How are Indian and Western Music Different?

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  • Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025

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  • @hilanoga1486
    @hilanoga1486 2 года назад +6

    Thanks!

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад +1

      Hi Hila, that is very kind of you, thank you! I appreciate it a lot.

  • @JasonWild-kk3lm
    @JasonWild-kk3lm Год назад +5

    You have the most wonderful music learning channel on youtube! I'm so glad to have found you!

  • @ShashankModiMusic
    @ShashankModiMusic 2 года назад +38

    Great explanation. Also, the Indian Classical Music is micro-tonal and uses natural temperaments.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад +2

      Yup, that's right! Happy to help.

    • @KaathaAngrez
      @KaathaAngrez 2 года назад +1

      Yeah man. It's hilarious how he sang the Indian classical part,

  • @hariramaiah5152
    @hariramaiah5152 Год назад +3

    Lets take Todi for gamaka explanation
    And with veena instrument reference. Veena can visualise gamakas.
    Sa is flat
    Ri has 3 shades ri flat, rsrs or srsr
    Ga is beautiful, rarely flat, oscillatea in chatushruti ri till sadarana gandara in
    Ma has 2 shades flat ma and rarely ga pa pull in antara gandara in some alapanas
    Pa flat as always
    Da is same as ri flat pdpd or dpdp
    Ni resembles ga pulled in chatushrithi dhaivata upto kaishiki nishada.
    Your understanding is amazing.❤ Thank you the informative video❤

  • @BadigerEngineer
    @BadigerEngineer День назад

    Hey there.. so nice to see you presenting this information. I wish to add some more information here. Indian music has a hierarchy in itself, 'gaayan, vaadhan, narthan' which is vocal, instrumental, dance respectively. a vocalist is considered have more weightage. Indian compositions is comparable to a flute which mostly produces one note at a time although harmonium is used. Hindustani system is based on Thata system which is more like the modes while Carnatic music ic based on 72 possible scales. Carnatic music considers half tones, whole tones, one and half tones while forming complete scales those with 7 notes but hindustani music considers half and whole tones only. That is to say there are only two Ri's, Ga's, Dha's and Ni's in Hindustani, while there are Three Ri's Ga's Dha's and Ni's in Carnatic. These are more like enharmonic equivalents although not exactly the same as in western. The third Ri in carn is the same note first Ga in Hindustani. This allows a scale like blues to be possible to sing in a Carnatic classical raga while it is not possible in Hindustani. The 72 scales are based on two combinations of 31 scale in each set. one set uses Pure Ma which is the perfect 4th and the second set with Tritone. One rule to remember -if I am correct- is in Carnatic it is not allowed to use the perfect 4th and the Tritone in a single scale. I have quite some information on this to share if someone is interested to know. There's a book "The Theory of Indian Music by Ram Avatar Vir", I think there's no other book that has explained these concepts all in one place.. it's a rare book I recommend it for someone like you if you didn't already know about it.. it's very low price for what it offers.. keep up the great work..
    Also the other day I was watching you video on the cyclic and linear rhythm patterns. It was really helpful. However I find it difficult to understand the structure of compositions especially the difference between Hindi pop /movie songs and English album songs. Mainly the repetition of melody part after certain bars. I have had a hard time figuring out the phrases, periods as compared to the Avartan. Also about the meter, tempo, matra and Laya.. You seem to have studied these well as you are familiar with both eastern and western system. Kindly consider making a video on this. Thanks for taking your time to read this..

  • @youzerr5041
    @youzerr5041 2 года назад +13

    Hi! Amazing video. Would you consider making a video discussing the relationship between Flamenco and Indian classical music? I am familiar with the history of the Romani people. I would love to hear a musician analyze and describe their similarities and differences. Thank you for your consideration! :) !

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад +4

      I would love to make a video on that! I would have to do more research to make a good one first though. Maybe I'll do some short videos on the topic before I tackle the long one. You can keep find my short videos on instagram, tiktok, and of course youtube shorts :)

  • @samaysharma6193
    @samaysharma6193 3 года назад +5

    Brooo u r srsly srsly underrated....loved it ❤️❤️❤️

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 года назад +2

      haha, thank you for your support. I hope to grow my audience lots more!

    • @samaysharma6193
      @samaysharma6193 3 года назад +2

      @@neilchanmusic shared ur vid on all social medias I am on 😁👍

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 года назад +1

      Thank you very much, I really appreciate that!

