My dad was captured and tortured. Thankfully he came back home alive but with ptsd he actually came back as a different person. When the was in Ukraine started our familie's only worry was my dad cause he couldn't sleep he needed to be medicated for weeks cause his ptsd was horrible triggerd. Life above everything! 🇺🇦❤️🇭🇷
The Russian-Ukraine conflict is a lot bigger and unfortunately there are already a lot more dead there. The Serb attack on Croatia in 1991 was more brutal in some cases and marked by the indifference of most of the international community who actually were helping Serbia in the beginning by imposing an international arms embargo on Croatia.
No, the "international community" was allowing the smuggling of arms and shiploads of weapons to Croatia and BiH. The "international community" only spoke out when the JNA was gaining the upper hand. They would scream for it to go back to their barracks, which they obediently did, and then the Croat forces would start again. This is what happened in Vukovar with something like 19 ceasefires called in the 5.5 months of war, so every week/week-and-a-half there'd be another ceasefire. And Croatia death squads under TOMISLAV MERCEP were killing Vukovar Serbs civilians even before that war officially began. Serbs were being "arrested" and abducted, then taken to a fallout shelter where they were tortured, and then brought to the edge of a river and shot. The bodies of Serbs (and NO Croats) were washing up on the riverbanks in Croatia. This was also being done in Osijek by BRANIMIR GLAVAS and his men.
But they are in 1 way comparable..russians are actually no better than serbs were ukraine didnt take back much land but they found many many mass graves what i mean is they are senseless monsters just as serbs were
@@Marina-rt6ok isuse isuse isuse isuse zakopaj se koja bljezgarija je bila upravo napisana HRVATI PRIPREMALI? BAR 10 GODINA STE IMALI TO NA PAMETI NIKAKVA AMERIKA VI STE SVE POKRALI OD JUGE STA JE OSTALO A PRIJE STE SVE TRANAFERIRALI U SVOJE ĐEPOVE VI STE SE PEIPRWMALI GAMAD
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO WIN THE MEDIA WAR!!!! This helped us a lot here in Croatia!!!! When you will have enough weapons and trained soldiers, the victory will be around the corner.
@@RonDianipalestine didnt win because they are actally politicaly not correct palestine has support only because we are such good people literally as soon as israel gave them the territory they started sending rockets every day id delete them from face of the map
Hrvoje, first country which recognised Croatia's independence was Slovenia. Both countries (Slovenia & Croatia) mutually recognised each-other right after declaring independence which they both did 25.6.1991, that's why Croatia is also the first country which recognised Slovenia's independence.
Slovenia was the frist unrecognized state to recognize Croatia, Ukraine was the first UN state to recognize Croatia, Iceland was the first NATO country to recognize Croatia.
@@jobrock1079 You Serbs are spewing hate propaganda towards all your neighbours for at least last 30 years now.Don't you ever get tired of it?What is wrong with you people???
@@mariocroatia9321 It is true, as I stick with most all Serbian videos, but the others intrude. This Ukrainian guy here was in Serbia before Croatia and has a video from there and there are Albanians and others plaguing it. I can understand if something is POLITICAL that the other side would want to stick up for themselves, but when it is even a folk or traditional song and the Muslims and Croats say something abusive and ruin most every video, then they are more aggressive. The reason Serbs are on THIS video is this guy made a provocative video in Serbia just before, and so people started to look at his channel, and here he is justifying Tudjman's severe ethnic cleansing of the Serbs population, which was aided by the U.S. (MPRI) and foreign powers. Even UN officers said they took weapons from Serbs which were the very weapons they needed to save their lives. The UN didn't defend the Serb villages after disarming them, they stepped aside and allowed Croats to kill them. The Medak Pocket for example was witnessed by Canadian soldiers, but they didn't save the lives of any Serbs nor prevent it from being completely destroyed.
Wow, I didn't know the exact details of the war in Croatia, like that part about the peaceful reintegration of the eastern part. But, I'm assuming that was only possible due to the show of force during those operations when most of the territory was liberated. This only goes to show that as long as you're willing to stand and fight for your country, the west is willing to support you. That's just how it is. No way around it. There are many similarities indeed and this could last a long time. That said, the Ukrainians have shown incredible morale and willingness to defend their country, it's really inspiring. They are also utilizing our weapons very effectively. Keep it up guys, Europe supports you!
Yes, after the operation "Storm". There was a option for Serbians, peaceful reintegration of the eastern part or the operation "Thunder". The plan was to have three operations, where only first two have been launched "Bljesak" ( Flash ) - "Oluja" ( Storm ) - "Grom" ( Thunder ), which would write B.O.G. ( God ).
After Operation Storm in 2995, Croatian Army Brigades pushed into Western Bosnia and inflicted repeated major defeats on Bosnian Serb forces in a co-ordinated campaign with the Army of BiH. These defeats made Belgrade push Serbs in Eastern Croatia to accept a peace deal because Croatia had built up a substantial military with strong offensive cababilities by the autumn on 1995.
The only reason why the eastern part was peacefully reintegrated @Alex Larsen, was that there where 3 Armies in Croatia: The Croatian Army, Croatian Serb Army (Serbs born in Croatia, 10% of entire population in Croatia) and Army of Yugoslavia. It's one thing to fight against you're own ethnic minority army and another against a country that had fought wars against: The Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungary, German Empire, Nazi-Germany and won all those wars! The only reason why there was a "peaceful reintegration" was because that part was under control of the Army of Yugoslavia. When asked about what would happen if the Serbs (Yugoslav Army) reacted during the "Storm" operation, Croatian General Petar Stipetic said "Well, we could hold on for a few days" and Croatian President Franjo Tudman said in 1999 when Yugoslavia was doing partial mobilisation in the face of the NATO bombing, that Croatia will seek the protection of the US if attacked by them. Why would he said that if Croatia has won a war against Serbia (FR of Yugoslavia at that time), very simple, they didn't!
@@David-210what are you talking about, you win nothing. Otomans had no problem with you, you were their allies. You were their robbers from behind. You start fightinig against otomans after their defeats and retreating. Like it was balkan wars and then you did nothing but only becouse Bulgarian, Greece and others. Croatian kingdom with other christians brothers defend europe almost 500years when you were their slaves for 500 years, you can see it by your darker skin or by turkish hat of your grandpa. Germany broke yugoslavija in one week . AUSTRO HUNGARIAN same, Croatians were in Belgrade in one week. Every time you are fleeeing from real battles. You egzist only becouse your masonic rulers in UK. You can beat only unarmed civilians. And yes, we defat on battlefield Serbia(yugoslavia) And if you ask yourself why shelling didnt start from "originaly" serbian teritory its becouse then, we can get permission to enter in your teritory but Slobo was smarter then you. He did not want complete serbian kapitulation. In Croatia when someone lying to you we say to him you are laying like serbs. 😂
Ukraine is much, much larger. That's the difference. The war in Croatia was brutal. Mass extermination of civilians, mass graves, ethnic cleansing and literal genocide in Bosnia, with the idea of creating Greater Serbia and access to the sea/ocean.
@@Делија1989 There's perspective and there's facts and it's sad that almost 30 years after the war, you Serbs would rather believe in conspiracy theories and alternative facts instead of the truth. Imagine if Germany still made excuses and denied starting WWII and the Holocaust, by saying it's just their own "perspective"?
The two conflicts are only similar on a very surface level, it's actually a pretty insulting and reductionist comparison to make. If Croatia had received this much western support and armaments back in the 90's rather than an arms embargo, the entire region would look a lot different today.
There are similarities and differencies. Similarities: the Serbs did not want to accept a sovereign Croatia and were refusing to acknowledge an own Croatian identity. The same thing is the case with Russians towards Ukraine. Framing the Croats as fascists, just like the Russians do to Ukrainians. Differences: basically this what you mentioned. Croatia was not welcomed as a sovereign state, was under an international arms embargo and the international recognition happened only after Croatia proved to be able to maintain its independence by force. European and U.S. support for Croatia happened gradually. The intelligence provided by the U.S. was of significant importance to end the war as well as to conclude the Agreements of Erdut (the peaceful reintegration of Eastern Slavonia into Croatia) and Dayton (in order to end the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina.) Still, baer in mind that in 1991, 10 days before Ukraine would declare independence, the U.S President George Bush Senior visited Kyiv in order to persuede Ukrainians not to opt for independence, but to stay in the Soviet Union. In 1994 Washington and London were pushing Ukraine (as well as Belarus and Kazakhstan) to abandon their nuclear arsenal to the benefit of Russia in exchange of security assurances regarding the sovereignity and independence of the country within the existing borders. The agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances was not honored by its garantors.
From someone who participated in the war in Croatia on the front line (on both sides by fate), I can say that Putin fully copied serbian Slobodan Milošević's plan of annexing parts of Croatia. The first difference was that at the start of the war we had almost no weapons, no one wanted to sell it (because of US sponsored arms embargo), let alone to gave it us. Another thing, which may happen in Ukraine too, is that the world community tried to "legalize" the Serbian occupation through the Z4 plan. But to Milošević's surprise, local serbs rejected the plan and Croats had huge will to fight, so his plan failed - which I truly hope will be also case with Ukraine! Another difference, maybe the most important, is that when we were liberating the occupied territories, Serbian Yugoslavia neither wanted nor could interfere because it was politically, militarily and economically too weak (Milosevic also fear then that NATO may attack them if they openly interfere), which may unfortunately not be the case with Russia as a nuclear superpower.
Thats bs, you croatians did the same as ukrainians, removing all rights, schools and language from Serbs living in ADMINISTRATIVE REPUBLIC CALLED CROATIA in old Yugoslavia
When the Ottoman Turks captured Serbia the Ottoman Turkish Sultan Bayezid I took a Serbian wife, Maria Olivera Lazarević ( known in Turkish as: Despina Hatun). Bayezid I then proceeded to give all the Serbian nobility Turkish wives to keep them loyal. In a few decades the Serbian nobility ceased to exist and Serbia became part of the Ottoman Turkish "Eyalet of Rumelia" for many centuries.
Back in 1990s when Croats, Ukrainians and Russians fought as slavic brothers against ottoman children (so-called serbs) who burned hagia sophia back in 1453, like many other orthodox and catholic churches with there turkish masters...and killed and rp MILLIONS of christian people for there turkish masters... Today we are all separsted by politicians...unfortnately
@@ognjenhub zasto vi srbi morate biti u svakom komentaru? ljubomora ubija... jednostavno procitas komentar i ides dalje,sta se palis odmah.. ljubomora je zajebana stvar vidim
@@duelsensei635 Čekaj ti si pročitao moj komentar i napalio se,i onda mn kažeš da se ja palim.Ja samo iznosim činjenice da su hrvati i ukrainci počinili neverovatne zločine nad Srbima i Rusima.
I love how Europeans care about their history.. the average American has no idea about any history and don't like to think deeply about anything.. it may be a generalization, but its true.
@bobjones6649 An average EU citizen is so "educated" he's even more clueless about history than his American counterpart. That's why he votes for woke parties.
As a half Ukrainian - half Croat I appreciate you coming to my hometown of Zagreb... I have family in Ukraine, some of them are in the occupied territory (Nova Kahovka) and we haven't heard from them.. Others are in Zaporizhia, some have left for Swiss... I just wanna say that Lavov is the soul of Ukraine. I've been there, I've eaten the food, met the people, its history is awesome, I really love Lavov 👍 ... Also, I want to point out that we Croats mostly support Ukraine (like 95%) but there's Croat-Serbs that mostly don't... So be vigilant when talking to somone "From Croatia" about Ukraine because a lot of Serbs (mostly Bosnian-Serbs and Croat-Serbs) love their Russian "brothers" and don't have anything but eastern propaganda to say about Ukraine...all the best to you, hope you visit Slavonija, Vukovar has many wartime museums and there is a section about Ukrainian soldiers during our war 👍
To be honest there is a significant minority of (younger) Serbs who support Ukraine; (ethnic) Croats can be manipulated by Kremlin propaganda too (especially boomers, like 60-70 yrs old generation like Vedrana Rudan or Zoran Milanovic).
We really support you and send help. Stay strong Ukraine. I hope politicians of EU will stop calculating and totally start to support Ukraine to get rid of this Russian hell.
What is one more difference is that at same time there was very complicated war in Bosnia and Herzegovina which influenced war in Croatia, for example we receieved many refugees from Bosnia and also attack from Bosnia side was crucial for liberation of Knin, also in Bosnia there was bloody Croat vs Mislim Bosniak war and also Muslim vs Muslim war and on top of that in some areas there were even better relations between Serbs and Croats than Croats and Bosniaks, one of reasons that International community was looking with aproval towards operation Storm was Srebrenica Massacre and chance that that, happens in Bihać and operation Storm would break the Bihać siege and stop another Srebrenica, things just came together. Also Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan for peacefull reintegration . Btw that Croats vs Bosniak war was one very fierce war within war, only when that war stopped tide against Serbs changed.
Dali se slazes sa Z4? Vidis po tom planu moj osijek bi bio srbija. Serem se na takav "mirovni" sporazum. Sto nije ponudjen zagreb, a ne osijek i ostali gradovi??
