EcoFlow Dalta Pro Ultra, personal install and comments.
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- Here is my personal install of the EcoFlow Dalta Pro Ultra, installed, up and running with some off-the-cuff banter on setup, functions, and impressions.
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Nice setup, great job.
I live in the keys, and was considering buying this generator. Trying to learn more about solar.
This would make a VERY nice alternative to a diesel powered APU for a semi truck.
Erick, great video! I appreciate your efforts.
Nice set up! 👍🏿
I wish I knew the Tigos were compatible, I ended up going with APsmart for my rapid shutdown needs
This is awesome, learning about solar and wondering if this is designed specifically for North American markets or can I be bought, shipped and used in somewhere like UK?
Not sure if they have one for the European or other markets because this one is designed at 60 hertz at 120 volts but it does do a split phase on the inverter for 240 but it's still at 60 hertz not the 50 hertz they run but I don't know if they make a unit to do that.
Thank you! I subscribed for more updates on this as you work with it through the years!
I like your setup. Thinking of a worst case scenario where grid goes down for an extended period of time, I would prefer to have my heat pump and central air handler on my smart panel so that it is also backed up by battery and solar. You mentioned there is a 60 Amp maximum every three circuits, and my heat pump has a 40 amp rating (variable speed), it sounds like I could make this work in this scenario. What was the reason you decided to not move over your AC to the smart panel?
Yep should be able to do a 40 amp breaker in the set of three and be just fine but it takes three breaker spots unless the third breaker in their you make very small so that you don't overwhelm the unit.
All the circuits I didn't move including the air conditioner to me are unimportant so I decided not to put them on battery. If the grid goes down and I'm on battery those circuits are not my priority and I could totally live without air conditioning the microwave the oven and the others.
@@erickbostrom4049 Thanks for the quick reply. You must live in a colder climate. I definitely would need the heat pump in the very hot humid summer months where I live. But I think this setup is doable. I will be testing it out in the coming months. Thanks for the great video/info!
Thanks for the video! Basically a tesla powerwall but portable and you can add!
Yes my thoughts exactly, gets rid of Permitting some, gets rid of a lot of the cost, it's modular and can add to it has your budget allows and my biggest perk is it's not a stupid 20 year loan on equipment that will never be worth it.
Did you say that you have all those solar panels arranged in Parallel to keep the Ultra safe? Is that correct? Or did you mean in Series, as the Ultra thats 450v in the HV port and 150v in the LV port. Is the 15amp limit for the Ultra a single battery or the single inverter limit? I hope u didnt misunderstand the system and are at risk. Anyhow, looks like a very nice setup and your well stocked of electric power.
Correct the low voltage side is 150 volt 15 amps and 1600 Watts the high voltage side is 450 volts 15 amps and 4000 Watts Max.
My high voltage panels are 8 475 panels in series and just touch 3800 Watts input as I watch the system at High Noon and stays just under 15 amps as each panel is rated to 11 amps I think so they definitely overproduce which I accounted for and purposefully did not add a panel the numbers say the unit could have held but knowing they overproduce I wanted a safety margin.
Same on the low voltage side they're older panels at 250 W each three are in series and then two sets of three are in parallel bringing my wattage to 1500 W input Max which it kind of does and it does run about 12 amps with them rated at 8.
So as summer comes here I've been watching it carefully and each side is running just under 15 amps right around 12 to 13 and touches 14 amps sometimes the wattage is just about under what's rated so I think I hit my numbers perfectly and I can have about 26 amps coming in when the sun is fully out and I've been watching even on a mostly cloudy day if you can see some of your own shadow I'm still getting a kilowatt and a half too 2 kilowatts coming in.
So yes in the end I left off a panel or two on each side as a safety margin knowing panels generally overproduce and it looks like I hit that perfectly as I watch the numbers I wish I could post a picture in replies but it's been doing right under the max so it's a good safety margin.
Really informative
I want to add this but I have panels with integrated inverters thats grid tied & no bypass switch. I've seen many DIY offgrid systems videos but haven't come across one that addresses my situation.
