An issue I've had with hearthstone lately is that playing a big thing feels really bad, since 9/10 times it feels like your opponent has a way to copy and/or steal your payoff card and reap the benefits for themselves. A card like Shattered Reflections has become the logical extreme of that. I play a Yogg Titan, you reflect it, use your copy to steal mine, have one in your hand to steal my next big drop and have one more in your deck to snuff out any late game value I'm holding on to. Why play a good card in your deck, when I can just play cards that take your win cons. The alternative to that is hand combos to win, but Bliz keeps nerfing those.
This comment right here. Let's take that scenario you made with the yogg and take it a step further. With that possibility we now have games where cards are locked in your hand purely because you don't want your opponent taking it, copying, or just full off remove it. There's always a possibility of that yes but now like you said the possibility is damn near 90% of the time it's happening
so you play a card that can steal an enemy unit and are upset when they use it against you? the yogg titan literally does what you have just complained about
Ah, an even cost manatide totem that also gives armor, just what wild needed. All jokes aside, I do think this miniset will not only break wild in multiple ways, but standard as well. Just looking at a card like Shattered Reflections in druid, or Deepminer Brann gives me a sense of approaching disaster, or déjà vu, if you will.
Chaos creation is awesome lol. Get 6 sludges on bottom of deck and you have 30 damage turn 6. I’m playing it with a few spell damage minions mixed in to see if they make it to that turn… has the spell damage +2 neutral minion survive the turn. Only had 4 sludges on bottom of deck- 6 damage from each was awesome
You are the only Hearthstone creator I watch now. I use to watch Regis until he started pimping hair loss products. So I'm really not surprised that he is streaming the predatory Marvel Snap now. Thanks for the great content and also thanks for keeping your integrity.
I doubt that the shaman excavate will be bad. Zeddy has a wrong understanding which deck will work with excavate. Its of course for an evolve deck. I think a excavate evolve deck can be really strong 😊 but sure the paladin excavate stuff is better but also just busted a. f., for the first time you can give windfury to an paladin minion while "garden grace" (0 mana +5/+5) exists. oh I will hate this mini set meta😢
How do dual class cards in rouge interact with theif synergy stuff? Since the second class isn’t rouge does it count as a card from another class or no?
For me the worst thing in HS right now is mage. Its frustrating having to deal with 3/4 secrets that counter minions in a row, the counterplay is building your deck with cheap minions but any midrange/control deck doesn't want to add those minions in first place. You think you are done with those? Then now you have to solve this 3 secrets that deal 6 to your next summon and 4 counterspells. Most of those secrets either for free or dirt cheap and also mage plays cards that buff/get cheaper with secrets. It's not a fun gameplay, also F warlock and his: burn the top 6 cards from your oponnet deck, no counter play, no nothing, you just lost the control match up because I got you 6 turns early into exhaustion
What if you use crimson expanse in Naga DK and you just play it on turn 4 damage your sharpshooter while you pop off then make another one that is dormant for next turn.
I think you're sleeping on mismatched fossils, especially in like highlander hunter (which, like you said several times in your videos now, you never see on ladder)(i assure you it exists though)
Hey Zeddy, the craziest thing just happened. I came against a bot (7w-1L) in Duels, where they just began getting a mass of passive treasures, the secrets treasure running multiple times, removed ones, one that says the opp must skip their first 2 turns.. And then he uses a 0-cost, 100 attack, 10 durability weapon to hit face. What the hell…
@@ТимофейГречишников-ч9ч It was bizarre, wanted to take a screenshot but I couldnt get it in time due to being on phone and bewildered. I tried taking a screenshot of the name, but apparently it didnt take the names for some bizarre reason. The app then reset cuz I was away for too long. He also had Heavy Metal trigger 3 times, Shadowcasting 101, discs twice..
