraged to molest another child. I never did. It felt wrong. I had no desire to become like my abusers or ever hurt anyone.
Jim Bob: "never had problems with lust"
also Jim Bob: has 20 kids
If Jim Bob was truely providing the umbrella of protection for his family, he would not tell his friends private details about his wife. What kind of protector is that?
That pretty much was a shark, jumping outrage. Parading and exposing your kids to so-called reality. TV is a bad thing I’ve not seen one single so-called reality group that it hasn’t turned out poorly with the children we’re all too young to make this decision. The parents just drag them along in it and then you have this unbelievable outrageous, personal information about his own wife, being blabbed about. This is beyond the pale.
I am pretty sure that JB know and condoned the cutting of the hair, as he controlled every aspect of that family, and still tries to. But as the kids are starting to come forward and tell other things that happened, he needs someone to blame.
Oh how I would love to be a fly on the wall, during some of those conversations between JB and Michelle
@@LisaKoffler I just replied this to someone else but here is my thoughts. Ever since the show started, first aired, I was sure itd eventually cone out the dad was abusing the girls. When it came out to be the son I was surprised either but i can't help but to think the dad is still very much guilty. I think he did it to the girls when they were far too young to remember or possibly fid something to Josh. Again, I may be way WAY WAYYY WRONG but I just don't feel the dad is innocent. I don't mean he didn't do enough to prevent it either. I think he did a lot more to assist in his son's behavior.
Wow. All thoze sons all thoze years watching and lissning as all thoze blame games went on ( the daily grind; the norm). Yet on the show he musta ben playin a character - that of a strong righteous loving dad hubby. Uggh the twerp did what was easiest not what was right. 😓Tsk.
(can u imagine the locals_they knew the real but a 360 on the sho lol). Thank you Katie good research. Its ben a minit. Blessings 🙏
Imagine being a woman,being part of an oppressive,male cult and having your husband out you for deejaying at a party of one and not only that but blaming you for your son's behaviors and fails to do anyting to protect the daughters he didn't get to,That we know of.,by marrying him off to the first grade-a ditz that would have him!
How horrible of JB to “out” Michelle for self pleasuring! I would divorce over the humiliation alone. Just horrible
It's funny but yet not I know Meesh is saying like why did I share that with Jim Bob you think he prayed over her after? No, it got him .. Yes, being terrible forgive me
He’s a narcissist just like josh, so anything that goes wrong is NEVER his fault 🙄🤢 I hope both JB and Josh get a reality check
@@moriahdeatley5335 Not only was he wrong for outing Michelle, but this isn’t even an issue. It’s personal, but it isn’t wrong physically or morally, and it certainly wouldn’t be a reason why your first born would engage in criminal activity.
I thought the same thing.
Oh Wow. Yes!
Just when you think these parents can't get anymore despicable and delusional.
Agreed. 💯
@Lisa Koffler I grew up in a super fundemebtalist house. My dad was even the pastor of a very large congregation, and I can assure you this does not surprise me even the slightest. It took me years of therapy to unravel the. Mess this ideology is
IQ's of a dust bunny
@Kathy P that's insulting to dust bunnies!
@@LisaKoffler These people (Jimbo and Michelle) are the worst.
Jim Bob and Michelle play the blame game. It is everyone else's fault but Josh. It is truly sickening.
Yeah,meanwhile while Jim was blaming Michelle for flicking the bean Josh was digitally pentrating his sisters and truthfully,if Josh had not done this to a non family member I'd be more then willing to bet we wouldn't have heard a darn thing about it!
Josh will never change because he doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong at all. Narcissistic pig 🐷
I can't help but think about how hellish it must be to be part of this family.
If JB really thought his wife would pass on her "sins" to the kids, why on earth did he have any at all? Why did he push for Josh to get married and start reproducing? This family is far more disturbed than we can ever know.
To stay with brainless bob train of though. what if what Josh saw or heard. that gave him issues. was his parents going at it. 19 children and not one of them heard or walked in on their parents. I call bullshit on that. Now I’m not good at math ,but that’s a lot fcking in a small house with a lot of people
Great point!
This is the first I've heard about Michelle being promiscuous or self-pleasuring. For starters, most all teens have done this at some point. Most all teen boys have done it & I don't believe for a moment that Jim Bob is an exception. Secondly, I think Michelle did do some dating in high school which is not the same as being promiscuous. Jim Bob needs his mouth tape shut since he doesn't know what is appropriate & what isn't appropriate to talk about.