@@stipe3124 a zasto je uopce nudjen??? Lako je sa tudjim k.. gloginje mlatiti. Kratko i jasno "zagreb" nas je htijeo prodati. Nisam balonja i sijecam se svega. Dok je na moj grad padalo preko tisucu projektila dnevno, dok je cijela slavonija i baranja gorila, dok su ljudi muceni, zene i djeca silovana. "Zagreb" (pod zagreb, mislim vlada) da spasi svoju guzicu, pokusava prodati guzicu svog naroda
Croatians vs Serbians 1:2 Ukrainians vs Russians 1:4 Croatian state - independence declared in the middle of the war Ukraine - independent 30 years before war Cro leaders - not smart enough to avoid war but smart enough to negotiate truces (war started in '91, constant peace talks, from 92-mid'95 small scale fighting in order to avoid unecessary victims and prepare for final battle) and smart enough to win at the end (victory both in final 5days battle "Oluja" and in peaceful reintegration by negotiations). More focused on Croatian interests. UA leaders - not smart enough to avoid war, not smart enough to achieve truce (constant fighting - no peace talks?) and we will see for final outcome. More focused on foreign interests? CRO army - non existing at the start (mostly police forces, territorial defence units disarmed just before the war), Serbian full of weapons but a bit unorganized ('91 in transition from Yugoslav to fully Serbian) UA army - stronger but Russia is well organized and armed (and planned attack). NATO/EU - empose arms embargo on Croatia (it almost drown us in '91). NATO/EU - helping Ukraine. Arming Croatia - taking from the enemy (sourrounding of Jugoslav army bases in Croatia) and smuggling Arming Ukraine - buying on the market + help from collective West Possible oucomes: Croatian scanario - Ukraine win and kick Russian forces out of country Bosnian scenario - part of Ukraine under Ukrainian (like Federation B&H) and part as separate entity within Ukraine but under Russian control (like Republic Srpska) Serbian scenario - truce achieved. Russian keeps the territory taken by war and consider it Russian and Ukraine call it occupied territory. Both sides wait for a better chance for second round once in future. Just like today Kosovo consider itself independent and Serbia consider it as a part of Serbia.. I find Serbian scenario most likely...
Ukraine its just biger in scale .. everything is x 10. .. Ukr. 40 mil , cro is 4 mil, Mariupol is 500k plp, Vukovar is 40k plp ... Croatia was just intro in present war... very similar just smaller in scale .. like Bonsai tree :) ... world have enough time to prepare for this war, almost 30 yrs .. but are they prepared for this? .. Noone take Yugoslav war sireusly, we was too small for world ... but ... ;)
as a veteran of the war in Croatia, I sincerely hope that Croatia will not be an example for you, Ukrainian fighters. after the war and our victory, we had to grant forgiveness to all Serbian fighters, rebuild their houses, give them pensions, include them in the government, forgive them for the crimes they committed... after the war, and because of disappointment in Croatian politicians, more than 3,500 war veterans committed suicide in Croatia.
@@malosutra511 u are full of shit, croats are not the victims. they are the winners they have a pure catholic state now without serbs or muslims, unlike before oluja
Be careful when you are shopping military stuff, because some things (even things you would not expect) can be real military products for army and it's banned to transport it from the country or even illegal to sell or buy it, but sellers very often don't know about that or they just don't care, I don't think someone will care about some shoes or something, but I heard that people can have problems when they are trying to transport bulletproof vests or radio stuff. Here in Czechia, I heard about buy who bought some radio in military shop and then police visited him after he was playing with that for some time. 😀
The similar situation between two wars is: serbian minority expected to take over a huge part of Croatia, the serbian planed border would be the line between the cities Virovitica, Karlovac, Ogulin, Karlobar. (I am not sure, just I guess the Croatia would loose ca. 50% of the teritory). The plan didn't work as expected since the Croats gave with a little and week weapons strong resistance. When you (as Croats) fight for your own home, then you have huge motivation. The serbs explained the attacks, they would help the serbs in Croatia. Ukraine is much bigger, but the same cause of the war, the same motivation just to save country. The Ukrain forces do not attack russia and they don't plan to take over a part of russia. This is my point of view and of the most countries of this small world.
there is so many difference between war Ukraine-Russia and Croatia-Serbia...first Russia have said there are two things that will not be allowed,as it is already so agreed with major powers - no Nuclear missiles on Ukraine soil and no Nato alliance in Ukraine,everything else is allowed... Ukraine could expand in mutual cooperation and science collaboration with Russia,there are credits given from Russia with much better interests than from EU, the best energy and gas prices are given etc...and Selensky have aaaalll thrown away that Ukraine make war with Russia in order to give Ukraine to Black Rock ( of course Selensky will be paid offcon the end of the story,Selensky knows,he could not win the war,but purpose is anyway to make Ukraine vasal State to Black Rock and such Powers...)...and by us Serbia have taken all mutual arms and start to war...we did not have any benefits from Serbia regarding privilege gas prices or low interest credits (it is funny just think about it...),we had embargo on arms etc...Ukraine should thrown away Selensky immediately and start negotiation with Russia....this solution for Ukraine my fellow...otherwise Ukraine will be ripped a part,unfortunately....Selensky is the man that works contra Ukraine and for dark Powers in shadow if the war
Wars are terrible everywhere. But, the main difference is that Croatia separated from Yugoslavia, but Ukraine did not separate from Russia, it was already an independent state.
Slovenia, bosnia, kosovo, macedonia separsted from yugoslavia aswell, and serbs started war in almost all of this countries...but Sure serbs playing victims and blaming croats, but what did croats in kosovo?
Gle što se tiće rata u Hrvatskoj Slobodan milošević je bio direktor jugo banke u americi i on je bio otpočetka američki igrač i kad nije ispunio obećanje oni su ga kiruškim potezom makli nakon Kosova 1999 godine
@@mybad2603 you mean just like bosniaks saved Croats from life in Lužani,Gusti Grab,Dusina,Konjic,Šušanj,Trusina,Bilivode,Grm,Miletići,Čukle,Krpeljići,Maljine,Vitez,Kraljeva Sutjeska,Drenovnik,Slapnica,Busovačke Staje,Ljubunci,Vrbanja,Doljani,Bugojno,Kiseljak,Zabilje,Grabovica,Vrbica,Uzdol,Hudutsko,Kopijari,Vareš,Fojnica,Križančevo Selo,Buhine Kuće......?
gotovo ti je, možeš samo plakat, i ljudi su vam otišli i to ne sa silom, tko je htio je ostao i ništa im se nije desilo, al ostali valjda nisu htjeli, valjda im se zastava nije sviđala pa pobjegli 🤣
@@podlumpy3838 Oni Koji su postali su muceni,ubijani... Zastava je ustadka...fasisticka... A plakati mogu mogu I saw srpskom vojskomfoci Kada bude dosla....
Did you know that in a mid 19th century Austro-Hungarian census, there were more Slovenes in the Empire than Croats. Where did all these Croats emerge from subsequently ?
Many people from these parts considered/identified themselves Austrian while under the Austro-Hungarian rule. When that went away, many identified as Croatians again. It's normal to have the citizenship of the country you live in. If the country changes, many change their citizenship.
@@jamesdean1143 did you know that in the mid of the 19 cenutry...there were more turks, albanians and also arabs then serbs in serbia and montenegro? Read up demohraphy of evliya celebi an ottoman traveller...
In order to understand war in Yugoslavia first you have to know constitution of SFRJ and then all political parties and their involvements in it. A lot of laws have been broken by both Serbs and Croatians and others, one wanted to keep everyone together (Milosevic) because serbs were majority and he would be in power for very long time as long as he have serbs on his side, and Croats wanted their own country to be self govern at all cost, and that cost was war. that part were Milosevic wanted them all together because serbs were majority and he would always win is the reason why the wars were so bloody, because serbs knew if they are left in croatia without their own republic they would be under threat because they would never have their own that can win in politics, the same case was in Bosnia,... everyone was offered to join EU + money and what not, but croatians were first to refuse, and Milosevic words were: either we go in EU as Yugoslavia or everyone can do what ever they wanted, i think bosnians were somewhat more reasonable but still wanted to have central government in Bosnia (small Yugoslavia) which wasn't an option in that time My personal opinion is: if you decide to go to war then go all the way and do what ever is necessary to win if not then there is no point starting a war, and killing everyone is not winning the war, war is about economy and land but you still need people for both economy and that land, land without people is useless, War in Yugoslavia was unnecessary in my opinion, serbs could have peacefully through EU gain more, if motivated enough even their own republics in Croatia and Bosnia and Kosovo would have been physically still part of Serbia, Serbian economy would now been probably close to Check Republic (GDPP) , war is dangerous game
There are lots of similarities but major differences . Main similarity is the involvement of the US/NATO/EU and their protagonism of war . They want the war to continue to antagonize Russia and test their weapons which is why they are making big weapons promises to Ukraine with many provocative actions but delivering very slow and deliberate. Another similarity is the legacy and new political factions on both sides that create conflict with their maximalist and centralized demands. The main difference is the terrain and the drone technology along with heavier weapons. Black Sea and Dnieper River area is very flat and impossible to hide and defend which makes it tempting to be on the attack mode. Adriatic Sea area is mostly mountainous and and hilly with natural borders so it favors defense instead of an attack. The other difference is drones which didn't exist then which makes this war much more offensive and harder to stop and take the break. Drones along with much heavier weapons is why this war is more deadlier and favors offense. As for direct comparison , yes there are many. Croatia and Ukraine were/are desperately western and are supported by nato/eu/usa but Serbia was surrounded and economically destroyed by sanctions and they had to give up. Russia is not surrounded despite attempts and it can survive sanctions unabated and it has nukes and other extreme weapons. These differences make it impossible for Ukraine to win militarily so they can only do attritional warfare at the behest of EU/USA . Ukraine wins by quitting and surrendering now . NATO wins by prolonging this conflict as much as possible. Russia wins by keeping NATO as far away as possible. Take your pick .
Kakve gluposti pises???? Nitko nije napravio invaziju na srbiju za tvoju informaciju, hrvatska je imala embargo na oruzije, a vi ste nam uzeli sve i razrusili drzavu. Sada zamisli, kada smo u bez oruzija i bez nata oslobodili sve i ponovno iz pepela izgradili drzavu i opet ste iza nas. Samo ta cinjenica je dovoljna da vidis koliko ste jadni
Your friend Hrvoje failed to mention a couple of things: 1) federal republic of Croatia under the constitution of Yugoslavia had the right to secession only if all of the constituent peoples living in it chose to do so 2) Serbs were 1 of 2 constituent peoples, counting for 12% of the population, and they chose against secession 3) When Croatian politicians ignored the law and pushed for secession anyway with hard far-right rhetoric Serbs took up weapons and started an uprising fearing the repeat of the genocide from World War 2 4) Croatian "independence fighters" comited a huge number of war crimes including mass murders in villages, shooting at refugee columnns and an all out ethnyc cleansing where 500.000 people were driven from their homes and had their assets and posessions seized 4) To this day Croats celebrate their domestic nazis from World War 2, salute the nazi greeting at every oportunity and celebrate the violent expulson of 500.000 of their countrymen as national holiday
of course. Just like Ukraine has been bombing Donbass for all these 8 years with nazi saluting. Just less than 100 people were killed in this non-existen shellings, but who care if your bot work brings money.
croatia did alott of war crimes but they like to claim that only serbs did war crimes. both of my great grand parents on my serbian side were over 90 years old when they got beheaded by croats. They were not a threat to anyone yet they still got killed. Of course im not saying serbs are innocent because many war criminals were also serbs especially in bosina. and there were many bosnian war criminals as well. But people like to blame serbia completely even tho serbia is not the reason the war started
Of course the Serb came to pretend to be smart 1: the Serbs were never a constituent people in Croatia 2: there is no evidence for the so-called crimes of the Croatian army, the only crimes committed by the Croatian side were committed by individuals and there were very few of them, especially in comparison with Serbian organized crimes in Croatia and Bosnia 3: Milošević organized that escape and this is known, in fact the Croats distributed food and water to those people who were not forced by anyone 4: the Croatian greeting is older, more precisely it goes back to the fight with the Turks when Nikola Šubić Zrinski said that greeting 4: I don't know what you were thinking when you started writing comments like this when you know it's a lie, and on a video where there will be mostly Croats, how are you not ashamed at all
The Croatians were the only ones fighting the Serbs successfully in Bosnia. The Bosnian muslims were losing every battle and running away into Croatia. In fact Croatia took in 300,000 Bosnian muslim refugees who were fleeing from the Serbs.
@@northernstar4811- Croats killed 30,000 Muslims in Bosnia and were condemned in DemHaag for it.That's why I asked the author of this propaganda pamphlet 'What did the Croats Armydo in Bosnia'???
@@northernstar4811 Yet the Croats fought with the Bosnian Muslims in 1993, and when they were surrounded, they asked Serbs for help, and Serbs allowed the surrounded Croats to leave, and with their weapons through their (Serbian) lines. These same Croats that were saved from probably extermination, repaid this favor by attacking Serbs in Croatia AND into Bosnia during "Operation Storm". And, by the way, a Scottish mercenary who fought in the Croat HVO and Special forces against BOTH Serbs and then Bosnian Muslims, was most shocked by what the Bosnian Muslims did to the Croat villages in central Bosnia. He saw that the Muslims would deliberately mutilate the civilians, including mothers and infants, and even the animals. For him, the Bosnian Muslims were the most brutal and cruel. His experience in fighting the Serbs was mostly regular fighting, while he admitted killing civilians, including Serb and Muslim females. Generally if a figure was walking near or close to his lines, he would shout that person down, rather than take chances. These mercenaries like him were able to kill Bosnian civilians (from all sides) and get away Scot-free.