Hunter only got bad cards apart from the arcane spell. Reno hunter doesn't want to play a 3 mana does nothing card, every turn you either put something or board or kill something, or you lose. The others are all loss of tempo because they value per mana is so low. Imagine topdecking that naga elemental later on?
Feels like this game is predicated to letting toy feel bad for playing value cards because your opponent either blows everything up or now copy and steal you stuff
Yes but also there’s the factor of opportunity cost since you have a set number of bounce cards total to use on all your broken stuff so it has to be worth not bouncing something else
Even if you don't want all of the cards in the miniset, the amount of dust you get for the gold is always worth it. You get 4 garunteed legendaries for 2k gold, compared to 20 packs, which would usually net you 1-2 if at all.
I think people are overrating Finley, In shaman you don't want to excavate and in paladin you just want to murder your opponent with aggro. I don't think you want to bother with excavating there as well.
Honestly sounds like your underestimating Finley. Control paladin is getting the value cards that paladin lacked for midgame because a Lot of the excavate cards now deal damage or put bodies on the board. Shaman definitely didn't get as good of cards but Finley's effect is still really strong, plus with all the damaging excavate rewards, shaman could potentially have a genuine control deck, possibly with the elemental package. when you have depleted your opponent, you can play the evolve card to overwhelm your opponent. I can definitely see excavate in general being very popular for a couple of months
I agree that Finly is slightly overrated. I personally would have put him in A. I think he does get run in Excavate Paladin just as an easy answer to taunts and mirror matches but I don't think he will be that powerful.
Something happend while me and my couson were playing hearthstone the other day. He suddenly got the option to tuse from 5 new decs one of which was the forged fiends warlock dec which I really want. I didn't get the same option however it was just the same as it always is when I open the game. Anyone else experienced this? if you have plese let me know how to fix it and get this dec. I've also noticed that loads of people are playing as this dec in ranked and I really want this dec. Surely so many people couldn't have got this dec by crafting it so what's going on
Why does Team 5 hate mage so much? They got garbage, and this seems to be a recurring theme. Mages got murdered in Wild and now Deepholm is trash, no to mention the expansion itself was mostly trash too.
This mini set was so poorly designed. Unbalanced trash, MORE over the top broken highlander crap, and mage got nothing but dogshit cards that made the class even weaker.
An issue I've had with hearthstone lately is that playing a big thing feels really bad, since 9/10 times it feels like your opponent has a way to copy and/or steal your payoff card and reap the benefits for themselves. A card like Shattered Reflections has become the logical extreme of that. I play a Yogg Titan, you reflect it, use your copy to steal mine, have one in your hand to steal my next big drop and have one more in your deck to snuff out any late game value I'm holding on to.
Why play a good card in your deck, when I can just play cards that take your win cons. The alternative to that is hand combos to win, but Bliz keeps nerfing those.
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This comment right here. Let's take that scenario you made with the yogg and take it a step further. With that possibility we now have games where cards are locked in your hand purely because you don't want your opponent taking it, copying, or just full off remove it. There's always a possibility of that yes but now like you said the possibility is damn near 90% of the time it's happening
That's why I like snap. When you play a big card you RIP
so you play a card that can steal an enemy unit and are upset when they use it against you? the yogg titan literally does what you have just complained about
Theotar is worse, they always get my 10 mana Ignis weapon or Odyn even if I have 9 cards in hand. Fuck theotar can’t wait for it to rotate.
Ah, an even cost manatide totem that also gives armor, just what wild needed. All jokes aside, I do think this miniset will not only break wild in multiple ways, but standard as well. Just looking at a card like Shattered Reflections in druid, or Deepminer Brann gives me a sense of approaching disaster, or déjà vu, if you will.
And as usual, Druid and Paladin take the crown with the new cards that come out…
I have a question. If you get the golden miniset and then the standard miniset, does it have you reroll your legendaries??