Eww…who would say that about their wife, even if it were true? Jim Bob is full of crap. He is no angel. It’s obvious why Josh denies everything & blames others for his wrongdoings. He learned this behavior from his father. 😡
@@LisaKoffler Besides all the horrible things that Josh did, I can’t get past the arrogant attitudes. It’s like Jim Bob & Josh think just because they’re part of this “elite” group called the IBLP, they are better than everyone else & they can’t do any wrong. I grew up Catholic, & I feel that same way about some Catholics. They just have this air about them that irks me. These people need to get over themselves.
@@GreatLee05 there seems to be other groups like that too. What gets into them?
@@pinkiesue849 Good question
Jim Bob is an utter jerk!
I mean, it's messed up that he blames Michelle, it's messed up that he told his friends about her private sex life, but let's not forget there is literally NOTHING WRONG with doing what she allegedly did. She's human. It's normal. Grrr fundamentalism makes me crazy the way it denies our right to be human.
Thank you, Katie. The IBLP should be closed down. Jim Bob is such a fool!
Fool and a tool
There are plenty of cult-like organizations with basically the same ideology.
It’s Wack-A-Mole for the SA’ers of the world. Shut one down, another pops up.
I have a feeling that these organizations’ time is just about up.
I hope I’m right.
No. Jim Bob is worse then a fool. Jim Bob has failed his children on the most basic levels. Let's not lose sight of the fact that it is all together possible that Josh was possibly s.a.'ed at some point in his own life. While I have no sympathy for Josh in the sense that he hurt his sisters and watched scumbags hurt innocent children I do have some in that Josh's parents are absolutely the gutter trash worse when it comes to making sure he got the help that he needed. I get that pedophiles very,very rarely stop or don't reoffend but think about this. Jim Bob thought having a child who was violated by Josh coming in to shave his head. He thought that bringing Josh back and forth to film was going to make his family look better. Jim Bob thought sending him to dig a ditch would be more helpful then say sending him to a hospital! This man has spent years climbing all over his wife and impregnanting her every flippin' time he felt the urge! I guess if you go by Jim Bob's warped logic Michelle flickin' the bean made Josh a pedophile,Jim Bob's dad being a criminal made his son a criminal,and what's next here? I guess if one of the duaghter's gets pregnant out of wedlock he can blame Deanna,right? JIm Bob's not a fool. He's an f'n liar. How else do you explain him marrying Michelle so young and claiming he fell in love with her straight away? She couldn't even remember him! Let's call this what it is,and no I don't buy that Jimbo didn't think impurely or do anything with little Jimbo,Jim Bob's pants got tight the first time he saw Michelle and he talked a simple,young woman into thinking this is what she wanted. It's just tragic that in all of this Michelle didn't realize that he husband had thrown her under the bus and backed up over her metophorical corpse!
Josh needs to be in jail for life. They are legitimately the most hypocritical people I’ve ever seen. With the exception of Jill and Jinger of course. And Anna isn’t going to fix him, jail won’t either. But at least he can’t hurt anyone there. And Anna needs to divorce him and actually get a job and raise her kids.
Amen!
Tbf it’s very common to witness this hypocrisy amongst conservative Christians
He should never be released as he thinks he’s done nothing wrong. He’s accepted no responsibility for what he has done. He’s a sick POS.
He needs to be under the jail.
R Kelly was just sentenced to 20 years for the same thing.
I’m pretty sure Josh being prideful was definitely inherited from his father….
Geez, so it's the wife's fault if the husband goes astray and the mother's fault if the son also goes astray.
Crazy as f huh
We all know bad behavior could never be Jimbo's or Joshy boy's fault.
In most cults its always the woman's fault no matter
It's also intensely stupid! Jim Bob and Michelle married pretty young and if you believe the crap he's spewing then what does that say about him as a husband and a partner? "My wife self pleasured and I never did so now I have no idea what I'm doing and my wife has to do that to herself because I can't satisfy her."? Remember how Michelle claimed she was not just available to Jim Bob but joyfully available? That says so much about Jim Bob's prowess in the bedroom because if she actually enjoyed sex with him she wouldn't have to just be joyfully available to him. She would be a happy,contended woman who would advice women to explore their bodies,with their spouse/partner,or by themselves, to figure out what makes them feel good so they could tell their husbands,partner or spouses how to please them.
I'm standing by my belief that Jim Bob is hiding something huge and when it hits the fan, I'm gonna laugh
I agree with you.
I’ve been saying this for years!
Maybe cry because the huge thing will involve the violation and suffering of others.
Won’t that be interesting!
