Hopefully my bike now that i own & have custom built by my very own hands from the multiple decades & knowledge in experience that i have acquired during the past 50+ years in my biking endeavours i know in me that my bike a custom just over £5k build that i have will be my now & forever bike not forgetting "fandangled" new upgrades every now & again...,im not a professional bike rider but a well experienced life long bike rider who started out late 60's early 70's till present day May 2024....
I find Federico a joy to listen to,he makes a lot of salient points and discusses them with dignity and class.....Durianrider on the other hand is just objective for objective's sake,lacks class,dignity......and quite frankly bores the bloody ass off me.
Ride by feel → precisely. 8:32 : speaking about aesthetic of modern bike: I somehow fancy the exposed cables alla Specialized Æthos, the older Giant TCR, your Canyon Ultimate → it’s the ‘Sprezzatura’ of stylish cycling 😉
Great video! For me, the feel is everything. I am fortunate to embrace cycling at an age that takes out any competitive aspirations out of the picture.. so I am not bothered with “marginal this and that”. I do have a Giant defy 4 allux I bought in 2016, sora group, over time as stuff needed replacement I upgraded it to 105 r7000’s, fulcrum racing zeros, tpu tubes and it is now a sub 7kg rim brake bike. I love it! External cables, dead easy to work on too. Now before upgrading it, did the mistake of buying a ribble aero this and that, disc brakes and all the faf. Sold it in no time. Way more fun on the defy! So yeah, whilst average speeds on the defy are lower than ribble or even my cube e-bike, I feel like Pantone up a climb! I feel fast, I feel alive. And that’s all that matters to me! 😅 As for the carbon.. not a fan of it.. steel or allux for me😅
I actively ride both disc and rim every other day. I love both. The latest version of rim brakes accommodates 23c - 28c tyres. I just wished there would be a next generation of rim brakes where it caters 28c - 32c tyres. I mean solid performing brakes from Dura Ace or something. -Not those V-brakes or cantilevers that never worked!
Rival22, Force22. 105 R7000, Ultegra R8000, R8050 Di2 DuraAce R9100 and R9150 Di2, Force AXS and Red AXS rim brake. All these rim brake calipers can take 28-32mm tyres. Not tried Red22, Red eTap and DuraAce R9000 myself with wider tyres, so no comment on that, but everything else mentioned, I personally owned them and rode them with wide tyres. Currently running 32mm Panaracer slicks with old Rival 10 speed silver calipers on my oldest owned bike (10 years?) a Peugeot steel frame and lots of silver bits and full stainless mudguards, stainless front rack, matchy matchy lol) and a polished Rival 22 groupset. Also, running 30mm Conti 5000's on a 2017 Specialized Allez Sprint with Force AXS 12s and standard Force AXS rim brake calipers, which can take wider tyres but the frame restricts tyre size to 30mm. Plenty of choice there bud.
Rim brakes are beautiful and light. The problem is that if you're a climber, descending is hell. You really need perfect weather conditions to feel safe. I ended up switching my beautiful SL6 rim brakes for an aethos. I was always scared to go out with my rim brakes when the weather was uncertain. Cheers from Switzerland!
Yes, I am cautious when going for a long ride and I do check the weather anxiously. The latest Hyper R45 wheels have a fantastic brake track with carved cuts and they are very efficient in the wet. Not ideal still.
Yo! Sweet video as always! I am literally living that "example of Ferrari you speak of". With my Colnago C40! I have her kitted out with mechanical Campy 11 speed, with aero handlebar, wheels, modern tires, etc. On paper, she is less stiff and slightly less aero. The tubing however is very petite compared to modern frames. I recently was in my local training crit that I have been doing for 10 years and got the KOM... again. This time, witha record average of 28.8mph for 34 miles! The C40 definitely has this new concept manufacturers are addressing... compliance.
i owned an aeroad cf slx and at the same time an ultimate cf slx(both disc) the aeroad was consequent between 1 and 2km/h average faster then the ultimate for the same power, even on shallow climbs, so after a while i only did ride the ultimate when i went on holidays in the big mountains. at this moment i own a sl7 and a sl8, but the difference between them is really minimal exept the weight(the sl7 is 7.2kg complete and the sl8 is 6.7kg complete) and i really both love them. keep up the good work greetings from belgium
5:04 Funny enough, I actually remember watching this guy's videos (I think he lived in Hawaii?) in 2020, when I was looking to buy my first proper road bike. I ended up getting a disc brake 105 Ultimate anyway, so I guess he didn't convince me 😅
Yep feel is important to me. I got my current Orbea Orca from Cycle Exchange, and it was great that I could ride it before I bought it. Great video and effort. Glad i didn’t need to try to keep up at 50kph 😅
I have a Pinarello Prince SL from 2005 or so. Onda stays and fork. I love how it feels. (edit: I think a big part is the 10--speed Campy record, every shift is pure joy).
@@tommyfreckmann6857 i've put 600 / the old owner didn't ride it for 15 years and when he did it was just sunday coffee rides in Italy so it is in amazing condition
The big problem with newer bikes are all the custom parts that will only fit on that specific bike. If I buy a new Endurace I can’t swap out the stem. When I’m in shape I use a 120mm stem and not the standard 100 mm.
Hi Federico, I'm so glad your video has caught on (I'm from Sydney and a Nero show regular). I think each to their own, however your ride on feel video was very refreshing vs so many bike "reviews" that are basically a read of a spec sheet with with some B roll for good measure. Keep up the great work with your channel. I look forward to the feeling of every weekend ride I can get on my Colnago C50.