Chaos creation is awesome lol. Get 6 sludges on bottom of deck and you have 30 damage turn 6. I’m playing it with a few spell damage minions mixed in to see if they make it to that turn… has the spell damage +2 neutral minion survive the turn. Only had 4 sludges on bottom of deck- 6 damage from each was awesome
Agreed Elementium Geode is looking sharp, appreciate the update Zeddy!
You are the only Hearthstone creator I watch now. I use to watch Regis until he started pimping hair loss products. So I'm really not surprised that he is streaming the predatory Marvel Snap now.
Thanks for the great content and also thanks for keeping your integrity.
I doubt that the shaman excavate will be bad. Zeddy has a wrong understanding which deck will work with excavate.
Its of course for an evolve deck.
I think a excavate evolve deck can be really strong 😊
but sure the paladin excavate stuff is better but also just busted a. f., for the first time you can give windfury to an paladin minion while "garden grace" (0 mana +5/+5) exists.
oh I will hate this mini set meta😢
How do dual class cards in rouge interact with theif synergy stuff? Since the second class isn’t rouge does it count as a card from another class or no?
For me the worst thing in HS right now is mage. Its frustrating having to deal with 3/4 secrets that counter minions in a row, the counterplay is building your deck with cheap minions but any midrange/control deck doesn't want to add those minions in first place. You think you are done with those? Then now you have to solve this 3 secrets that deal 6 to your next summon and 4 counterspells. Most of those secrets either for free or dirt cheap and also mage plays cards that buff/get cheaper with secrets. It's not a fun gameplay, also F warlock and his: burn the top 6 cards from your oponnet deck, no counter play, no nothing, you just lost the control match up because I got you 6 turns early into exhaustion
Is it easy to trigger finale with guff and 20 mana in wild?
Druid can do so many broken combo with 20. The Trogg is completely unplayable.
@@locogato3488 I know that is better stuff, but seems kinda impossible to spend exactly 20 mana to trigger finale.
@@LuizMoratelli It probaly is, and its not worth it when Astalor exists.
Is Summoning Ward for your board or board AND hand? 🤔
Mining casualties got S tier but not Brann?
What if you use crimson expanse in Naga DK and you just play it on turn 4 damage your sharpshooter while you pop off then make another one that is dormant for next turn.
thanks for all the content, Zed
I think you're sleeping on mismatched fossils, especially in like highlander hunter (which, like you said several times in your videos now, you never see on ladder)(i assure you it exists though)
It’s a boring deck where you play 1 on 1, 2 on 2, 3 on 3, 4 on 4, that’s why nobody talks about it
Boring, but effective, therefore its cards shouldnt be considered d tier
one of those mage companions should be " your secrets costs 2 less or 1" and " your hero power does 2 more damage "
Hey Zeddy, the craziest thing just happened. I came against a bot (7w-1L) in Duels, where they just began getting a mass of passive treasures, the secrets treasure running multiple times, removed ones, one that says the opp must skip their first 2 turns.. And then he uses a 0-cost, 100 attack, 10 durability weapon to hit face. What the hell…
WTF? He had discs? Can you describe this madness a bit more?
@@ТимофейГречишников-ч9ч It was bizarre, wanted to take a screenshot but I couldnt get it in time due to being on phone and bewildered. I tried taking a screenshot of the name, but apparently it didnt take the names for some bizarre reason. The app then reset cuz I was away for too long.
He also had Heavy Metal trigger 3 times, Shadowcasting 101, discs twice..
I want to see a Guff/2xTrogg Tosser otk deck
Hunter only got bad cards apart from the arcane spell. Reno hunter doesn't want to play a 3 mana does nothing card, every turn you either put something or board or kill something, or you lose. The others are all loss of tempo because they value per mana is so low. Imagine topdecking that naga elemental later on?