I think JB learned the bad stuff from his daddy and taught it to too
In my experience there are two sorts of men, men who admit they please themselves, and liars
It's normal for a male (and many females) to pleasure themselves. It's normal behavior but Jim Bob is turning it into something perverted.
I AGREE 100%! I was thinking that very same thing, when I heard what Katie said! Also, it has been proven that even babies touch themselves, and they do not remember doing it, because they were babies/toddlers! So, he has done it, whether or not, he admits it! I swear that this jerk has a God complex! He acts like he is so pure & righteous and he is NOT! He is a manipulative liar!
@@naughtyauttie I agree! Come to find out, him & Michelle kissed(and God knows what else) before they married. Hypocrite!
Oh my gosh!! He blamed Michelle!?! What a louse. I thought I couldn't dislike JimBob any more, but I was wrong.
He's cult to the max delusional makes S up as he goes along. That statement stupid belief would mean all of his children are cursed to be the same right ? Yep Michelle birthed all of them through her wicked vessel dumb dumb
I never thought I’d feel sorry for Michelle, but sheesh! I’m feeling strong second hand embarrassment for her! 😳
Me too! If my husband would have told his friends something that private about me, I would have walked.
I feel sympathy for her because she has a husband who tossed her under the buss and backed up over her but otherwise I have none. Jim Bob can point the finger wherever he wants but he might want to invest in a mirror because he did nothing to help his children and I do not buy for a second he never had struggles with lust or self pleasing. A human is not going to not feel urges and I think Jim Bob is lying his butt off.
He's a piece of something
She’s just as bad as he is she made her bed now she can lay in it
@@dawnclark4635 who did Jim Bob expose Josh to, that may have molested him as a young child??
The more I hear about this family the more I am not surprised at anything I hear!
I really don't think it's his head that needed to be shaved... More neutered for him 😊
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I feel more sorry for Anna than I ever have. This story is sickening. Imagine the betrayal and lack of concern for her by everyone in her life, including her father, husband, and church. She was just a thing to be used by everyone involved for their own motives. Now, she's in the position of betraying herself and her children. TLC is awful and should be held accountable for their part in this mess. So many people are damaged. It's disgusting.
@@cj2130 you seem to forget at what age Joshua committed these last crimes. Hardly at an age to be innocent, or a victim to feel sorry for. He knew exactly what he was doing and that he was wrong!! He already had numerous children of his own.
Well said and absolutely TLC is at the VERY least complicit.
Yall are crazy. Sorry for anna and josh??? You are just as demented then.
I will agree with you to an extent. I would imagine that when she was a young adult, coming from a home with like seven or eight children, getting a taste of minor celebrity lifestyle would have been intoxicating to her. People were interested in her. People were asking her questions about her hopes and dreams. People thought that she was such a role model. And likely, that was the first time she’s ever felt that, and it was probably addicting. She was small-town royalty. But… At some point, you have to be responsible for your own life, your own future, your own choices, and your own family. Anna is in her 30s now and she has seven children to think about. She can’t play coy and act like she’s just a little innocent Sunday school girl, and that everyone should love her. She needs to put her kids first and get them away from there, even if that means staying in a shelter, or going to live with a relative or having no money for a while. The best thing she can do for her children is to get them as far away from Joshua and his enablers as she possibly can.
Once again this just shows how little women mean to this group. It's about megalomaniac men and women are just property or pawns for the men to trade like baseball cards!!!! 😡😡😡
I wonder if Josh Duggar himself is a victim of SA as a child?
I hear JB's father was a creep.
It's very likely. Cycles of abuse and depravity are very common.
More than likely
I’m wondering about that too.
Yes, it is starting to seem highly likely :(
Last I checked, the father is the role model for sons who learn what behavior is acceptable by watching an emulating what they see.
@@brendaboze7878 my feelings exactly. From the very beginning of this entire ordeal, like when the show first started, I always thought the dad would be the one who these accusations would come out about. When it was the brother I still wasn't surprised but it just made me worry more about the dad.
I think he may have been in on it when the girls were too young to remember or did it to Josh.
I may be way wrong but I have a sick feeling im not too far off.
All that kissing he did on the show just showed the kids what Was On his mind 247. He's at fault, more than anyone else.
And those kids heard the nightly submission of Michelle to Jim Bob....in that small house I am sure that had an effect...
@Indigo Brooklyn I always-got a sick feeling in the pit of my st
@Indigo Brooklyn I always-got a sick feeling in the pit of my st
IMO She should have stuck to pleasing herself...she never ended up pregnant 20 times doing that. Simply ridiculous!
Amen!!