I got the Ultimate slx 9 di 2 and used it on Gran Canaria for 2 weeks this winter but last week I also purchased an outlet Aeroad CFR with the now old etap axe and what difference do I feel on these 2 bikes. After having been riding 2 days on the abroad the ultimate feels like Porsche sportswear and is absolute to me the one I will choose for climbing but the disc brakes are not nessescary here in Denmark but I liked them very much on Gran Canaria and feel very secure. The Aeroad feels like a big AMG Benz - you will get surprised how fast you go and for me it will be the choice for the flats. I added ceramic coate bearings on drivetrain and pulleys and not sure how much I gain but the feeling of it encourages me to go faster just for the fun of it. Friday it was quit windy when I went on the abroad but surprisingly the almost 1700 gramm DTswiss 62 mm performed very well they were like not affected by the wind. I never tried such a deep rim height and reflecting if there is a sweetspotweight for an aerowheel. You can get the Arthech 6 from Scope and save 450 gramm weight but in the windconditions I rided the other day would they have just as well as the more heavy DTswiss that came with the bike. I will definitely bring the Ultimate to Gran Canaria next winter and use it for my hilly trips in Denmark and the Aeroad for the flats.
Nicely explained and the Porsche vs AMG example is quite correct. I tried both for work on the road and the track and I can understand what you are referring to. The Porsche feels like an extension of your body, same as my Ultimate rim. The big AMGs are very powerful, but you have a less direct feeling from the steering and the chassis, more plush feeling.
Feeling is emotion, and emotion is also placebo, and that itself is the most expensive upgrade. That’s why the main goal of industry marketing is to switch off critical thinking and everything else leaving just feelings and emotions.
unless you're cycling for a living... then i submit that how you feel on a bike, and how it feels to you, is more important than any clinical metrics you can produce.
Nonsense. The bike industry markets their products like every other industry. The buying decision is governed by how individuals approach it - emotion versus rational consideration. Test rides should be more available or at least the ability to hand a bike back in 14 days if you don’t like (which is in fact U.K. law - even though bike retailers like to pretend it isn’t). Let’s face it - you go into a bike shop, and the staff aren’t generally the sharpest tools in the shed…
Most new comers at the beginning don’t like their bikes and get tired very quickly, so ~ 80% bikes would be returned back, and this way all commercial industry would collapse. Only when people get conditioned and adjust their bodies and minds to the bike, they start enjoying riding bike more and more.
The problem is that when you buy a new bike on the back of the emotions that they sold you on paper, but then you don't find the same feelings when you actually ride the bike you bought!
That is their goal! Not fully satisfied customer after spending 5K € is a good customer, because he starts buying extra wheels, extra chainrings, extra tires, extra etc… Only very few people are smart enough to realise that simple bike for 1300 € total would have given to them essentially exactly the same.
Looking fit Frederico. I got 2015 Tarmac, head alloy wheels and DT swiss hubs, 105 groupo. bike rides like it's on rails and so nimble, built for speed. Niboli Bike. lol
When I bought a disc brake bike in 2020, I was a little disappointed by the ride feel - but I’ve narrowed most of the difference down to OEM wheels. A nice set of Mavic carbon wheels and the bike was transformed.
I got a new bike in 2022 from Simga sports a green Bianchi with dise brakes not d12 it’s all I need good frame great make love it, the only upgrade I have done is new Vel wheels all good… love your RUclips channel….🙏🏿
When I bought a new bike a couple of years back, I whittled the choice down to a Scott and a Cannondale. Scott let me try the bike for a week, Cannondale didn't let me have any trial at all. Guess which bike I bought?
I would say the feel is important to me but not in the way you've described. I'm not concerned so much about the bike's snappiness or responsiveness on climbs or sprints. But I want to feel fast and comfortable, 'effortlessly' smashing kilometres, enjoying views and the feel of speed. It is very hard to predict beforehand how I will feel with a new bike, though. Especially when this is at the same time a new type of bike. I switched last summer from an old mtb-styled touring bike to a gravel bike. Aside from limitations implied on me by my budget, this was a highly blind purchase. Still, when one finds by try-and-error the right bike for him or herself, then sticking to numbers (frame's geometry) when buying a new bike of the same type may be the way to go.
I think on a none pro level this also applies to your own performance metrics. Initially I was too focused on average speed, bpm, power, and so on. It kind of ruined the experience of riding my roadbike for me. Once I stepped down on the numbers and also started to ride by feeling while listening to my body I found it much more enjoyable. Improvement then came naturally.
Nice video as usual, so many cyclists around! Waiting for the bike delivery and curious to compare feelings 👌 According to many other people the new bike feels awesome and super fast 😅
I only ride on feel.. maybe I’m not getting most out of my abilities, but I’m getting the most out of my personal experience. I’ve ridden and owned many different bikes but for me, I love a "superbike" nothings feels better than a stiff bike!
Posers are essential to the bike ecosystem, where else are we going to find fancy used bikes. For a start it depends on so many things. Just because they poser bike may be a bit lighter won’t necessarily make them faster. At the end of the day it’s the one pushing the pedals that makes the difference .
It's hilarious watching the big cycling channels just now address the issue of insanely priced, heavy disc brake bikes and the suffering bike market. I hate to see companies fail, but I love to see them going through periods of correction.
Great video there’s far too much marketing hype & to be honest I’m fed up with it all. Nowadays you can’t even get a good test ride out of a store to make a decision on which bike to purchase. It’s very important about the feeling as you say keep up the good work Fede 👍🏽
I love the feel of all four of my road bikes, still have my 2012 Cannondale super 6 which I used in Mallorca last October , but just purchased the latest Canyon Aeroad and the feeling on that is next level. 1st the geometry positions you to be more aero on the bike but surprisingly very comfortable and the 2nd it just wants to go faster, holds the speed better and accelerates with ease. But discussing feel or performance, there is a 3rd and that is looks?
