Video #12, 1937 Specimen Proof Set Reveal
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Continuing with "My Journey" from USA Coinage to British Pre Decimal Coins I dragged this one from the depths of my Safe Deposit Box to share with you all.
I have not looked at these coins for quite a while, viewing in my Registry Set is far removed from having them "in the hand" and what a Stunning set, IMHO.
This was actually my very first British Pre Decimal set after making the decision to move away from USA Coinage, primarily because of the thankless task of finding Upgrades at an affordable price due to me living in the UK. This set actually got me hooked on British Coinage and I have never looked back.
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Thank you for your video. For those who are not aware, in 1937 for the coronation of King George VI, the Royal Mint also made Four Coin Specimen Gold Proof Sovereigns Sets consisting of a Quintuple Sovereign, Double Sovereign, a Sovereign and a Half Sovereign.
@@jadenephrite Well out of my price range Pal 😎
Your well on your way to a Great Set there, Quality has a habit of dazzling the eye , very nice indeed 👍
@@haroldmclean3755 Some Upgrades coming, so hold onto your hat 😎
Cool coin 👍🪙
Beautiful coins, that’s truly a beautiful collection! And if I may, if you were to have the coins conserved, then that could possibly get you the grade you’re looking for!
@@imanumistackerii4907 Thanks Pal, Which coins do you think would benefit from Conservation?
@@LeedsLadLovesCoins the video is showing some haze on the surface of the coins, that I believe if you had it conserved, you could possibly achieve a higher grade! I believe you had mentioned that you thought one of the coins was a cameo! I tend to agree with that observation! If the haze was removed it could possibly bring about the cameo effect you’re looking for!
@@imanumistackerii4907 Unfortunately I have yet to see a 1937 Proof with the Cameo designation, they would be worth some money?
Beautiful coins, mate! NGC has become MUCH stricter in recent times. Thank CAC/CACG for skewing grades downward. Even when it’s seemingly not called for.
@@robbonaiuto3501 Thank you for your thoughtfull and insightfull comments. I 100% agree with what you say, it has always perplexed me WHY collectors required a 3rd party grading service to confirm the grading og a 3PGS? Madness in my eyes 😎
@@robbonaiuto3501 Spot on Pal
This is a great set and you have some very high quality coins! Thanks for sharing. I was aware of this set, but hadn't seen anything about it for quite some time. I am American and collect both US and UK coins and have done for some time, so thanks for sharing and reminding me of a hole in my collection. Like you, I adore proofs and, in that regard, the older the better. How many of these have survived without serious damage after nearly 100 years? In the US, 1936 was the first year when proof "sets" started being issued, so these are right up there with the oldest "sets." Previous to that, at least in the US, proof coins were sold singly, i.e., you could only buy a dollar or a cent but no such thing as a "set" per se, but of course you could just buy all of the individual coins. I think the UK did several "sets" as such that were earlier, the 1927 comes to mind but I believe there were others. Okay, now I am just going on, but again, thanks for a nice video!
Thank you for your comments. Take a look at my playlist as I have a Video posted on the 1927 Specimen set. I collect the pre-decimal Specimen Proof sets so have the 1970, 1953, 1951, 1950, 1937 & 1927 with only the 1911& 1902 sets missing. The problem that exists in searching for a, raw gem, set is that they have pretty much all been searched and Cherry picked by Dealers and Collectors so the search can be frustratingly slow?
Please take a look at my other Videos as I have presented the 1927, 1937, 1951 & 1953 sets so far. Thanks for watching
@@LeedsLadLovesCoins Yes, will be watching. Found you on the NGC registry, too! Cool!
Nice. Tough to get cameo when the hazing on the coin obscures the contrast somewhat. While that can be conserved I feel the originality of the coin is far better served left alone.
@@louieatienza8762 I ordinarily dont get my British coins conserved unless I KNOW it will improve the coin. There is a strong feeling, within the British coin market, that the American graders dont fully understand British coinage so tend to grade them harshly?
@@LeedsLadLovesCoins I'm not sure it's that. Just going by this video, and not having coins in hand, I would tend to agree with the grades. Proofs are graded somewhat differently than mint-state coins in that you'd consider a perfect proof-70 coin, look at the defects on the coin, and remove points for each one, such as spotting, fine hairlines, hazing (that may obscure mirrored fields), struck-in lint, or other imperfections. I would guess, regardless of country, that proof-65 would be the typical grade for pre-1950s coinage, given their manufacture, handling, and storage; proof-66 to proof-68 for coins from the 1950s to 1990s, and proof-69 to proof-70 for coins from the 2000s to today. We just know more, and technology and manufacturing is better.