  • @shankhadipmondal7965
    @shankhadipmondal7965 3 года назад +5

    🔥🔥🔥🔥 love your lessons from India ❤️❤️❤️❤️..

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 года назад +3

      Thanks for listening, sending love from Singapore to India!

  • @vbudyak
    @vbudyak 2 года назад +1

    शुक्रिया!) उन्होंने इसे बहुत स्पष्ट रूप से समझाया और मुझे आवाज के साथ उदाहरण पसंद आया सवाल यह है: क्या पश्चिमी संगीत की समान रूप से टेम्पर्ड संरचना, और विशेष रूप से गिटार, आपके कान को काटता है?
    धन्यवाद ?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад +1

      You're welcome! I'm quite used to the even-tempered tuning of western music, since I grew up with it. It doesn't bother me much, but it doesn't have the same impact as melodies outside of the even-tempered restrictions.

  • @dhritikonwar6668
    @dhritikonwar6668 2 года назад +2

    Wonderfully explained 😊

  • @richardeast3328
    @richardeast3328 10 дней назад

    An interesting video would be a piece of music by Bach being played one a cathedral organ compared to a famous Indian composer playing a piece on an Indian instrument.

  • @MuseLeathercraft
    @MuseLeathercraft 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much! Truly an excellent tutorial! 😊 G

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  4 месяца назад

      You are so welcome! Glad it was helpful

  • @finofrancis4093
    @finofrancis4093 5 месяцев назад +2

    appreciate your effort to sing mayamalavagowla ragam

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  5 месяцев назад

      Thank you for your kind words. I'm don't claim to be an expert, but I love carnatic music.

  • @iamtherealbatmaniswear
    @iamtherealbatmaniswear 2 года назад +3

    For all those interested, check out the book "Oriental Jazz Improvisation - Microtonality and Harmony." It explains not only the differences between Indian and Western music (microtonality in cent values and so on) but also between these two as well as Turkish and Arabic music.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад

      Thank you so much for sharing! It sounds like an excellent book to delve deeper into the subject.

    • @iamtherealbatmaniswear
      @iamtherealbatmaniswear 2 года назад

      ​@@neilchanmusic It definitely is. But people like you share great content, too. There is so much great music on this planet. Peace!

  • @carbonc6065
    @carbonc6065 Год назад

    This is great ... Thanks!

  • @pinklemon-m5v
    @pinklemon-m5v 2 года назад +3

    Great video thanks for making it! I ended up here randomly, now im off to find classical Indian music so i can hear what it sounds like, sounds intriguing.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад

      Glad you liked it! Enjoy listen to Classical Indian music!

  • @MOON-gf4tl
    @MOON-gf4tl 3 года назад +5

    Can u react and give analysis of different finger style guitarist around the world like marcin , ben woods etc ,
    U r doing great job sir

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 года назад +1

      That's a great idea, I'll try to do it sometime soon. Thank you Moon!

  • @CatFish107
    @CatFish107 11 месяцев назад

    I tell yah what, I am curious about music theory from places other than Europe, as I begin to learn music. I have the goal of making my own, without it slotting into popular genres. I would like a broad specteum of knowledge, and as an Anglo Canadian, my upbringing and exposure to music has been very narrow.
    The adi tala you sang felt more natural to me, like I almost could remember the words, despite having never heard the rhythm before. Thank you for the insights!

  • @maayaalokamaayaaloka
    @maayaalokamaayaaloka 8 месяцев назад

    You are really good😊 Thank you🌸 and good luck🪔

  • @ASMRyouVEGANyet
    @ASMRyouVEGANyet Год назад +1

    Beautiful singing voice and speaking voice

  • @manikandan_369
    @manikandan_369 Год назад +1

    This is the first video I've watched in your channel and i subscribed as well, great job ❤ what is the best way to learn carnatic music along with acoustic guitar please guide me

  • @iagreewithyou4328
    @iagreewithyou4328 2 года назад +4

    Good explanation. Much appreciated!! 👍🏽👍🏽

  • @jaydoraiswami4762
    @jaydoraiswami4762 2 года назад +4

    👏 for cutting through the normal BS.
    Brilliant.

  • @priyangshupaul9679
    @priyangshupaul9679 2 месяца назад

    Can you plzz help me with how to do Western harkat on Hindi songs bcoz I know the classical harkat what is Western harkat can you plzz explain

  • @lumashsingh6629
    @lumashsingh6629 3 года назад

    Very wonderful, thank you

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 года назад +1

      Thank you too! It's a pleasure to share my knowledge with you.

