Wow, I didn't know they dip the car in primer!! very smart way to protect the metal and cover all areas from rust. Also I noticed how thin is the clear coat application is compared to how manually it will be done (2 coats)and I could see a lot of potential orange peel.
BAC Just imagine when they start designing their own code, designing their own cars/hardware and running the factory with not a single person inside the factory or behind the wheel when it’s done. Lol
@@JB-yb4wn Wishful thinking. We have made money supreme. We are willing to destroy the entire earth for just a little bit more money... Just a little more. It's never enough. Have 80 billion but Juuuuust another million wouldn’t hurt.
@@The_Primary_Axiom Well you can sink into your dystopian society, I would rather think long before that those responsible would have been already put up against the wall to show them the error of their ways.
That didn’t answer his question at all. No, the orange peel does not “settle” or otherwise change once the paint is dry to the touch. It has to be sanded and polished out. Some higher quality manufacturers do that, most do not.
This is excellent, although I couldn't help but notice how they skimped out on both the paint and the clearcoat. Every year, manufacturers are putting less and less paint on the cars. Same goes with the clearcoat. A friend of mine confirmed this. He's been professionally detailing cars for 40 years and he's unbiased. BMW is no exception to this either.
Keep in mind that paint technology is continously evolving and improving. You don't necessarily need the same thickness for the same performance as you did years ago. But of course, some of it is due to cost reduction.
All one has to do is look at how nobody’s paint lasts more than about 10-12 years on most cars today to confirm that yes, ALL the big manufacturers are skimping on paint big time compared to how they used to. You can make them last longer with above average care (hand washing, waxing, etc) and parking habits (ie garage, not under trees, etc), but the average car owner who doesn’t wax their car and takes it through drive through car washes and parks outside will be lucky to get much more than 10-12 years out of modern paint. And that is abysmal considering how much paint has improved. But for every improvement, the OEMs just use that as an excuse to skimp a little more. That’s how the game is played.
They have a better surface to coat. You miss the beginning steps that give them the good surface, so you have to sand. The same is true for body shops and detailing shops.
@@northbicycles7810 Each material has a topcoat window that allows a chemical bond. If you miss the top coat window, then you must sand to make a mechanical bond. For example, I work with an PPG epoxy primer that has a 72 hour topcoat window.
Correct. As long as you are within the recoat window, anything you spray on top will stick well. I have no idea what BMW is using here, but just about every decent or better primer I’ve ever come across has a 24 hour or longer recoat window. Plenty of time to go from primer dip to the next step.
They aren't showing every step. A modern vehicle goes through a wash and etch bath ('pickling"), then several subsequent baths which apply a zinc/mixed-metal phosphate conversion coating to the steel (anti corrosion). finally, it goes in to a bath called an "Ecoat" tank (the white opaque one) -- this is a "base layer" of paint which has anticorrosive properties and provides and adhesive base for the decorative coatings applied later. Interestingly, the rolling of the car through the bath is programmed to correlate to holes drilled strategically in the body ensure paint gets on every interior recessed surface. Then, 100-200V is applied to the car body to get the paint to "stick" to the surface, then goes in a 140C oven to cure. This is all manufacturer and paint supplier dependent, but that mostly covers it.
So fricken cool. It is a wonder why European cars always will and always have had better paint jobs than any other car maker in the world..my older BMW only has like a couple rust spots like I'm the grill and quarter panel and that is it. Much better than other cars I had where the were completely rotting from underneath to everywhere around the car even having clear coat on my first car which was a Chevy completely chip off
+Austen tatious dude literally every auto maker has paint shops resembling this. Every auto plant has robotic paint applicators with electrostatic charge. Only the super high end sports cars like Lamborghini spray by hand.
I must say that it's pretty amazing how the bots can be programmed to paint one model of a car and has to be reprogrammed for another model and so on. However, I also gotta say that machines takes jobs away from humans trying to make a living. The ups & downs in the battle of Humans vs Robots.
The same people who complain about losing jobs to robots are probably also the first to talk about how new car build quality is so much better than it was in decades past. Gee, I wonder why that is??
All that technology and at the end of it you still get a fair amount of orange peeled finish that needs the human touch to fix and make into the proper mirrored surface. Sorry, I am just not that impressed given how much money has been spent to achieve what is ultimately a second rate finish. I would have to have that finish corrected. Sand down the orange peel and polish it to a show car grade finish.
This doesn't show the full process. There's still so much that goes into it after it leaves the shop. I work at the plant, and once that stage is done, it's rolls down through cavity wax where wax is shot into any holes to keep it from rusting, and then it's moved on to the buffers, then checked one more time to make sure it's completely smooth.