@@louieatienza8762 British coins dont have the same mirror finish as US Coinage so are a very different Beast which the American Grading system does not seem to take into consideration. I do agree that the "hazing" on some of the fields held a couple back, but that was the point I was trying to make. We had our own TPGS called LCGS which went out of business, for many reasons, It is pretty rare to get a comparative crossover grade through either ngc or pcgs because of the differences in the minting process.
I aint complaining louie and feel the grades are very strong which is reflected in the census figures.
@@LeedsLadLovesCoins Even without the hazing, the definition for "cameo" by the TPGs requires mirrored fields with frosted devices and legend. Also, this must be true for the obverse AND reverse. Even on US coins, and this is true of pre-1971 US coins, if the contrast is deemed too mild, it won't get the cameo designation regardless of whether the devices and legend are frosted.
A lot of this was due to how the frosting was done pre-1971. The dies were soaked in a mild acid solution, called pickling, which frosted the die surfaces. Then the fields were polished, creating cameo contrast. As the dies wear, the devices and legend become "polished" and the contrast disappears. A mint employee could redo the pickling process, but that would come at a cost of detail loss. Some employees would even re-engrave certain details on the dies, creating varieties. In 1971, the Mint switched to media blasting, virtually guaranteeing at least cameo contrast, with many having deep cameo contrast. Nowadays, laser sintering is used to frost the devices and legend, and the laser can selectively frost areas.
That said, GB proofs exist with the "cameo" designation, which would likely indicate the earliest of strikes. They are just that much rarer. It's likely more common with gold, which is softer and wouldn't wear the polished surfaces as much.
I have a 1937 half sov pf65 cameo beautiful coin one of my favorites
@@mitchgriffin2150 You are a Lucky man. I collect Proof Half Sovs so keep an eye out for my show and tell video
@@LeedsLadLovesCoins When I started coin collecting about 4 Years ago I decided to concentrate on Great Britian pre decimal . I have a pretty good collection for such a short time and living in California. We have only three coin shops whiten about 50 miles. I find your videos quite informative Thank You for them, Mitch
@@mitchgriffin2150 I am friends with a local Coin Dealer in Leeds (where I am from) called "The Coinery", they hold an online Auction every other month with the next online Auction scheduled for Sept 15th, look them up, register, you can look at all previous auctions to get an idea of price and then get involved or simply tell me what you are looking for and I may have something.
If you look at my videos I am selling the 1950, 1951 & 1953 specimen sets if you are interested?
@@mitchgriffin2150 Eyup Pal, I have a 1953 Proif Crown, ngc PF65 Cameo if you are interested?
@@LeedsLadLovesCoins depends on the price its a possibility.
NGC have been super strict since cac opened even coins they would have netted get details 😢 I've got a 1820 crown in rwb sale in September, it's grey tone lovely au coin it au cleaned ,I've seen worse coins straight graded . My opinion and opinions of others NGC have been super harsh . I have a 1696 Bristol b over e and a 1697 will bull rarity of R4 in the sale ❤
@@samabrahams7687 I have just picked up a PF67 Shilling, English Crest, that is Top Pop, it is not as good as my PF66 that it replaces????
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@@blisteringbarnaclesmagnets6364 Hi Pal, Hope you enjoy? Spread the word
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Thank you! Cheers!
A specimen set is not a proof coin set
What Coins Were Included In 1937 Proof Sets?
Specimen sets issued to mark the coronation of King George VI included eleven 50% silver coins including a special Coronation Crown, a Halfcrown, a Florin, an English Shilling, a Scottish Shilling, a Sixpence, and a Threepence, plus four royal Maundy coins (a Fourpence, a Threepence, a Twopence and a Penny). In addition to this, 1937 sets include a brass Threepence and three bronze coins: a Farthing, a Penny and a Halfpenny. Yes, that's three separate Threepences, all distinct in appearance.
So are these Maundy money?
@@robbonaiuto3501 The Specimen set contained the Proof coinage minted for the Coronation year and included the 4p, 3p, 2p and 1p Maundy coins also struck as proofs. Hope that helps