There is nothing wrong with having a huge family if that’s what you want.
but saying there's too many children is like saying there's too many flowers (Michelle's words)
@@VelveteenRabbit77 that’s what jb and meech wanted and everything went wrong. You cannot meet the psychological needs of all those kids, period.
Lol!!
Go back and watch the video where Josh proposes to Anna. Watch her reaction. She leans away from him when he asks and leans away from him whilst sitting next to him. Body language says everything!
I was watching some behavior specialist on RUclips and I think they were trying to show signs of Josh's personality even back then. So they did a response to his marriage proposal to Anna. And even they were shocked. They were like "look at her body language, she is not happy about this" they just kept pointing out an awkward smile or movement and how she kept kind of wanting to pull her body away from him. I remember thinking that I of course didn't notice it at the time, but how now it does really seem off and out of place for sure.
I know, I always thought that was concerning. She looked like she had just been given a sentence of life in prison and had to act like she was happy about it because it was what he parents wanted. Her parents essentially sold Anna into slavery.
That episode was creepy af!
I'm sure shaving Josh's head just exacerbated his existing issues. It definitely wasn't going to help. It probably was humiliating for him. He needed professional help. It's so sad they never sent him to a professional counselor for his issues. He likely was a SA victim himself.
I agree.
100%. This is a learned behavior.
I think you are correct about him being a victim and it probably started when he was very very young.
I completely agree.
Indeed
TLC is so tied into the Duggars despicable web of lies all these years! 😡
@@LisaKoffler twice, until they give them yet another show with a different name and make it about some other pair of daughters.
@@LisaKoffler It better not. 19 kids and counting was never really canceled... just changed the name and dropped Josh
What ever happened to the Amazon documentary about the iblp
The part I found most disturbing was the parents only caring about money and not their children. To me that is disturbing, despicable, disgusting, disheartening, and very disloyal to those who call themselves Christians. These parents in my eyes deserve to be in jail along with Josh. Their daughters deserve to have a life of their own. Jim Bob and Michelle will have to answer to all mighty for all their sins. I know understand better about Anna. Anna was used by her own father and set up to take the fall for Josh- she never had a chance and will never have a chance while married to this disgusting piece of trash Josh. Anna should be allowed to leave this family and raise her children away from this cult. These children deserve a life without Josh, Jim Bob or Michelle. Anna has siblings that have offered to help, and she should take that help.
Yes BUT? Her family is with the IBLP? So she will never escape Her Creepy husband!!!I wish someone could scoop up her and her children and hide them! But Anna is so brainwashed it will take years of therapy! Those poor children! Why have the authorities done something? I dont get it?😢😢😢
Let me get this straight. Josh got his head shaved because he was too vain? It’s a sin to take pride in your appearance, but it is okay to blame a family friend for your legal problems? It was wrong for Michelle to pleasure herself when she was a teenager because that made her first born want to download CP? Please tell me what I am missing here. Their son is in jail for CP, but they are hung up on self pleasuring yourself? I am actually beginning to feel sorry for Josh. I don’t think he ever had a chance of getting any real help; and I know Anna never had a chance. Can’t anyone in that church help
Anna get a backbone? She is supposed to forgive Josh for cheating on her, but Jim Bob is holding it against Michelle for pleasuring herself as a teen. How would he even know this? Did she have to confess it to him before they got married? I think if Jim Bob runs for office again he should add “I have never once pleasured myself” to his list of credentials.
You made me laugh. I can see it now! Jim bob for president! A man who never pleasured himself or his wife!
And he didn’t? 😂 Jim Bob thinks everyone is stupid.
As much as I am disgusted by their actions, I really hope that in her heart of hearts that Michelle knows that Josh’s actions are not her fault.
Josh has characteristics of being sexually abused himself. Further, there’s a big difference between humility and being humiliated. Sometimes, a humiliated child is so wounded inside they will dig in their heels privately, determining to “get back” at parents or other authority figures by sneakily doing more of what got them in trouble in the first place and even worse. It’s their way to feel like they are getting back some sense of power and control. The more they sent him away to dredge scummy ponds or other unsavory activities, the more resentment builds up. It’s a shame that the most critical thing people will ever do in life is raise children, but nothing is taught about how to do that well and in positive, healthy ways. Children learn what they live. And most grow up to do it all over again to their kids.
@@cj2130 they also use the strap to discipline and that’s not good.