The Croats were in an alliance with the Bosniaks for most of the war. The Croat-Bosniak war lasted for only one year (1993-1994). In 1992 and 1994-1995, the Croats defended Bosnia and liberated half of the country from Serbian aggression, Croatia also took in hundreds of thousands of Bosniak refugees. Also, 30,000, really? 10,000 Bosniaks and Croats died in the Bosniak-Croat war, so that's 10% of the total casualties from the Bosnian War. The majority of Bosniaks and Croats (soldiers and civilians) were killed by the Serbs.
Hrvati i Ukrajinci su isti,povod za rat je isti,jer Hrvati su Srbe izbrisali kao konstitivni narod,kao sto su i Ukropi..... jedina razlika je sto Milosevic nije poslao vojsku a Putin deluje
Wrong analogy with Croatia, if you were familiar with the genocide of the Serbs of Croatia in WW2, you wouldn’t make any such comparison. The situation regarding present day Ukraine is indeed reminiscent of Yugoslavia back in the 1990’s when Bill Clinton ordered NATO to attack that sovereign nation. Like Ukraine, Yugoslavia was at that time battling against separatists on its southern most territory. Bill Clinton ordered NATO to attack Yugoslavia to assist the KLA separatists and to effect regime change in Yugoslavia. Putin is using the same Clinton pretext of defending a separatists region of Ukraine and also attempting to facilitate a regime change in Ukraine. Putin’s actions should be condemned just as Clinton should have been condemned for attacking the sovereign nation of Yugoslavia. Seeing it in any other light would be absolutely hypocritical
Well, the Serbs themselves are guilty of the Ustasha crimes in WW2, if Serbia had not led a dictatorship, everyone would be happy, let me remind you, the Ustashes were created because of that, and Croatia had the right to leave Yugoslavia without any war, but that did not suit the Serbs
"Wrong analogy with Croatia, if you were familiar with the genocide of the Serbs of Croatia in WW2..." Can you name one town in Croatia where the Usatsha organisation wiped out all the Serbs? Should be very easy for you if that was true...
The first antifascist organised military movement in Europe started in Croatia by Croatians on 22nd of June 1941 called Partisans. My late grandfather Mile Buljan joined them at the age of 16. His village Bitelić and town Sinj, all of its area was called Little Moscow. Later, my mother family village of Jasenice near town Zadar was burned down in 1991. and civilians were slaughtered by local Serbs who said Croatia Does not exist, everything is Great Serbia. Serbian army marched upon our towns and villages, my mother was a refugee, croatian army never went to Serbia to fight, we only defended our land.
@@magdalenabuljan7219 I'm from a Croat antifascist family myself. My grandfahters fought The Nazis,Fascist Italians,The Ustase,Serbian Chetniks.... There were aound 150.000-200.000 Croat antifascists
How do we imagine that attack on "Croatia" today? Croatians were armed for long time and illegally declared independence trying with violence to claim Serbian populated areas. It was not a country, it was part of Yugoslavia and by law it had 2 constitutional nations, equally Serbs and Croats. Serbian army never attacked. It was obvious lie, but Serbs were attacked in their homes, their country and had to defend. Serbs were there since forever and they already suffer genocides in the past from Hitler's puppet creation, first Croatia. Some time Yugoslav national army had some activities. It was official army of legal country trying to calm separatists. That army was equally army of Croats and other parts of Yugoslavia. It was led mostly by Croats. To start with Tito. This was for those who like truth as Croatia as a state and those events are biggest worlds lie with ONLY Serbs ethnically cleansed with help of the Western countries. Final attack was on UN protected area populated by Serbs. Whole truth in short for those who like truth more than Hollywood scenarios. Now you are free to spin again as much as you want.
Serbs bombed croatian City vukovar 3 months...aswell as dubrovnik 9 months... Serbs also did a genocide on bosniaks and albanians...and ethnic cleansed hundred-thousands of innocent bosniak and albanian children
dude, croatia was muchhh better off under Yugoslavia then it is right now. Right now its a dying nation, all its population is moving out and leaving, birthrates are in the negative, and foreigners from germany and other countries are buying up all the property in croatia.... within 2 to 3 decades, there will be nothingggg croatian left in croatia.
Hahahhah comment from Serbs, you don't know shit. Yes we we one of riches republics in Yugoslavia and where our money was going, in Macedonia, south Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, our tourist money to Beograd. We are better than ever now
@@pavolovric2943 . Croatia is second porest contry in EU ..only Bulgaria is worst ...in Yugoslav time Croatia was much richer then any other EU member from East Europe apart from Slovenia who was also in Yugoslavia ..
@@b.s.7181 its strange how so many croats hate Yugoslavia and think that Yugoslavia was against them, meanwhile, The dictator Leader of yugoslavia was Half croat half slovenian and everything he did he did for the benefit of those 2 groups, its why literally all the factories and everything was located in those 2 countries and why they prospered the most. Any money that went to belgrade went straight into titos personal army and not to the serbian people. In fact, Serbia was the only country in Yugoslavia that didnt have any benefits as Tito literally gave entire southern serbia to albanians and serbs are still suffering today because of it. Plus tito didnt give serbia any access to the sea like he did with others.
@@pavolovric2943 im mixture of both serb and croat, but im mostly croat and plus i born in croatia so was everyone that i know going back over 600 years. I was born in 1989 which means im older than many people in croatia which means that there are birth certificates and paperwork held by croatias government that proves that I was a Croatian before most of you even existed 🤣 plus i have light eyes and hair so there is no traces of Turkish in me... can other croats say that?
Yes there are similarities between conflicts in former Yugoslavia (between Serbs and Croats) аnd former USSR (between Russians and Ukrainians). 1. Croats becomed from Serbs ( Croats are Serbs forced to convert from Orthodox to Catholic religion. Ukrainians becomed from Russians ( Ucrainians are converted Rusians) 2. During ww2 borh in Croatia and Ucraine there was very strong NAZI regimes which committed genocide ( leader of Croatian NAZI regime was Pavelic and leader of Ukrainian NAZI regime was Bandera) 3. In both countries Croatia and Ukraina today NAZI ideology is still alive and very active. 3. During ww2 and from 1991-1995 Croats committed genocide against local Serbian population (starting by denying themselves right to use language, banning their organizations, banning their cultural identity, banning their rights to work and forcing them out from their works and forcing them to convert from Orthodox to Catholic religion and thus become Croats) In Ukraine it was the same in DNR and LNR and in whole Ukraine. After the USA backed coup in 2014. Ukraine denied rights to Russian speaking people. They banned opposition TV stations, forbidden opposition political parties, tried to rewrite history of ww2, the same like Croats does. 4. Croatia have Ustasa NAZI moovment and Ukraine have Azov, Ajdar, Right Sector, NAZI moovment. ( Just check tatoos of the Azov members and see what happened in Canadian parliament) 5. Both NAZI moovment members in Croatia and Ukraine was supported and founded from foreign countries. Both NAZI moovments in Croatia and Ukraine was ready for crimes like burning people alive ( Croatian Ustase did it in the church of Glina and Ukrainian NAZIST did it in Odesa) The list of Croatian and Ukrainisn similarities are endless but also there are some differences like Serbs was without nuclear wepons. About differences will scribe in another post.
1. Croats are clearly slavs while serbs are slavized turks, albanians (vasojevici tribe) and gypsys...just Look at serbian genetic (E1b1b + J) 2. Serbs did the biggest gnosd in the history of balkans (srebrenica, vukovar, kosovo) officially recognized by the UN. - 200.000 croats and other non-serbs (czechs, slovaks, hungarians etc.) ethnic cleansed in by serbs - 800.000 bosniaks and croats ethnic cleansed by serbs (srebrenica, bijeljina, sarajevo, kozravac, prijedor, foca, visegrad, zvornik, banja luka, jajce, posavina etc.) - 1.000.000 albanians and kosovars ethnic cleansed by serbs in 1998-1999
Two gayest tocking about war and, don't meshing real recommendations for war I bout places. This is not good tocking because most of isn't thru You didn't menshion reson way Serbien people raise agenst, and also Ukraininen gay didn't mensch way Rusian make uprising in Dombas.
@ajmo-fi7mj I must to disappointed you. Croatian ustashe was catch in 1988 when important weapons for family against Serbien people on Croatia hu in that time not gave any whepons and not even think that any war is possible. Croatian prefer for this war for many years.And Aldo Don,'t forgot that in this time , before recognizing Croatia and Slovenia , that was Yugoslav army in wich was all nationality, and frst attacks in Slovenia was on yang Yugoslav army soldiers hu didn have real munition and in many cases they was kill in very brutal way , and poor yang guys they didn't even now that war is start. Is very sad is that many people and jurnalist they start report from middle of conflict, forgetting haw exely everitin start
@@Marina-rt6ok acrually yugoslav army was the 4th strongest army in europe...and in 1986 serbian nationalist rallies started in croatia and kosovo woth the Plans to create a great serbia and kll all non-serbs from balkans just facts...
@ajmo-fi7mj I vriky must stop communicating with you. You are the same troll or this us your job to kaing I the internet. What you raithong us absolutely stupidity and not thru. Repit absolutely not thru, and this can support even CIA , MI . BND documents . So before you wish to interact In discussion , please educate yourself.
@@Marina-rt6ok Vidim dati ne ide Engleski pa pročitaj nešto: 12.2.1988. Komitet srpskih akademika zahteva stvaranje "srpske autonomne oblasti" na teritoriji SR BiH i SR Hrvatske 28. 2. 1989. u Kninu su bili prosvjedi protiv navodnoj hrvatskoj i slovenskoj potpori "albanskom separatizmu". 4.3.1989. Udruženje književnika Srbije diskutuje o mržnji prema Srbima u Hrvatskoj, Sloveniji i na Kosovu. Vuk Drašković pominje "zapadne srpske granice". 28.3.1989. Doneseni amandmani na Ustav SR Srbije, kojima je praktično ukinuta autonomija dve pokrajine, ali Srbija zadržava njihova mesta u Predsedništvu. 28.6.1989 Najmasovniji zbor na Gazimestanu, Milošević govori o "bitkama" koje predstoje. 9. 7. 1989. kod pravoslavne crkve Lazarice na Kosovu Polju kod Knina organiziran je veliki miting potpore Miloševiću, propraćen velikosrpskim parolama, uz "oko 50.000 osoba", pretežno iz Srbije, pristiglih u vise od 1500 autobusa. 14.7.1989. Na sastanku Udruženja književnika u Beogradu, Vuk Drašković poziva na stvaranje Krajine u Hrvatskoj. 26.1.1990. Veljko Kadijević zahteva uvećanje broja vojnog osoblja stacioniranog u Sloveniji. JNA stvara vojni plan za akciju na teritorijama sa etnički izmešanim stanovništvom (BiH i Hrvatska). 21.3.1990. Srbi oko Zadra prave noćne straže, koje čak kontrolišu autobuse. 26.3.1990. Srpsko vođstvo se sastaje da razmotri situaciju u Jugoslaviji i slaže se da je rat u Hrvatskoj i BiH neizbežan. (jako zanimljivo...u Hrvatska je jos uvijek jedna od saveznih republika s komunistima na vlasti) 26.4.1990. Sastanak između Borisava Jovića, budućeg predsednika predsedništva i sekretara za odbranu Veljka Kadijevića, koji izveštava da je JNA spremna za akciju u Sloveniji i Hrvatskoj. (kad vec pricamo o narodnoj vojsci) 8.6.1990. JNA stvara nove brigade u okolini Zagreba, Knina, Banje Luke i u Hercegovini. 28.6.1990. Slobodan Milošević kaže predsedniku SFRJ Borisavu Joviću da on misli da bi "raspad Hrvatske trebalo izvesti tako da Zajednica opština Slavonije, Dalmacije, i Like ostane sa naše strane granice". 29.6.1990. Sabor RH donosi ustavne promene temeljem kojih Hrvatska više nije "Socijalistička" Republika, usvojeni su novi privremeni zastava i grb ("šahovnica"). 30.6.1990. Vladimir Šeks, potpredsednik Hrvatskog sabora, kaže da SFRJ mora postati konfederacija. 25.7.1990. Veliki miting u Srbu, SDS proglašava nezavisnost Srba u Hrvatskoj i stvaranje Srpskog nacionalnog vijeća. 31.7.1990. Na prvom sastanku Srpskog nacionalnog vijeća u Hrvatskoj, doneta je odluka da je potreban referendum o srpskoj autonomiji u Hrvatskoj. Hrvatska vlada zabranjuje takav referendum Milan Babić je izabran za predsednika vijeća. 17.8.1990. Krajinski Srbi započinju Balvan revoluciju. 18.8.1990. Jugoslovenska vlada i JNA zahtevaju da Hrvatska ne preduzima akcije protiv srpskih pobunjenika.
@@amandasmith6342 You're the one who replay to me, not the opposite. If this words disturbe you so deeply, then you should not involve in any comments. If you are such a young person, then I would be worried what the f*"' I'm doin' here, and especially in summer time. My comment was humoristic, and tells that not everybody, not even in Croatia, cares so much abou Ukr, simply because it's not their war. You should relax and have more sense of humor. But, to whom I'm talking... You are probably Orest, chatin' from another profile.🤣🤣🤣
Its unbelievable how some of my countryman Serbs are enthusiastic about Russian shiths. As someone (and its very rare in my country) who went both westward and eastward I really dont understand what is good in Russia.
@@tomislavv2635 Nop. Not enthusiastic abot Russia too. I really dont dont understand how you come up with this conclusion. But this Ukr. think of west as some idealistic safehaven. P S. And you're not Serb👍
@@milansavic2803 Јесам друже Србин сам и након тога што сам обишао цео свет, не могу да верујем, а истина је, да код нас има људи који мисле да се у Русији боље живи него на западу, да је руско оружје јаче од америчког, да је будућност наша и наше деце да уђемо у савез са Русијом и Белорусијом...итд. Запад можда није рај, али је најбољи економски и политички систем који постоји, наш човек који нажалост није путовао у то неверује, а кад му се једном укаже прилика да то види, тада, опет нажалост остаје тамо.