I agree with you on the Aeroad, comfortable, aero and fast. Maybe not so quick to accelerate though. But I tried the CF SLX, not the CFR. Looks can be subjective, but newer bikes look really nice and modern
@@fede1275 I have the CF SLX and on the 2 chain gangs I’ve done so far on the Aeroad, it’s response on closing down gaps felt quick, one thing I would note is the front end is twitchy(more lively) compared to the other bikes I have. Not tried it out in the Peak District yet to see if there’s any difference between my 6.8kg super6 evo a kg lighter, but I’m more of a punchy rider than a climber so would I notice?
And on looks, if you look good you feel good. Most importantly enjoy riding your bike, have adventures, enjoy the outdoors and I think more importantly enjoy the company you surround yourself with.
@@mattalcock154 you will definitely notice the weight on the climb, but yes, it will feel great everywhere else. I did not find the front end twitchy, but I believe on some sizes the stem is too short for me. Maybe you have longer stems on the other bikes
Awesome you were featured on Chris's channel wow.. stick with the bike you like not what the media and peer pressure tell you you need buddy.. I had carbon bikes with disc etc and went back to steel framed bikes, Campy rim brake and mechanical love them. I do still own a disc bike for winter which is titanium and that's great to but carbon just doesn't do it for me but that's just what I like and that's ok :) Pete
Imagine this topic talking about cars, no one buys a car just by looking at the data provided by the manufacturer. You have to test drive the car and picture yourself driving the car for years to come and how does that feel. All new bikes are stiffer and faster according to the brands but theyre the oned trying to make us buy new bikes. So have youre own opinion and dont let the media tell you wich bike you need. Great video!
"Feel" absolutely!! So-called "facts" are _not_ enough. I don't give a *bleep about being faster than anyone else. I ride on my own for general fitness & entertainment.
If you don’t like it you won’t ride it as much. If you find a bike you love you’ll not only ride it more, you’ll never get rid of it! I’ll ride my Scultura till I die!
I find more joy riding my 19 year old Trek with 23mm tyres and rims brakes as I do my modern bike with 32mm tyres, aero this and that, DI2 and disc brakes. Given the choice I'd choose it every time. Why?... Because It feels real. It's fun, fast, nimble and comfortable. The feel of a well tuned mechanical bike is satisfying too. If the bike feels good then so do I. That's all that matters right?!
I think this video is well made and has some great opinions, which I believe everything boils down to one of them from the guy you like, saying: "I just wanna ride fast uphills, I don't want to go fast downhills or flats" In my case, I'll always push towards the biggest chainring and aero everything because I don't care about riding fast uphills, this doesn't bring me any joy, I just wanna ride fast on flats and downhills. You on the other hand if you like the kick/response that you get from the rim brake when you sprint and overall being agile I believe is it the case you like more flats and downhills?
I also love to push 53-11 on the flat or downhill, but I always thought going uphill is the most challenging part and this is where I need to have a bike that helps me. I can live with less aero for the flats, I can still be reasonably fast
I have a rim brake aero bike, I always liked the look of aero bikes think they look wicked. So brought my bike on looks haha But the newer aero bikes do not look half as aggressive as the old rim brake ones. Look at the rim brake venge vias looked crazy good when you had the disk vias it just did not look as good. I like the feel of my bike I don't want it to be comfortable I like feeling the road buzz, makes it feel like your flying along, I don't want to "float" across the road. Problem is if I did want to go modern and get a bike of similar spec now I would have to spend £5 grand, and proberbly a divorce too...
If the bike fits properly and you are fit and fresh, all bikes feel great (especially if you are riding stronger than the people around you). I have rim, disc, steel, carbon road bikes all with different tyres etc. it’s 99% the rider determines how well the bike rides.
Certainly the same for me, all about the FEEL. Having owned 50 or so bikes over the decade, most young bloods would be surprised to hear I found that FEEL on an aluminium frame. Shocking, right?
Been through several bikes over the last 25 years. I also feel the greatness of aluminum and steel. Currently have 3 bikes steel, carbon, and aluminum.
While feel is important to me - I'm with Jesse on this topic. I never actually experienced the 'feel' of my bike until I'd paid for and received it! I don't think 'feel' is a factor that determines a purchase, since it can only be experienced after the money has been spent. There are some privileged few who get a test ride or review bike, but the rest of us have to go on recommendations, looks, budget and performance figures from the manufacturer's website. After that, we get used to the bike and just tell ourselves it feels great, because who wants to spend all that money and live with regret because their bike doesn't feel great?!
My last bike purchase was like this, I had an alum 06 rim bike Felt and was ready for a new bike, first I wanted carbon and hydro disc then I found the least expensive bikes that fit that and ended up with the Canyon Endurace mainly because it checked the boxes for the price and not because any performance numbers, I also like being the outsider because I don't like the elitism in the road bike world and Canyons kinda get the elite riders mad because they think you are destroying the bike industry.😂 In the end I love my Canyon and to be honest any new carbon bike would feel better than my old bike so my new bike felt awesome but I haven't ridden any other road bike in the modern era so what would I know except the #1 performance upgrade you can do is fitness, everything else is marginal. I can hold my own against the other local riders on strava with bikes 4x's the cost of my bike and when they see that it makes their blood boil. Aloha 🤙
I have a canyon ultimate witb Sram axs but recently i bought a cannondale super 6 hi mod 2012. Rim brakes and mechanical sram red. Now i am selling off my canyon.
Feel🤔 I have just upgraded from a tarmac Sworks sl3, (rim brake) that I have owned for ten years To a tarmac sl7 (disc brake di2). The biggest difference between the two bikes is the tyre width & the disc brake. The 28mm tyre on a 21 mm wheel has a massive difference in comfort Which means you come back from longer rides feeling much fresher & less beaten up, The disc brake has a 40% improvement in braking in my opinion, Less fatigue in the hands on longer down hills, That being said all of theses new bikes Are so ridiculously overpriced the bike industry is literally gonna to kill itself. My first bike was a Planet X pro carbon rim brake bike with sram red (7.2kg) the best value for money bike you can buy if your new to road cycling.