There is something very wrong with Josh and I'm sorry but seeing a men's magazine at 8 years old,your mom pleasuring herself,and your grandpa being whatever horrible thing JIm Bob is going to claim his father was is not the reason for it. Someone did something to Josh and I'm sorry but the longer we listen and the more stories we hear the more I have to wonder,and maybe I'm wrong,but was it Jim Bob? Jimbo has been passing blame around like the joint in a circle and I'm just wondering now. DId he do something to Josh? Did someone he knows do something to Josh? He turned a blind eye to his daughters being abused by his son so I'm wondering. How much of a blind eye did Jim Bob turn to if he found out someone had touched Josh? Also this cult has big issue with victim blaming so I'm sort of curious. If Josh was victimized and confided in Jim Bob does that mean Jim Bob thought that if Josh was abused by a man that Josh was gay or something?
@@dawnclark4635 good comment. Yes josh is just weird to me. Fake as a three dollar bill. My late hubby used to watch that show with me and always said Sharon there is just something with that family that’s odd. He couldn’t put his finger on it. Why the hell would Michelle tell jb anything she did in private . I wouldn’t he uses everything she did against her. And that’s bothersome to me.
I wish he would leave that poor woman alone already. These women carry a lot of guilt on their shoulders that I truly wonder if the suicide rate is high amongst cult women,
Very well put! Agree completely!
I have said forever, I think Josh saw some perverted and degrading (to women) S3x acts between M and JB.
Not only does Josh need to be in jail, his parents need to be held accountable for their actions or lack there of!! Digging a ditch and reading the Bible doesn’t make you a Christian, and wasn’t punishment enough!! Charges should be made against the whole Cult, on behalf of all the girls and women who have been abused!! Something I noticed in the clip at the beginning, Michelle didn’t have her phoney quiet voice!!!
Maybe the child-like voice is a coping method for her.
If Josh had been charged years ago for what he did to his sisters it is all together possible that Jim Bob and Michelle could've been charged for wreckless endanagerment or parental neglect but sadly that never happened and I firmly believe that if Josh had not touched a non family member we wouldn't have heard anything about these incidents until the trial and during Josh's conviction. Jim Bob and Michelle did a first rate job of covering up Josh's crimes but they failed on two fronts. First,and most of all,protecting their daughters from him and two,figuring out what the heck happened to Josh because this stuff doesn't happen in a vaccum. Josh needed help and he didn't get it and in my mind that's on Michelle and Jim Bob.
Doesn't that breathy Marilyn Monroe baby voice drive you crazy! It does me!
@@wendi2819 it's a trick. It's supposed to convince everyone she's innocent and sweet. I'm 99% certain she doesn't actually talk to her kids like that.
@Dawn Clark if he would have real help back when he was teen he may have not reoffended. What they did was make him worse
Well.
That explains the look on Anna’s face when Josh proposed.
@@LisaKoffler I’m willing to suspend judgment on whether someone should or shouldn’t propose in a restaurant- that’s a personal choice. Balloons would definitely not be my taste-
But I was more referring to the fact that he has assaulted his sisters, and Anna’s father had been helping him recover from that-
And somehow she’s now the sacrificial lamb in this scenario- she’s going to aid in his recovery by becoming his wife.
I probably would have not have been as concerned about the setting as the fact that the guy asking was a creep- and she was being spiritually manipulated- I think that explains the “oh crap!” look on her face. She looks trapped.
She is trapped.
The only difference between Jim Bob and Josh is that Josh got caught.
Smooth move, JimBob. Blaming your wife for the weirdness you lead the family in to.
He’s a waste
@@LisaKoffler There's a distinction?
These people are so annoying… their twisted discipline and backwards beliefs screwed this kid up ( and probably countless others)… they have no one to blame but themselves. I wish they were held accountable, too! Ridiculous.
Josh got his vanity about his hair from Jim Bob! He was always fussing about his hair and spraying it in place.
I remember that in an episode
@@LisaKoffler I was referring to Jim Bob always fussing with his hair and using hair spray. It was shown on a couple shows.
So true!
You can’t tell me Jim Bob NEVER pleased himself 😂 give me a break what a jerk to blame Michelle
Old Jimbo passed jerk status decades ago.
We all agree Jim Bob lied about pleasuring himself all guys do it at some point and nothing is wrong with that. Jim Bob should have his head shaved for all the lies and none help he gave his daughters.
Even if Michelle was there, I'm sure JimBob was all about pleasing himself and not her.
Josh is responsible for his actions!
It burns me up, knowing how poorly they handled the issue and Josh... 😳
Burns me up how stupid and delusional in the name of their cult religion are. Oh and Jimmy really is a pathological liar like we already know
Josh needed help when he was younger. Counseling by a professional might have helped him. His parents are idiots. I feel bad for the sisters. I feel bad for the kids still left at home.🙁
Josh went from wearing red to orange. Good job Josh!