Kad cujem da se toliko razbacujes sa time da si bio po celome svetu, zaista pomislim da nisi bio nigde. Al', aj', verujem ti. Samo ne znam zasto mislis da svi ostali nisu bili nigde i videli nista. Apsolutno sam saglasan sa svim sto si rekao u poslednjoj poruci, al se ne radi o tome ovde. Rec je o licemerju zapada, pogotovo Sad, koji nakon 2 sv.rata., su napali ne znam koliko zemalja i upravo.na tome baziraju i na to.e stoji njihova ekonomija i blagostanje dok ostali crkavaju. "Whataboutisam" su vrlo brzo smislili kako bi sprecavali ljude da pominju dvostruke standarde koje su upravo oni smislilii uveli u mwdjunarodnu politiku. Vedre i oblace po svetu a sad kad Rusija radi isto sto i oni, oni su kao sokirani i zgranuti. Verovatno zato sto im smeta sto vise ne mogu samo oni to da rade Da napadnu neku zemlju i da je total o opljackaju i uniste ko paraziti i onda samo napuste. Kako ocekujes i ti i zapad da budem na njihovoj strani i nakon svega sto su nama radili. Kad je poceo sukob u Ukkr., Nama su dolazili sa pricom da uvedemo sankcije Rusima jer se i nama to desilo. Jeste, desilo se i to upravo od onih koji nam tosad spominju.Cinizam neprevazidjen.To je isto ko da silovatelj nakon nekog vremena dodje svojoj zrtvi i trazi od nje da zajedno osude drugog silovatelja koji je sad upravo silovao, i to upravo iz razloga jer bi ona kao zrtva to najbolje mogla da razume, jer se seca kako je to bilo kad je on, koji sad od nje trazi da mu se pridruzi u osudi drugog silovatelja, silovao nju. Mi treba da gledamo svoje interese a ne njihove, a u ovom momentu to je neutralnost. i Spanija i Portugal su u 2sr, bile neutralne i dobro su prosle. Ovaj rat nije nas rat,i ne treba da dopustimo da nas iko uvlaci u njega. Dosta smo mi imali patnji pre 20ak godina, kada je njima islo sve ko podmazano i bilo ih bas briga za nas. Mi sad treba da radimo isto jer je takon najbolje za nas.
@Milan Savic Никада у историји за јачег нису важили исти аршини као за слабе и то је нажалост тако и увек ће бити тако, у личном животу, а и у политици. Стално враћање у историју нас не води нигде, али ако то већ чинимо треба да будемо реални и искрени. Нигде нисам рекао да је овај рат наш и ниједан рат у будућности не треба да буде наш, али ми смо окружени са свих страна земљама које су чланице ЕУ и наша будућност мора бити европска, или нас неће бити. Желим да живим у уређеној правној држави у којој постоји слобода говора, свести и савести, онаквој какве европске земље јесу. Треба да имамо земљу која има животни стандард какав има макар једна Мађарска, да не идемо даље. Коначно треба да будемо истинољубиви и ако је неправда учињена нама, не треба да подржавамо неправду која се чини другима, а многи код нас, чак и у мом окружењу геноцидног манијака из Кремља доживљавају као светца и спаситеља. Русија није никаква сила, њена економија је мања од једне Италије, животни стандард тамо је бедан, са изузетком мале групе политички афирмисаних олигарха, који су се као и неко код нас, накрали уздуж и попреко. Једино што их чини фактором је број нуклеарних бомби, у конвенционалном рату, након више од пола године, они ни са једном Украјином не могу изаћи на крај, да не говоримо о неком битнијем и јачем. Треба бити свестан, да ако подржавамо агресију, злочине и геноцид који Русија чини у Украјини( а који се неће завршити добро ни по њу) и колико год до осада Европа имала стрпљењна са нама, постајемо и ми непријатељи Европи, јер не постоји ни једна земља на овом континенту која није завела санкције Русији и они неће дуго трпети да будемо транзитна зона за руски капитал, где ће се недај Боже прати новац од опљачканог украјинског жита, или преко које ће се руски тајкуни богатити заобилазећи санкције. Европа је економски 50 пута јача од Русије, војно више пута, а ту још не рачунам САД, Канаду, Аустралију, Јапан, Кореју, арапски свет тј земље залива. Ми треба да схватимо да јачи диктирају услове, да гледамо да извучемо што више можемо, да будемо искрени да од Русије никада ништа нисмо добили, да Русија није у праву са тим што ради, да то јесте злочин, да не треба да забоправимо неправду учињену нама, али да не попут папагаја на неправду чињену другом, долазимо са нашом причом, јер ако вечно останемо у периоду од пре 30 година, наша будућност ће бити исељавање из ове земље.
Ukraine today is reminiscent of the 1999 NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. That military campaign had the dubious distinction of being the first time NATO aligned itself with a terrorist group fomenting an insurgency against the sovereign state of Yugoslavia. Defying the UN Security Council, the United States under William Jefferson Clinton and other NATO countries bombed the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia for 78 days, providing vital air support for the Kosovo Liberation Army, which ironically was previously labeled a terrorist organization by the CIA under George Bush Sr.
@@dannyboy_vtc8980 dream my child... I guess, Kosovo will become the EU member before serbia. If Kosovo takes over serbia, then Kosovo can be yours. :)
We are. Croats overwhelmingly support Ukraine. I don't know a single person in my social circle who doesn't support Ukraine. But, then again, I'm well educated and successful... So maybe I just don't hang out with the village idiots which we also have here in Croatia.
You know how many serbs support russia in serbia, the majority but not all of them thankfully, well in croatia even bigger majority supports ukraine and its just cause, but ofc we do have a bunch of retards too, but a very small bunch at that, both the left and right leaning, politically, part of the public opinion supports the people that defend their homeland against the war criminals, and in serbia only some educated and progressive people, but that's your problem.
Croats not only support Ukraine.We are reliving our own war inside our hearts and rooting for Ukraine Also we will take as much Ukrainian refugees as we can
Orest, you can't compare Ukrania an d Croatia, no offens. Maybe Ukraine is one of the largest producers of grains, and budget heavily depend on it export, but thats it. Geographiic position of Croatia, with one of the most beutiful coast on the Medditeranean ( Black sea to me is not "the sea" in terms of climate and the geo position for tourisam), with its tourisam, ranks Croatia far ahead of Ukraine, which Ukraine, with the best economie would never reach.
war in Ukraine is bigger scale and stronger weapons. but in Ukraine war both sides have some military culture. in Croatian war with serbs it is war with animals without any moral or any other values. those are animas ready to do any atrocity !!
Ось чим війна в Україні відрізняється від війни в Хорватії, з моєї точки зору: Війна в Україні набагато масштабніша в усіх відношеннях, більше жертв, підривників і т.д. Увесь світ з самого початку допомагав Україні, а нам у Хорватії ввели ембарго на поставки зброї, і те ембарго тривало майже до кінця війни. Хорватія перемогла четників, а Україна переможе російських нацистів - у цьому я не сумніваюся. Це боротьба України за життя. Путін-під хотів взяти Київ за три дні - але, як ми бачимо, він може взяти тільки хуй в рот. Якби в Хорватії не було ембарго на поставки зброї, ми б прибрали сербське сміття не за три дні, а за півдня, скажімо до обіду. Слава Україні, слава АЗОВУ, героям слава!
Thank you my Croatian brothers and sisters!!!
Only one who went through war can understand all horror of war. Thanks for compassion Croatian brothers 🙏 🇭🇷
It is better to be an only child than to have Croats as brothers...
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As a Croat, I fully support Ukraine! (I am glad my country is stepping up to help!)
@@MisterJovke dobro, kao da ste vi srbi bolji, ja probavam biti prijatelj s srbima. Ali kad ovak nešto pročitam... bože wtf...
@@Engineer2301 Ви нама дугујете 700.000 живота, оних Срба које сте поклали...
И ми ћемо вам те животе узети...
Дуг мора да се плати.
My dad was captured and tortured. Thankfully he came back home alive but with ptsd he actually came back as a different person. When the was in Ukraine started our familie's only worry was my dad cause he couldn't sleep he needed to be medicated for weeks cause his ptsd was horrible triggerd.
Life above everything! 🇺🇦❤️🇭🇷
Potaj ga bil opet išo kad bi mogo birati?
@@CrniBudi ti si sigurno jedan od onih kojima je nepojmljivo da ljudi ne idu u rat zbog političara nego zbog svoje zemlje i doma.
The Russian-Ukraine conflict is a lot bigger and unfortunately there are already a lot more dead there.
The Serb attack on Croatia in 1991 was more brutal in some cases and marked by the indifference of most of the international community who actually were helping Serbia in the beginning by imposing an international arms embargo on Croatia.
No, the "international community" was allowing the smuggling of arms and shiploads of weapons to Croatia and BiH. The "international community" only spoke out when the JNA was gaining the upper hand. They would scream for it to go back to their barracks, which they obediently did, and then the Croat forces would start again. This is what happened in Vukovar with something like 19 ceasefires called in the 5.5 months of war, so every week/week-and-a-half there'd be another ceasefire.
And Croatia death squads under TOMISLAV MERCEP were killing Vukovar Serbs civilians even before that war officially began. Serbs were being "arrested" and abducted, then taken to a fallout shelter where they were tortured, and then brought to the edge of a river and shot.
The bodies of Serbs (and NO Croats) were washing up on the riverbanks in Croatia. This was also being done in Osijek by BRANIMIR GLAVAS and his men.
yes, those two conflicts are incomparable
But they are in 1 way comparable..russians are actually no better than serbs were ukraine didnt take back much land but they found many many mass graves what i mean is they are senseless monsters just as serbs were
What you posted is brutal lais and you now that Croatia preper for this war for years
@@Marina-rt6ok isuse isuse isuse isuse zakopaj se koja bljezgarija je bila upravo napisana HRVATI PRIPREMALI? BAR 10 GODINA STE IMALI TO NA PAMETI NIKAKVA AMERIKA VI STE SVE POKRALI OD JUGE STA JE OSTALO A PRIJE STE SVE TRANAFERIRALI U SVOJE ĐEPOVE VI STE SE PEIPRWMALI GAMAD
дякую за чудовий репортаж! and thank you to the Croatians for all the support. In hard times it is easier to see the light people.
As a Croat, I wish you good luck and hope you'll soon have all of your country back!
Of cpurse we support you guys..you are fighting guerilla warfare which is absolutely croat speciallity
Island was first country that recognized Croatia. I'm talking on old countries, not those which were formed when USSR broke down.
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO WIN THE MEDIA WAR!!!! This helped us a lot here in Croatia!!!! When you will have enough weapons and trained soldiers, the victory will be around the corner.
Why Palestine then didn’t win yet? They have so many supporters but Israel still exists still has settlements
@@RonDiani They don't have any official support. If you support them it does not mean that your country is supporting Palestine.
yes Ukranian tr-it-or "z-ski" needs to be exposed!
@@RonDianipalestine didnt win because they are actally politicaly not correct palestine has support only because we are such good people literally as soon as israel gave them the territory they started sending rockets every day id delete them from face of the map
Hrvoje, first country which recognised Croatia's independence was Slovenia. Both countries (Slovenia & Croatia) mutually recognised each-other right after declaring independence which they both did 25.6.1991, that's why Croatia is also the first country which recognised Slovenia's independence.
But Slovenia was not recognised as a country then either, so technically it didn't count
Slovenia was the frist unrecognized state to recognize Croatia, Ukraine was the first UN state to recognize Croatia, Iceland was the first NATO country to recognize Croatia.
S. Marino, Vatikan, Island .....?
I have yet to see a single Croatian video on RUclips without Serbs in the comment section 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well Croats, Muslims and Albanians are always on the Serbian videos, including nice music videos that they have to spoil as well.
@@jobrock1079 that's not true and i knew you were going to say that.You always do that.It's a propaganda tactic called projection
@@jobrock1079 You Serbs are spewing hate propaganda towards all your neighbours for at least last 30 years now.Don't you ever get tired of it?What is wrong with you people???
@@mariocroatia9321 It is true, as I stick with most all Serbian videos, but the others intrude. This Ukrainian guy here was in Serbia before Croatia and has a video from there and there are Albanians and others plaguing it. I can understand if something is POLITICAL that the other side would want to stick up for themselves, but when it is even a folk or traditional song and the Muslims and Croats say something abusive and ruin most every video, then they are more aggressive.
The reason Serbs are on THIS video is this guy made a provocative video in Serbia just before, and so people started to look at his channel, and here he is justifying Tudjman's severe ethnic cleansing of the Serbs population, which was aided by the U.S. (MPRI) and foreign powers. Even UN officers said they took weapons from Serbs which were the very weapons they needed to save their lives.
The UN didn't defend the Serb villages after disarming them, they stepped aside and allowed Croats to kill them. The Medak Pocket for example was witnessed by Canadian soldiers, but they didn't save the lives of any Serbs nor prevent it from being completely destroyed.
@@jobrock1079 You are working for a propaganda think tank.I dont believe anything you say
Wow, I didn't know the exact details of the war in Croatia, like that part about the peaceful reintegration of the eastern part. But, I'm assuming that was only possible due to the show of force during those operations when most of the territory was liberated.