I never got to ride my bikes before buying so it’s always based on numbers and what reviewers have felt. It would be nice if you could try all bikes before buying but that’s just not the industry norm
To be honest, can anyone really tell differences between different bikes? If it were possible to ride blindfolded, how many could tell which was which? I think marketing counts for 99% of influence. Then factor in for a lot of peope it's very difficult to actually test ride bikes before purchase - my Canyon as an example was bought online as all were back in the day - so for most I think it's specification and weight and of course cost which make decisions.
Well at least you can tell the difference between bike categories, aero/lightweight and definitely rim/discs, at least for me. Then the spec is of course important, especially wheels and tyres.
Questa cosa che "la gamba e' tutto" mi ha sempre dato fastidio. Tra il salire al 10% con una bici da 7Kg e con una da 10Kg c'e' un mondo, che c'entra la gamba il quel caso? Mah...
If it's not about the feel then you are falling into the marketing tactics! These companies selling bikes are here for one thing - your hard earned cash
In agreement with you Fred that you definitely gotta put your bum on the seat & test ride whichever bike that yiur going to buy either brand new or secondhand..,me personally being 57 yrs old & been riding bike's since before the dinosaurs i find that i gotta be absolutely dialled into a bike to make sure everything suits me..., i have riden many bikes over the yrs & during that time i have found everything that i like don't like from loads of bikes that i have owned throughout the years that's why for the past almost 6 yrs i have had my now bike which i built myself as its everything i want in a bike which consist of a full Merida 4000 disc frame set in size 56cm that i was lucky to get with it a 440mm CW carbon handlebars, a 380mm carbon aero seat post which i added a Specialized S-Works Romin II 3D carbon printed saddle, it's all internal cables & my groupset was the Ultegra 8020 hydraulic 11 speed mechanical groupset of choice which i recently upgraded to 105 Di2 12 speed full groupset..,kept my 50mm Prime Black Edition carbon rims thats layered in with Tpu tubes all wrapped up in 28mm Continental Gp5000s black chilli compound clincher race tires & last but not least PD-R8000 peddles..., Fred, my bike is a gem & it's took me years to figger out exactly my preference in bike comfort, feel etc & out of all the bike that I have owned, tested or otherwise hand on heart the above mentioned bike that i now own will be with me till i die give or take the added new "fandangled" upgrade that will be a must but to answer your question brother the feel of whatever bike a individual is gonna go for it's imperative that comfort should be a main factor as upgrades etc is secondary..., as always Fred excellent video in deep dive information for all us mare mortals brother & as for content always a gold star✨...,never stop what your doing Fred as its always a pleasure to view & follow you in your continued bike endeavours...,top fella 👊🏾👍🏾
Hats off to the guy who's had his bike 8 years, i'd like more people to keep their bike that long.
7 years and counting here
Hopefully my bike now that i own & have custom built by my very own hands from the multiple decades & knowledge in experience that i have acquired during the past 50+ years in my biking endeavours i know in me that my bike a custom just over £5k build that i have will be my now & forever bike not forgetting "fandangled" new upgrades every now & again...,im not a professional bike rider but a well experienced life long bike rider who started out late 60's early 70's till present day May 2024....
Same bike since 1996. I recently met a woman who was still riding the bike she bought in 1982, with the first pay from her first job.
Federico and Durianrider collaboration, I await with bated breath....😉
I find Federico a joy to listen to,he makes a lot of salient points and discusses them with dignity and class.....Durianrider on the other hand is just objective for objective's sake,lacks class,dignity......and quite frankly bores the bloody ass off me.
Ride by feel → precisely. 8:32 : speaking about aesthetic of modern bike: I somehow fancy the exposed cables alla Specialized Æthos, the older Giant TCR, your Canyon Ultimate → it’s the ‘Sprezzatura’ of stylish cycling 😉
Good point, like when a perfectly matched pocket hankie is not a good look on a suit, but you need something to break the conformity
Great video!
For me, the feel is everything. I am fortunate to embrace cycling at an age that takes out any competitive aspirations out of the picture.. so I am not bothered with “marginal this and that”. I do have a Giant defy 4 allux I bought in 2016, sora group, over time as stuff needed replacement I upgraded it to 105 r7000’s, fulcrum racing zeros, tpu tubes and it is now a sub 7kg rim brake bike. I love it! External cables, dead easy to work on too.
Now before upgrading it, did the mistake of buying a ribble aero this and that, disc brakes and all the faf. Sold it in no time. Way more fun on the defy!
So yeah, whilst average speeds on the defy are lower than ribble or even my cube e-bike, I feel like Pantone up a climb! I feel fast, I feel alive. And that’s all that matters to me! 😅
As for the carbon.. not a fan of it.. steel or allux for me😅
Great weight for your Giant!
I actively ride both disc and rim every other day. I love both.
The latest version of rim brakes accommodates 23c - 28c tyres. I just wished there would be a next generation of rim brakes where it caters 28c - 32c tyres.
I mean solid performing brakes from Dura Ace or something. -Not those V-brakes or cantilevers that never worked!
Rim brakes always worked well even on the least expensive bikes.
@@tongotongo3143 they sure do. But if there’s one thing they are bad at is limited choice of tyres size selection.
Rival22, Force22. 105 R7000, Ultegra R8000, R8050 Di2 DuraAce R9100 and R9150 Di2, Force AXS and Red AXS rim brake. All these rim brake calipers can take 28-32mm tyres. Not tried Red22, Red eTap and DuraAce R9000 myself with wider tyres, so no comment on that, but everything else mentioned, I personally owned them and rode them with wide tyres.