  • @DevenBhatt-i9m
    @DevenBhatt-i9m 9 месяцев назад +1

    The concept of Harmony is also hidden in Indian classical melodic modes as it shows 1st(dominant)3rd(mediant)and 5th(sub-dominent)These notes shows chord harmony but their progression is different in east & western music.

  • @manavagrawal720
    @manavagrawal720 2 года назад +2

    It's crazy to learn about the difference. Quick questions, how about using counterpoint will that give western music somewhat freedom as demonstrated in Indian classical?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад

      Great to hear that Manav! Hm counterpoint is still very much bound by the rules of harmony in Western music! There are underlying harmonies at any point of the counterpoint melodies, so you are still restricted in that way both melodically and rhythmically.
      It's not necessarily a bad thing though, because harmonies are gorgeous!

    • @procash1968
      @procash1968 Год назад

      If I am not wrong, I think it is already being done in Indian cinema music & western + Indian fusion music

  • @Mherkava
    @Mherkava 2 года назад +2

    Thank you for being so clear .
    Great video!
    One question please. Does Indian classical music change 'scales' or Ragas in one song or does it stay constant.
    Secondly, can you make a video on the Hindu/Indian scale covering the distinctive features of the scale.
    Thanks!

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад +1

      Hey Shmuel, for the vast majority of the time, pieces will stay in one raga throughout. There is a specific type of composition called a ragamalika where multiple ragas are performed in one piece, but these compositions are uncommon.
      Hmm, I'd love to touch on ragas but my training is in carnatic rhythm. It'd take another lifetime for me to study ragas to a level that I feel confident and justified to teach them to you. Then again, I could do an overview video that'll give you a taste of the characteristics of ragas without going in-depth. Perhaps I'll work on that!

    • @Mherkava
      @Mherkava 2 года назад +1

      @@neilchanmusic
      Great idea.
      Thanks

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад

      @@Mherkava Welcome!

    • @jaydoraiswami4762
      @jaydoraiswami4762 2 года назад

      👍 explanation!
      I’m only a novice, but someone talked about this on a RUclips video, so sharing:
      Even Tamil movie songs employ these changes. For example, songs from an old classic “Apoorva Ragangal”(from Wikipedia):
      Two songs are ragamalikas, i.e. compositions having different verses set to different ragas.[3][43] "Yezhu Swarangalukkul" is set in Panthuvarali,[44][45] Kambhoji,[46] Sindhu Bhairavi and Ranjani.[47][48] "Athisaya Raagam" begins in Mahati,[49][50] and shifts to Bhairavi with the line "Oru Puram Paarthaal".[51]

  • @Yesbutactuallyno788
    @Yesbutactuallyno788 2 месяца назад

    But I think most of Classical music especially around the Renaissance and Baroque period not only did they have complex chord progessions but also a lot of freedom in complex melody as well. It is just modern music that the musicians use the simplicity in melody and repetative chord progression and thus restricted the the freedom.

  • @adithyankp7761
    @adithyankp7761 3 года назад +1

    Superb

  • @vasanthaiyengar273
    @vasanthaiyengar273 8 месяцев назад

    A recently released book discusses this topic.
    It is "Carnatic and Western music- blending the two systems" by
    V.S. Narasimhan.
    Check youtube with the above name for contents and availability.

  • @srajan5286
    @srajan5286 10 месяцев назад +1

    Please correct it fusion music not only in Hindi industry but Tamil industry as well,, perhaps greater in composition, composers like ilayaraja are Rahman(do explore) ...tq

  • @shailendramassey1386
    @shailendramassey1386 2 года назад +1

    Would you throw some light in a simplified manner as to what's singing in different parts like suprano,tenor,Alto? Will appreciate your help on this.

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад

      Essentially its having separate melodic lines singing in different registers. The soprano is the highest, followed by alto, then tenor, and bass is the lowest. Each line harmonises well with the others to produce an aesthetically pleasing effect.

    • @shailendramassey1386
      @shailendramassey1386 2 года назад +1

      @@neilchanmusic what is it called if one has to search for it on internet?.is it harmony or choir or mixed vocals..or what tutorials? Hope I have made myself clear 😊

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад +1

      @@shailendramassey1386 If you're looking for classical choir styles, you could search 'SATB choir', but if you're aiming for more pop style harmonies, you could search 'tight harmonies'. Hope this helps!