Yeah everyone is at different stages and everyone has different needs, that's what's nice about all of the different systems out there is it's totally customizable to address your specific requirements this one just happened to fit me at the stage I was at with my history and knowledge of systems.
You should definitely look into turning off your text notifications when recording a video. That was so distracting to the content you were sharing.
absolutely 100% great video, but the txt notifications was distracting during the video when trying to listen to him
Also turn on video stabilisation on the camera
Question. Your DPU is connected to the Smart Panel 2. I noticed your DPU front Outlets are not being used. Can you concurrently(while SP2 is connected) plug in devices to the DPU's front RV 30A port and or the 120v/240v port. ie. heavy watts tools. I guess the 20A ports are a go? You know like keep a coffee pot hot late night while you working in the garage. The happy way___ coffee pot sits on top of the DPU for easy access.
No, that is a disappointment that I discovered on my own and don't remember seeing in the paperwork anywhere as long as the unit is connected to the smart home panel 2 by the AC line that big thick black cord it will not put out on the AC front ports. So if your mobile or whatever and you're not connected to the smart home panel then yes you can turn them on but as long as you're connected to the smart home panel it will not even allow you to turn on the AC front ports.
@@erickbostrom4049 WOW!!!
That means you can't connect 2 DPU's to a EcoFlow Hub to
use its 240v(I guess at30A or 50A). I know on the 2 x AC500 solar generators connected to the Hub you can extract 240v 50A. F I F T Y amp. Which probably can allow one to connect a Huge High Watts Laser Gun. Or charge a Tesla to full in timely manner...
connected to 240v 50Amp.
@larrywong7834 if I want to use those plugs I would just unplug the smart home panel to while I need it but I don't need the Hub to run straight off the unit it'll put out 240 volts are split phase. All I would do is just add a new outlet 50 amps or whatever straight from the sub panel and off I go so no worries there it would be a standard little power outlet box like any other.
@@erickbostrom4049 I was looking at Home Depot's "Ecoflow 50 Amp Hub-Standalone 30 Amp Rise to 50 Amp, Link 2 DELTA Pro Ultra Inverters".
Which accepts the 2 huge cables from 2 DPU. Giving 50A.
I’m about to add the solar to my DPU. Can you help me understand your Tigo optimizers and your rapid shutdown system. Ecoflow had told me that the inverter was not compatible with optimizers. I was going to use a quick disconnect switch.
The tigo rapid shut down and Optimizer simply clip onto the back of your solar panel and you take the outputs of your solar panel to the inputs of the optimizer then it's the outputs of the optimizer are what you connect together as you would the output of the solar panel. In my case I got them simply for the rapid shutdown capability per code and I wanted to view the per panel performance which I love from the Tigo app.
For the optimizers you need the TAP which is the wireless "think of it like an access point" that the optimizers listen to so that when you hit the quick disconnect the CCA "think of this like a control box" gets triggered and broadcasts or actually stops broadcasting the "allow current flow" signal and shuts all the panels down at the panel all the optimizers shut down so that there's no power output of the solar panels for safety.
Wish I could add pictures to a reply.
I just did a quick video with my installed tigo optimizers if you would like to take a peek.
@@erickbostrom4049 thank you.
Nice set up. When deciding to go with EcoFlow what other brands did you cross off the list and why?
I’m thinking of doing the same you did.
I looked at most others like sok batteries and their complete setups and whatnot but to do those types of systems you need an entire shed or a large wall to do all the wiring and all the components where is this is just all nice and compact easily expandable modular lfp batteries for longevity. I knew when I saw it it was the right path for me because I've been down the other roads.
Really nice setup, I hope this system makes its way too the UK market.
Thank you take care
Hi, you say it as if it is powering the whole house, but isnt it only powering the up to 12 breaks on the smart panel?
Correct the panel has 12 Breakers and I used double Breakers in each so I can have 24 circuits on 12 breakers each with a proper breaker as it should be but the way my house was wired I had more circuits that I wanted to have control over then the sub panel allowed for.