This only goes to show that as long as you're willing to stand and fight for your country, the west is willing to support you. That's just how it is. No way around it.
There are many similarities indeed and this could last a long time.
That said, the Ukrainians have shown incredible morale and willingness to defend their country, it's really inspiring. They are also utilizing our weapons very effectively.
Keep it up guys, Europe supports you!
Yes, after the operation "Storm". There was a option for Serbians, peaceful reintegration of the eastern part or the operation "Thunder". The plan was to have three operations, where only first two have been launched "Bljesak" ( Flash ) - "Oluja" ( Storm ) - "Grom" ( Thunder ), which would write B.O.G. ( God ).
After Operation Storm in 2995, Croatian Army Brigades pushed into Western Bosnia and inflicted repeated major defeats on Bosnian Serb forces in a co-ordinated campaign with the Army of BiH. These defeats made Belgrade push Serbs in Eastern Croatia to accept a peace deal because Croatia had built up a substantial military with strong offensive cababilities by the autumn on 1995.
The only reason why the eastern part was peacefully reintegrated @Alex Larsen, was that there where 3 Armies in Croatia: The Croatian Army, Croatian Serb Army (Serbs born in Croatia, 10% of entire population in Croatia) and Army of Yugoslavia. It's one thing to fight against you're own ethnic minority army and another against a country that had fought wars against: The Ottoman Empire, Austro-Hungary, German Empire, Nazi-Germany and won all those wars!
The only reason why there was a "peaceful reintegration" was because that part was under control of the Army of Yugoslavia.
When asked about what would happen if the Serbs (Yugoslav Army) reacted during the "Storm" operation, Croatian General Petar Stipetic said "Well, we could hold on for a few days" and Croatian President Franjo Tudman said in 1999 when Yugoslavia was doing partial mobilisation in the face of the NATO bombing, that Croatia will seek the protection of the US if attacked by them.
Why would he said that if Croatia has won a war against Serbia (FR of Yugoslavia at that time), very simple, they didn't!
@@David-210what are you talking about, you win nothing.
Otomans had no problem with you, you were their allies. You were their robbers from behind.
You start fightinig against otomans after their defeats and retreating. Like it was balkan wars and then you did nothing but only becouse Bulgarian, Greece and others.
Croatian kingdom with other christians brothers defend europe almost 500years when you were their slaves for 500 years, you can see it by your darker skin or by turkish hat of your grandpa.
Germany broke yugoslavija in one week .
AUSTRO HUNGARIAN same, Croatians were in Belgrade in one week. Every time you are fleeeing from real battles.
You egzist only becouse your masonic rulers in UK.
You can beat only unarmed civilians.
And yes, we defat on battlefield Serbia(yugoslavia)
And if you ask yourself why shelling didnt start from "originaly" serbian teritory its becouse then, we can get permission to enter in your teritory but Slobo was smarter then you. He did not want complete serbian kapitulation.
In Croatia when someone lying to you we say to him you are laying like serbs. 😂
Ukraine is much, much larger. That's the difference. The war in Croatia was brutal. Mass extermination of civilians, mass graves, ethnic cleansing and literal genocide in Bosnia, with the idea of creating Greater Serbia and access to the sea/ocean.
You are full of bullshit, propagandist and troll with no real knowladge base aside CNN and western brainwashing media
in perspective of west. Thats not only our fault
@@Делија1989 Nobody said that, but it's 90% Serbia's fault
@@thejosh3855 im gonna say that again, in your perspective.
In eyes of my nation its not like that and we know that west do all shit
@@Делија1989 There's perspective and there's facts and it's sad that almost 30 years after the war, you Serbs would rather believe in conspiracy theories and alternative facts instead of the truth. Imagine if Germany still made excuses and denied starting WWII and the Holocaust, by saying it's just their own "perspective"?
The two conflicts are only similar on a very surface level, it's actually a pretty insulting and reductionist comparison to make.
If Croatia had received this much western support and armaments back in the 90's rather than an arms embargo, the entire region would look a lot different today.
There are similarities and differencies.
Similarities: the Serbs did not want to accept a sovereign Croatia and were refusing to acknowledge an own Croatian identity. The same thing is the case with Russians towards Ukraine. Framing the Croats as fascists, just like the Russians do to Ukrainians.
Differences: basically this what you mentioned. Croatia was not welcomed as a sovereign state, was under an international arms embargo and the international recognition happened only after Croatia proved to be able to maintain its independence by force.
European and U.S. support for Croatia happened gradually. The intelligence provided by the U.S. was of significant importance to end the war as well as to conclude the Agreements of Erdut (the peaceful reintegration of Eastern Slavonia into Croatia) and Dayton (in order to end the war in Bosnia and Herzegovina.)
Still, baer in mind that in 1991, 10 days before Ukraine would declare independence, the U.S President George Bush Senior visited Kyiv in order to persuede Ukrainians not to opt for independence, but to stay in the Soviet Union.
In 1994 Washington and London were pushing Ukraine (as well as Belarus and Kazakhstan) to abandon their nuclear arsenal to the benefit of Russia in exchange of security assurances regarding the sovereignity and independence of the country within the existing borders. The agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances was not honored by its garantors.
Ukraine had embargo in 2014 too, it was lifted only in 2018.
From someone who participated in the war in Croatia on the front line (on both sides by fate), I can say that Putin fully copied serbian Slobodan Milošević's plan of annexing parts of Croatia. The first difference was that at the start of the war we had almost no weapons, no one wanted to sell it (because of US sponsored arms embargo), let alone to gave it us. Another thing, which may happen in Ukraine too, is that the world community tried to "legalize" the Serbian occupation through the Z4 plan. But to Milošević's surprise, local serbs rejected the plan and Croats had huge will to fight, so his plan failed - which I truly hope will be also case with Ukraine! Another difference, maybe the most important, is that when we were liberating the occupied territories, Serbian Yugoslavia neither wanted nor could interfere because it was politically, militarily and economically too weak (Milosevic also fear then that NATO may attack them if they openly interfere), which may unfortunately not be the case with Russia as a nuclear superpower.
Thats bs, you croatians did the same as ukrainians, removing all rights, schools and language from Serbs living in ADMINISTRATIVE REPUBLIC CALLED CROATIA in old Yugoslavia
@@blackgruya011 da, u pravu si. Nismo ništa bolje 😔 žalostan što se dogodilo s mojom hrvatskom 💀.. U zadnje vrijeme sve više i više nas vuču zapad..
@@blackgruya011 zasto vi srbi morate biti u svakom komentaru? ljubomora ubija... ali svakako veliki pozdrav iz Hrvatske
@@Engineer2301 srpski bot
@@mariocroatia9321 tko je tebe pitao
When the Ottoman Turks captured Serbia the Ottoman Turkish Sultan Bayezid I took a Serbian wife, Maria Olivera Lazarević ( known in Turkish as: Despina Hatun).
Bayezid I then proceeded to give all the Serbian nobility Turkish wives to keep them loyal. In a few decades the Serbian nobility ceased to exist and Serbia became part of the Ottoman Turkish "Eyalet of Rumelia" for many centuries.
Back in 1990s when Croats, Ukrainians and Russians fought as slavic brothers against ottoman children (so-called serbs)
who burned hagia sophia back in 1453, like many other orthodox and catholic churches with there turkish masters...and killed and rp MILLIONS of christian people for there turkish masters...
Today we are all separsted by politicians...unfortnately
very similar cheers from croatia and stay strong
Very similar indeed both were sided with nazis in ww2.
@@ognjenhub you talking about Nedich and Ljotich?
@@ognjenhub zasto vi srbi morate biti u svakom komentaru? ljubomora ubija... jednostavno procitas komentar i ides dalje,sta se palis odmah..
ljubomora je zajebana stvar vidim
@@duelsensei635 Čekaj ti si pročitao moj komentar i napalio se,i onda mn kažeš da se ja palim.Ja samo iznosim činjenice da su hrvati i ukrainci počinili neverovatne zločine nad Srbima i Rusima.
@@ognjenhub dobro,i srbi su radili zlocine pa sta, gledajte malo sebe ne samo druge pa onda komentirajte 😂😂
I love how Europeans care about their history.. the average American has no idea about any history and don't like to think deeply about anything.. it may be a generalization, but its true.
It's because we have history
@bobjones6649 An average EU citizen is so "educated" he's even more clueless about history than his American counterpart. That's why he votes for woke parties.
As a half Ukrainian - half Croat I appreciate you coming to my hometown of Zagreb... I have family in Ukraine, some of them are in the occupied territory (Nova Kahovka) and we haven't heard from them.. Others are in Zaporizhia, some have left for Swiss... I just wanna say that Lavov is the soul of Ukraine. I've been there, I've eaten the food, met the people, its history is awesome, I really love Lavov 👍 ... Also, I want to point out that we Croats mostly support Ukraine (like 95%) but there's Croat-Serbs that mostly don't... So be vigilant when talking to somone "From Croatia" about Ukraine because a lot of Serbs (mostly Bosnian-Serbs and Croat-Serbs) love their Russian "brothers" and don't have anything but eastern propaganda to say about Ukraine...all the best to you, hope you visit Slavonija, Vukovar has many wartime museums and there is a section about Ukrainian soldiers during our war 👍
To be honest there is a significant minority of (younger) Serbs who support Ukraine; (ethnic) Croats can be manipulated by Kremlin propaganda too (especially boomers, like 60-70 yrs old generation like Vedrana Rudan or Zoran Milanovic).
Slava Ukrajini ❣️🇭🇷❣️🇺🇦❣️
Слава Хорватії !!! 🇺🇦🇭🇷
I definetly had a ptsd reaction to that invasion...
Some scenes ive seen on tv were too similar to what happened where Im from.
Slava Ukrajini!
Too many orcish trolls in the comments. Should be blocked.
Дякую, Оресте! Захоплююсь тим, що ти робиш для України! Люблю Хорватію. Була там декілька разів до війни. Дякую хорватам за підтримку України!
Love and support from Croatia!
We really support you and send help. Stay strong Ukraine. I hope politicians of EU will stop calculating and totally start to support Ukraine to get rid of this Russian hell.
What is one more difference is that at same time there was very complicated war in Bosnia and Herzegovina which influenced war in Croatia, for example we receieved many refugees from Bosnia and also attack from Bosnia side was crucial for liberation of Knin, also in Bosnia there was bloody Croat vs Mislim Bosniak war and also Muslim vs Muslim war and on top of that in some areas there were even better relations between Serbs and Croats than Croats and Bosniaks, one of reasons that International community was looking with aproval towards operation Storm was Srebrenica Massacre and chance that that, happens in Bihać and operation Storm would break the Bihać siege and stop another Srebrenica, things just came together.
Also Serbs did not accept Z4 peace plan for peacefull reintegration .
Btw that Croats vs Bosniak war was one very fierce war within war, only when that war stopped tide against Serbs changed.
Dali se slazes sa Z4? Vidis po tom planu moj osijek bi bio srbija. Serem se na takav "mirovni" sporazum. Sto nije ponudjen zagreb, a ne osijek i ostali gradovi??
@@oskng Ma kakav Z4, mi smo doslovno željeli da oni to odbiju a odbili su.
Veći bi zajeb bija da su prihvatili
@@stipe3124 a zasto je uopce nudjen??? Lako je sa tudjim k.. gloginje mlatiti. Kratko i jasno "zagreb" nas je htijeo prodati. Nisam balonja i sijecam se svega. Dok je na moj grad padalo preko tisucu projektila dnevno, dok je cijela slavonija i baranja gorila, dok su ljudi muceni, zene i djeca silovana. "Zagreb" (pod zagreb, mislim vlada) da spasi svoju guzicu, pokusava prodati guzicu svog naroda
@@stipe3124 ma uglavnom nije upuceno tebi, nego kada god cujem Z4 dobijem proljev i vidim koliko se jeftino prodaju ljudski zivoti. Pozdrav
Thank you for french subtitles. Fight hard to keep you traditions and your language alive. Greatings from Normandy and slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Croatians vs Serbians 1:2
Ukrainians vs Russians 1:4
Croatian state - independence declared in the middle of the war
Ukraine - independent 30 years before war
Cro leaders - not smart enough to avoid war but smart enough to negotiate truces (war started in '91, constant peace talks, from 92-mid'95 small scale fighting in order to avoid unecessary victims and prepare for final battle) and smart enough to win at the end (victory both in final 5days battle "Oluja" and in peaceful reintegration by negotiations). More focused on Croatian interests.
UA leaders - not smart enough to avoid war, not smart enough to achieve truce (constant fighting - no peace talks?) and we will see for final outcome. More focused on foreign interests?
CRO army - non existing at the start (mostly police forces, territorial defence units disarmed just before the war), Serbian full of weapons but a bit unorganized ('91 in transition from Yugoslav to fully Serbian)
UA army - stronger but Russia is well organized and armed (and planned attack).
NATO/EU - empose arms embargo on Croatia (it almost drown us in '91).
NATO/EU - helping Ukraine.
Arming Croatia - taking from the enemy (sourrounding of Jugoslav army bases in Croatia) and smuggling
Arming Ukraine - buying on the market + help from collective West
Possible oucomes:
Croatian scanario - Ukraine win and kick Russian forces out of country
Bosnian scenario - part of Ukraine under Ukrainian (like Federation B&H) and part as separate entity within Ukraine but under Russian control (like Republic Srpska)
Serbian scenario - truce achieved. Russian keeps the territory taken by war and consider it Russian and Ukraine call it occupied territory. Both sides wait for a better chance for second round once in future. Just like today Kosovo consider itself independent and Serbia consider it as a part of Serbia..