  • @domenicosorrentino1972
    @domenicosorrentino1972 Год назад +3

    it would be interesting some videos on indian music played on classical guitar

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Год назад

      Hey Domenico, I seldom play nylon strong classical guitars, but that'd be interesting to listen to. Unfortunately I don't think I'm the right person to attempt it!

  • @pk-le4er
    @pk-le4er Год назад +3

    Your singing is hypnotic

  • @Humans_as_ornaments
    @Humans_as_ornaments 9 месяцев назад

    What guitar is that?

  • @Politickticktickin
    @Politickticktickin 2 года назад +1

    Hey bro. So ragams are basically scales right? So is it possible to use carnatic ragams to make western music? For example, western music has minor, melodic minor, harmonic minor etc. Would it be possible to have a carnatic ragam crossover into a scale in western music? Would it lead to new sounds and unexplored territory?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  2 года назад

      Definitely you can! But you need to understand both the raga and western harmony. Not all ragas sound good over certain chords. It’s been done before but not a lot. You should check out John McLaughlin’s work.

    • @aakashgupta4296
      @aakashgupta4296 Год назад

      There are 10 thaats (parent raag), from these thaat raag references various different raags were developed.

  • @predatorgaming2725
    @predatorgaming2725 3 года назад +1

    I am indian and nice video🙂

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 года назад +1

      Glad to connect with you here, sending love from Singapore to India :)

  • @lkzt5543
    @lkzt5543 Год назад

    it must have been difficult for u to learn carnatic becoz of pronunciation and stuff but u have done well😄😄

  • @prathambansal8323
    @prathambansal8323 Год назад +1

    that message on the bottom right corner does not make sense. it does look like you are trained in Carnatic melody bcuz u sound so good?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Год назад +1

      Haha, thank you for your kind words. Well, sounding good doesn't necessarily mean 'correct' as far as the precise pitch and articulations in carnatic raga go. I studied carnatic vocal for a while, but not nearly long enough to claim that I can sing a raga accurately.

  • @kartikeypratapchauhan7123
    @kartikeypratapchauhan7123 7 месяцев назад

    Video 🗿
    Singing 🤡
    Just jokes.... Keep posting these amazing videos

  • @manojkrishna8839
    @manojkrishna8839 10 месяцев назад

    I have learned both Indian and Western music. If you are an aspiring musician or composer, you should first learn Western music. 🙂 If you don't know harmony and counterpoint, you can never compose good music. After learning harmony and counterpoint, you can try to learn Indian or Arabian music. Indian popular music is composed by mixing occidental harmony with oriental melodies. 🙂 You cannot compose Indian songs if you don't know Western harmony and counterpoint. 🙂 You should first learn to read and write music written on the grand staff.

    • @ronrobbins2737
      @ronrobbins2737 7 месяцев назад

      And to prove your point, check out some youtube channels where Indian "teachers" attempt to show befuddled fellow Indians how to play songs like "happy birthday" on their sad little keyboards. No mention of grand-staff, reading music, rhythm notation, or even correct fingering. It's like a walk back into the Dark Ages! You are a rare breath of fresh air.

  • @poetry_pulse2705
    @poetry_pulse2705 Год назад +1

    There are three musical traditions in India-
    1. Kamroopi
    2. North Indian
    3. South India

  • @moumitaadhikary8847
    @moumitaadhikary8847 5 месяцев назад

    MUI

  • @edmundleung2098
    @edmundleung2098 8 месяцев назад

    I think it is a mistake to look at Western 'classical' Music as a cultural product. It is more a technical achievement break through with equal temperament tuning. Equal temperament made complex harmonies possible and key changes within a single work possible.
    With this system, European classical could borrow ideas from India, Middle East and wherever Europeans go making this system an absorbing platform instead of a cultural product.

  • @shivathealmighty
    @shivathealmighty Год назад +6

    Indian classical music are way more rich in variety and depth... Just no comparison...

    • @alexdrudigmail
      @alexdrudigmail 6 месяцев назад

      Sure, and that's why European classical music is played all over the world (Asia included) while Indian classical music is practically unknown outside of India 🤦

    • @ceeyes
      @ceeyes 3 месяца назад

      Western classical has 10 X ragas than Indian classical.

    • @shivathealmighty
      @shivathealmighty 3 месяца назад +1

      @@ceeyes There is no concept of ragas in Western classical..