If you go to a car dealership and look at new cars, no matter how expensive it is still orange peel. All our hand sanding and polishing techniques are out the window nowadays. We have to go back to school to learn to paint bad. Maybe at Ferrari or Rolls Royce they still work to get the orange peel out.
DTM1864 I've not noticed any orange peel on my Mazda 2. However, my $70,000 BMW Z4 was covered with it. Not sure why BMW (and other manufacturers?) can't figure this out.
Only a few educated people are going to notice orange peel. People keep buying shit they will keep selling it. There's almost nobody out there who is going to refuse to buy a car because of orange peel. Though I will check out the Mazda paint job next time I'm near one.
Urethane paints, especially clear coat, are naturally lumpy, the darker the color, the easier it is to see, orange peel is usually a dry spray, caused by having too much air pressure, gun not set up properly or spraying to fast across the panel. the trick how to minimize the lumpy look is too apply the clear till it just about to run..., took me a long time for me to master that technique
Makes sense. What about when you get a car in that needs just it's fender painted. How are you gonna match the orange peel of the rest of the car if your painting technique leads you to a smooth finish? This is the dilemma.
What? It’s amazing that cars cost so LITTLE.. the automation is why you can buy a MUCH more advanced car today for the same adjusted for inflation price as you could in decades past.
That paint has not been cured out yet. You are thinking like the little old body shop down the road. This is an OEM application which is not shown in it's entirety.
No, jobs just change over time. Evolve, adapt to the times. If your lifetime aspiration is to be an assembly line painter, boy you have weak goals in life.
they open and close doors trunks and hoods......thats the coolest thing ever
I was thinking that haha
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I can't get over how the damn robots opened the doors hood and trunk lid cool as hell.
Wow, I didn't know they dip the car in primer!! very smart way to protect the metal and cover all areas from rust. Also I noticed how thin is the clear coat application is compared to how manually it will be done (2 coats)and I could see a lot of potential orange peel.
Factory clear is super thin. A good paint shop will give you a thicker coat with being uv protection
It's cool isn't it in terms of getting everywhere for corrosion protection
FYI, it's electrocoat that it's being dipped in, not a primer.
11 years later and my paint still looks brand new. Love my 640i
The robots opening the car door for each other is chilling. I bet they've got a company BMW.
I'm amazed on how the robots move and do everything
I’m more amazed of the people who made the robots
Why are you not amazed about how God created the human body, all animals, plants, planets, universe etc. Why westerners are not interested in God?
@@eamjaey9794 what about the maker of the people who made the robots?
@@Crazytesseract the fact that the robots wouldn’t exist without human engineers tf you mean what does he mean
As a PLC tech, The amount of programming that went into this automation just boggles my mind.
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BAC Just imagine when they start designing their own code, designing their own cars/hardware and running the factory with not a single person inside the factory or behind the wheel when it’s done. Lol
@@The_Primary_Axiom
Then maybe governments will be forced to consider universal basic income with jobs being automated out of existence.
@@JB-yb4wn Wishful thinking. We have made money supreme. We are willing to destroy the entire earth for just a little bit more money... Just a little more. It's never enough. Have 80 billion but Juuuuust another million wouldn’t hurt.
@@The_Primary_Axiom
Well you can sink into your dystopian society, I would rather think long before that those responsible would have been already put up against the wall to show them the error of their ways.
Seeing a car that's so fun to drive, being that clean and perfect, is the ultimate case of wanting your cake and eating it too.
The cool thing about these robots; they don't bitch at work.
They do if you do not take care of them trust me.
Man this looks so quick compared to doing it your self! :/
Wow, looking at the actual color basecoat application I can see why BMW always has such bad orange peel
What were the machines doing after 4:30 min I don’t understand it’s been clear coated already
The second one (4:48) is used to measure color, and I believe the first one is checking the thickness of the applied layers.
Isn't it a 525li??
Does that orange peel which is apparent at the end "settle" once the paint dries properly?
The paint is dried in an oven. Euro environmental rules very strict, water based paints to meet voc standards
That didn’t answer his question at all. No, the orange peel does not “settle” or otherwise change once the paint is dry to the touch. It has to be sanded and polished out. Some higher quality manufacturers do that, most do not.
This is excellent, although I couldn't help but notice how they skimped out on both the paint and the clearcoat. Every year, manufacturers are putting less and less paint on the cars. Same goes with the clearcoat. A friend of mine confirmed this. He's been professionally detailing cars for 40 years and he's unbiased. BMW is no exception to this either.