Did you see the clip posted from an inmate is the Texas prison system regarding Josh's recent violation with the cell phone? He is saying that because of his infraction he will eventually be transferred to a medium security prison and if he is lucky it will be one of 3 prisons that are friendly to his type of crime. He makes a big point of saying the nice days are over and reality kicks in and it will be a very rough 12 years.
I saw that, but transferring isn’t automatic. I spoke to someone whose loved one was caught with a phone and they weren’t transferred
I’d love for him to go to real prison not some prison for men who abuse children. Josh needs to be taught a lesson like old Subway Jared. Is that mean for me to say? I’m sorry men that abuse children should be gelded and stoned . Sexual child abuse is the worst form of abuse. I’ve watched a documentary on men where the men have actually said it good I got life without parole as I would do it again and again.
I guess it depends on what he was watching on that phone 🤔
@Bianca Cox oh! That kind of phone!
Hi Katie, this whole mess with Josh is the IBLP fault. Josh was told over and over how great he is. The Kellers are fools for allowing Anna to marry Josh. Anna is so brainwashed by the IBLP she will never leave Josh.
Thank you for your videos, and keeping me updated on all things Duggar.
“Nobody asked if something happened to Josh?” One of the saddest things to hear. So many youthful S.A. Have been SA by somebody else as a child. Without therapy and help , they end up like Josh. Had he gotten therapy after the first incident came to light , maybe things would be different now. Also not getting help for girls is shameful . JB and M pride definitly gave them a huge fall
Agree completely! It sure seems possible that Josh has had something done to him at or before the age of 8 (which is when he was caught with girlie magazines). You can't ignore an issue & it goes away. It gets bigger & more troublesome!
With how much Josh was basically shoved off on strangers and the way the church is, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone from the church did things to him or started much of this. :-( doesn’t excuse what he’s done but he clearly hasn’t got adequate or really any true help and it’s a bit unfair the IBLP played such a big role in denying that help.
It just keeps getting worse.
Can you imagine the humiliation of having your head shaved at that age? None of the kids got any help. Josh didn't and the girls didn't. Now all the kids - at home or out on their own - have a brother in jail and still no help for them. How to process all of the tumult in the family.
Praying josh looses his appeal
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@@LisaKoffler what do you mean by that? He either did or didn't.
Omgosh! Who the heck are these ppl?! Michelle's "sins" have absolutely nothing to do with the way Josh is/was behaving. Josh has his own free agency.....he is the ONLY one that is in control of his behavior. I feel if anyone is going to blame anyone it needs to be the parents. Jim Bob & Michelle failed to get the help that Josh needed.....sweeping it under the carpet didn't make it go away nor did it "fix" him. There is no accountability!! These ppl seriously need to get a reality check. Just so disturbing!
If JB believes that Josh's crimes are inherited, then why would they encourage him to get married and have so many children? Logic would be that all his boys would be the same. Makes no sense!
That scene in the wedding episode where JB comes in to have "the talk" is even more cringe, knowing what we know now!
Thank you for your hard work!
Jim Bob will blame anyone other than look at his own role with any of this to such a degree that it makes me wonder why he's so keen no one looks at him when wondering how josh turned out how he did....
This just makes me wonder how many other youngsters go untreated without the notoriety of a family name.
I have to laugh because I went to church with them when they went to First Baptist Springdale. I’ve known them since the late 80’s. We went to eat one Sunday at Marketplace, a favorite of most in NWA. They were there ( I think 5 maybe 6 kids then). I have 2 and my youngest was around 2 and of course acting like that. Jim Bob had the audacity to send Josh over to tell me I needed to discipline her so she could be more Godly-like has they were. I went to their table and said did you seriously send Josh over and he replied my children would grow up and not be good, abiding, respectful asset to society when they become adults 😂.
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I'm glad you confronted him. I wish you would email him now and say, how are your kids doing now? Oh! Wait! My kids are not in prison!!! I wish Katie would interview you!!! And Oprah too!!!
@@kathyglass2922 Josh was always the golden child, the rest, especially the girls were 2nd class citizens 🥺. He always appeared/acted a little cocky…our boys are about a year apart. Oh and he knows mine aren’t in prison 🥰
Wow! Because they were so "perfect" 🙄
Omg! What a narcissist a- hole
A suspicion I have about why Josh turned out this way was the way the kids got raised: authoritarian, beaten, next to no physical contact of ANY kind, caused trauma. Abuse breeds abuse.