    • @ceeyes
      @ceeyes 3 месяца назад +1

      @@shivathealmighty there's a much bigger variety of scales in Indian (and middle eastern) music than in western music, probably because the lack of harmony enables more melodic freedom. Lack of harmony leads to loss of musical knowledge and the upcoming generation will not be able to get most of it.
      Raaga - melody
      Taala - rhythm
      Both you can give in western music also. Musical notes are introduced by western classical music so if you find a variation in raaga, you can write that down. But in Indian music, it is not allowed. It's the discretion of singers to make variations.

    • @KumarK-cn1sj
      @KumarK-cn1sj 3 месяца назад +1

      @@ceeyes You can’t write down the variations in Raaga. It’s simply not possible .

  • @tattvamashi
    @tattvamashi Год назад +5

    Indian Music Culture is way more older and way more detailed than western Music. It dated back to Vedic time. It is mentioned in Sam-Veda. Which is composed around 3000+ year ago. When River Sarswati was drying.

    • @supratikdas3734
      @supratikdas3734 Год назад

      Music Culture could be there but music principles were not established first in Shastriya Sangeet... And our Music is not as detailed because it is an Oral pauranik Guru Shishya parampara... And not generalised... The only book where it's generalised is Sagiruddin Khan's book after he published and pass the knowledge that are intricate for upcoming generation which is not that ancient... I would say Churches played an important role of constant contribution in developing and funding of Western Classical Music and generalised the theories but here we can learn through only Gurus who are known as Legacies of the Pundits and Ustads... Basically it's like a PhD but nothing is noted and these valuable information are hidden or lost

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Год назад

      @@supratikdas3734 there is difference between carnatic and hindustani music. You are talking about Hindustani music.

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Год назад

      @@lindnerxyz haha, I think you don't know anything about Music. Ignorance is harmful.😑

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Год назад

      @@supratikdas3734 you should listen, Chandrashekhar Astakam by Sound of Isha. The best example of Ancient Carnatic Music.

    • @tattvamashi
      @tattvamashi Год назад

      @@lindnerxyz i Think you are talking about Hindustani Islamic version of Indian Music. Ancient Indian music system is Carnatic Music. Which is very complex and deep. I think,you haven't heard any Carnatic Music.

  • @melophile7343
    @melophile7343 Год назад

    It takes lots of time and effort to learn indian classical music
    Its an art of creativity and imagination 💫

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Год назад

      It is a beautiful art form, it's been a pleasure studying and sharing it!

  • @DevenBhatt-i9m
    @DevenBhatt-i9m 9 месяцев назад

    How can u say less developed?Indian classical.

  • @chan_for
    @chan_for Год назад

    I will suggest you to give a glance on the science of Sanskrit Alphabets

  • @praveenb9048
    @praveenb9048 3 месяца назад

    I have heard Western RUclipsrs describing Indian music as "microtonal". What does this mean, and is it even true?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  3 месяца назад +1

      The term microtonal itself comes from a western music perspective, which today uses an equal temperament system ie 12 chromatic notes. Microtonal suggests that notes outside/in-between those 12 notes are used. But if you don't use equal temperament as your baseline reference, then you wouldn't really think of Indian music as microtonal, but just having it's own musical pitch system.
      And yes, Indian classical music doesn't use the equal temperament system. However much western music has influenced Indian music today and many concepts are borrowed, such as the note naming system.

  • @SubhajitTa
    @SubhajitTa 5 месяцев назад

    Explain the raag and taal in detail, otherwise nonmusicians can't understand this video

  • @AmolGaikwad-v3g
    @AmolGaikwad-v3g 6 месяцев назад

    Sabse pehale mai to isko ladki samaj Raha tha yaar😂

  • @baroque-rg1eq
    @baroque-rg1eq 4 месяца назад

    I am Indian. From which graveyard have you taken out the Indian music ?

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  4 месяца назад

      Hello, I don't understand your comment. Is it intended as an insult?

  • @walnutcape2622
    @walnutcape2622 Год назад +1

    Sa re ga ma pa > whole western

    • @neilchanmusic
      @neilchanmusic  Год назад +1

      I don't think one system is better than the other. Rather, they are quite different and each has it's strengths and weaknesses.

  • @CrakShak
    @CrakShak Год назад

    European music is for listening to, while Indo-Aryan music is for ambience

    • @praveenb9048
      @praveenb9048 3 месяца назад

      It depends what you grew up with or what you learned formally. I play Western classical, jazz etc for ambience, but listen to ICM. But it's not always so -- I do sometimes "listen" attentively to Western genres as well.