But I made darn sure before I moved any breaker that everything running would not make the circuit come even close to its rated amperage and then if I ran two circuits on that one double breaker in the smart panel that both of them combined would not overload what the sub panel is capable of so I took careful numbers before I did that.
So right now I have 22 circuits in the smart panel with a pair sharing one smart breaker position on a double breaker and I left the 12th circuit in the sub panel open for expansion.
I did not move the stove hood light/fan, microwave, SPA, kitchen oven or the 2 AC units. Those 6 circuits are still in the main panel on grid power.
I should mention the 2 furnaces, water heater, cloths dryer and the stove are all gas.
Everything else is moved all bedrooms lights and plugs kitchen lights and plugs living room lights and plugs garage lights and plugs the shed lights and plugs the House Fan the two furnaces all the outside lights and plugs all the bathrooms lights and plugs and fans ceiling fans and all the rooms everything else.
I’m still waiting for a detailed video on wiring that transfer switch lol. They are all either doing a review after the install or a fast forward one without details. I’m assuming it’s a #%][!* to install. Not as simple pre wired like the Reliance?
It is not pre-wired no but literally all you do is dis-connect the hot neutral and ground from your panel, extend the wires with say Wago lever locks and move all three lines to the new panel.
You might not find a lot of that because it should only come from licensed electricians just for liability reasons but it truly is not that hard.
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High or low frequency inverter?
@@jimfields9491 60Hz North America
My brand new house came with a 125 amp panel.with your present system I could power my whole house. i would not need a sub panel and I would just turn off the grid
Technically, you are correct. However, code may say differently.
Personally, I hate grid tie type setups. Selling power back to the grid introduces too much complexity. I prefer an off grid setup with grid assist, which would only require a small rerouting of grid power, no transfer switch, and no sub panels.
At the very least, code may require some certification to indicate no back feed is possible.
I agree wholeheartedly, BIG 0% interest in tying to the grid with all the permitting and needles complexity and unnecessary equipment, I will take those costs and put them into batteries.
How do you power your heavy loads during power outages?
What kinds of heavy loads? The spa is left on grid I have the furnaces which means their Motors are on battery for heat during a power outage and their gas furnaces.
My garage air compressor my miter saws and other table saws and all work fine there's nothing in the garage that doesn't work.
I don't have a well pump or anything like that but if I needed to plug something in all my Outlets are battery backed up so all I have to do is plug it in and if it takes more than that then I can plug into the ultra directly for 240 volt.
@@erickbostrom4049 How about your AC?
@TechnoDad72 I did not connect the AC units, they are on grid still and in an outage situation and on battery they are not a priority to me.
can this setup run essentials plus 1 18,000btu air conditioner inverter?
Of course it can be but the question is should it be? What is the wattage the amp and the spike rating of the unit is what matters for any device to hook to any other device that's powering something.
I am on the fence with this, honestly if it weren't for Tesla charing $5700 for delivery and install of a powerwall, I'd just use Tesla. The problem is this and the Fx3800 come out to just about as much, but with a smaller warranty. So, that sucks.
I agree I was on board with Tesla and about to install and the whole bit until I was thinking well what if I move and I put all that money and effort into installing and permitting and hard wireing, then I went this way where it's all one unit and I can take it with me as the only thing that has to stay with the house would probably be the sub panel because that's where all the hard-lined Housewires go to so I would need to replace that and I would probably leave the solar panels this time even though I took them with me last move, because they'll be more efficient solar panels then, other than that the inverter the batteries everything is mobile and can go with me.
Just my thought process when I was thinking through it but we all are in different situations with different needs.
Looking at a fully off grid setup on a new construction house designed for efficiency. Would you recommend this setup from Ecoflow for whole house off grid? Also does the Ecoflow multi fuel generator connect to this as emergency backup charging (like if your solar panels get covered by two feet of snow after a storm!). I have a basic Delta Max from Ecoflow now for short term essential backup, but for our retirement house we want to go 100 percent off grid. How many batteries would be best for efficient 3 br house do you think?