Currently running 32mm Panaracer slicks with old Rival 10 speed silver calipers on my oldest owned bike (10 years?) a Peugeot steel frame and lots of silver bits and full stainless mudguards, stainless front rack, matchy matchy lol) and a polished Rival 22 groupset.
Also, running 30mm Conti 5000's on a 2017 Specialized Allez Sprint with Force AXS 12s and standard Force AXS rim brake calipers, which can take wider tyres but the frame restricts tyre size to 30mm. Plenty of choice there bud.
Rim brakes are beautiful and light. The problem is that if you're a climber, descending is hell. You really need perfect weather conditions to feel safe. I ended up switching my beautiful SL6 rim brakes for an aethos. I was always scared to go out with my rim brakes when the weather was uncertain. Cheers from Switzerland!
Yes, I am cautious when going for a long ride and I do check the weather anxiously. The latest Hyper R45 wheels have a fantastic brake track with carved cuts and they are very efficient in the wet. Not ideal still.
Yo! Sweet video as always! I am literally living that "example of Ferrari you speak of". With my Colnago C40! I have her kitted out with mechanical Campy 11 speed, with aero handlebar, wheels, modern tires, etc. On paper, she is less stiff and slightly less aero. The tubing however is very petite compared to modern frames. I recently was in my local training crit that I have been doing for 10 years and got the KOM... again. This time, witha record average of 28.8mph for 34 miles! The C40 definitely has this new concept manufacturers are addressing... compliance.
Well done!!
i owned an aeroad cf slx and at the same time an ultimate cf slx(both disc) the aeroad was consequent between 1 and 2km/h average faster then the ultimate for the same power, even on shallow climbs, so after a while i only did ride the ultimate when i went on holidays in the big mountains.
at this moment i own a sl7 and a sl8, but the difference between them is really minimal exept the weight(the sl7 is 7.2kg complete and the sl8 is 6.7kg complete) and i really both love them.
keep up the good work greetings from belgium
Yes, it sounds right. Between the Aeroad and Ultimate both discs I would go Aeroad, as I said. Keeping the rim Ultimate for bigger differentiation.
5:04 Funny enough, I actually remember watching this guy's videos (I think he lived in Hawaii?) in 2020, when I was looking to buy my first proper road bike. I ended up getting a disc brake 105 Ultimate anyway, so I guess he didn't convince me 😅
It worked for me, I went Ultimate rim and I am now stuck!
Yep feel is important to me. I got my current Orbea Orca from Cycle Exchange, and it was great that I could ride it before I bought it. Great video and effort. Glad i didn’t need to try to keep up at 50kph 😅
I have a Pinarello Prince SL from 2005 or so. Onda stays and fork. I love how it feels. (edit: I think a big part is the 10--speed Campy record, every shift is pure joy).
How many miles on it?
@@tommyfreckmann6857 i've put 600 / the old owner didn't ride it for 15 years and when he did it was just sunday coffee rides in Italy so it is in amazing condition
Good video 👍 I enjoy your honest opinions. Keep up the great content
The big problem with newer bikes are all the custom parts that will only fit on that specific bike. If I buy a new Endurace I can’t swap out the stem. When I’m in shape I use a 120mm stem and not the standard 100 mm.
That is another drawback of the integration at all costs. Ugly exposed cables...
Hi Federico, I'm so glad your video has caught on (I'm from Sydney and a Nero show regular). I think each to their own, however your ride on feel video was very refreshing vs so many bike "reviews" that are basically a read of a spec sheet with with some B roll for good measure. Keep up the great work with your channel. I look forward to the feeling of every weekend ride I can get on my Colnago C50.
Thank you!!
👍Yes the ultimate is fun with hills and sharp turns going up and down in speed and it just follow you there and the aeroad a highspeed killertrain
Indeed!!
You, Jesse and Harley are on the same wavelength.
I got the Ultimate slx 9 di 2 and used it on Gran Canaria for 2 weeks this winter but last week I also purchased an outlet Aeroad CFR with the now old etap axe and what difference do I feel on these 2 bikes. After having been riding 2 days on the abroad the ultimate feels like Porsche sportswear and is absolute to me the one I will choose for climbing but the disc brakes are not nessescary here in Denmark but I liked them very much on Gran Canaria and feel very secure. The Aeroad feels like a big AMG Benz - you will get surprised how fast you go and for me it will be the choice for the flats. I added ceramic coate bearings on drivetrain and pulleys and not sure how much I gain but the feeling of it encourages me to go faster just for the fun of it. Friday it was quit windy when I went on the abroad but surprisingly the almost 1700 gramm DTswiss 62 mm performed very well they were like not affected by the wind. I never tried such a deep rim height and reflecting if there is a sweetspotweight for an aerowheel. You can get the Arthech 6 from Scope and save 450 gramm weight but in the windconditions I rided the other day would they have just as well as the more heavy DTswiss that came with the bike. I will definitely bring the Ultimate to Gran Canaria next winter and use it for my hilly trips in Denmark and the Aeroad for the flats.
Nicely explained and the Porsche vs AMG example is quite correct. I tried both for work on the road and the track and I can understand what you are referring to. The Porsche feels like an extension of your body, same as my Ultimate rim. The big AMGs are very powerful, but you have a less direct feeling from the steering and the chassis, more plush feeling.
Feeling is emotion, and emotion is also placebo, and that itself is the most expensive upgrade. That’s why the main goal of industry marketing is to switch off critical thinking and everything else leaving just feelings and emotions.
unless you're cycling for a living... then i submit that how you feel on a bike, and how it feels to you, is more important than any clinical metrics you can produce.
Nonsense.
The bike industry markets their products like every other industry.
The buying decision is governed by how individuals approach it - emotion versus rational consideration.