I find Serbian scenario most likely...
Ukraine its just biger in scale .. everything is x 10. .. Ukr. 40 mil , cro is 4 mil, Mariupol is 500k plp, Vukovar is 40k plp ... Croatia was just intro in present war... very similar just smaller in scale .. like Bonsai tree :) ... world have enough time to prepare for this war, almost 30 yrs .. but are they prepared for this? .. Noone take Yugoslav war sireusly, we was too small for world ... but ... ;)
They are very similar 🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷
as a veteran of the war in Croatia, I sincerely hope that Croatia will not be an example for you, Ukrainian fighters. after the war and our victory, we had to grant forgiveness to all Serbian fighters, rebuild their houses, give them pensions, include them in the government, forgive them for the crimes they committed... after the war, and because of disappointment in Croatian politicians, more than 3,500 war veterans committed suicide in Croatia.
there are no more serbs in croatia, after oluja the hvo murdered or kicked them all out, 20 000 serbs expulsed
lol what a troll
@@eltoro10-v5t you think that i'm a troll?
@@malosutra511 u are full of shit, croats are not the victims. they are the winners they have a pure catholic state now without serbs or muslims, unlike before oluja
@@philipmohlin3887 you mean 20 000 000 000 serbs expeled?
12:32 legendarna 111. riječka brigada
We need update...
Uvijek braća. 🇭🇷🇺🇦💙
This is so educational !!!
SLAVA UKRAINI ✌️🇺🇦✌️
🤣 😂 very similar. Only the West did not impose an arms embargo on Ukraine as in Croatia.
And only people who ignored the Arms embargo were actually ukrainians and russians👍
Kakva ti je to glazba na 22:00 , bugarska?
4:04 it was Iceland 🇮🇸 thumb down because of this and no need to watch further...
Prayers as always stay safe & be well 💙💛💯🙏🏽👏🏽🙌🏽💜
Be careful when you are shopping military stuff, because some things (even things you would not expect) can be real military products for army and it's banned to transport it from the country or even illegal to sell or buy it, but sellers very often don't know about that or they just don't care, I don't think someone will care about some shoes or something, but I heard that people can have problems when they are trying to transport bulletproof vests or radio stuff. Here in Czechia, I heard about buy who bought some radio in military shop and then police visited him after he was playing with that for some time. 😀
My huspent was a soldier in the age of 19.
Long live VUKOVAR
@orest zub....slava ukraini!!!heroyam slava!!! happy national day for ukraine!!!!all the best from romania!!!
дуже зрозуміла англійська мова у Ореста)))) very interesting video
The similar situation between two wars is: serbian minority expected to take over a huge part of Croatia, the serbian planed border would be the line between the cities Virovitica, Karlovac, Ogulin, Karlobar. (I am not sure, just I guess the Croatia would loose ca. 50% of the teritory).
The plan didn't work as expected since the Croats gave with a little and week weapons strong resistance. When you (as Croats) fight for your own home, then you have huge motivation.
The serbs explained the attacks, they would help the serbs in Croatia.
Ukraine is much bigger, but the same cause of the war, the same motivation just to save country. The Ukrain forces do not attack russia and they don't plan to take over a part of russia.
This is my point of view and of the most countries of this small world.
there is so many difference between war Ukraine-Russia and Croatia-Serbia...first Russia have said there are two things that will not be allowed,as it is already so agreed with major powers - no Nuclear missiles on Ukraine soil and no Nato alliance in Ukraine,everything else is allowed... Ukraine could expand in mutual cooperation and science collaboration with Russia,there are credits given from Russia with much better interests than from EU, the best energy and gas prices are given etc...and Selensky have aaaalll thrown away that Ukraine make war with Russia in order to give Ukraine to Black Rock ( of course Selensky will be paid offcon the end of the story,Selensky knows,he could not win the war,but purpose is anyway to make Ukraine vasal State to Black Rock and such Powers...)...and by us Serbia have taken all mutual arms and start to war...we did not have any benefits from Serbia regarding privilege gas prices or low interest credits (it is funny just think about it...),we had embargo on arms etc...Ukraine should thrown away Selensky immediately and start negotiation with Russia....this solution for Ukraine my fellow...otherwise Ukraine will be ripped a part,unfortunately....Selensky is the man that works contra Ukraine and for dark Powers in shadow if the war
Orest, you can buy fingered gloves and they can cut to fit... That is what I do. I only cut 1st or 1st and 2nd leave the rest covered 👍👍👍
You blew through a STOP Sign 5:31 .. How could you : (
nice!
Serbs of Krajina were the contemporary Russian of Donbass
nicee
Slava Ukrajini! 🇭🇷❤🇺🇦
Слава Хорватії !!! 🇺🇦🇭🇷
Wars are terrible everywhere. But, the main difference is that Croatia separated from Yugoslavia, but Ukraine did not separate from Russia, it was already an independent state.
Slovenia, bosnia, kosovo, macedonia separsted from yugoslavia aswell, and serbs started war in almost all of this countries...but Sure serbs playing victims and blaming croats, but what did croats in kosovo?
Slava Ukrajini 😘
Gle što se tiće rata u Hrvatskoj Slobodan milošević je bio direktor jugo banke u americi i on je bio otpočetka američki igrač i kad nije ispunio obećanje oni su ga kiruškim potezom makli nakon Kosova 1999 godine
tu ste se zajebali,od Milosevica su napravili mit,tako da su svi posle njega smesni.... on radi za nji i posle smrti
He never spoke about how corat army butchered muslims in bosnia
yeah sure and he never spoke how CROATIAN ARMY SAVED YOU.
@@lordhumungus1386 ubi ubi ubi ustasa
@@philipmohlin3887 Serbs killed more of you guys sadly
Serbian army genocided muslims in bosnia and kosova...
Just google srebrenica
@@mybad2603 you mean just like bosniaks saved Croats from life in Lužani,Gusti Grab,Dusina,Konjic,Šušanj,Trusina,Bilivode,Grm,Miletići,Čukle,Krpeljići,Maljine,Vitez,Kraljeva Sutjeska,Drenovnik,Slapnica,Busovačke Staje,Ljubunci,Vrbanja,Doljani,Bugojno,Kiseljak,Zabilje,Grabovica,Vrbica,Uzdol,Hudutsko,Kopijari,Vareš,Fojnica,Križančevo Selo,Buhine Kuće......?
Nazzis together
Yes serbs are nazis
Last nazis are 100 y old. Serbian new war criminals are 50 y old (your neighbours, your politicians...- your problems)
Смокчи струк.
Serbian Kraina currently is occupied from Germany Croatia and Dalmatia
gotovo ti je, možeš samo plakat, i ljudi su vam otišli i to ne sa silom, tko je htio je ostao i ništa im se nije desilo, al ostali valjda nisu htjeli, valjda im se zastava nije sviđala pa pobjegli 🤣
@@podlumpy3838 Oni Koji su postali su muceni,ubijani...
Zastava je ustadka...fasisticka...
A plakati mogu mogu I saw srpskom vojskomfoci Kada bude dosla....
Did you know that in a mid 19th century Austro-Hungarian census, there were more Slovenes in the Empire than Croats.
Where did all these Croats emerge from subsequently ?
Maybe is something wrong with that statistics, you never considered such possibility 😂
Many people from these parts considered/identified themselves Austrian while under the Austro-Hungarian rule. When that went away, many identified as Croatians again. It's normal to have the citizenship of the country you live in. If the country changes, many change their citizenship.
@@ivanjelenic5627
But the same would apply to Slovenes too.
So the Croatians identified themselves as Austrians but never as Yugoslavs ?
@@jamesdean1143 did you know that in the mid of the 19 cenutry...there were more turks, albanians and also arabs then serbs in serbia and montenegro? Read up demohraphy of evliya celebi an ottoman traveller...
Well come to Croatia brother. We were on the same side in 2WW.
nazi side?? u take pride in that??
@@balkanscorpio5378 You're writing comments pretending to be Croat? Ashamed of being a serb?
My family were all antifascist partisans who actually fought against Nazism...Like many many Croats....We had our own civil war during WW2
@@balkanscorpio5378 Zezam se ja sam Srbin
@@asterixx6878 Mrsh
Ukraina u mom ❤
не можна порівнювати війну в Україні з війнами у колишній Югославії
50 godina imaš i još svojom glavom ne razmišljaš...
OMG 😔
Stay strong Ukraine, better days are ahead of you.
In order to understand war in Yugoslavia first you have to know constitution of SFRJ and then all political parties and their involvements in it.
A lot of laws have been broken by both Serbs and Croatians and others, one wanted to keep everyone together (Milosevic) because serbs were majority and he would be in power for very long time as long as he have serbs on his side, and Croats wanted their own country to be self govern at all cost, and that cost was war.
that part were Milosevic wanted them all together because serbs were majority and he would always win is the reason why the wars were so bloody, because serbs knew if they are left in croatia without their own republic they would be under threat because they would never have their own that can win in politics, the same case was in Bosnia,...
everyone was offered to join EU + money and what not, but croatians were first to refuse, and Milosevic words were: either we go in EU as Yugoslavia or everyone can do what ever they wanted, i think bosnians were somewhat more reasonable but still wanted to have central government in Bosnia (small Yugoslavia) which wasn't an option in that time
My personal opinion is: if you decide to go to war then go all the way and do what ever is necessary to win if not then there is no point starting a war, and killing everyone is not winning the war, war is about economy and land but you still need people for both economy and that land, land without people is useless,
War in Yugoslavia was unnecessary in my opinion, serbs could have peacefully through EU gain more, if motivated enough even their own republics in Croatia and Bosnia and Kosovo would have been physically still part of Serbia, Serbian economy would now been probably close to Check Republic (GDPP) ,
war is dangerous game
@stefanbog2495: Tell me why should Croatia and Bosnia/Herzegowina be still part of serbia? I see, you have still the dream of big serbia.
😰
Slava Ukraini.
There are lots of similarities but major differences . Main similarity is the involvement of the US/NATO/EU and their protagonism of war . They want the war to continue to antagonize Russia and test their weapons which is why they are making big weapons promises to Ukraine with many provocative actions but delivering very slow and deliberate. Another similarity is the legacy and new political factions on both sides that create conflict with their maximalist and centralized demands.
The main difference is the terrain and the drone technology along with heavier weapons. Black Sea and Dnieper River area is very flat and impossible to hide and defend which makes it tempting to be on the attack mode. Adriatic Sea area is mostly mountainous and and hilly with natural borders so it favors defense instead of an attack. The other difference is drones which didn't exist then which makes this war much more offensive and harder to stop and take the break. Drones along with much heavier weapons is why this war is more deadlier and favors offense.
As for direct comparison , yes there are many. Croatia and Ukraine were/are desperately western and are supported by nato/eu/usa but Serbia was surrounded and economically destroyed by sanctions and they had to give up. Russia is not surrounded despite attempts and it can survive sanctions unabated and it has nukes and other extreme weapons. These differences make it impossible for Ukraine to win militarily so they can only do attritional warfare at the behest of EU/USA . Ukraine wins by quitting and surrendering now . NATO wins by prolonging this conflict as much as possible. Russia wins by keeping NATO as far away as possible. Take your pick .
bla bla bla bla........
Congratulations.
Your anlysis is correct and theral.
@@milansavic2803 Says a serb to another serb. Then it must be true.
😆😅
@@asterixx6878 The truth is universal
Kakve gluposti pises???? Nitko nije napravio invaziju na srbiju za tvoju informaciju, hrvatska je imala embargo na oruzije, a vi ste nam uzeli sve i razrusili drzavu. Sada zamisli, kada smo u bez oruzija i bez nata oslobodili sve i ponovno iz pepela izgradili drzavu i opet ste iza nas. Samo ta cinjenica je dovoljna da vidis koliko ste jadni
zds!
Your friend Hrvoje failed to mention a couple of things:
1) federal republic of Croatia under the constitution of Yugoslavia had the right to secession only if all of the constituent peoples living in it chose to do so
2) Serbs were 1 of 2 constituent peoples, counting for 12% of the population, and they chose against secession
3) When Croatian politicians ignored the law and pushed for secession anyway with hard far-right rhetoric Serbs took up weapons and started an uprising fearing the repeat of the genocide from World War 2
4) Croatian "independence fighters" comited a huge number of war crimes including mass murders in villages, shooting at refugee columnns and an all out ethnyc cleansing where 500.000 people were driven from their homes and had their assets and posessions seized
4) To this day Croats celebrate their domestic nazis from World War 2, salute the nazi greeting at every oportunity and celebrate the violent expulson of 500.000 of their countrymen as national holiday
of course. Just like Ukraine has been bombing Donbass for all these 8 years with nazi saluting. Just less than 100 people were killed in this non-existen shellings, but who care if your bot work brings money.
that is exactly what happened. And i am not being bias since i am half serb half croat born in Gospic but i lived in Krajina
croatia did alott of war crimes but they like to claim that only serbs did war crimes. both of my great grand parents on my serbian side were over 90 years old when they got beheaded by croats. They were not a threat to anyone yet they still got killed. Of course im not saying serbs are innocent because many war criminals were also serbs especially in bosina. and there were many bosnian war criminals as well. But people like to blame serbia completely even tho serbia is not the reason the war started
@@balkanscorpio5378 fuck man, sorry to hear that...