Hello, I think this would be a great off grid system and I would setup like this:
I would start with 2 Smart Home Panel 2s, as each one only has 12 circuits.
I would run a normal panel to the house and branch off two sub-panel breakers one to each of SHP2s. I would devide up the house circuits, with 1 circuit to each room and maybe seperate out the plugs from the lights, this way I can control each room and each light or plug in the SHP2 and be able to power up or down each depending on battery state "A great feature in the SHP2".
I would seperate / distribute any heavy loads such as AC, Stove, Oven, Furnance, Spa or whatever evenly between the 2 SHP2s, keeping in mind 1 "set of 3 breakers" in the SHP2 maxes out at 60amps as seen here on page 5 websiteoss.ecoflow.com/cms/upload/2024/4/11/EcoFlow%20Smart%20Home%20Panel%202%20Installation%20Guide%20V1.4%20(EN%2BFR)_1712818490838.pdf
I would start with no less than 1 Ultra and 5 batteries, then you can figure out your needs and expand as you see fit and budget, with 2 SHP2 you can add up to 6 ultras as budget allows.
max out solar panels to the East, South and West and feed the Ultras all you can all day you can, east in the morning all the way to sunset in the west, be collecting all day and charge up.
I would not run the ecoflow generator, I would get the tri-fuel from costco and be sure to install the generator plugs that the SHP2 offer as an input source, same link as above page 5, you will see the 50amp GEN input, 30-50amps input @ 240V would make short work of charging the batteries if needed. Compatible generator 120V single phase / 240V split phase (3-12kW) page 3 of the SHP2 manual.
websiteoss.ecoflow.com/cms/upload/2024/4/11/EcoFlow%20Smart%20Home%20Panel%202%20Installation%20Guide%20V1.4%20(EN%2BFR)_1712818490838.pdf
and I would personally put all my electronics and refridgeration on a simple cyberpower UPS just to smooth any fluctuations as power adjusts and switches, even a 20ms switch by the ultra i notice will be just enough to disconnect some of my electronics, so as a buffer I put them on a tiny cyberpower or other UPS just in case... no power spikes or dips allowed :-)
If I were to re-do my house ;-)
@@erickbostrom4049 Thank you for your thoughtful and detailed reply. I like the idea of two smart panels. As this will be a new construction effort and only off grid, I'm thinking of "overkill" as to both battery capacity and solar, but especially battery. Likely two towers with full complement 5 batteries, with each tied to a panel. I understand the upfront costs...but I think we will have the funding, and better to have the battery capacity set up as more than needed. Possibly a small wind turbine as well, and propane backup generator. I don't want to deal with storing gas or diesel at all. Still a few years away and the technology keeps getting better and cheaper. But looking at getting the land, in West Virginia, in the short term and then find a reputable builder with solar know how.
@Rick-hu9vc I think that's an excellent plan, and I would agree with two stacks of five. good luck to you. I hope it all goes well.
The DPU does not work with the DC system of the Dual Fuel Ecoflow - you would be stuck with AC out of the Dual Fuel which is horribly inefficient (I thought about doing this myself but it wouldn’t keep up with the load).
Also, you can squeeze more circuits in there if you use tandem breakers, right? Or is the Smart Control limited to normal size breakers
@atwixtor I have almost every breaker a tandem breaker so that I could get more circuits. Now each one is smart controlled as a single breaker so you would drop two circuits for telling it to turn off the one but that's a negligible side effect I think. If things really got down and I need to conserve power for some reason I can quite easily go turn off half of a breaker for a single part of the tandem. But then I wired everything so that circuits will match up so if I did decide to do one breaker it wouldn't be a big deal to lose the two circuits that I paired together.
Awesome system. If I have an extra $20,000, I will definitely get this system.
Will it handle a 25000btu window air conditioner? 6' Bassboard heater 277/240 volts?
Divide the wattage of the unit to the voltage see what your amperage is and then check the spec sheets would be the best way.