@Lisa Koffler they treated him to be a monster.
Shaving his head was about shaming him, not fixing his pride.
Is it possible that Josh was prideful about his hair because that is an example that was set for him? I seem to remember Jim Bob talking about his hair and all of the hairspray that he used to fix it everyday.
Well, now Josh has nothing to be prideful of hair-wise, LOL! ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
The apple doesn't fall from the tree. Josh was the first born golden child and was treated as such an inherited his Dad's narcissism much like Donald Trump inherited from his father.
JB is just gross! He ACTUALLY blamed Michelle! Wow! How sad! Josh needed to get some help!!
@@megdonnelly8519Jimbo's reality check bounced a long time ago - he just doesn't know it yet.
This is insane to me!!! What the hell were these people thinking!? Baffles me every time I hear these things!
Back when the show was popular I would always argue that they couldn't possibly give their children the attention that they all needed. Not surprisingly, I was right. I can't believe people disagreed with me. They've always been a morally bankrupt couple.
Many years ago I enjoyed watching this families reality show. Then when word got out about Josh and how his parents covered up what he was doing. I feel there is no cure for Josh. His wife can't save him and it's sad that Anna has 7 of his kids. I wonder how often he may have touched his kids. I will leave it at that because it wouldn't be appropriate for me to say how I really feel. The many people who covered up Josh's wrong doings is sickening.
@@LisaKoffler I agree 1000%. So many people looked up to this family years ago including me. There are just no words. You nailed it " Born a Bad seed"
The first thing I thought of when he got busted, was I wonder if he has been messing with his own kids? It surely wouldn't be an unreasonable thought, considering this guy's issues. The really sad part is, I think if his wife walked in on him doing something with one of his own babies, I still don't think she would leave or do anything about it. Just pray on it.
I was a very avid watcher of their show too. I thought their family was so great, boy, was I completely wrong. I still love the girls tho.
Anna's parents are also to blame for this mess. Knowing what Josh did and allowing their daughter to marry him disgusting. Now she and her children are left to suffer. And Anna feels obligated to stay with him.
@@LisaKoffler Totally agree and Anna doesn't give a damn what he's done now or about protecting her children. She just wants him home.
Soooooo, JB threw Michelle under the bus. Seems legit. I don't doubt that at all.
Nevermind that JB raised his sons to be blameless and everything is the girls fault. JB is the perfect storm to have sons like Josh. Just wait. There are more.
I also find it darkly hilarious that despite the 19 kids, Jim Bob apparently isn’t pleasing her. That probably dampens his ego a bit
I don't think Jim Bob gives a fat rats butt if Michelle is satisfied or not. As long as he is.
The IBLP and other Quiverful sects teach that "front hugging" is for procreation and the pleasure of the male only. Women are not capable of, nor should they expect, pleasure. Jim Boob was under no obligation to please Michelle, but, then again, I don't think that he could please her or any woman. He is nothing but an abusive bully. He makes my skin crawl! ~ Anastacia in Cleveland
Finding out Josh was sa as a kid would definitely explain a lot along with the fact that the folks in the Duggars social and church circles being too afraid to ask about that is not unheard of. I deeply feel that the folks that know Jim Bob and Michelle pretty deeply are afraid that if they start asking questions on if Josh was assaulted as a kid, that they will be very horrified but not surprised by the answer.
Katie, I was watching a creator yesterday who gave a shoutout to you and your channel and told his followers to check out your channel! His show's specifically about prisons in Texas and he did a segment on Josh and some recent trouble he got into.
If Michelle was so tawdry and damaged why did JB marry her?
He lusted after her. She didn’t even remember meeting him.
It’s time to stop and look at TLC….the Duggars , the Roloffs, the Browns. Anyone else notice a pattern?
Don't forget Jon and Kate plus 8....
Most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in a long time that shaving a SA will ward off the proclivities. If that was the case the prisons would be empty.
What a horrible thing to say about your wife and your child.
So where would Josh have come across a " box of mens magazines" at age 8 if Jim Bob has always been " pure"?
Of course Jim Slob does not have to please himself! Shelly is "joyfully available" 24/7.
Yeah and I bet Shelly's "promiscuity" that JB now shames her for, was probably very attractive to him at the time, maybe even now, because she might do more adventurous acts for him. Men claim to want virgins, but are turned on by experienced women.
Just like how I suspect part of how Robin mesmerized Kody was with her past experience. He said he was grossed out by her "giving away her purity" lol but based on comments they've both made, including an early one about 69, he secretly loved her being experienced, unlike his other wives.