Test rides should be more available or at least the ability to hand a bike back in 14 days if you don’t like (which is in fact U.K. law - even though bike retailers like to pretend it isn’t).
Let’s face it - you go into a bike shop, and the staff aren’t generally the sharpest tools in the shed…
Most new comers at the beginning don’t like their bikes and get tired very quickly, so ~ 80% bikes would be returned back, and this way all commercial industry would collapse. Only when people get conditioned and adjust their bodies and minds to the bike, they start enjoying riding bike more and more.
The problem is that when you buy a new bike on the back of the emotions that they sold you on paper, but then you don't find the same feelings when you actually ride the bike you bought!
That is their goal! Not fully satisfied customer after spending 5K € is a good customer, because he starts buying extra wheels, extra chainrings, extra tires, extra etc… Only very few people are smart enough to realise that simple bike for 1300 € total would have given to them essentially exactly the same.
I make my decisions based on the frames geometry if geometry is correct for my riding style nothing else maybe weight and of course looks
Looking fit Frederico. I got 2015 Tarmac, head alloy wheels and DT swiss hubs, 105 groupo. bike rides like it's on rails and so nimble, built for speed. Niboli Bike. lol
They say one of the best ever bikes!
Nice pet shop boys reference slipped in there 😉
From my young times...
When I bought a disc brake bike in 2020, I was a little disappointed by the ride feel - but I’ve narrowed most of the difference down to OEM wheels. A nice set of Mavic carbon wheels and the bike was transformed.
For sure wheels and tyres are maybe the best upgrade ever
I got a new bike in 2022 from Simga sports a green Bianchi with dise brakes not d12 it’s all I need good frame great make love it, the only upgrade I have done is new Vel wheels all good… love your RUclips channel….🙏🏿
Nice one!
When I bought a new bike a couple of years back, I whittled the choice down to a Scott and a Cannondale. Scott let me try the bike for a week, Cannondale didn't let me have any trial at all. Guess which bike I bought?
Pity it's more difficult nowadays.
Another great video ❤❤ For me it’s the feel.😊
Thanks again!
I would say the feel is important to me but not in the way you've described. I'm not concerned so much about the bike's snappiness or responsiveness on climbs or sprints. But I want to feel fast and comfortable, 'effortlessly' smashing kilometres, enjoying views and the feel of speed. It is very hard to predict beforehand how I will feel with a new bike, though. Especially when this is at the same time a new type of bike. I switched last summer from an old mtb-styled touring bike to a gravel bike. Aside from limitations implied on me by my budget, this was a highly blind purchase. Still, when one finds by try-and-error the right bike for him or herself, then sticking to numbers (frame's geometry) when buying a new bike of the same type may be the way to go.
I guess for me it is more about road bikes, when the bike feels more of an extension of your body
I think on a none pro level this also applies to your own performance metrics. Initially I was too focused on average speed, bpm, power, and so on. It kind of ruined the experience of riding my roadbike for me. Once I stepped down on the numbers and also started to ride by feeling while listening to my body I found it much more enjoyable. Improvement then came naturally.
I don't have a power meter or heart monitor and I love to ride on feel. I do watch my segments performance though
Nice video as usual, so many cyclists around! Waiting for the bike delivery and curious to compare feelings 👌 According to many other people the new bike feels awesome and super fast 😅
I only ride on feel..
maybe I’m not getting most out of my abilities, but I’m getting the most out of my personal experience.
I’ve ridden and owned many different bikes but for me, I love a "superbike" nothings feels better than a stiff bike!
Posers are essential to the bike ecosystem, where else are we going to find fancy used bikes. For a start it depends on so many things. Just because they poser bike may be a bit lighter won’t necessarily make them faster. At the end of the day it’s the one pushing the pedals that makes the difference
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It's hilarious watching the big cycling channels just now address the issue of insanely priced, heavy disc brake bikes and the suffering bike market.
I hate to see companies fail, but I love to see them going through periods of correction.
I am a poser myself hahaha
Great video there’s far too much marketing hype & to be honest I’m fed up with it all. Nowadays you can’t even get a good test ride out of a store to make a decision on which bike to purchase. It’s very important about the feeling as you say keep up the good work Fede 👍🏽
Thank you! It should definitely be easier to test ride a new bike, especially for the investment needed!
I love the feel of all four of my road bikes, still have my 2012 Cannondale super 6 which I used in Mallorca last October , but just purchased the latest Canyon Aeroad and the feeling on that is next level. 1st the geometry positions you to be more aero on the bike but surprisingly very comfortable and the 2nd it just wants to go faster, holds the speed better and accelerates with ease. But discussing feel or performance, there is a 3rd and that is looks?
I agree with you on the Aeroad, comfortable, aero and fast. Maybe not so quick to accelerate though. But I tried the CF SLX, not the CFR. Looks can be subjective, but newer bikes look really nice and modern
@@fede1275 I have the CF SLX and on the 2 chain gangs I’ve done so far on the Aeroad, it’s response on closing down gaps felt quick, one thing I would note is the front end is twitchy(more lively) compared to the other bikes I have. Not tried it out in the Peak District yet to see if there’s any difference between my 6.8kg super6 evo a kg lighter, but I’m more of a punchy rider than a climber so would I notice?
And on looks, if you look good you feel good. Most importantly enjoy riding your bike, have adventures, enjoy the outdoors and I think more importantly enjoy the company you surround yourself with.
@@mattalcock154 you will definitely notice the weight on the climb, but yes, it will feel great everywhere else. I did not find the front end twitchy, but I believe on some sizes the stem is too short for me. Maybe you have longer stems on the other bikes
Awesome you were featured on Chris's channel wow.. stick with the bike you like not what the media and peer pressure tell you you need buddy.. I had carbon bikes with disc etc and went back to steel framed bikes, Campy rim brake and mechanical love them. I do still own a disc bike for winter which is titanium and that's great to but carbon just doesn't do it for me but that's just what I like and that's ok :) Pete
Makes sense, I am afraid of riding steel as I would want a new bike!