Omg. Next they’re going to be bald!
Wait what are you saying, if they skipped out on both paint and clear coat what do they apply on the car?
@@Element21VA “skimp” means that they intentionally apply very little. Its not the same as “skip”
Keep in mind that paint technology is continously evolving and improving. You don't necessarily need the same thickness for the same performance as you did years ago. But of course, some of it is due to cost reduction.
All one has to do is look at how nobody’s paint lasts more than about 10-12 years on most cars today to confirm that yes, ALL the big manufacturers are skimping on paint big time compared to how they used to. You can make them last longer with above average care (hand washing, waxing, etc) and parking habits (ie garage, not under trees, etc), but the average car owner who doesn’t wax their car and takes it through drive through car washes and parks outside will be lucky to get much more than 10-12 years out of modern paint. And that is abysmal considering how much paint has improved. But for every improvement, the OEMs just use that as an excuse to skimp a little more. That’s how the game is played.
Perfect paint job every single time.
It is pretty impressive
But it got peeled after you bought the BMIv
wow... when i paint and clear coat, i also must wet sand and polish. why dont manufacturers need to wet sand and polish to get excellent results?
They have a better surface to coat. You miss the beginning steps that give them the good surface, so you have to sand. The same is true for body shops and detailing shops.
I get a better finish with spray cans.
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holy hell. how do I get my hands on one of those spray guns?
About $20-$30 million should do it
It would be awesome to run a car through
@@TheDude613 Automation is expensive
Bimmer Times yes but it’s worth it. I’d much rather watch this than someone in a booth with only one 1 gun.
@@TheDude613 then don’t
1:15 I imagine that I'm the car and am entering a Jacuzzi 😌 ahhh
How are they able to take the car right from priming to the base coat without sanding?
Agree without sanding how can paint stick ?
@@northbicycles7810 Each material has a topcoat window that allows a chemical bond. If you miss the top coat window, then you must sand to make a mechanical bond. For example, I work with an PPG epoxy primer that has a 72 hour topcoat window.
Correct. As long as you are within the recoat window, anything you spray on top will stick well. I have no idea what BMW is using here, but just about every decent or better primer I’ve ever come across has a 24 hour or longer recoat window. Plenty of time to go from primer dip to the next step.
I don't mind having one of these robot paint my car
this is a 5 seriies
Ok , They do nice paint now if they could just make a window regulator for the 3 series that didn't brake when you open the window twice!!
so the dipping stage is just the primer?
its the washing part to remove dirt and stuff
the first one is washing part
Washing and e-coat priming.
@@doinstuff1122 without sanding how paint is possible from prime to finished ?
Amazing ❤
can someone pls explain what all these liquids are that its being dipped in?
In simple terms, rust repellent liquid
They aren't showing every step. A modern vehicle goes through a wash and etch bath ('pickling"), then several subsequent baths which apply a zinc/mixed-metal phosphate conversion coating to the steel (anti corrosion). finally, it goes in to a bath called an "Ecoat" tank (the white opaque one) -- this is a "base layer" of paint which has anticorrosive properties and provides and adhesive base for the decorative coatings applied later. Interestingly, the rolling of the car through the bath is programmed to correlate to holes drilled strategically in the body ensure paint gets on every interior recessed surface. Then, 100-200V is applied to the car body to get the paint to "stick" to the surface, then goes in a 140C oven to cure. This is all manufacturer and paint supplier dependent, but that mostly covers it.
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Amazing what money can do.
They paint 1700 cars a day in Greer SC!
starei a guardare per 1 giorno intero... le auto sono opere d'arte per me. Bmw e simili soprattutto.
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fantastic, like the way they do .
I can try this at home
And i cant even get a text back 😒😔
Id like to see a wet sanding process with these machines lol
Imagine that... I could used even a subscale robotic sander.
Crazy how they dipped the car at first. Like if they were hot wheels
Looks like a Gran Coupe.
Unreal!
It is 5 series
So fricken cool. It is a wonder why European cars always will and always have had better paint jobs than any other car maker in the world..my older BMW only has like a couple rust spots like I'm the grill and quarter panel and that is it. Much better than other cars I had where the were completely rotting from underneath to everywhere around the car even having clear coat on my first car which was a Chevy completely chip off
+Austen tatious dude literally every auto maker has paint shops resembling this. Every auto plant has robotic paint applicators with electrostatic charge. Only the super high end sports cars like Lamborghini spray by hand.
Thank you for the upload
Mr. Ford would crap his pants if he could uld see this.