Of course the Serb came to pretend to be smart
1: the Serbs were never a constituent people in Croatia
2: there is no evidence for the so-called crimes of the Croatian army, the only crimes committed by the Croatian side were committed by individuals and there were very few of them, especially in comparison with Serbian organized crimes in Croatia and Bosnia
3: Milošević organized that escape and this is known, in fact the Croats distributed food and water to those people who were not forced by anyone
4: the Croatian greeting is older, more precisely it goes back to the fight with the Turks when Nikola Šubić Zrinski said that greeting 4: I don't know what you were thinking when you started writing comments like this when you know it's a lie, and on a video where there will be mostly Croats, how are you not ashamed at all
Orest we stand with our kin,White Croats! Slava Ukrajini
Zagreb didn't see no war now Croatians that were raised in Bosnia we seen war I was 12 years Yung in 1992 it was bad
It is a real shame that you did not ask your Croatian friend about the occupation of Bosnia by 'Croatian military forces '???
The Croatians were the only ones fighting the Serbs successfully in Bosnia. The Bosnian muslims were losing every battle and running away into Croatia. In fact Croatia took in 300,000 Bosnian muslim refugees who were fleeing from the Serbs.
@@northernstar4811- Croats killed 30,000 Muslims in Bosnia and were condemned in DemHaag for it.That's why I asked the author of this propaganda pamphlet 'What did the Croats Armydo in Bosnia'???
@@northernstar4811 Yet the Croats fought with the Bosnian Muslims in 1993, and when they were surrounded, they asked Serbs for help, and Serbs allowed the surrounded Croats to leave, and with their weapons through their (Serbian) lines. These same Croats that were saved from probably extermination, repaid this favor by attacking Serbs in Croatia AND into Bosnia during "Operation Storm". And, by the way, a Scottish mercenary who fought in the Croat HVO and Special forces against BOTH Serbs and then Bosnian Muslims, was most shocked by what the Bosnian Muslims did to the Croat villages in central Bosnia. He saw that the Muslims would deliberately mutilate the civilians, including mothers and infants, and even the animals. For him, the Bosnian Muslims were the most brutal and cruel. His experience in fighting the Serbs was mostly regular fighting, while he admitted killing civilians, including Serb and Muslim females. Generally if a figure was walking near or close to his lines, he would shout that person down, rather than take chances. These mercenaries like him were able to kill Bosnian civilians (from all sides) and get away Scot-free.
@@jovicadimitrijevic7346 Lies, lies... Aggressor wants to present himself as a victim.
The Croats were in an alliance with the Bosniaks for most of the war. The Croat-Bosniak war lasted for only one year (1993-1994). In 1992 and 1994-1995, the Croats defended Bosnia and liberated half of the country from Serbian aggression, Croatia also took in hundreds of thousands of Bosniak refugees.
Also, 30,000, really? 10,000 Bosniaks and Croats died in the Bosniak-Croat war, so that's 10% of the total casualties from the Bosnian War. The majority of Bosniaks and Croats (soldiers and civilians) were killed by the Serbs.
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Is that true?
Someone from Croatia!?
Sto jel istina?
I'm a Croat and yes, we support Ukraine. Was that your question?
I read recently about some survey, that only 1.05 % Croatians think about war in Ukraine
Watch Operacija Olujia
Hrvati i Ukrajinci su isti,povod za rat je isti,jer Hrvati su Srbe izbrisali kao konstitivni narod,kao sto su i Ukropi..... jedina razlika je sto Milosevic nije poslao vojsku a Putin deluje
hahhaa.. cekaj,
Milosevic nije poslao vojsku? A tko je rusio Vukovar? Turci? Nijemci?
povod za rat je bio plan velike srbije!!
@@gigamaxis vi ste ga srusili....
A srbijanci albancima i crnogorcima uzeli Autonomiju pa pokusavali Sa hrvatskom i slovenijom.. nazalost hrvati i slovenci se borili
@@allasdrinski926 srbijanci srusili vukovar kao sto su srebrenicu, prijedor, bijeljinu, visegrad focu itd. Srbijanci uvijek Krive drugog...jadno
slava Ukraini from Croatia
SLAVA UKRAINI. Horvatia z vamy
Sve bude Ukraina 🇭🇷🙏🇺🇦
Wrong analogy with Croatia, if you were familiar with the genocide of the Serbs of Croatia in WW2, you wouldn’t make any such comparison. The situation regarding present day Ukraine is indeed reminiscent of Yugoslavia back in the 1990’s when Bill Clinton ordered NATO to attack that sovereign nation.
Like Ukraine, Yugoslavia was at that time battling against separatists on its southern most territory. Bill Clinton ordered NATO to attack Yugoslavia to assist the KLA separatists and to effect regime change in Yugoslavia. Putin is using the same Clinton pretext of defending a separatists region of Ukraine and also attempting to facilitate a regime change in Ukraine.
Putin’s actions should be condemned just as Clinton should have been condemned for attacking the sovereign nation of Yugoslavia. Seeing it in any other light would be absolutely hypocritical
Well, the Serbs themselves are guilty of the Ustasha crimes in WW2, if Serbia had not led a dictatorship, everyone would be happy, let me remind you, the Ustashes were created because of that, and Croatia had the right to leave Yugoslavia without any war, but that did not suit the Serbs
"Wrong analogy with Croatia, if you were familiar with the genocide of the Serbs of Croatia in WW2..."
Can you name one town in Croatia where the Usatsha organisation wiped out all the Serbs?
Should be very easy for you if that was true...
Did you forget what Serbs were doing to Croats from 1918 till 1941?
The first antifascist organised military movement in Europe started in Croatia by Croatians on 22nd of June 1941 called Partisans. My late grandfather Mile Buljan joined them at the age of 16. His village Bitelić and town Sinj, all of its area was called Little Moscow.
Later, my mother family village of Jasenice near town Zadar was burned down in 1991. and civilians were slaughtered by local Serbs who said Croatia Does not exist, everything is Great Serbia. Serbian army marched upon our towns and villages, my mother was a refugee, croatian army never went to Serbia to fight, we only defended our land.
@@magdalenabuljan7219 I'm from a Croat antifascist family myself. My grandfahters fought The Nazis,Fascist Italians,The Ustase,Serbian Chetniks....
There were aound 150.000-200.000 Croat antifascists
How do we imagine that attack on "Croatia" today?
Croatians were armed for long time and illegally declared independence trying with violence to claim Serbian populated areas.
It was not a country, it was part of Yugoslavia and by law it had 2 constitutional nations, equally Serbs and Croats.
Serbian army never attacked. It was obvious lie, but Serbs were attacked in their homes, their country and had to defend.
Serbs were there since forever and they already suffer genocides in the past from Hitler's puppet creation, first Croatia.
Some time Yugoslav national army had some activities. It was official army of legal country trying to calm separatists. That army was equally army of Croats and other parts of Yugoslavia. It was led mostly by Croats. To start with Tito.
This was for those who like truth as Croatia as a state and those events are biggest worlds lie with ONLY Serbs ethnically cleansed with help of the Western countries. Final attack was on UN protected area populated by Serbs.
Whole truth in short for those who like truth more than Hollywood scenarios. Now you are free to spin again as much as you want.
Serbs bombed croatian City vukovar 3 months...aswell as dubrovnik 9 months...
Serbs also did a genocide on bosniaks and albanians...and ethnic cleansed hundred-thousands of innocent bosniak and albanian children
kad srbalj prodaje svoju 'istinu'.... Gledaj srbalj, procitati ustav te eSeFerjot s razumjevanjem, a onda kakiti.....to je za pocetak.
dude, croatia was muchhh better off under Yugoslavia then it is right now. Right now its a dying nation, all its population is moving out and leaving, birthrates are in the negative, and foreigners from germany and other countries are buying up all the property in croatia.... within 2 to 3 decades, there will be nothingggg croatian left in croatia.
Hahahhah comment from Serbs, you don't know shit. Yes we we one of riches republics in Yugoslavia and where our money was going, in Macedonia, south Serbia, Kosovo, Montenegro, our tourist money to Beograd. We are better than ever now
Naj bolji ste...
@@pavolovric2943 . Croatia is second porest contry in EU ..only Bulgaria is worst ...in Yugoslav time Croatia was much richer then any other EU member from East Europe apart from Slovenia who was also in Yugoslavia ..
@@b.s.7181 its strange how so many croats hate Yugoslavia and think that Yugoslavia was against them, meanwhile, The dictator Leader of yugoslavia was Half croat half slovenian and everything he did he did for the benefit of those 2 groups, its why literally all the factories and everything was located in those 2 countries and why they prospered the most. Any money that went to belgrade went straight into titos personal army and not to the serbian people. In fact, Serbia was the only country in Yugoslavia that didnt have any benefits as Tito literally gave entire southern serbia to albanians and serbs are still suffering today because of it. Plus tito didnt give serbia any access to the sea like he did with others.
@@pavolovric2943 im mixture of both serb and croat, but im mostly croat and plus i born in croatia so was everyone that i know going back over 600 years. I was born in 1989 which means im older than many people in croatia which means that there are birth certificates and paperwork held by croatias government that proves that I was a Croatian before most of you even existed 🤣 plus i have light eyes and hair so there is no traces of Turkish in me... can other croats say that?
😂 Serbian Karina is currently occupied from Germany and Croatia 😢...so you Ukrainians is some like Croats ustashe...!
There was never serbian krajina...serbs are actually settled by turks in krajina and one Day ALL serbs will go back to anatolia
Cry about it
@@tigar7779 I was cry but on future you will cry
@@YU-mv3ku Funny how you cry over some dead Krajina yet living in Canada hahahaha
@@YU-mv3ku serbs will get back to turkey in the future
🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺 🇷🇺
srbija i rusija 😍
Yes there are similarities between conflicts in former Yugoslavia (between Serbs and Croats) аnd former USSR (between Russians and Ukrainians).
1. Croats becomed from Serbs ( Croats are Serbs forced to convert from Orthodox to Catholic religion.
Ukrainians becomed from Russians ( Ucrainians are converted Rusians)
2. During ww2 borh in Croatia and Ucraine there was very strong NAZI regimes which committed genocide ( leader of Croatian NAZI regime was Pavelic and leader of Ukrainian NAZI regime was Bandera)
3. In both countries Croatia and Ukraina today NAZI ideology is still alive and very active.
3. During ww2 and from 1991-1995 Croats committed genocide against local Serbian population (starting by denying themselves right to use language, banning their organizations, banning their cultural identity, banning their rights to work and forcing them out from their works and forcing them to convert from Orthodox to Catholic religion and thus become Croats)
In Ukraine it was the same in DNR and LNR and in whole Ukraine. After the USA backed coup in 2014. Ukraine denied rights to Russian speaking people. They banned opposition TV stations, forbidden opposition political parties, tried to rewrite history of ww2, the same like Croats does.
4. Croatia have Ustasa NAZI moovment and Ukraine have Azov, Ajdar, Right Sector, NAZI moovment.
( Just check tatoos of the Azov members and see what happened in Canadian parliament)
5. Both NAZI moovment members in Croatia and Ukraine was supported and founded from foreign countries.
Both NAZI moovments in Croatia and Ukraine was ready for crimes like burning people alive ( Croatian Ustase did it in the church of Glina and Ukrainian NAZIST did it in Odesa)
The list of Croatian and Ukrainisn similarities are endless but also there are some differences like Serbs was without nuclear wepons.
About differences will scribe in another post.
srbalj i evolucija ne mogu u istu knjigu a kamoli u recenicu. onda se nadje srbalj i prica o evoluciji.......zestoka dijagnoza.
1. Croats are clearly slavs while serbs are slavized turks, albanians (vasojevici tribe) and gypsys...just Look at serbian genetic (E1b1b + J)
2. Serbs did the biggest gnosd in the history of balkans (srebrenica, vukovar, kosovo) officially recognized by the UN.
- 200.000 croats and other non-serbs (czechs, slovaks, hungarians etc.) ethnic cleansed in by serbs
- 800.000 bosniaks and croats ethnic cleansed by serbs (srebrenica, bijeljina, sarajevo, kozravac, prijedor, foca, visegrad, zvornik, banja luka, jajce, posavina etc.)
- 1.000.000 albanians and kosovars ethnic cleansed by serbs in 1998-1999
Two gayest tocking about war and, don't meshing real recommendations for war I bout places. This is not good tocking because most of isn't thru
You didn't menshion reson way Serbien people raise agenst, and also Ukraininen gay didn't mensch way Rusian make uprising in Dombas.
Serbian people "raised" against croatian, bosnian and albanian civilians, with weapons and tanks
@ajmo-fi7mj I must to disappointed you. Croatian ustashe was catch in 1988 when important weapons for family against Serbien people on Croatia hu in that time not gave any whepons and not even think that any war is possible. Croatian prefer for this war for many years.And Aldo Don,'t forgot that in this time , before recognizing Croatia and Slovenia , that was Yugoslav army in wich was all nationality, and frst attacks in Slovenia was on yang Yugoslav army soldiers hu didn have real munition and in many cases they was kill in very brutal way , and poor yang guys they didn't even now that war is start.
Is very sad is that many people and jurnalist they start report from middle of conflict, forgetting haw exely everitin start
@@Marina-rt6ok acrually yugoslav army was the 4th strongest army in europe...and in 1986 serbian nationalist rallies started in croatia and kosovo woth the Plans to create a great serbia and kll all non-serbs from balkans just facts...
@ajmo-fi7mj I vriky must stop communicating with you. You are the same troll or this us your job to kaing I the internet. What you raithong us absolutely stupidity and not thru. Repit absolutely not thru, and this can support even CIA , MI . BND documents . So before you wish to interact In discussion , please educate yourself.