Disclaimer. I have Bluetti AC300 12kwh batteries. I have DPU with 6kwh battery. You have 18khw battery with your DPU.
If you live in California TOU rates for electricity goes up to 83 cents per 1 KWH. In Central Californa under a Solid Patio roofing it can reach 120F many days. You would need to run Air Conditioners most of the Day. You would want Solar to provide energy for that Air Conditioner use all day.
With DPU Solar max a mere 5.6kwh it would be Difficult to keep 3 x dpu Baterries(18khw) topped off till the Sun goes down. Air Conditioner on during the day and part of the night.
Anyone having to pay TOU 83 cents per Kwh would'nt be happy to use Grid Power to fill up 3 x 6000w DPU Baterries daily. Solar Feed is the Important Objective.
Well with this system and the smart home panel to wire your air conditioners to you could have three units for 16.8k of solar input that should do it.
@@erickbostrom4049 Thats $66,000. For 3 DPU Inverters with batteries. Some DIY peoples are getting that much large Solar KW + 12kwh batts
to serve off grid whole home with Air Conditioner at a fraction of that $66,000 cost.
@@erickbostrom4049 With my combo AC300 and DPU I am inputing appx 7kw Solar.
My daily Loads include 2 Air Cond Units, 2 chest freezers, 1 Fridge, Electric Washer, Electric Dryer and most items in our house. Except microwave, stove, ceiling lights. With 7kw solar we can ReCycle most days without grid power. The DPU 6000w battery is usually near FULLY ReCharged by Solar as the Sun nears going down. Our DPU is very valuable because it serves the HIGH Surge items ie., Electric Dryer, Air Conditioner units, etc. As Well we grow plants. seedlings. The DPU serves several greenhouse GrowLights, and Heating matts. The DPU currently has appx 2500w solar panels as Input. In the Future I envision the house microwave(high watts surge) will be added as load for the DPU. My favorite outlet on the DPU is the one thats 120v/240v capable. Currently I have dogbone 4 plug outlet attached to that DPU 240v. Which allows me to plug in multiple high surge 120v devices such as Air Conditioner unit, Electric Dryer,
My EcoFlow Dalta Pro Ultra xt60i solar charging stop charging after a month , and ecoflow customer support warranty is not helping .
unit still sitting there useless . I need power for mobile music video studio .
www.ecoflowpowersystems.com/products/ecoflow-solar-to-xt60-xt60i-charging-cable
$25 usd
@@erickbostrom4049 ecoFlow Delta Pro ultra is not charging solar. Why are you showing me the cable?
7200 W, 1 22 40 more than a regular house for me.Well, let's see what does a rigged house need more than you need.A kitchen store Van oven to get a water heater.They gotta dryer, I mean they got A lot of stuff that's 120 & 220, 240 volts In my normal house has thirteen Thousand two hundred watts of two twenty and two forty thirteen thousand two hundred watts plus all the one twenty so one will not cover two much but two and a half would.
I saw your DPU with 3 Batts. Under 9K. I go to costco all the time. This Tickles me.
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@@erickbostrom4049 was trying to image in such a way that YT Algorithm don't delete my post.
Nice and clean with a much shorter life expectancy and a far poorer surge capacity than an Outback setup. No thanks.
Well has LFP battery same as any other battery so 10 years plus and surge capacity is on par with other systems, 15 amps in with multiple inputs, not hardwired to the house so is totally portable and mobile should you move , instead of needing a solar combiner and a larger overrated inverter and all the extra equipment and wire that goes with it adding unnecessary complexity and cost to handle all of it that just doesn't make sense in the typical residential setup or for me.
@@erickbostrom4049 Yes, The LFP batteries that are used by this unit are on par with the LFP batteries used in other systems but this Ecoflow unit only offers a 200% surge capacity. Outback Power, Magnum Energy, Sigineer Power, Schneider Electric and others offer a 300% surge capacity. The other issue with the Ecoflow inverter is that it doesn't provide any galvanic isolation between its DC boost stage and its AC output. Without an iron core, copper wound output transformer to provide galvanic isolation, during a catastrophic failure of its control circuitry, this inverter has the potential of not only damaging your AC appliances but even setting them on fire. And because high frequency inverters operates at high voltages and very high switching speeds, (in excess of 10,000 times per second), this leads to a much shorter life expectance due to the stress that is placed on the MOSFETs or IGBTs and capacitors.