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Given the narcissistic tendencies of the parents it’s not surprising that Josh has the problems he does. He would make an interesting case study for psych grad student.
If it were due to the curiosity of a sheltered teenage boy, it likely wouldn't have followed him into adulthood. If it's a proclivity, for whatever reason, no amount of counseling is likely to "cure him" of it.
Had they gotten him professional help before the age of 18 this could have been. Turned around ..but now he is an adult it’s too late for the mind to bd fixed! Parents who think that talking to their kids about sex is hush hush and sinful are usually a part of a religious sect like the IBLP who teaches parents to not trust the school system…not trust doctors and not to trust psychologists…they do this because they are protecting “sin in the camp”…they have fostered an environment where abuse can happen easily and have a difficult time with it coming out in the open …then people like JB become such backwards thinking …it’s disgusting …I think Josh was abused and exposed to this stuff from some of the leaders in the IBLP and JB knows about it….
It is not "curiosity". Josh was taught this by someone.
Jim Bob will blame anyone but himself. I believe Josh was done wrong and Jim Bob knew.
That is awful if JB said those things about his wife wonder if she knows
JB is a nut. You can’t tell me he didn’t “self pleased” himself.
No, he had Michelle, 'always available', to scratch his itch.
Oh yes, I call total BS on that claim!
This video is so twisted. I feel bad for the children having to go through all of this.
Jimmy boy now blames Michelle for things she did as a teenager for Josh's sins 😕wow !
I'd always thought Josh was very intrigued with what was going on in mom and dad's bedroom. Cripes, with all the kids that came after him...they couldn't of been that quite all the time.
I think he saw JB s3x degrade M
WOW WOW WOW JB blames everyone else except himself. So perfect that life makes him positively inhuman.
Isn’t Jim Bob’s dad a criminal? In and out of jail? Could Josh have possibly inherited Jim Bob’s BAD genes!
Mike Keller needs to be held accountable that's sick....poor Anna did not have a say sooooo
I guess it never occurred to Jim Boob that he is just as guilty as Michelle for not getting Josh the help Josh needed. I don't think that I should be amazed as I am on the arrogance of the Duggar men.
I now wonder if someone did do something to him that triggered the spark in his brain to do it to someone else and like it. I always thought it was crazy how young he was when he got married and how fast it was. Sad to see the family wanted him to be someone else’s problem
Jim Bob was nervous around his own father did his father do something to Josh.
@@mindymerwitzer4626 I think highly possible.would explain why he's in denial about Josh..hes prob just as guilty
Absolutely tragic.
And like JB never did the same thing to himself?!?!!? Gimme a break!! If I were Michelle I'd be gone right there! Just when he can't get any lower, he blames Josh's "issues" on his mother?!!??!! WTH
The person that has a problem with pride seems to be Jim Bob! He's blaming his wife's behavior as a teen for Josh's behavior! The 2 things have nothing to do with each other! Josh had issues that needed to be dealt with in therapy, counseling, mental health care & they did nothing for Josh. Nothing! Yes, God can heal, but sometimes that healing comes through doctors, therapy, medication, whatever necessary. God created you a thinking brain. God isn't a good luck charm...you pray & it magically happens. Christians who think like this frustrate me! Bottom line: their kid needed professional help; instead of getting him help, they hid behind their religion; and they never got him help. They dropped the ball!
Humiliation never equals humility. This is a very sad story.
Wow sad. If only he had gotten help...
And how about Jim Bob throwing Michelle under the bus. What a jerk!
Wait….what this story just gets more bizarre!!
Side note, I find it interesting to watch the evolution of Michelle's wardrobe.
Thank you, Katie! Religious cults, lack of education, and resistance to professional, objective counseling/guidance certainly have a profound effect on individuals, families, and communities! How very sad! While I feel Josh is receiving appropriate punishment for his illegal, adult criminal activities, it is reprehensible that his family never sought reliable, objective cognitive-behavioral therapy administered by trained professionals, and they denied their daughters/Josh's victims much-needed psychotherapy! This has impacted so many lives, and it could have been so different if Jim Bob had valued ALL of his children instead of just Golden Boy Josh! They told everyone they shaved Josh's head to induce humility because he was too prideful--I think Jim Bob described himself!!
I knew bits of this information but you provided more detail of this family's backstory. Good job.
I was watching counting on yesterday and Anna had said that Josh sat her and her parents down to tell them what he did and she said she knew when she married him… why would her parents have allowed their daughter and encouraged their daughter to be with someone who has done this is what I don’t understand. Or how she thought it was forgivable
Apparently Michelle has always been “joyfully available” 😂