@@fede1275 Yes that is true buddy ;) Pete
Imagine this topic talking about cars, no one buys a car just by looking at the data provided by the manufacturer. You have to test drive the car and picture yourself driving the car for years to come and how does that feel. All new bikes are stiffer and faster according to the brands but theyre the oned trying to make us buy new bikes. So have youre own opinion and dont let the media tell you wich bike you need. Great video!
Exactly!
Feel...and pleasure are the most important things 🤌
"Feel" absolutely!! So-called "facts" are _not_ enough. I don't give a *bleep about being faster than anyone else. I ride on my own for general fitness & entertainment.
I feel you should keep the rim brakes because they look cool!
If you don’t like it you won’t ride it as much. If you find a bike you love you’ll not only ride it more, you’ll never get rid of it!
I’ll ride my Scultura till I die!
Never have An power meter and never will 😃 RIM BRAKE CARTEL!!! 👊🏻much love from Montreal♥️
No heart sensor either!
I find more joy riding my 19 year old Trek with 23mm tyres and rims brakes as I do my modern bike with 32mm tyres, aero this and that, DI2 and disc brakes. Given the choice I'd choose it every time. Why?... Because It feels real. It's fun, fast, nimble and comfortable. The feel of a well tuned mechanical bike is satisfying too. If the bike feels good then so do I. That's all that matters right?!
I suspect you are also as fast as on a modern bike as well
@@fede1275yes.
...or as slow... It depends how you look at it😂
I think this video is well made and has some great opinions, which I believe everything boils down to one of them from the guy you like, saying: "I just wanna ride fast uphills, I don't want to go fast downhills or flats"
In my case, I'll always push towards the biggest chainring and aero everything because I don't care about riding fast uphills, this doesn't bring me any joy, I just wanna ride fast on flats and downhills.
You on the other hand if you like the kick/response that you get from the rim brake when you sprint and overall being agile I believe is it the case you like more flats and downhills?
I also love to push 53-11 on the flat or downhill, but I always thought going uphill is the most challenging part and this is where I need to have a bike that helps me. I can live with less aero for the flats, I can still be reasonably fast
Xcr Columbus Italian steel. Nothing compares. Although I haven't ridden TI.
I am not trying, I fear I would want more bikes...
@@fede1275 😍
Well done video! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I have a rim brake aero bike, I always liked the look of aero bikes think they look wicked. So brought my bike on looks haha But the newer aero bikes do not look half as aggressive as the old rim brake ones. Look at the rim brake venge vias looked crazy good when you had the disk vias it just did not look as good. I like the feel of my bike I don't want it to be comfortable I like feeling the road buzz, makes it feel like your flying along, I don't want to "float" across the road. Problem is if I did want to go modern and get a bike of similar spec now I would have to spend £5 grand, and proberbly a divorce too...
Yes, absolutely. Also current aero bikes have been toned down, to be more versatile. Less aero tubing, especially in the back end.
Next fashion: shorter cranks, narrow flared handlebars, road TT helmets, many things left to try
I am still on 175mm cranks...
If the bike fits properly and you are fit and fresh, all bikes feel great (especially if you are riding stronger than the people around you). I have rim, disc, steel, carbon road bikes all with different tyres etc. it’s 99% the rider determines how well the bike rides.
Yes, but to an extent. I have 2 Ultimates, same size. Different tyres and wheels have a huge effect, they ride very differently
Good video mate 👍
Glad you enjoyed
Certainly the same for me, all about the FEEL. Having owned 50 or so bikes over the decade, most young bloods would be surprised to hear I found that FEEL on an aluminium frame. Shocking, right?
Unusual indeed!
Been through several bikes over the last 25 years. I also feel the greatness of aluminum and steel. Currently have 3 bikes steel, carbon, and aluminum.
While feel is important to me - I'm with Jesse on this topic. I never actually experienced the 'feel' of my bike until I'd paid for and received it! I don't think 'feel' is a factor that determines a purchase, since it can only be experienced after the money has been spent.
There are some privileged few who get a test ride or review bike, but the rest of us have to go on recommendations, looks, budget and performance figures from the manufacturer's website.
After that, we get used to the bike and just tell ourselves it feels great, because who wants to spend all that money and live with regret because their bike doesn't feel great?!
Yes, good point. I guess the problem is when the manufacturers push on some expected sensations from their bikes and they fail to materialise.
My last bike purchase was like this, I had an alum 06 rim bike Felt and was ready for a new bike, first I wanted carbon and hydro disc then I found the least expensive bikes that fit that and ended up with the Canyon Endurace mainly because it checked the boxes for the price and not because any performance numbers, I also like being the outsider because I don't like the elitism in the road bike world and Canyons kinda get the elite riders mad because they think you are destroying the bike industry.😂 In the end I love my Canyon and to be honest any new carbon bike would feel better than my old bike so my new bike felt awesome but I haven't ridden any other road bike in the modern era so what would I know except the #1 performance upgrade you can do is fitness, everything else is marginal. I can hold my own against the other local riders on strava with bikes 4x's the cost of my bike and when they see that it makes their blood boil. Aloha 🤙
Well explained!!
While I'm still fast I'll always pick performance, providing the bike doesn't ride like a horse cart!
There's only one thing the bike upgrade, ultegra DI2 12 speed.
You've got the winspace rims.
Have you tried to run 28mm tyres? It would suit you very well...