That big expensive EcoFlow won’t start an RV 120v 13.5kbtu air cond. i returned mine.
Excellent, I can get a bit of a discount on a second one.
It won't? Didn't he say that was a 7.2kw inverter?
Well he gave the btu heat rating but not what it takes to power the unit, you have to buy the right equipment to do the job you seek. it's as simple as that.
@@Eric-qs3lryes huge inverter but doesn’t handle inrush current very well
@@erickbostrom4049Honda 3000 generator rips the compressor up to speed no problem. EcoFlow trips out. Expensive paperweight if it can’t start an aircond
So 18 kilo, what's a batteries? It's gonna take care of 30 kilo. What's a battery that you need in a daytime? And time when there's no sun. And as few feet of snow on the ground and your kitchen stove uses 3600 W of electricity. Your body usually uses 40. And I don't want your electricity. And your furnace, it was as 5600 W of electricity. So at night using 15000 kW of electricity, just running your furnace. Oh, and at night you're also using 4800 W 3 times or should I 6 times during the nighto keep your water warm. That's surely is not enough power?Maybe she go with all $17400 and get all 5 of those batteries.
Actually get you one Generator And five batteries. Or should I tell you?I don't have the grid.I know how much power a house actually uses you do not.
Or do you not got a kitchen ovenstove?Do not have a water heater.Do not have a furnace.Do you not have a dryer.
Thank you for telling me what I do not know about my own setup and consumption. you do you and your INDIVIDUAL setup, maybe this system is not for you! cool go do your own.
This comment might gain some insight from Undecided with Matt Ferrell with his video here:
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These things aren't worth the cost, when you consider the number of alternatives available today for MUCH less and with more features.
What are those alternatives?
@erickbostrom4049 firstly, let's get some facts out of the way. You claim you wanted to 'save money' by DIYing your off grid setup, either because you did not know that professional solar companies do off grid setups as well as grid tie setups, or you just did ZERO research before blindly going with this expensive option. You ALSO mentioned financing through one of the scam solar companies that charge exorbitant prices, many who have been sued countless times and posted all over the news in "buyer beware" segments from national news outlets. You use THAT as your source for comparison without properly researching anything about any other company, apparently.
So: Solar competitor brands that are installed everyday for cheaper than your overpriced one, and even support DIY setups.
EG4
Sungoldpower
Seplos
JK
EVE
Lishen
Catl
Renogy
Growatt
Victron
Midnite Solar
Rich Solar
MPP Solar
Canadian Solar
Trina Solar
Aims Power
Magnum Energy
The list goes on, but you can start there. Here is an example of popular installed systems in which many DIYers regularly do themselves.
Sungoldpower Inverter (6k, 8k, 15k, or multiple inverters in parallel)
Eve, lishen, or Catl cells with a JK, Seplos, or similar BMS (DIY built battery)
Sub panel bought from big box stores for literally less than $100 and meets all building codes in America.
Another specific system which I have Installed myself:
EG4 6000xp with 14kwh EG4 battery...under 5 grand!
EG4 6000xp times 2
20kwh battery
14kw solar
Priced under 14 grand!
Full DIY Install
Dual 8k Sungold Power Inverters
43kwh DIY battery pack
16kwh solar array
Component cost...about 14,000
You spent about 14,000 retail for your Ecoflow kit, not including Solar Panels!!!!
You have ZERO credibility to talk about how anyone else wastes their money!!! You are a victim to advertising and overpriced shit, just as much as the person who signs a 20-year lease or purchase plan on a grid tie solar system.
With the smart home panels, the ecoflow and Anker Solix setups are expensive, but there is nothing that is easier to install that has more features.