Look at all that orange peel
4:57 Nice orange peels
Tons of orange peel
4:59 a lot of orange peel.
surprisingly most modern BMW have lots of orange peel
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I must say that it's pretty amazing how the bots can be programmed to paint one model of a car and has to be reprogrammed for another model and so on. However, I also gotta say that machines takes jobs away from humans trying to make a living. The ups & downs in the battle of Humans vs Robots.
The same people who complain about losing jobs to robots are probably also the first to talk about how new car build quality is so much better than it was in decades past. Gee, I wonder why that is??
Why are the machines wearing clothes?
It protects them from paintdust, if there is a lot of paintdust in their mechanism, they could probably get stuck
Um to cover their privates
Looked like excessive orange peel
That's cool
So so so much orange peel in the lacquer! Better get the P2000 And Mop out lol.
Lacquer? Are you kidding?
That's not lacquer nobody has used lacquer since the 70s that's urethane enamel
orange peel central
paint has not been cured yet, needs to go into the oven. It's not air dry paint like over at maaco!
And then come along the humans who touch it, mawl it, bang it, whack it, scratch it, crack it, smash it. An eventually melt it...
All that technology and at the end of it you still get a fair amount of orange peeled finish that needs the human touch to fix and make into the proper mirrored surface. Sorry, I am just not that impressed given how much money has been spent to achieve what is ultimately a second rate finish. I would have to have that finish corrected. Sand down the orange peel and polish it to a show car grade finish.
This doesn't show the full process. There's still so much that goes into it after it leaves the shop. I work at the plant, and once that stage is done, it's rolls down through cavity wax where wax is shot into any holes to keep it from rusting, and then it's moved on to the buffers, then checked one more time to make sure it's completely smooth.
79th Productions I wish I could believe you but the amount of bmws out in the street with that orange peel finish is calling you a liar. lol
how about they come up with robot who can sand all that crap off and buff after, thats a video I would like to see
That finish is prior to curing, this is an OEM operation, not the local body shop!
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They skipped all of the human work that’s what I came to see
Did somane see the orange skin that is on clear coat?? :))
no f..king robot chan do the job like a pearson on body paint.
If you go to a car dealership and look at new cars, no matter how expensive it is still orange peel. All our hand sanding and polishing techniques are out the window nowadays. We have to go back to school to learn to paint bad. Maybe at Ferrari or Rolls Royce they still work to get the orange peel out.
DTM1864 I've not noticed any orange peel on my Mazda 2. However, my $70,000 BMW Z4 was covered with it. Not sure why BMW (and other manufacturers?) can't figure this out.
Only a few educated people are going to notice orange peel. People keep buying shit they will keep selling it. There's almost nobody out there who is going to refuse to buy a car because of orange peel. Though I will check out the Mazda paint job next time I'm near one.
Urethane paints, especially clear coat, are naturally lumpy, the darker the color, the easier it is to see, orange peel is usually a dry spray, caused by having too much air pressure, gun not set up properly or spraying to fast across the panel. the trick how to minimize the lumpy look is too apply the clear till it just about to run..., took me a long time for me to master that technique
Makes sense. What about when you get a car in that needs just it's fender painted. How are you gonna match the orange peel of the rest of the car if your painting technique leads you to a smooth finish? This is the dilemma.
So freaking cool but my 2010 Honda Civic has way less orange peel than this car.
Josh Aden I own a 98 Honda Civic, and a 98 BMW E36. My dad has a E61. And my Honda has also way less orange peel than the BMWs.
Josh Aden Ever see the paint job on high end Mercedes? Orange peel galore!
No but your civics clear is probably peeling worse than an albino after spring break
whos mouth was wide open the entire time
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Roberts are doing amazing job 👏 but the sad part is they have eaten the job of human beings but again those Robert were made by humans only 😂
It’s only the beginning
Orange peel
Amazing that cars cost so much. Automation Scam
@The Joker stfu
What? It’s amazing that cars cost so LITTLE.. the automation is why you can buy a MUCH more advanced car today for the same adjusted for inflation price as you could in decades past.
orange peel everywhere
That paint has not been cured out yet. You are thinking like the little old body shop down the road. This is an OEM application which is not shown in it's entirety.
too bad their money pits within a year after the warrenty expires.
And this is how you lose your job opportunities lol
Some argue that people are needed to design, program, and maintain the robots...
Bimmer Times truth Story ! Better go collage kids and study for programing
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No, jobs just change over time. Evolve, adapt to the times. If your lifetime aspiration is to be an assembly line painter, boy you have weak goals in life.
This is why people don’t have jobs