Yes, but technically the bike should have max 25mm. Some are running 28mm, but I am still happy with the smaller size
Rhe feel is incredible I've had over 30 road bikes 18 of them pinarello and by feel this prince is in the top 3
Pinarello seem to keep the same geometry and feel across their bikes
Feel is the most important feature
Feel!
Cool
First the Nero Show, what’s next 🤔 GCN or maybe Eurosport!
I sense a career change - Federico Campella -Cycling Pundit 😂
I'm going mainstream 😂😂
I have a canyon ultimate witb Sram axs but recently i bought a cannondale super 6 hi mod 2012. Rim brakes and mechanical sram red. Now i am selling off my canyon.
An all time Classic the Hi Mod!
Any siroko discount code ??? I’m after some bib shorts 😘
Of course, direct link srko.co/fede1275
Just ordered to see how I get on , could be new kit going forward
Keep up the amazing work 🤙
@@iandarcy905 👍👍
Btw, Getis of Love the Climb’s videos were top notch!
Conspiracy Theory here: he was threatened by big corp to take the video down
Feel🤔
I have just upgraded from a tarmac Sworks sl3, (rim brake) that I have owned for ten years
To a tarmac sl7 (disc brake di2).
The biggest difference between the two bikes is the tyre width & the disc brake.
The 28mm tyre on a 21 mm wheel has a massive difference in comfort
Which means you come back from longer rides feeling much fresher & less beaten up,
The disc brake has a 40% improvement in braking in my opinion,
Less fatigue in the hands on longer down hills,
That being said all of theses new bikes
Are so ridiculously overpriced
the bike industry is literally gonna to kill itself.
My first bike was a Planet X pro carbon rim brake bike with sram red
(7.2kg) the best value for money bike you can buy if your new to road cycling.
Yes, to me is too much money for the relative improvement.
I never got to ride my bikes before buying so it’s always based on numbers and what reviewers have felt. It would be nice if you could try all bikes before buying but that’s just not the industry norm
Definitely not easy. Sometimes you need to rely on friends or the unusual demo day
English version of sunny LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! 🤣😂 🤣😂 🤣😂 🤣😂 🤣😂
I know!! LOL
I’ll take the 250GT. And vintage Alfa 33 Stradale
The 33 Stradale is simply the most beautiful car ever made. Ever!
@@fede1275 Alfa Romeo piu bella di sempre!
To be honest, can anyone really tell differences between different bikes? If it were possible to ride blindfolded, how many could tell which was which? I think marketing counts for 99% of influence. Then factor in for a lot of peope it's very difficult to actually test ride bikes before purchase - my Canyon as an example was bought online as all were back in the day - so for most I think it's specification and weight and of course cost which make decisions.
Well at least you can tell the difference between bike categories, aero/lightweight and definitely rim/discs, at least for me. Then the spec is of course important, especially wheels and tyres.
sub 7kg disc is not that uncommon anymore these days. loads of options that get you there easily if you are rdy to put down 10k+
I know, 10k towards 2.5k or so...
whatever happened to Love to Climb? Too bad all his videos are gone.
Newer bikes are more clinical and have less soul, tiny bit faster though.
Great video Fed..but it’s pathetic or just funny that everyone talks about feeling but none about steel..which is real
I am afraid of trying steel, I might like it too much!
Il feeling è tutto in bici,ma dalle mie parti se ne parli l'unica risposta che ricevi è "gamba ci vuole"...😊
Questa cosa che "la gamba e' tutto" mi ha sempre dato fastidio. Tra il salire al 10% con una bici da 7Kg e con una da 10Kg c'e' un mondo, che c'entra la gamba il quel caso? Mah...
@@fede1275 è semplice fisica,ma vallo a spiegare a veneti + che 70enni, sono di quelli che se pedali a più di 60 rpm ti bullizzano 😏
If it's not about the feel then you are falling into the marketing tactics! These companies selling bikes are here for one thing - your hard earned cash
Litwai was a good channel. He had a passion for cycling then seem to lose it.
If you didn't go by feel there would be no people left hahaha
That's evolution for you hahaha
Nobody can make money out of your riding on "feel"
In agreement with you Fred that you definitely gotta put your bum on the seat & test ride whichever bike that yiur going to buy either brand new or secondhand..,me personally being 57 yrs old & been riding bike's since before the dinosaurs i find that i gotta be absolutely dialled into a bike to make sure everything suits me..., i have riden many bikes over the yrs & during that time i have found everything that i like don't like from loads of bikes that i have owned throughout the years that's why for the past almost 6 yrs i have had my now bike which i built myself as its everything i want in a bike which consist of a full Merida 4000 disc frame set in size 56cm that i was lucky to get with it a 440mm CW carbon handlebars, a 380mm carbon aero seat post which i added a Specialized S-Works Romin II 3D carbon printed saddle, it's all internal cables & my groupset was the Ultegra 8020 hydraulic 11 speed mechanical groupset of choice which i recently upgraded to 105 Di2 12 speed full groupset..,kept my 50mm Prime Black Edition carbon rims thats layered in with Tpu tubes all wrapped up in 28mm Continental Gp5000s black chilli compound clincher race tires & last but not least PD-R8000 peddles..., Fred, my bike is a gem & it's took me years to figger out exactly my preference in bike comfort, feel etc & out of all the bike that I have owned, tested or otherwise hand on heart the above mentioned bike that i now own will be with me till i die give or take the added new "fandangled" upgrade that will be a must but to answer your question brother the feel of whatever bike a individual is gonna go for it's imperative that comfort should be a main factor as upgrades etc is secondary..., as always Fred excellent video in deep dive information for all us mare mortals brother & as for content always a gold star✨...,never stop what your doing Fred as its always a pleasure to view & follow you in your continued bike endeavours...,top fella 👊🏾👍🏾
Thank you so much!!
what a day that was 🎉 another great video Fede 🤌🏼
Thank you Tom!!