@@Marina-rt6ok
Vidim dati ne ide Engleski pa pročitaj nešto:
12.2.1988. Komitet srpskih akademika zahteva stvaranje "srpske autonomne oblasti" na teritoriji SR BiH i SR Hrvatske
28. 2. 1989. u Kninu su bili prosvjedi protiv navodnoj hrvatskoj i slovenskoj potpori "albanskom separatizmu".
4.3.1989. Udruženje književnika Srbije diskutuje o mržnji prema Srbima u Hrvatskoj, Sloveniji i na Kosovu. Vuk Drašković pominje "zapadne srpske granice".
28.3.1989. Doneseni amandmani na Ustav SR Srbije, kojima je praktično ukinuta autonomija dve pokrajine, ali Srbija zadržava njihova mesta u Predsedništvu.
28.6.1989 Najmasovniji zbor na Gazimestanu, Milošević govori o "bitkama" koje predstoje.
9. 7. 1989. kod pravoslavne crkve Lazarice na Kosovu Polju kod Knina organiziran je veliki miting potpore Miloševiću, propraćen velikosrpskim parolama, uz "oko 50.000 osoba", pretežno iz Srbije, pristiglih u vise od 1500 autobusa.
14.7.1989. Na sastanku Udruženja književnika u Beogradu, Vuk Drašković poziva na stvaranje Krajine u Hrvatskoj.
26.1.1990. Veljko Kadijević zahteva uvećanje broja vojnog osoblja stacioniranog u Sloveniji. JNA stvara vojni plan za akciju na teritorijama sa etnički izmešanim stanovništvom (BiH i Hrvatska).
21.3.1990. Srbi oko Zadra prave noćne straže, koje čak kontrolišu autobuse.
26.3.1990. Srpsko vođstvo se sastaje da razmotri situaciju u Jugoslaviji i slaže se da je rat u Hrvatskoj i BiH neizbežan. (jako zanimljivo...u Hrvatska je jos uvijek jedna od saveznih republika s komunistima na vlasti)
26.4.1990. Sastanak između Borisava Jovića, budućeg predsednika predsedništva i sekretara za odbranu Veljka Kadijevića, koji izveštava da je JNA spremna za akciju u Sloveniji i Hrvatskoj. (kad vec pricamo o narodnoj vojsci)
8.6.1990. JNA stvara nove brigade u okolini Zagreba, Knina, Banje Luke i u Hercegovini.
28.6.1990. Slobodan Milošević kaže predsedniku SFRJ Borisavu Joviću da on misli da bi "raspad Hrvatske trebalo izvesti tako da Zajednica opština Slavonije, Dalmacije, i Like ostane sa naše strane granice".
29.6.1990. Sabor RH donosi ustavne promene temeljem kojih Hrvatska više nije "Socijalistička" Republika, usvojeni su novi privremeni zastava i grb ("šahovnica").
30.6.1990. Vladimir Šeks, potpredsednik Hrvatskog sabora, kaže da SFRJ mora postati konfederacija.
25.7.1990. Veliki miting u Srbu, SDS proglašava nezavisnost Srba u Hrvatskoj i stvaranje Srpskog nacionalnog vijeća.
31.7.1990. Na prvom sastanku Srpskog nacionalnog vijeća u Hrvatskoj, doneta je odluka da je potreban referendum o srpskoj autonomiji u Hrvatskoj. Hrvatska vlada zabranjuje takav referendum Milan Babić je izabran za predsednika vijeća.
17.8.1990. Krajinski Srbi započinju Balvan revoluciju.
18.8.1990. Jugoslovenska vlada i JNA zahtevaju da Hrvatska ne preduzima akcije protiv srpskih pobunjenika.
...When Orest leave first army shop...when he says Slava Ukraini to a guy in the shop😂😂😂 and guy answer "Yeah, right (or somethin' like that)"
😂😂😂😂
Milan seriously find something better to do than just being nasty
@@amandasmith6342 And you should stop preachin to others, like some granny
@@milansavic2803 milan I am actually a young person who finds this world does not need such negative comments and attitude like yours.
Be happy !!!!!
@@amandasmith6342 You're the one who replay to me, not the opposite.
If this words disturbe you so deeply, then you should not involve in any comments.
If you are such a young person, then I would be worried what the f*"' I'm doin' here, and especially in summer time.
My comment was humoristic, and tells that not everybody, not even in Croatia, cares so much abou Ukr, simply because it's not their war.
You should relax and have more sense of
humor.
But, to whom I'm talking...
You are probably Orest, chatin' from another profile.🤣🤣🤣
@@milansavic2803 I am a Croatian who does care 🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
Slava Ukraini 🇭🇷🇺🇦
Слава Хорватії !!! 🇺🇦🇭🇷
It's unbeliaveable how this Ukranian are so enthusiastic abot EU, US, and West.
Even naive
Its unbelievable how some of my countryman Serbs are enthusiastic about Russian shiths. As someone (and its very rare in my country) who went both westward and eastward I really dont understand what is good in Russia.
@@tomislavv2635 Nop. Not enthusiastic abot Russia too. I really dont dont understand how you come up with this conclusion. But this Ukr. think of west as some idealistic safehaven.
P S. And you're not Serb👍
@@milansavic2803
Јесам друже Србин сам и након тога што сам обишао цео свет, не могу да верујем, а истина је, да код нас има људи који мисле да се у Русији боље живи него на западу, да је руско оружје јаче од америчког, да је будућност наша и наше деце да уђемо у савез са Русијом и Белорусијом...итд. Запад можда није рај, али је најбољи економски и политички систем који постоји, наш човек који нажалост није путовао у то неверује, а кад му се једном укаже прилика да то види, тада, опет нажалост остаје тамо.
Kad cujem da se toliko razbacujes sa time da si bio po celome svetu, zaista pomislim da nisi bio nigde. Al', aj', verujem ti. Samo ne znam zasto mislis da svi ostali nisu bili nigde i videli nista.
Apsolutno sam saglasan sa svim sto si rekao u poslednjoj poruci, al se ne radi o tome ovde. Rec je o licemerju zapada, pogotovo Sad, koji nakon 2 sv.rata., su napali ne znam koliko zemalja i upravo.na tome baziraju i na to.e stoji njihova ekonomija i blagostanje dok ostali crkavaju. "Whataboutisam" su vrlo brzo smislili kako bi sprecavali ljude da pominju dvostruke standarde koje su upravo oni smislilii uveli u mwdjunarodnu politiku.
Vedre i oblace po svetu a sad kad Rusija radi isto sto i oni, oni su kao sokirani i zgranuti. Verovatno zato sto im smeta sto vise ne mogu samo oni to da rade
Da napadnu neku zemlju i da je total o opljackaju i uniste ko paraziti i onda samo napuste.
Kako ocekujes i ti i zapad da budem na njihovoj strani i nakon svega sto su nama radili. Kad je poceo sukob u Ukkr., Nama su dolazili sa pricom da uvedemo sankcije Rusima jer se i nama to desilo. Jeste, desilo se i to upravo od onih koji nam tosad spominju.Cinizam neprevazidjen.To je isto ko da silovatelj nakon nekog vremena dodje svojoj zrtvi i trazi od nje da zajedno osude drugog silovatelja koji je sad upravo silovao, i to upravo iz razloga jer bi ona kao zrtva to najbolje mogla da razume, jer se seca kako je to bilo kad je on, koji sad od nje trazi da mu se pridruzi u osudi drugog silovatelja, silovao nju.
Mi treba da gledamo svoje interese a ne njihove, a u ovom momentu to je neutralnost. i Spanija i Portugal su u 2sr, bile neutralne i dobro su prosle.
Ovaj rat nije nas rat,i ne treba da dopustimo da nas iko uvlaci u njega.
Dosta smo mi imali patnji pre 20ak godina, kada je njima islo sve ko podmazano i bilo ih bas briga za nas.
Mi sad treba da radimo isto jer je takon najbolje za nas.
@Milan Savic
Никада у историји за јачег нису важили исти аршини као за слабе и то је нажалост тако и увек ће бити тако, у личном животу, а и у политици. Стално враћање у историју нас не води нигде, али ако то већ чинимо треба да будемо реални и искрени. Нигде нисам рекао да је овај рат наш и ниједан рат у будућности не треба да буде наш, али ми смо окружени са свих страна земљама које су чланице ЕУ и наша будућност мора бити европска, или нас неће бити.
Желим да живим у уређеној правној држави у којој постоји слобода говора, свести и савести, онаквој какве европске земље јесу. Треба да имамо земљу која има животни стандард какав има макар једна Мађарска, да не идемо даље. Коначно треба да будемо истинољубиви и ако је неправда учињена нама, не треба да подржавамо неправду која се чини другима, а многи код нас, чак и у мом окружењу геноцидног манијака из Кремља доживљавају као светца и спаситеља. Русија није никаква сила, њена економија је мања од једне Италије, животни стандард тамо је бедан, са изузетком мале групе политички афирмисаних олигарха, који су се као и неко код нас, накрали уздуж и попреко. Једино што их чини фактором је број нуклеарних бомби, у конвенционалном рату, након више од пола године, они ни са једном Украјином не могу изаћи на крај, да не говоримо о неком битнијем и јачем. Треба бити свестан, да ако подржавамо агресију, злочине и геноцид који Русија чини у Украјини( а који се неће завршити добро ни по њу) и колико год до осада Европа имала стрпљењна са нама, постајемо и ми непријатељи Европи, јер не постоји ни једна земља на овом континенту која није завела санкције Русији и они неће дуго трпети да будемо транзитна зона за руски капитал, где ће се недај Боже прати новац од опљачканог украјинског жита, или преко које ће се руски тајкуни богатити заобилазећи санкције. Европа је економски 50 пута јача од Русије, војно више пута, а ту још не рачунам САД, Канаду, Аустралију, Јапан, Кореју, арапски свет тј земље залива. Ми треба да схватимо да јачи диктирају услове, да гледамо да извучемо што више можемо, да будемо искрени да од Русије никада ништа нисмо добили, да Русија није у праву са тим што ради, да то јесте злочин, да не треба да забоправимо неправду учињену нама, али да не попут папагаја на неправду чињену другом, долазимо са нашом причом, јер ако вечно останемо у периоду од пре 30 година, наша будућност ће бити исељавање из ове земље.
Z From Serbia
Ukraine today is reminiscent of the 1999 NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. That military campaign had the dubious distinction of being the first time NATO aligned itself with a terrorist group fomenting an insurgency against the sovereign state of Yugoslavia.
Defying the UN Security Council, the United States under William Jefferson Clinton and other NATO countries bombed the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia for 78 days, providing vital air support for the Kosovo Liberation Army, which ironically was previously labeled a terrorist organization by the CIA under George Bush Sr.
And no one is surprised. After all, Serbia has the largest number of war criminals of any European country ever. You must be very proud.
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Go make electricity from the mud and scream we are the best, we won every war and kosovo is serbia, next year kosovo is ours, hahahaha!
@@dannyboy_vtc8980 dream my child... I guess, Kosovo will become the EU member before serbia.
If Kosovo takes over serbia, then Kosovo can be yours. :)
I understand Orest reachin' only people who fit into his stands, I'm not sure that croats are so compassionate on Ukr.
Milan go do something that makes you happy
We are. Croats overwhelmingly support Ukraine. I don't know a single person in my social circle who doesn't support Ukraine. But, then again, I'm well educated and successful... So maybe I just don't hang out with the village idiots which we also have here in Croatia.
@@Reulon totally agree 👍 I am Croatian born in Rijeka Hrvatska and all the people I know totally support Ukraine 🇭🇷🇺🇦♥️
You know how many serbs support russia in serbia, the majority but not all of them thankfully, well in croatia even bigger majority supports ukraine and its just cause, but ofc we do have a bunch of retards too, but a very small bunch at that, both the left and right leaning, politically, part of the public opinion supports the people that defend their homeland against the war criminals, and in serbia only some educated and progressive people, but that's your problem.
Croats not only support Ukraine.We are reliving our own war inside our hearts and rooting for Ukraine
Also we will take as much Ukrainian refugees as we can
Orest, you can't compare Ukrania an d Croatia, no offens. Maybe Ukraine is one of the largest producers of grains, and budget heavily depend on it export, but thats it.
Geographiic position of Croatia, with one of the most beutiful coast on the Medditeranean ( Black sea to me is not "the sea" in terms of climate and the geo position for tourisam), with its tourisam,
ranks Croatia far ahead of Ukraine, which Ukraine, with the best economie would never reach.
Zagreb has 850 thousand people live in it not 700 hundred thousand
war in Ukraine is bigger scale and stronger weapons. but in Ukraine war both sides have some military culture. in Croatian war with serbs it is war with animals without any moral or any other values. those are animas ready to do any atrocity !!
Ось чим війна в Україні відрізняється від війни в Хорватії, з моєї точки зору:
Війна в Україні набагато масштабніша в усіх відношеннях, більше жертв, підривників і т.д.
Увесь світ з самого початку допомагав Україні, а нам у Хорватії ввели ембарго на поставки зброї, і те ембарго тривало майже до кінця війни.
Хорватія перемогла четників, а Україна переможе російських нацистів - у цьому я не сумніваюся. Це боротьба України за життя.
Путін-під хотів взяти Київ за три дні - але, як ми бачимо, він може взяти тільки хуй в рот.
Якби в Хорватії не було ембарго на поставки зброї, ми б прибрали сербське сміття не за три дні, а за півдня, скажімо до обіду.
Слава Україні, слава АЗОВУ, героям слава!
Kosovo is Albania 🇦🇱 🇭🇷🇽🇰❤️
🇭🇷 🇺🇦 💪.
slava Ukraini !!!!