So I made a spelling reform...
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- In this video, @CasualConlanger presents his inaugural French spelling reform, Casual Conlanger's Correction of 'c'.
Enjoy the video!
Notes:
1. While discussing the 'Controversial rule', I say that creating a false 'etymological' link is a pro, and right after that it's a con, which is unclear. As an objective, bringing words with a common origin back together isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as it's done well. However, when it reduces transparency, it should be avoided. So, the theory is good, but in practice often doesn't work out. I hope that's clearer now!
Links:
[1] English orthography: en.m.wikipedia...
[2] French orthography: en.wikipedia.o...
[3] Académie française: www.academie-f...
[4] History of French: en.wikipedia.o...
[5] 'w' (jan Misali): • w
[6] 'c' (jan Misali): • c
[7] Rectifications de l’orthographe (6 décembre 1990), rapport du Conseil supérieur de la langue française (archived from the original): web.archive.or...
[8] ‘zinc’ Wiktionary: fr.wiktionary....
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The problem with L'Académie is way deeper than just being a conservative institution. Basically they are one of the most reactionary institution you can think of, to the point they reject the whole field of linguistics just for dating from "only" the 19th century. Also it's a quite corrupt institution with a huge real estate and shady practices.
However where you're right is that theorically, the existence of l'Académie Français sets a precedent for an entity having power to enact reform on the whole of Francophonie. So a reformed institution directly linked to the Organisation internationale de la Francophonie for example could ideally be created to replace l'Académie in its role.
What's funny though it's that l'Académie are partially responsible for the 1990 reform and French boomers succeed in rejecting it still for the most stupid of reasons, chief among them: "I suffered through learning the spelling why shouldn't the young generations suffer as well ?". But overall, the 1990 reform might catch on because as time go by resistance to this reform will fade IMO. It's already partially taught in Belgium, Switzerland and Québec. For example I learned "ambigüe" instead of "ambiguë" and even the possibility to drop the etymological ^ in lot of cases. So I encourage you to be a bit more ambitious and to base your future reforms idea on furthering the 1990 reform instead.
Otherwise I agree with all your suggestions except zinc > zingue. Not only /zɛ̃k/ is more common but regional prononciation /zɛ̃/ exists. With the linguicide history of la Francophonie, "forcing" the pronunciation of the ending by adding -ue would add to the fire.
C'est vrai que zinc -> zingue, c'est un peu zinzin.
(Ok je sors)
Great points! I think I will definitely go over the 1990 Reform sometime, and I absolutely think it should be adopted mainstream. I believe that it's now mandatory in textbooks, et ce depuis 2016 !
I do plan on making more spelling reforms, so don't worry about that... Ambition is coming!
One meta-remark I will make: this video's been in the making for almost a year (the script being most of that, with big gaps in between). Since that time, my political tendencies and general thoughts on the Académie française have drastically changed - for the better - especially with what's happening in France right now. As such, I didn't give the AF a hard enough time at the beginning of the video, and I probably should have redone that part of the script, but by that point, I was already so burnt out and considering stopping RUclips altogether that I didn't want to...
In hindsight, feeling a lot better and hopeful about RUclips and life in general, I definitely should have changed it up to more accurately depict the Académie and my vision (I don't see the point in trying to hide it, it's pretty self-evident I think).
All that to say... I fully agree with what you've said, support the reform, and reactionaries are gonna die out anyway. Change happens, man. :)
PS: about zinc, I knew it would rattle some people, which is why I added in the editors note, but maybe didn't make it clear enough that I'd probably scrap that change in a francophonie-wide reform. Even I myself pronounced it with a /k/, then switched to /g/ as an overcorrection (thinking /k/ would make me stand out too much) and then switched back to /k/ when it had the opposite effect!
@@CasualConlanger Alright I see ! I may have been a bit over harsh I realise now. Continue your videos they are very entertaining !
As a francophone, the only spellings that i like here are "exéma" (which is already used by a few people & books that follow the 1990 reform), "segonde" and "caoutchout" which makes sense honestly.
i tried making a spelling reform for french one time, in a mostly joking way, but the most reasonable part of it is to only spell h aspiré and not h muet, so homme -> omme, horrible -> orrible. the joking part is where i ADD h to get "hun" and "honze" just like "huit". it also included replacing the diaeresis (tréma) with h. so mahis, nahive, aighue, etc
HES BACK
After a year... finally!
About "caoutchouc" derived words, I swear I've heard the word "caoutchouquer" (I'm from Québec). After googling, it looks like the word "caoutchouquer" is attested; it shows up in the CNRTL dictionary (Guérin, 1892) and Dionne's 1909 Le Parler populaire des Canadiens français. edit: spelling
What a great counterexample! 🥲
I think it would be interesting for you to review Domingo Faustino Sarmiento's Spanish spelling reform.
"first" comments are overdone
with that being said, third
Have you run your idea by the English Spelling Society?
Edit: Oh wait, nevermind.
"this looks horrible, we love it"
Funnily enough, I've been working with a friend on reforming French spelling in small-ish ways as well, and it's fun to see someone else say we should change "second" to "segond". I don't think we thought of the "dragon" argument, though, so that's nice.
That's great!
One of my favourite ways to justify a spelling change is to see how a word got to where it is in the first place (here, 'second'), and then reverse engineer that change by finding an inconsistent example ('dragon'). Making logical changes based on consistency and transparency, rather than pseudo-logical changes based on abstracted etymological reasons, is what motivated me to scrap the direct > diregt change.
Keep in mind, this obviously only counts for reforms that aim to simplify spelling, and aren't æsþetic in nature - see what I did there? ;)
@@CasualConlanger Yeah we usually like to go back to the root too. We just missed this one, somehow.
I missed you too! Where're u been?
Oops.... where'VE you been?
Mai nu speliņ riform:
Orđografi
Konsonants:MNŅPTKBDGFVĐSZCJRLHÏÜQ*
Vaüels:IUEOAË
Eksampël:
Đë küik braun foks jëmps ovër đë leizi dog
28 letters
Q is used for the "gh" sound:
Thigh(pronounced as ai):Điq,not Đai
Enough(pronounced as f):Inëq,not Inëf
Nice!
the idea of spelling reform is as ridiculous as the idea of speech reform.
prove me wrong.
(i think spelling reforms are a fun "what if", but if anybody thinks that an actual big spelling reform will ever happen to languages with such high literacy rates as English or French they're just delusional.)
I think you need to check the 1901 reform proposal as well
I missed you
segond dix
I got my answer, thank you 😂
Perfecto chef !
Nah
Décelasses.