The Prosthetic Hand + X21 Repairbot is hilarious synergy, though sadly not really viable
Nice videos man❤❤❤
Bros sleeping on brann. This card cant be bad. Only really strong
The stupid shrooms card should be S because they'll just follow it up with gardens grace
I think you should do these tier lists after an expansion so the tier list actually resembles the cards' true power
but this way its more fun :D
why not both ?
1 as prediction, and 2 weeks in with meta-based data , then compare them .
He does these before the expansion and then does a retropsective a couple days/a week after the expansion
Feels like this game is predicated to letting toy feel bad for playing value cards because your opponent either blows everything up or now copy and steal you stuff
All rogue cards should be SSS+ because of Shadowstep, bc its effect is always count like x3 or even x5 with breakdance
Yes but also there’s the factor of opportunity cost since you have a set number of bounce cards total to use on all your broken stuff so it has to be worth not bouncing something else
Disagree with Tier A and S but great work man
MOAR tier lists
thank you for this guide
Excited for a new meta !
Shroomscavate costs 0 mana if you have Golganneth in shaman. That gives Golganeth protection + lets him use 2 abilites a turn.
love how class identity is forgotten now
Reno even warrior is crazy fun in wild😜
Is buying mini set worth it?
Golden mini set is awesome, you get like 2 decks worth of dust for 10k.
Even if you don't want all of the cards in the miniset, the amount of dust you get for the gold is always worth it. You get 4 garunteed legendaries for 2k gold, compared to 20 packs, which would usually net you 1-2 if at all.
Why didn't some claases not get legendary cards?
I wonder if these devs like playing druid...
Seriously underestimating gyreworm. It's 5 damage that can go face and also activates ignis
I think people are overrating Finley, In shaman you don't want to excavate and in paladin you just want to murder your opponent with aggro. I don't think you want to bother with excavating there as well.
excavate is nice in HL paladin! more value which it lacked sometimes
Pure paladin gets more late game value, two of the windfury card fits the condition itself.
Honestly sounds like your underestimating Finley. Control paladin is getting the value cards that paladin lacked for midgame because a Lot of the excavate cards now deal damage or put bodies on the board.
Shaman definitely didn't get as good of cards but Finley's effect is still really strong, plus with all the damaging excavate rewards, shaman could potentially have a genuine control deck, possibly with the elemental package. when you have depleted your opponent, you can play the evolve card to overwhelm your opponent.
I can definitely see excavate in general being very popular for a couple of months
I agree that Finly is slightly overrated. I personally would have put him in A. I think he does get run in Excavate Paladin just as an easy answer to taunts and mirror matches but I don't think he will be that powerful.
I'm sure I'll hate the 2 mana totem in 4 months when the bots finally pick it up
Why not all mini set cards?
Something happend while me and my couson were playing hearthstone the other day. He suddenly got the option to tuse from 5 new decs one of which was the forged fiends warlock dec which I really want. I didn't get the same option however it was just the same as it always is when I open the game. Anyone else experienced this? if you have plese let me know how to fix it and get this dec. I've also noticed that loads of people are playing as this dec in ranked and I really want this dec. Surely so many people couldn't have got this dec by crafting it so what's going on
Welp time to build another toxic warrior and paladin deck
13:00 4/6* not 3/6
imagine that 1 mana hunter spell highroll in sif mage)
Why does Team 5 hate mage so much? They got garbage, and this seems to be a recurring theme.
Mages got murdered in Wild and now Deepholm is trash, no to mention the expansion itself was mostly trash too.
The highlander cards are underwhelming at least why are they not neutrals
so i guess we all just call death knight demon hunter by accident all the time
They need to stop with this "for the rest of the game" nonsense. It's stupid af, and gets broken way too easily. Especially with a power like brann
Elemental highlander hunter here i come 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
This mini set was so poorly designed. Unbalanced trash, MORE over the top broken highlander crap, and mage got nothing but dogshit cards that made the class even weaker.
I hate that it says “return” 🙄
Chaos creation speeds up the warlock 30/30
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